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(Chicago Breaking News)   "You can have my 1500 calorie sandwich when you take it from my cold, dead, fat hands." The movement is now afoot to make being fat a "legal right." Movement members can't see their feet but it's afoot anyway   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 415
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2008-04-28 01:56:14 PM  
dallashockey: eat a carrot instead of a bag of doritos.


www.ghastlycomic.com
OM NOM NOM
 
2008-04-28 01:56:16 PM  
louiedog: Oh_Enough_Already: Smokers should have though of this.

Yeah, but if obese people started splattering calorie laden food into the mouths of other people, no one would stand for it.


Apparently you haven't seen enough German porn.

/and having seen "any" I have seen "too much"
 
2008-04-28 01:56:37 PM  
Imagine being sent 20 years into the future. There you get a full tour of the city by a guy named Barney.

Me: "Where is a good place to eat in this future? I would love to sink my teeth into a green chile cheeseburger."

Barney: "Let's see. Subway has a green chile sub. Would that work? Hamburger hasn't been legal in over 5 years."

Me: "What!? What happened? Mad-Cow disease or something."

Barney: (laughing) "No, the cost of health-care was getting too high, so government passed a law banning unhealthy foods in an attempt to prevent obesity and other problems that were eating up the health-care budget."

Me: "Okay, that makes sense. Did they outlaw cars? Is that why so many people are walking, riding bikes, and riding on these cool electric busses? I haven't seen a single car."

Barney: "Not exactly. The government spent so much time passing legislation to remove things that are harmful from society that they finally just made it illegal to do stuff that is dangerous. They did a study and came to the conclusion that too many people die or get hurt riding motorcycles and driving cars. You can own a car, you just can't drive it. It has saved a ton of money on health-care."

Me: "What about the bill of rights? How was all this justified?"

Barney: "People's poor-decision related health care costs were infringing on the freedoms of people who lived healthy and made good decisions. You wouldn't want to have to pay any more than necessary to subsidize stupid people, would you?"

Me: "If this is our future I'm going to kill myself."

Barney: "Whatever man. Just do it right. Jacked-up suicide attempts are 50% of the health-care budget."
 
2008-04-28 01:56:58 PM  
You're not helping our cause much, dallashockey... ;)

Hey nyil, I can type grammatically and punctuate properly; in fact, I'm a fully-grown home-owning urban professional with an actual honest-to-goodness college degree. Why don't you try explaining to me how I'm semi-retarded for being disgusted with fatties?
 
2008-04-28 01:57:15 PM  
nyil-

you can make fun of me all you want for not capitalizing. i think i can live.
 
2008-04-28 01:57:23 PM  
Marley'sGirl: I have those pesky 10 pounds too.

Diminishing returns.

The amount of calories burned during a given activity depends partially on your weight (heavier people burn more when they do activities).

So, as you lose weight, you burn fewer and fewer calories for doing the same activities.

Eventually, you'll reach a plateu where your weight stabilizes.

To lose more weight past that point, you have to change something else in the equation. Building more muscle mass as you mentioned is a good idea (more muscles to feed = higher BMR).
 
2008-04-28 01:57:42 PM  
nyil: ...take the time to present yourself like an educated person rather than an imbicile.

You missed it by this much
 
2008-04-28 01:58:29 PM  
Zxaranthium: because you brought it up, don't you think the "fat inquisition" or "chubby holocaust" is beginning now? People not chosen for jobs because of their weight, looked down on, discriminated against, etc.?

Right. This is the first time in recorded history where the morbidly obese have been societally undesirable. Prior to the year AD 2008, people with rolls upon on rolls of taut, sour-smelling flab where there necks and waists should have been were considered admirable in every culture on the globe.

Although if the current oil crisis continues to worsen, we may someday reach a point where we have no choice but to render fatties for fuel.
 
