wallytacker:


Do you know what the Marines are without the Navy?


Just the Army.

You know why they put Marines on board Navy ships?

So the sailors will have someone new to dance with.

/kidding
//Former Marine, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit(SOC) 1989-1991

wow...

*their

for you grammar nazis

/need coffee

GEORGE BUSH

Killing your children for increased oil profits since 2000.

Joe Blowme

Marines killing bad guys is STUPID tag? Subby is an asshat

No, not Marines killing bad guys. The stupid tag is for them having to still be there.

Where the fark do some of you get off thinking criticism of the war (its execution/planning/etc) equals criticism of the troops?

/meanwhile, there are probably some Russians that actually feel better about their failure in Afghanistan now
//hardly much cold comfort to our boys and girls fighting over there

DROxINxTHExWIND

You have no idea how lucky you are to live in this country and because Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf you have the freedom to be a total clueless asshat. You hate this country so much and if it is so evil why are you still here? Quit blaming others for your ignorance and step the F88k up and take some responsibility for yourself.

DROxINxTHExWIND

I believe that they respect the enemy's ability to fight, but not as men who are also sacraficing their lives for something they believe in. I mean, if I was getting shot at it would be hard for me to respect the people doing it, as well. But, as an outside observer who believes that neither side deserves this, it saddens me to see us consistently take the low road.

There is no high road when your business is war. You can't expect soldiers to maintain a friendly, politically correct attitude.

You can't win a war against an enemy that you feel empathy for. You can't kill someone that you love. A soldier MUST see the enemy as an enemy, not as an equal. Otherwise, he will die.

TehBoognish: GEORGE BUSH

Killing your children for increased oil profits since 2000.

What connection do you have to any of the dead military men?

Take the time to make up a good story.

Joe Blowme: DROxINxTHExWIND

You have no idea how lucky you are to live in this country and because Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf you have the freedom to be a total clueless asshat. You hate this country so much and if it is so evil why are you still here? Quit blaming others for your ignorance and step the F88k up and take some responsibility for yourself.

You in the right thread? If so, what are you talking about?

They sent Ninjas too

/The ninjas are every where

Joe Blowme

You have no idea how lucky you are to live in this country and because Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf you have the freedom to be a total clueless asshat. You hate this country so much and if it is so evil why are you still here? Quit blaming others for your ignorance and step the F88k up and take some responsibility for yourself.

Wow. Nice way to make all the blood my dad spilled at Anzio and in Korea worthless. I have the flag I got when my dad was buried displayed in a case in my living room, and it means the world to me. But I would never dream of telling someone to leave this country because of an opinion they have. Never. That blood was spilled so they can have the freedom to make those comments.

/sorry, rant over
//not enough coffee this morning yet

Thats Not Right

War or troops, its still wrong while we are at war and have people in harms way, not being a soldier i don't expect you to understand but realise you have the right to be against it just as i have the right to be for it... thanks to the millitary.

Here come the "go kill somebody or shut-up brigade". You can all go to hell. STFU talking about the soldiers in Iraq fighting so that I don't have too. Its all bullshiat. The reasons we went and the reasons being given to stay.

You all need to grow the fark up and take responsibility for YOUR lives. Your retarded justification for a continuation of a flawed policy that is killing people, including those who you claim to support, is nothing other than blind patiotism. Since we have established that the intelligence was flawed and that the administration lied repeatedly, every one of the people dead has died for a cause less noble than the one you are trying to assign.

If YOU were taking responsibility for YOURSELF, then you'd be able to look past what people with an agenda are feeding you about the war and you'd have the balls to ask questions. Keep waving your flags, dummies. The military-industrial complex and the oil companies appreciate your contributions.

Joe Blowme: You have no idea how lucky you are to live in this country and because Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf you have the freedom to be a total clueless asshat. You hate this country so much and if it is so evil why are you still here? Quit blaming others for your ignorance and step the F88k up and take some responsibility for yourself.

You sign up for the Marines like signing up for a bowling league. You're not chosen for it like an earldom or some shiat.

DROxINxTHExWIND: Here come the "go kill somebody or shut-up brigade". You can all go to hell. STFU talking about the soldiers in Iraq fighting so that I don't have too. Its all bullshiat. The reasons we went and the reasons being given to stay.

You all need to grow the fark up and take responsibility for YOUR lives. Your retarded justification for a continuation of a flawed policy that is killing people, including those who you claim to support, is nothing other than blind patiotism. Since we have established that the intelligence was flawed and that the administration lied repeatedly, every one of the people dead has died for a cause less noble than the one you are trying to assign.

