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(Philly.com)   Philadelphia passes gun laws in clear violation of state pre-emption. NRA files suit. City challenges NRA's standing. Police chief will enforce new laws. But the DA will not prosecute anyone charged. Welcome to Philly   (philly.com) divider line 393
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2008-04-30 05:03:43 PM  
Good for the DA!

Its unfortunate that Philadelphia chose to take this path...
 
2008-04-30 05:22:38 PM  
Too bad for the rest of the country this happened after the PA primary.

Imagine the size of the bowl of popcorn one would need to watch that hilarity ensue.
 
2008-04-30 05:27:20 PM  
I was told there would be no math...
 
2008-04-30 05:33:08 PM  
twofeetcia: Too bad for the rest of the country this happened after the PA primary.

Imagine the size of the bowl of popcorn one would need to watch that hilarity ensue.




Yeah it would be interesting to see all of the candidates try to explain how they are "pro second amendment" and then try to take a side here!!!
 
2008-04-30 05:40:01 PM  
Cause I will get killed by that 11th(12th) round.

I have never understood mag limit laws. You would be just as dead shot from a single shot rifle, deader probably.
 
2008-04-30 05:42:06 PM  
Who put what in the where now?
 
2008-04-30 05:48:55 PM  
baka-san: Cause I will get killed by that 11th(12th) round.

I have never understood mag limit laws. You would be just as dead shot from a single shot rifle, deader probably.




Yeah I dont get it either... it the first few rounds are all that is usually needed...
 
2008-04-30 05:51:48 PM  
Nothing will change as long as you can go to a gun show and walk out with a concealed weapon.
 
2008-04-30 05:51:58 PM  
Philadelphia inspires such fear in me that I will break the mag limit just because I'm going there:
I normally carry a 10-round Glock 29, but I will pack its big brother G20 -- and several spare 15-round mags -- when I attend a college graduation there in a few weeks.
 
2008-04-30 05:54:11 PM  
Clip size laws target gang bangers. They can spray down a street pretty well with just two guys and 17 rounds each, before reloading. Then they get caught with the clip, which adds to their sentence.
 
2008-04-30 05:55:34 PM  
Don't Tase Me Bro

Where are you going, north Philly? Temple?
 
2008-04-30 06:02:50 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: Clip size laws target gang bangers. They can spray down a street pretty well with just two guys and 17 rounds each, before reloading. Then they get caught with the clip, which adds to their sentence.


I think it playing to the lowest common denominator though... why sacrifice my ability to own a hi cap mag simply because a few out there will use them illegally?

What we really need to do is enforce the laws we already have on the books. I always wonder how many repeat offenders we have walking around in public that were released early.

We remove the consequences, we remove the leverage against those willing to commit the crime!!!
 
2008-04-30 06:09:47 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: Don't Tase Me Bro
Where are you going, north Philly? Temple?


Bingo.
 
2008-04-30 06:11:35 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: Nothing will change as long as you can go to a gun show and walk out with a concealed weapon.

You can't... not legally, anyway, unless you already have a CCW permit.
I can, though.
 
2008-04-30 06:12:03 PM  
SlappyKincaid:
What we really need to do is enforce the laws we already have on the books.



very much so. Especially straw buyers and the small % of dealers who give the rest of them a bad name.
 
2008-04-30 06:13:36 PM  
Don't Tase Me Bro: Marcus Aurelius: Don't Tase Me Bro
Where are you going, north Philly? Temple?

Bingo.


Heh, you're serious aren't you? I assure you, there will be no drive-by shootings or gangland violence during Temple's Grad ceremony. There will be upwards of 5000 people milling around, and Temple's Police Department 4 on every corner in a 4 block radius around the Liacouras Center. I'd be more worried about the cars trying to parallel park without running you over.

That is unless Cosby packs his AK. In which case, good luck and godspeed.
 
2008-04-30 06:13:51 PM  
Don't Tase Me Bro: Marcus Aurelius: Nothing will change as long as you can go to a gun show and walk out with a concealed weapon.

You can't... not legally, anyway, unless you already have a CCW permit.
I can, though.


Furthermore, as someone who has purchased several guns at a shows, when you buy a gun from a vendor at one, they fill out the same paperwork and do the same background check on you that they do when you go into a retail store.
 