2008-04-28 01:59:10 PM  
mattharvest: For some overweight people, it's purely a choice (a matter of diet and exercise, vs. sedentary behavior). What is unfortunate is that there are, legitimately, some people for whom it is not a choice but rather a nightmare (i.e. where health problems prevent them from doing anything about their weight, for reasons beyond their control).

However, I have never heard of any study that would suggest that the latter group is a significant percentage of all overweight people, much less the majority.


I used to work in an eating disorders clinic, mainly on a study of overweight people. There were some sad stories. We had someone who was a personal trainer and worked out 6 days a week. She could never seem to lose those last 30 pounds that would have made her look good. There was another woman with thyroid issues which made her gain a ton of weight before it was caught. The medication to treat it makes it VERY hard for you to lose weight. It was pretty sad. Out of about 300 or so charts that I personally reviewed, I'd say maybe 5-6 were people who had weight issues due to a medical condition and were motivated and genuinely trying to lose weight.
 
2008-04-28 01:59:10 PM  
You're right. Let me prove I can be gramatically correct just to satisfy these two. I too would love to hear how thinking fat people are gross makes me retarded. Maybe a little closed minded when it come to people who make me ill but that's about it.
 
2008-04-28 01:59:10 PM  
Ochiba:

My ex wasn't quite that bad, but she'd load up a plate like Anne Frank was hiding out in the attic.

Maybe she had a secret family up there. Are you sure she didn't?

I felt bad for that girl I talked about, though. She really had NO self control... it was kind of shocking what she ate. She could out-eat large males, and couldn't go very long without eating something. Her mother even paid for a nutritionist, because she was worried her daughter was so unhealthy [and she was only 19 or 20, so it was really bad] but she disregarded everything the nutritionist told her.

Most people should be so lucky as to have that kind of help....

Westchester, eh? I "lived" at the Ramada in Elmsford for close to two years, lol.

My condolences. That isn't that far from where I live right now, though I'm moving to the other side of Westchester, and an area I much prefer, in about a month. Then, it's off to California after a few months....
 
2008-04-28 02:01:45 PM  
dallashockey: You're right. Let me prove I can be gramatically correct just to satisfy these two. I too would love to hear how thinking fat people are gross makes me retarded. Maybe a little closed minded when it come to people who make me ill but that's about it.

For the record this is why I never said it was your hatred of fatties that made you semi-retarded. You have provided ample justification for the claim in this thread.
 
2008-04-28 02:04:49 PM  
"Legislation happens when people are too childish to police themselves."

No. Legislation happens when Nasty Nellies hate other people because they look and act differently from themselves. It is not "caring". It is "bullying".

/Mind your own Farking business.
 
2008-04-28 02:06:26 PM  
nyil: I just feel the same way about people who are as intellectually lazy as you do about fat people.

I personally find people who consider wasting time on pointless activities to be a virtue and an indication of intelligence to be fools. See you spend time doing things the "proper expected hardworking way" while I get the same job done in a third the time by being creative. Laziness is an amazing intellectual motivation to get things done as quickly and efficiently as possible.
 
2008-04-28 02:08:50 PM  
jst3p

Lay off the drugs. Send them my way. You are making no sense.
 
2008-04-28 02:08:57 PM  
I have a simple two-step program to cure this disease:

1. Eat farking less!
2. Move farking more!

You could as an option substitute Step 1 with the alternative of munching up whatever amount you would like, as long as the energy in what you eat do not exceed the energy spent to move around in a day. Eat carrots, eat farking cardboard if your want to, it's filling.
 
2008-04-28 02:09:24 PM  
vodka: After not being able to gain weight all my life I discovered that if I skip breakfast I could gain weight no problem. Even though I had heard that it is important to eat breakfast I didn't think it would have such a dramatic effect. Skipping breakfast slowed my metabolism way down.

I won't continue doing it though because I'm pretty sure it leads to diabetes as well. I just don't feel well unless I eat a good breakfast.


Interesting...I've grown into a habit of generally having only a light breakfast or skipping it altogether, and having a reasonably early lunch instead. In fact, if I have a decent breakfast, it often results in me skipping lunch altogether (that was the case when I was last in the US - the hotel breakfast was so awesome and filling that there was generally no need for lunch beyond some random snack).