If YOU were taking responsibility for YOURSELF, then you'd be able to look past what people with an agenda are feeding you about the war and you'd have the balls to ask questions. Keep waving your flags, dummies. The military-industrial complex and the oil companies appreciate your contributions.

I've been out for 6 years and am going back so your logic is worth crap.

People who don't join the military and STILL don't contribute to the nation in any way (civil service or otherwise) are asshats.

Massa Damnata: And don't they look gung ho?

That's normal, don't worry until they stop biatching.


/6317 in VMFA-333 85-89
//Semper Fieldayus

Joe Blowme
Thats Not Right

I am a soldier so I am getting a kick out of your replies?

/When deployed they never lean on the fact that is sucks and they might not come back. We make light of the situation and do as we are told.
//after awhile the reason to be over there isn't politcal it's to do your job right so that your friends come home with you
///got a lot of family in the army and marines I think they would argee

DROxINxTHExWIND: it saddens me to see us consistently take the low road.

There's a sort of necessity to this attitude. If you had to kill lots of people, you would find dehumanizing them into animals or objects would help you sleep at night. It's not a low road, just a coping mechanism.

People get bent out of shape at the idea soldiers called the japanese nips, japs, etc. If you had to burn someone out of a cave who was trying to kill you, would you find it easier to think of him as a father/son/brother or as a jap/nip/target?

Same thing in this instance. It's best just to let it go when you hear soldiers talking down about their enemies. It's a hard enough job without people who don't have to do it judging their political correctness.

/not flaming either

Joe Blowme: Thats Not Right

War or troops, its still wrong while we are at war and have people in harms way, not being a soldier i don't expect you to understand but realise you have the right to be against it just as i have the right to be for it... thanks to the millitary.

So, whatever war we are in we HAVE to voice support for, even when it's evil and wrong? You have a twisted view of America and patriotism. It rings very familiar though... (queue flashbacks to shouts of "ziech hiel!")

StillGetCarded:
I've been out for 6 years and am going back so your logic is worth crap.

People who don't join the military and STILL don't contribute to the nation in any way (civil service or otherwise) are asshats.
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So, you're now suggesting that I don't give back because I don't support the current war. I hope this time when you go in, Uncle Sam has a course in logic for you to take.

Oh and for the record, I'm a taxpayer and as a soldier you are paid by taxes so we can end the talk about who contributes right there. As the person who is footing the bill for this nonsense I have a say.

The only reason for the stupid tag is for the civilian leadership.

If Afghanistan and Iraq had been properly planned and executed, there would have only been Fallujah not Fallujah I and Fallujah II.

It is stupidity to fight a war undermanned, underequipped, using doctrine that fits a small European country not a vast Middle Eastern country.

Stupid is not listening to Army Chiefs of Staff that, BEFORE WE WENT INTO IRAQ, said we would need approximately 400,000 plus troops to take and hold and rebuild Iraq.

That's why there is a STUPID tag. RUMSFELD took too many letters.

PSA: I totally understand the neccessity to view the people who are trying to kill you as sub-human. As you can see from my original comment, I at first assumed that the quote was made by a high-ranking military official. That said, I stand by the rest of my comments.

Joe Blowme

War or troops, its still wrong while we are at war and have people in harms way, not being a soldier i don't expect you to understand but realise you have the right to be against it just as i have the right to be for it... thanks to the millitary.

Whoa there. What made you think I wasn't a soldier? Just because I don't subscribe to your newsletter doesn't mean I haven't walked in the same shoes. Right next to my dad's flag and his picture is my Honorable Discharge. At least I can say I understand and appreciate that someone burning the flag made what my dad and I did worthwhile.

We can solve this problem with some thermobaric weapons.

I have a solution for Afghanistan, and I would like to lay it out here and give all my fellow Farkers an opportunity to point, laugh, and call me a douche(after all, that's what I come here for).
Start buying the opium. All of it. Whatever the traffickers pay, we pay more - only condition - you have to desist from acting against coalition troops - no other conditions. We can bring some of it home and give it to the pharmaceutical industry (which is short of real morphine, these days) and destroy the rest. It would restore their economy, gain us immeasurable goodwill, and cost a fraction of what we are spending now. Make it worth their while, and the locals will run the Taliban out with little or no help from us - they depend upon support from the populace to function.
It is also my theory, which I thought of myself, and is nobody else's, that the Taliban is narrow at one end, wide in the middle, and narrow again at the far end.
Let the ridicule commence.