2008-04-30 06:13:55 PM  
Don't Tase Me Bro: Philadelphia inspires such fear in me that I will break the mag limit just because I'm going there:
I normally carry a 10-round Glock 29, but I will pack its big brother G20 -- and several spare 15-round mags -- when I attend a college graduation there in a few weeks.


Ah, a fellow 10mm enthusiast. Isn't the 29 a blast?

I mean, literally. At the range I take out this seemingly normal Glock pistol which blasts a three foot flame thus scaring the shiat out of the pop pop pop 9mm guys in the adjacent lanes.

Anyway, I used to carry in Philly, but don't anymore because I just get in and get out when I have business there, and keep it to the daylight hours near the hospitals.
 
2008-04-30 06:13:56 PM  
Further complicating matters, Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey had vowed to enforce the local laws before the restraining order but District Attorney Lynne Abraham said she would not prosecute anyone arrested for violating them.


there isn't a facepalm graphic big enough to cover philly politics.
 
2008-04-30 06:14:51 PM  
Don't Tase Me Bro

I'd use the on-site parking garage, no matter the cost, it'll be worth it.
 
2008-04-30 06:21:31 PM  
Weaver95: Further complicating matters, Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey had vowed to enforce the local laws before the restraining order but District Attorney Lynne Abraham said she would not prosecute anyone arrested for violating them.

there isn't a facepalm graphic big enough to cover philly politics.


Also, this!

I should mention, I support the 2nd Amendment, but the idea of a bunch of armed suburbanites storming North Philly in minivans is cracking me up.

/Temple Grad, living off-campus for years
//never had a problem with the locals, only shooting incident in my 4 years there was some dumb student shooting another student in the ass on the front steps of White Hall
///Is carrying a gun onto school property against the law? Who knows in Philly!
 
2008-04-30 06:22:43 PM  
Tastes Like Chicken: /Temple Grad, living off-campus for years

D'oh. That should be "Lived off-campus for years." I gradgimitated a while ago.
 
2008-04-30 06:23:00 PM  
Weaps:Ah, a fellow 10mm enthusiast. Isn't the 29 a blast?
I mean, literally. At the range I take out this seemingly normal Glock pistol which blasts a three foot flame thus scaring the shiat out of the pop pop pop 9mm guys in the adjacent lanes.


I carry 10mm because I don't want to be sued.
I was just at the range Sunday with both Glox, shooting DoubleTap FMJ practice ammo. At least five or six times, between magazines, I distinctly heard people asking "What the fark is he shooting?"

Anyway, I used to carry in Philly, but don't anymore because I just get in and get out when I have business there, and keep it to the daylight hours near the hospitals.

I figure I'll be stuck there through the ceremony, and probably for lunch as well.
 
2008-04-30 06:28:34 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: I'd use the on-site parking garage, no matter the cost, it'll be worth it.

I shall. Thanks.
 
2008-04-30 06:31:54 PM  
Tastes Like Chicken: I assure you, there will be no drive-by shootings or gangland violence during Temple's Grad ceremony. There will be upwards of 5000 people milling around, and Temple's Police Department 4 on every corner in a 4 block radius around the Liacouras Center. I'd be more worried about the cars trying to parallel park without running you over.

That is unless Cosby packs his AK. In which case, good luck and godspeed.


I always carry: I even avoid going to NJ and Maryland unless I absolutely must, sunce my permits are not valid there.

My kid who is graduating served a tour in Iraq; he doesn't recommend showing up unarmed.
 
2008-04-30 06:32:26 PM  
Who's on first?
 
2008-04-30 06:35:41 PM  
baka-san:

very much so. Especially straw buyers and the small % of dealers who give the rest of them a bad name.

Yes!!! We have harsh penalties for this... we just dont enforce them!!!

Why make new laws that won't be enforced????
 
2008-04-30 06:36:47 PM  
Don't Tase Me Bro: I always carry: I even avoid going to NJ and Maryland unless I absolutely must, sunce my permits are not valid there.

Wait, you live in DE according to your profile, which is a highly anti-gun state. Doe this mean you somehow swung a PA carry permit? How'd you do that?

/mine's expired dammit
//used to carry all the time but got fat. Then got skinny but found that if one carries oneself as if one were armed, the vermin avoid you even if you aren't.
 