In any case, generally I have two decent meals per day and one half-assed one, and that seems to keep my weight pretty much constant (and in the healthy range) , regardless of how fatty and delicious the meals I do have are.

The people I know who have a tendency to gain weight don't differ that much in terms of actual meals, often they eat much less than me for actual meals...the biggest difference is that they snack a lot between meals and never consider that part of what they eat. In some cases it seems that they know no middle ground - either they indulge themselves and eat everything they want or they starve themselves and eat only the minimum they can.
 
2008-04-28 02:10:44 PM  
It reall is that easy, Cornwell... too bad too many people are unwilling to Step 1, and too lazy to Step 2.
 
2008-04-28 02:14:19 PM  
you can't change what race you are. you can't change how old you are. you can't change being born with a mental handicap. these are the people who are being discriminated against. those that are stuck in something they can't change.

you can (in the vast majority of cases) change if you are fat. don't claim discrimination for things you did to get yourself in the condition that you're in.

don't force others to accept you when you, clearly, can't accept yourself.
 
2008-04-28 02:17:35 PM  
annimal

you can (in the vast majority of cases) change if you are fat. don't claim discrimination for things you did to get yourself in the condition that you're in.

Another clear voice of reason that will be absolutely blasted by the chubby-lovers in this thread based solely on his/hers decision to not to use capitalization...
 
2008-04-28 02:17:54 PM  
I am too lazy to capitalize when commenting on a meaningless thread about fat people. Fat people are to lazy to excercise. I think I would take my problem at the risk of being labeled "retarded". At least I am not gawked at like a circus freak.
 
2008-04-28 02:19:54 PM  
Farkshower1972-

Its called not facing the problem and trying to point out the simplistic flaws of others to hide the bigger problem. Pun intended.
 
2008-04-28 02:20:58 PM  
I'm surprised at how well the fat people in here have been typing. I would've just assumed that their fingers could type no fewer than three letters at a time, resulting in a mish-mash of poorly-formed sentences.
 
2008-04-28 02:22:35 PM  
Heamer

I think they use special keyboards. Like those giant remote controls for people who have bad eyesight.
 
2008-04-28 02:23:16 PM  
annimal: you can't change what race you are

Michael Jackson :P
 
2008-04-28 02:26:32 PM  
I was going to agree with an earlier statement that mocking people is an ineffective way of stimulating changes in behavior. Then I realized that dallashockey has started capitalizing his last few posts. Hmmm...
 
2008-04-28 02:28:09 PM  
annimal: you can (in the vast majority of cases) change if you are fat. don't claim discrimination for things you did to get yourself in the condition that you're in.

You know, I was just thinking, though -- they could claim similar rights to those that pregnant women claim. That's a fairly protected group, in terms of hiring/firing, who definitely use the health care system [at huge costs] and they also fall under the category of "you got yourself into that condition."

It's interesting, because while most people would argue that pregnancy is a natural right and all that, how is being fat not a natural right, when looking at it in this light?

Both groups will have difficulty with certain tasks.
Both groups are a health risk on some level.

However, the pregnant women absolutely will cost money in terms of health insurance, and will take paid maternity leave. They cost a ton of money for companies, right? An overweight person, however a risk for illnesses, etc. is not guaranteed to be ill, or to take extra time off, or anything like that.

Does that change anything? Should both be protected? Should neither?
 
2008-04-28 02:31:45 PM  
dallashockey: I am too lazy to capitalize when commenting on a meaningless thread about fat people. Fat people are to lazy to excercise. I think I would take my problem at the risk of being labeled "retarded". At least I am not gawked at like a circus freak.

LOL.. I'm trying to imagine people gawking at someone with poor spelling or grammar.