Bush's "Surge" really has worked for Iraq; however, when you pull troops out of a stabilized region (Afghanistan), you can expect the stabilized region to become de-stabilized once again with the Taliban.

/Not enough troops.
//Bush is a
///If McCain is elected, the same shiat.
////I love slashies!

Thats Not Right Joe Blowme

War or troops, its still wrong while we are at war and have people in harms way, not being a soldier i don't expect you to understand but realise you have the right to be against it just as i have the right to be for it... thanks to the millitary.

Whoa there. What made you think I wasn't a soldier? Just because I don't subscribe to your newsletter doesn't mean I haven't walked in the same shoes. Right next to my dad's flag and his picture is my Honorable Discharge. At least I can say I understand and appreciate that someone burning the flag made what my dad and I did worthwhile.



/you jumped wrong
//nothing personal just bored

jso2897: I have a solution for Afghanistan, and I would like to lay it out here and give all my fellow Farkers an opportunity to point, laugh, and call me a douche(after all, that's what I come here for).
Start buying the opium. All of it. Whatever the traffickers pay, we pay more - only condition - you have to desist from acting against coalition troops - no other conditions. We can bring some of it home and give it to the pharmaceutical industry (which is short of real morphine, these days) and destroy the rest. It would restore their economy, gain us immeasurable goodwill, and cost a fraction of what we are spending now. Make it worth their while, and the locals will run the Taliban out with little or no help from us - they depend upon support from the populace to function.
It is also my theory, which I thought of myself, and is nobody else's, that the Taliban is narrow at one end, wide in the middle, and narrow again at the far end.
Let the ridicule commence.

Sounds good to me. I nominate you for the next mayor of Kabul.

Thats Not Right: Joe Blowme

War or troops, its still wrong while we are at war and have people in harms way, not being a soldier i don't expect you to understand but realise you have the right to be against it just as i have the right to be for it... thanks to the millitary.

Whoa there. What made you think I wasn't a soldier? Just because I don't subscribe to your newsletter doesn't mean I haven't walked in the same shoes. Right next to my dad's flag and his picture is my Honorable Discharge. At least I can say I understand and appreciate that someone burning the flag made what my dad and I did worthwhile.

It has been my experience that certain "types" will always assume that anybody who is anti-war never served. get used to it. If I had a dollar for every 15 year old keyboard warrior who has called me a yellow-bellied traitor for my views, we could all go have lunch at Four Seasons with the proceeds.

It's good to see all the former and current service members here. I can't wait to get out to the fleet and really start doing my part. I want to go to Afghanistan. I can't wait...but I always thought the punch line for the Marines on ship joke was "because sheep would be too obvious."

How are airmen like ants?
Only one out of 1000 can fly.

Thats Not Right What made you think I wasn't a soldier?

My mistake, I apoligize. I wondered why i keep getting a news letter returned with "Not at this address" on it.

jso2897: I have a solution for Afghanistan, and I would like to lay it out here and give all my fellow Farkers an opportunity to point, laugh, and call me a douche(after all, that's what I come here for).
Start buying the opium. All of it. Whatever the traffickers pay, we pay more - only condition - you have to desist from acting against coalition troops - no other conditions. We can bring some of it home and give it to the pharmaceutical industry (which is short of real morphine, these days) and destroy the rest. It would restore their economy, gain us immeasurable goodwill, and cost a fraction of what we are spending now. Make it worth their while, and the locals will run the Taliban out with little or no help from us - they depend upon support from the populace to function.
It is also my theory, which I thought of myself, and is nobody else's, that the Taliban is narrow at one end, wide in the middle, and narrow again at the far end.
Let the ridicule commence.

So your proposing that instead of spending billions and billions of dollars paying for contractors and soldiers and logistics and overhead, we instead distribute money to the local Afghans, provide humanitarian aid, and allow them to rebuild the parts of their infrastructure that can be reasonably tended to with the current security situation?

That well reasoned argument is surely madness. STFU and kill some shiat.

ReverendJasen: DROxINxTHExWIND: His callousness shows the disregard that the leadership has for human life.

Just how much respect should taliban-wacko terrorists freedomfighters be receiving?
While I disapprove of Ghraib and Guantanamo, I don't think anyone should be expected to say nice things about these suicide bombing retards freedomfighters .

FTFY.

Sure are lots of jarhead farkers.