2008-04-30 06:42:51 PM  
SlappyKincaid: baka-san:

very much so. Especially straw buyers and the small % of dealers who give the rest of them a bad name.
Yes!!! We have harsh penalties for this... we just dont enforce them!!!

Why make new laws that won't be enforced????


Or run out like the "Assault" Gun ban, most pointless gun law ever. All it did was make what I like to call "thumb hole" stocks popular, esp AK's.
 
2008-04-30 06:43:22 PM  
Don't Tase Me Bro: I always carry: I even avoid going to NJ and Maryland unless I absolutely must, sunce my permits are not valid there.

My kid who is graduating served a tour in Iraq; he doesn't recommend showing up unarmed.


Didn't mean to denigrate your ideals or your son's or anything like that. Just sticking up for my Alma Mater really I guess. I never had a problem, but that might be because I'm a bigger guy. I dunno, I've walked in Fishtown, on G-Street (yes, it's really called that :)) in Kensington late at night, and all over Girard, Cecil B, over by the big new Dorm whats-it-called by the Regional Rail station and I never had a problem. The only place that freaks me out is Southwest Philly down by the junkyards. It's like Mad Max plus Strip Clubs.
 
2008-04-30 06:44:10 PM  
i253.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-30 06:57:14 PM  
baka-san:
Or run out like the "Assault" Gun ban, most pointless gun law ever. All it did was make what I like to call "thumb hole" stocks popular, esp AK's.



Being around Chicago/Cook County I am not a fan of their Assault Weapons Ban... its based on an arbitrary set of criteria that makes a weapon no less effective.

Even magazine capacity... I can changes mags out so quickly that its not even really relevant!!!
 
2008-04-30 07:01:16 PM  
I have a serious problem with states passing laws that prohibit locals from making there own. For example, the township I live in cannot prevent a factory farm from coming in and destroying the roads, the groundwater and the soil. So I am against this supreme court ruling. Having said that- wtf is a municipality even considering such an asinine set of restrictions while everything in them is already covered? Redundancy is what's killing the legal system, among other things which gets back to "why do we need this again?"
 
2008-04-30 07:02:01 PM  
Damn, "their", not "there".
 
2008-04-30 07:05:27 PM  
OregonVet: I have a serious problem with states passing laws that prohibit locals from making there own.

So, I'm guessing you're no fan of the 14th amendment then?
 
2008-04-30 07:10:34 PM  
Weaps: Wait, you live in DE according to your profile, which is a highly anti-gun state. Doe this mean you somehow swung a PA carry permit? How'd you do that?

Delaware isn't all that anti-gun, but carry permits are rare because it's not a "shall-issue" state. The upside of that is there are almost no restrictions on where a carry-permit holder can carry. I can even go on school property with a concealed firearm: since I am not breaking any law, I am not affected by the "gun-free school zone" statutes.
Although DE is a "may issue" state, it's not hard to get a permit here if you prepare your application correctly. My CCDW instructor has only had one of his students fail to get the permit, and that guy flunked the (extensive!) background check.
Once I got the Delaware permit, the PA non-resident permit -- obtained through Centre County -- took only a week (including first-class mail both ways).
 
2008-04-30 07:12:51 PM  
jbuist: So, I'm guessing you're no fan of the 14th amendment then?

What part?
 
2008-04-30 07:18:38 PM  
Yeah the headline sounds about right for Philly.

Nonetheless, I love Philadelphia. Great, vastly underrated city with fantastic food and beer. I'm but a cushy spoiled Penn kid in West Philly, where we mainly need to worry about roving bands of bored West Philly 12-year old girls, so I can't compete with my North Philly friends, but still....

Bainbridge to Spring Garden, Front to 40th--all of Center City and University City (at the very least) are beautiful and as safe as any other US city (not saying much, I know). Press notwithstanding, things have gotten much better here in the last decade. I just feel the need to speak up in Philly.com threads since the city always gets bashed from all sides.

/$0.02 rant over.
 
2008-04-30 07:19:44 PM  
I've been looking at the differences between 10mm and 45acp. This thread is relevant to my interests.
 
2008-04-30 07:20:00 PM  
SlappyKincaid:
Being around Chicago/Cook County I am not a fan of their Assault Weapons Ban... its based on an arbitrary set of criteria that makes a weapon no less effective.