*whisper* *whisper* OMG!!!1! He mispelled friend! *whisper* *whisper* Well, everyone knows you're supposed to capitalize -THAT-! *gasp* *whisper* *whisper*

In the scheme of things tho... if you're going to go into a Fark thread and yell you hate fat people... ya gottan expect someone to yell back they hate bad capitalization. Calling you a retard just means you hit a nerve and they took your comment all 'personal-like'.

I'd say neither of you is really more of a douchebag than the other... but since you're both arguing on Fark... it means you're probably bigger douchebags than the general population. And since you are on that thar intarwebs clogging the tubes.. you're probably both more intelligent than the general population.

/hmmmm... is douchebaggery inversely proportional to intelligence?
//or maybe it's inversely proportional to amount of internet activity?
 
2008-04-28 02:32:55 PM  
ThurmanMerman

Good one. I love how they deflected my disgust of fat people by making me retarded for not capitalizing. Truly amazing intellectual skill set they were showing. Since I have begun using the shift ket they don't seem to be saying much. Maybe they did take a hint and went to Bally's. Probably not though. they heard the ice cream man I am betting. The only time they ever run.
 
2008-04-28 02:35:32 PM  
Arguing with chubby chasers is actually a hobby of mine at work. It keeps my mind sharp.
 
2008-04-28 02:36:24 PM  
dallashockey

I guess some people can dish it out, but they can't take it.
 
2008-04-28 02:39:41 PM  
serpent_sky: It's interesting, because while most people would argue that pregnancy is a natural right and all that, how is being fat not a natural right, when looking at it in this light?

Among other things, the right to reproduce is a venerated right amongst every human culture except China. Contrarily, not even the USA has venerated the right to self-abuse to the point of causing injury to those around you.

As noted already in this thread, the collective decisions to be overweight/obese by many individuals have significant negative effects on those around them.
 
2008-04-28 02:40:00 PM  
ThurmanMerman

Thats not all they dish out. Wow, this is too easy.
 
2008-04-28 02:44:38 PM  
Where did that picture of the fat guy doing the flying jump kick come from? That picture is so nearly perfect in its humor that it's hard to imagine the circumstance. That a guy that fat with his shirt open would have the dexterity to execute that kind of a kick is difficult to believe. And that he would have a ridiculous Buddy Hackett expression while doing so. And that his pants would rip in the process. And that someone had a camera ready and caught it all. What are the odds?
 
2008-04-28 02:45:54 PM  
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2008-04-28 02:48:13 PM  
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2008-04-28 02:48:44 PM  
You can't use that logic Serpent. Societies make choices about what behavior they will accept and what behavior they will not. Poppy seeds are naturally occurring, so by extension getting high on opiates should be a natural right and therefore exempt from discrimination.

The only thing protecting races, sexes, expecting mothers, etc. from discrimination is the fact that the majority of the people believe that they should be protected.

The question isn't whether being obese should be protected from discrimination. The question is does the majority of the populous believe that it should. If they do, then it will be classified just like any other protected trait.
 
2008-04-28 02:59:14 PM  
www.double3.com

/obligatory
 
2008-04-28 02:59:36 PM  
dallashockey:when you see a thread about people trying to be accepted in society for improper capitalization, LET ME KNOW.

This is such a thread, and you fail. Fatties choose to be fat, and you choose to be stupid. Neither instance affords special rights.
 
2008-04-28 03:08:06 PM  
Heamer: I'm surprised at how well the fat people in here have been typing. I would've just assumed that their fingers could type no fewer than three letters at a time, resulting in a mish-mash of poorly-formed sentences.

Special typing wands. I'd suggest some sort of voice translation tool, except every other word of their posts would be garbled with eating noise jibberish.
 
2008-04-28 03:08:27 PM  
Too much pumpkin cake then perhaps?


lol...very funny (see: can't eat cake)
 
2008-04-28 03:13:32 PM  

That sounds similar to my ex. She griped a bit about not being able to lose that "last little bit" to get to her target, but she wasn't receptive to my suggestion regarding portion sizes.