Like me! Good hunting, brothers!

error 303: jso2897: I have a solution for Afghanistan, and I would like to lay it out here and give all my fellow Farkers an opportunity to point, laugh, and call me a douche(after all, that's what I come here for).
Start buying the opium. All of it. Whatever the traffickers pay, we pay more - only condition - you have to desist from acting against coalition troops - no other conditions. We can bring some of it home and give it to the pharmaceutical industry (which is short of real morphine, these days) and destroy the rest. It would restore their economy, gain us immeasurable goodwill, and cost a fraction of what we are spending now. Make it worth their while, and the locals will run the Taliban out with little or no help from us - they depend upon support from the populace to function.
It is also my theory, which I thought of myself, and is nobody else's, that the Taliban is narrow at one end, wide in the middle, and narrow again at the far end.
Let the ridicule commence.

So your proposing that instead of spending billions and billions of dollars paying for contractors and soldiers and logistics and overhead, we instead distribute money to the local Afghans, provide humanitarian aid, and allow them to rebuild the parts of their infrastructure that can be reasonably tended to with the current security situation?

That well reasoned argument is surely madness. STFU and kill some shiat.

You guys are no goddamn fun at all. :(

I come in here hoping for some good 'ol "Go give Osama Bin Laden a BJ, and put down the crack pipe, terrorist loving hippie", and I get this shiat.

jso2897: I have a solution for Afghanistan, and I would like to lay it out here and give all my fellow Farkers an opportunity to point, laugh, and call me a douche(after all, that's what I come here for).
Start buying the opium.

You had me after buy opium. Chasing dragon better than chasing terrorist

seminole87: Isn't that where he who must not be named lives?

Czar finally moved in with his Taliban friends? Wondered what happened to him.

/Not really wondering.

jso2897: I have a solution for Afghanistan, and I would like to lay it out here and give all my fellow Farkers an opportunity to point, laugh, and call me a douche(after all, that's what I come here for).
Start buying the opium. All of it. Whatever the traffickers pay, we pay more - only condition - you have to desist from acting against coalition troops - no other conditions. We can bring some of it home and give it to the pharmaceutical industry (which is short of real morphine, these days) and destroy the rest. It would restore their economy, gain us immeasurable goodwill, and cost a fraction of what we are spending now. Make it worth their while, and the locals will run the Taliban out with little or no help from us - they depend upon support from the populace to function.
It is also my theory, which I thought of myself, and is nobody else's, that the Taliban is narrow at one end, wide in the middle, and narrow again at the far end.
Let the ridicule commence.

Problem is that Saudi wahabbis will triple that sum. They need soldier and what better then poor Palestinians and Afghans. And talibans ain't foreign element in Afghanistan, they are local afghans. Every day there are more of them. And US should concentrate on their primary mission, finding Bin laden, and then gtfo of there.

Broz_Tito: jso2897: I have a solution for Afghanistan, and I would like to lay it out here and give all my fellow Farkers an opportunity to point, laugh, and call me a douche(after all, that's what I come here for).
Start buying the opium. All of it. Whatever the traffickers pay, we pay more - only condition - you have to desist from acting against coalition troops - no other conditions. We can bring some of it home and give it to the pharmaceutical industry (which is short of real morphine, these days) and destroy the rest. It would restore their economy, gain us immeasurable goodwill, and cost a fraction of what we are spending now. Make it worth their while, and the locals will run the Taliban out with little or no help from us - they depend upon support from the populace to function.
It is also my theory, which I thought of myself, and is nobody else's, that the Taliban is narrow at one end, wide in the middle, and narrow again at the far end.
Let the ridicule commence.

Problem is that Saudi wahabbis will triple that sum. They need soldier and what better then poor Palestinians and Afghans. And talibans ain't foreign element in Afghanistan, they are local afghans. Every day there are more of them. And US should concentrate on their primary mission, finding Bin laden, and then gtfo of there.

Well, if you're going to get all serious and stuff, the FIRST thing we should do is GTFO of there. With all due respect - we aren't going to catch Bin Laden. And it wouldn't be worth it if we did - he's one man, and little more than a figurehead who can easily be replaced. If, indeed, he is even still alive.

error 303: jso2897: I have a solution for Afghanistan, and I would like to lay it out here and give all my fellow Farkers an opportunity to point, laugh, and call me a douche(after all, that's what I come here for).
Start buying the opium. All of it. Whatever the traffickers pay, we pay more - only condition - you have to desist from acting against coalition troops - no other conditions. We can bring some of it home and give it to the pharmaceutical industry (which is short of real morphine, these days) and destroy the rest. It would restore their economy, gain us immeasurable goodwill, and cost a fraction of what we are spending now. Make it worth their while, and the locals will run the Taliban out with little or no help from us - they depend upon support from the populace to function.
It is also my theory, which I thought of myself, and is nobody else's, that the Taliban is narrow at one end, wide in the middle, and narrow again at the far end.
Let the ridicule commence.