Even magazine capacity... I can changes mags out so quickly that its not even really relevant!!!


And good ol' CA, have you ever seen the mods you have to do to a PS90 to make it legal there? kinda defeats the whole fun of it.
 
2008-04-30 07:21:29 PM  
Oh, I see. You confused the state Supreme Court in the article with SCOTUS. Yeah, fail.

www.lolz.se

Have another and try to RTFA while you're at it.
 
2008-04-30 08:07:14 PM  
The NRAristocrats?
 
2008-04-30 08:10:43 PM  
neapoi: I've been looking at the differences between 10mm and 45acp. This thread is relevant to my interests.
This is a big topic of discussion on GlockTalk. I've already made my choice; here's how I justify it:

.45 ACP = gun.
Subsonic bullets about the size (11.5mm) of a fat bumblebee.
Maximum kinetic energy about 400-500 lb-ft.
Far more effective than 9mm, but mainly because of wound diameter.
In the real world, a heterogenous obstacle -- e.g., a forearm and several layers of cloth (both sides of the sleeve, and the front of the coat) -- may leave a (badly) wounded survivor to shoot back, lie to the cops & sue you later.

10mm = cannon.
Full-powered ammo (not the "FBI load") goes supersonic in most guns.
My carry ammo is tested at ~680 lb-ft (1360 ft/sec) from my carry gun.
Slighly less wound diameter than the .45 ACP, but much better penetration and expansion.
If you shoot that forearm twice, it's going to fall off and get out of your way. If you push a 165-grain Golden Saber bullet into the "target's" center-of-mass at Mach 1.1, that "target" is going to die.

For me, it's simple:
I don't want to shoot anybody, ever. If I do, however, I want them to farking DIE DIE DIE. I prefer a "cannon" over a mere "gun."
 
2008-04-30 08:10:44 PM  
Don't Tase Me Bro
Marcus Aurelius: Nothing will change as long as you can go to a gun show and walk out with a concealed weapon.

You can't... not legally, anyway, unless you already have a CCW permit.
I can, though.


However, you can legally walk out with a handgun carried in plain sight. Been there, done that.
 
2008-04-30 08:12:12 PM  
Why the hell do you people need such large clips? You guys aren't planning on a fight with the US government, are you? Anything that reduces the number of guns in people's hands will make us all safer.
 
2008-04-30 08:15:29 PM  
Don't Tase Me Bro: Philadelphia inspires such fear in me that I will break the mag limit just because I'm going there:
I normally carry a 10-round Glock 29, but I will pack its big brother G20 -- and several spare 15-round mags -- when I attend a college graduation there in a few weeks.


Dude I am pro-gun and pro-carry and IMHO that is excessive. A Glock 20? Nice, but it's 10mm Auto. OK I understand the cartridge, most likely one hit from that and game over.

Several spare 15 round mags on your person? Even Chow Yun Fat would be in touble.

Where are you graduating from...Temple? Is the city overrun with zombies?

Actually I went to school there and I live nearby, there really is no need for that level of firepower unless you are storming the housing projects in North Philly.


Try one of these

HK P7M8 with one extra mag. Or if you are truly cool...two P7s in a dual carry.

world.guns.ru
 
2008-04-30 08:16:05 PM  
What else can we expect from a city whose police force dropped bombs on row houses back in 1985 when they were facing off with a radical group (called MOVE)? These people get to vote this fall...yay.
 
2008-04-30 08:16:44 PM  
Remove all Republicans: Why the hell do you people need such large clips? You guys aren't planning on a fight with the US government, are you? Anything that reduces the number of guns in people's hands will make us all safer.

i22.photobucket.com

You know why? Because when I take my Beretta to the gun range, I would rather have 15 round mags then 10 round mags. Reloading more often is a waste of my time.
 
2008-04-30 08:18:14 PM  
Don't Tase Me Bro: G20 -- and several spare 15-round mags -- when I attend a college graduation there in a few weeks.


Ted Nugent uses a G20 for warthog hunting, so you should have no problem.

/NRA member.
//Getting a kick out of these responses.
///Just mailed my membership renewal today...no joke.
 
2008-04-30 08:18:50 PM  
Damn. The mayor's name really is "Nutter". (Michael Nutter, in office since Jan. 7 according to Wiki). Appropriate for that city. At least... what, at least he's not John Street.
 
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