I don't know anything about your situation beyond what you typed, but portion sizes are pretty common factors with the folks I know who are dealing with weight issues. And it takes a while to not be hungry after downsizing portions, but your body will adapt.

My ex married her gym buddy. Seems she's slightly heavier than she was when she left. I guess having sex with only one person instead of the two is a net reduction in calories burned.


That is definitely a problem. I'm trying to eat much more vegetables and water, and instead of feeding "munchies" to chew gum.

And...I will say, I have been doing the SouthBeach diet for a few weeks, and I've lost a few pounds. But not a lot.

And here is why I like eating: it's a fantastic spectrum of culture for me. When I read literature I note what kind of food they made, and I try to make it...and that's a bonding for me that I really enjoy. I love trying new foods because I like to experience what other people experience. Sometimes I go to the store and just get crazy stuff and try to figure out what to do with them...

...did I mention I am an artist? ya...

so, that's my perspective. Culinary stuff is really fascinating to me.
 
2008-04-28 03:14:17 PM  
ansuz07: You can't use that logic Serpent. Societies make choices about what behavior they will accept and what behavior they will not. Poppy seeds are naturally occurring, so by extension getting high on opiates should be a natural right and therefore exempt from discrimination.

Well, I do think that getting high on opiates should be at least legal and if it doesn't interfere with their ability to do the job, the employer really should not discriminate based on what they do in their free time. But that's just me. I think I'd rather have someone who downs a few percocet on the weekend work for me than someone who will be sick all the time from being pregnant and will take months at a time off [paid] and may or may not come back to the job after that time off. As for the fat person, well... it would depend.

I've worked with fat people who were just as good as anyone else. I've also worked with ones who let it interfere with their job. One man was so large, he couldn't walk well, and therefore, couldn't deliver his proofread work in a timely fashion, or sometimes, at all. That's bad. It is a very bad thing to not be able to walk simply because you're overweight. We had another lady [I've told this story before] who had a crock pot set up on her desk and she'd sort of... graze out of it all day long. It was disruptive ["why the hell does this place smell like chili or meatballs?"] and it had to be impacting her work. However, she could have been told that crock pots simply were not allowed, and dealt with. The guy who couldn't walk and do the simple routing tasks, however, was essentially disabled-by-choice. It was pretty sad, honestly, but at the same time, I wouldn't want to hire him because he put an unfair burden on the other employees.

I think that should really be how things like this are decided-- case by case. Will hiring this person put a burden on the other people who work here? Will they be able to perform the task? If the answers are, respectively, yes and no, then they shouldn't get the job.

Of course, I include sex in this as well, as I think many females in traditionally male jobs put a burden/can't do the job as well as a male. I'm a small girl; I really would be stupid to argue that I should be a police officer or construction worker, when a man of normal size could do the job ten times better, based on being taller, broader, and stronger.
 
2008-04-28 03:16:06 PM  
Githratx

I choose to be stupid? How is that? Not capitalizing in a Fark thread? You must have been at the top of your class. At Jenny Craig. I asked for special rights? Didn't realize that. Whoops. But seriously lets get back to the subject chunky. Fat people need to be made fun of and discriminated against. Nothing else has worked to get their fat asses in shape. Are you a biggun yourself? Try and look at your weight problems and don't worry about peoples use of big and small letters. I think if you are indeed a fatty Mcfatstein, you might want to go for smaller portions over larger. See. My grammer was so large I had to stick it on a diet so as not to confuse the massive masses. Yes, another pun intended.
 
2008-04-28 03:21:08 PM  
All those people that complain about having to pay for the health choices of the obese, fine. But do you have kids? Because having children is a choice, and I shouldn't have to pay for your bad choices. Do you smoke? Actually, do you play high-impact sports? How about risky behaviour like scuba diving? What kind of car do you drive- did you buy it for any reason other than its safety features? I don't think it's fair that I should have to pay for your bad choices.
 
2008-04-28 03:21:19 PM  
Not to take the spice out of your rant, but have you varied your workouts?