So your proposing that instead of spending billions and billions of dollars paying for contractors and soldiers and logistics and overhead, we instead distribute money to the local Afghans, provide humanitarian aid, and allow them to rebuild the parts of their infrastructure that can be reasonably tended to with the current security situation?

That well reasoned argument is surely madness. STFU and kill some shiat.

Also it is poppycock and skullduggery. We shan't stand for it.

/sits down

Accent Quote 2008-04-29 09:26:08 AM
Why does the Taliban keep claiming responsibility for assassination attempts... that fail?


Cause they are attention whores. "Look what we almost did"

I heard they are growing wheat now in Afghanistan because the price for commodities is more than poppies.

We should build ethanol plants and get them to grow corn there.
-Eliminate the poppies to heroin market
- Gives them JOBS and an Economy
- They will love us because we helped them become Self Sufficient and not defendant on US AID handouts.

RediixOne: Most of you do not appreciate them, but I guarantee that one of the reasons you can sleep soundly at night is because U.S. Marines are ready to fark some shiat up at a moments notice on yourGeorge W. Bush's behalf.

Semper Fi!


FTFY. 7 Years of "farking shiat up" is nothing to brag about. I'd sleep better knowing we weren't at war with anyone, thanks.

Mongo cut wood: Accent Quote 2008-04-29 09:26:08 AM
Why does the Taliban keep claiming responsibility for assassination attempts... that fail?


Cause they are attention whores. "Look what we almost did"

I heard they are growing wheat now in Afghanistan because the price for commodities is more than poppies.

We should build ethanol plants and get them to grow corn there.
-Eliminate the poppies to heroin market
- Gives them JOBS and an Economy
- They will love us because we helped them become Self Sufficient and not defendant on US AID handouts.

That's another useful thing we could do with their poppy crop - great source for biodiesel, too. Now, as one poster pointed out, we would definitely get into a bidding war with the opposition - but for a fraction of what we are spending there now, we could win that bidding war - we have, by far, the deeper pockets. And while, as the same poster wisely pointed out, our end game has to be to get out - we could do this without maintaining any real presence there. Still, I have to concede that it is an idea with as much political viability as a snowball in hell.

According to my graphic here - it is possible to nail jello to a tree.

There are certainly a lot of unpatriotic a-holes in this thread.
anyway...
The fellas in the 24th MEU are truly bad asses. They are SOC and battle hardened. Itching to wreak havoc on whatever target they are assigned to. The Colonel leading these men into combat was the fella that submitted and carried out the plan to rescue Scott Grady a few years back. He was a Major then and made Colonel shortly after. The spec ops group from this meu is one of the best the Corps has. This particular group has 100% re-enlistment 6 years running. They love doing what they do! So if you wanna say sumthin negative about them, say it to their faces, just make sure your insurance premiums are paid up!
/ Semper Fi!
// If its gotta be, send an 03

EdNortonsTwin: According to my graphic here - it is possible to nail jello to a tree.

Where's the pineapple tidbits?

/Making jello with pineapple tidbits is like nailing jello to a tree.

beowulfmpf: There are certainly a lot of unpatriotic a-holes in this thread.
anyway...
The fellas in the 24th MEU are truly bad asses. They are SOC and battle hardened. Itching to wreak havoc on whatever target they are assigned to. The Colonel leading these men into combat was the fella that submitted and carried out the plan to rescue Scott Grady a few years back. He was a Major then and made Colonel shortly after. The spec ops group from this meu is one of the best the Corps has. This particular group has 100% re-enlistment 6 years running. They love doing what they do! So if you wanna say sumthin negative about them, say it to their faces, just make sure your insurance premiums are paid up!
/ Semper Fi!
// If its gotta be, send an 03

Look, pal - I just don't think it's in America's interest to fight costly wars on the other side of the planet in an attempt to pacify and educate ineducable and unpacifiable savages. I think the sort of people you are talking about are far too valuable to be wasting in futile attempts to save worthless primitives from themselves. If that makes me an "un-patriotic A-hole", maybe you could explain how and why - or are you maybe making a few assumptions about me that you might have trouble substantiating?