This is just something that has helped me, but taking kickboxing one day, lifting the next, boot camp class, then pilates the following day, etc. seems to have sped up my weight loss. Just something that might help you.

/unsolicited advice, I know


I don't know...my family exercises, but I'm the first one to ever to go a gym. We're all intellect-based, and weight training is a major "wtf?!" so I don't really know what I'm doing :)

Here is my routine though: 25 minutes on a bike/treadmill. 30 minutes on weight lifting machines (legs, arms), then 10 minutes doing crunches or leg lifts, and then stretching. That's all I gots...but I'm sure I could make it quicker, or less leisurely or something.

I can't do classes. Maybe I'll stay 12 my entire life, but I really hate classes :P It's just....bleah....poison to my soul.
 
2008-04-28 03:21:40 PM  
I agree, it should be decided on a case by case basis. Which is why I'm against any formal legislation preventing me from making that choice.

I'm also against legislation forcing me to not use gender as a factor in hiring decisions. Its very upsetting when you put a great deal of time and effort into training a woman only to have her leave to pursue a family.

Sadly, society mandates that I not use gender as a disqualifier and thus I have been burned by pregnant women many at time. Our society does not seem to believe that people can use their best judgment for these decisions and forces us into black and white situations. That is the most upsetting part of this for me.

For the record, obese people irritate me. The choice to allow ones self to get that large is something that I can not stomach. We are allowed to disqualify people for making bad personal choices - felony convictions, drug abuse, poor hygiene or attendance - what makes this bad choice so special as to deserve special treatment?
 
2008-04-28 03:23:28 PM  
PumpkinCake: That is definitely a problem. I'm trying to eat much more vegetables and water, and instead of feeding "munchies" to chew gum.

And...I will say, I have been doing the SouthBeach diet for a few weeks, and I've lost a few pounds. But not a lot.

And here is why I like eating: it's a fantastic spectrum of culture for me. When I read literature I note what kind of food they made, and I try to make it...and that's a bonding for me that I really enjoy. I love trying new foods because I like to experience what other people experience. Sometimes I go to the store and just get crazy stuff and try to figure out what to do with them...

...did I mention I am an artist? ya...

so, that's my perspective. Culinary stuff is really fascinating to me.


Damn.. Are you my ex? Heh. She loves food as art and just honestly appreciates good food and tastes. When you "love" food, that last ten can be a mindfark.

I have a curse of not caring much for eating. I eat when I'm hungry and don't snack much. As a result, I am a shiatty cook and miss having a food lover around.
 
2008-04-28 03:24:23 PM  
Farkshower1972 Quote 2008-04-28 01:40:52 PM
Marley'sGirl:

I'm a size 12, and it is freaking difficult to lose any weight. I go to the gym regularly, and it still doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'd also like to state for the record that my venom is purely aimed at the morbidly obese... the kind of disgusting slob that intakes thousands of empty calories daily and most likely needs a cane or wheelchair to schlepp their fat a$$es around.

A size 12 isn't likely to make a normal person lose their lunch at the mere sight of them. In fact, a size 12 can be pretty darn hot with the right distribution of said weight...


ya, point taken. I actually get mad at them too, but I figure if I can't lose these 10 pounds, I probably shouldn't get mad at them too much.

And it's all in my boobs and hips. I have the happiest husband on the planet.
 
2008-04-28 03:25:50 PM  
I used to be fat.
Lost 80 lbs.

Started smoking, bicycling, WORKING, and farking a hot little blonde, with almost no self-esteem, on a regular basis.

As a side note, i have celiac disease, which accounts medically for being a lazy lardass teenager.

Also, working in restaurants like Wendy's and Pizzahut quickly curbs one's appetite.

Now i can run a mile in under six minutes, have a flat stomach, and eat whatever the hell i damned please.

In retrospect, Fatties, my former self and family members included, are disgusting, offensive, lazy financial burdens.

/Walk, don't run
//the extra skin still hasn't gone away
 
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