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(Guardian)   Britons suffering skin cancer epidemic. The sun is there   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 94
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2008-04-27 10:38:17 AM
I want to see this headline in the best of Fark threads next winter. Brilliant. Good form.
 
2008-04-27 10:50:15 AM
i have friends that tan and they always try to get me to go. no thanks. i don't want to end up like my grandmother who, due to some kind of major skin issue, can't wear anything but long sleeves and pants because she worshipped the sun as a teenager.

/my dad used to make fun of me because i was the same color as the sand when we went to the beach.
 
2008-04-27 11:01:51 AM
Angostura: Having just had a friend die from a melanoma that started on his neck, I'm not getting a kick out of this. He wasn't particularly pale skinned, and certainly wasn't a sunworshipper.

My wife is getting a suspect mole removed next week.

And verucabong you don't really need the sun. Some of the worst sunburn I ever got was when swimming over a coral reef for a couple of hours in Australia. It was raining hard while I was snorkling, but I should have worn a T-shirt.


THIS. Some of the worst sunburns I have had were on cloudy days.

/5 years melanoma free
// have 20% chance of dying in the next 5 years due to cancer.
/// get a skin check by a dermatologist NOW.
//// Sunscreen / suncream is your friend, and you can still go outside and have fun.
// Platinum slashie sombrero
 
2008-04-27 11:09:52 AM
Got a laugh out of that one!
Subby gets +2
Timing is the key.
 
2008-04-27 11:11:35 AM
remember Azrael Abyss says "Stay out of the daylight!"

Oh and boobies don't look so good at age 40 when someone tanned a lot.
/chicken skin is teh nasty!
 
2008-04-27 11:29:12 AM
I'm naturally very pale, and prefer to stay that way for the most part. My legs could give people snow blindness, if viewed in direct sunlight. I'll make a point of using a bit of fake-n-bake on them for summer... but just enough to not look sickly.

I try to keep myself protected from the sun, though I don't use as much sunscreen as I should (they all sit on the skin and feel sticky). I'm constantly told that I look young for my age, and my mum gets told the same thing. I regularly see young woman my age who are frequent tanners, and they look at least 10 years older. I'd rather not look like some haggard cougar, thank you.
 
2008-04-27 11:33:10 AM
Huggermugger: There were millions of Britons living in tropical colonies in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, places like India and Kenya and Sudan and Egypt, where the sun was blazing mercilessly. I'm curious why they did not have high levels of skin cancers.

Malaria and dengue fever got them first.
 
2008-04-27 11:39:01 AM
Bad_Seed: Gin and whiskyMalaria and dengue fever got them first.
 
2008-04-27 11:48:25 AM
Asian women still worship the pasty look. My Korean hairdresser used to compliment me all the time on my whiteness, she thought I had some sort of beauty secret. I'm just a house hermit and the only light my skin ever sees is from the computer monitor.

/Cultivating a CRT tan in one of the sunniest climates on the planet, har har.
 
2008-04-27 11:53:54 AM
Huggermugger: There were millions of Britons living in tropical colonies in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, places like India and Kenya and Sudan and Egypt, where the sun was blazing mercilessly. I'm curious why they did not have high levels of skin cancers.

they kept their bloody clothes on.
 
2008-04-27 11:54:43 AM
I like pale girls. Well, when they're supposed to be anyway. I've never found overly tanned white girls attractive. It's kind of a trashy look, and their skin will look like jerky when they're older. I do love dark skin on people that are supposed to be dark skinned though, like Indian girls, Latinas, black girls, etc.
 
2008-04-27 11:55:54 AM
i11.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-27 12:00:36 PM
Bleck: remember Azrael Abyss says "Stay out of the daylight!"



internethut.com

"I wish I lived in the 17th century... then I wouldn't have to wash the car. I had to work a double shift at cinnabons today."
 
2008-04-27 12:15:47 PM
verucabong: I thought you needed sun to get skin cancer... This *is* England we're talking about.

And Spain.
 
2008-04-27 12:26:38 PM
www.amake.us
 
2008-04-27 12:36:44 PM
As a redhead who can get a great tan, I am unconcerned.
\I just rock like that
 
2008-04-27 12:41:47 PM
PumpkinCake: One of the dumbest quotes I've heard someone say about this is: "I don't believe in sunblock." Well good for you honey...*rolls eyes, refers back to cancer*


My occasionally dumb-as-a-stump aunt told us that she thinks sunscreen causes cancer. Because there certainly wasn't skin cancer when they were growing up!

Uh huh...

There does seem to be some genetics at play, for sure, though. None of my mom's side have had problems so far, and they are often very dumb (read: they go sleep in the sun for a few hours with no sunblock). I keep waiting for it to catch up to them.
 
2008-04-27 12:42:59 PM
FTA:Currently one in five North Americans and one in two Australians will develop some form of skin cancer in their lifetime.

Now there's a scary stat.
 
2008-04-27 01:04:13 PM
scamp-dun-emer: Huggermugger: There were millions of Britons living in tropical colonies in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, places like India and Kenya and Sudan and Egypt, where the sun was blazing mercilessly. I'm curious why they did not have high levels of skin cancers.

Because:

1/ Women were expected to have pale skin. They wore loads more clothes than a bikini and used parasols as often as possible [always].

2/ Men could only remove their longsleeved shirts when hanging out with only-other-men.

3/ Anyone who may have died from it could have been undiagnosed and, therefoe, unreported - especially in the colonies.


4/ These colonials were ladies and gentlemen (in the old British sense) who did not have any need to work out in the Sun. Indeed they were probably inside or sitting in the shade at Noon. a) Most of them did not do manual work at all b) even those who did outdoor manual work did it in the morning and/or evening if it was at all possible.

5/ With so people dying off because of malaria, etc. not to mention the occasional war, skin cancer would not get so much publicity especially a hundred years later.

6/ Huggermugger almost has not actually made any attempt to determine what rates of skin cancer actually were.
 
2008-04-27 01:04:41 PM
Too bad that some sunscreens are reported to be endocrine disruptors that feminize fish and kill coral. You can't win, I guess. Just stay inside and watch TV, like the cable TV commercials tell you.

UncleFriendly: I like pale girls. Well, when they're supposed to be anyway. I've never found overly tanned white girls attractive. It's kind of a trashy look, and their skin will look like jerky when they're older. I do love dark skin on people that are supposed to be dark skinned though, like Indian girls, Latinas, black girls, etc.

I agree. If you don't have naturally dark skin, tanning it will only make it worse.
 
2008-04-27 01:11:17 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: White mans curse burden.
 
2008-04-27 01:15:12 PM
Purple_Jack FTA:Currently one in five North Americans and one in two Australians will develop some form of skin cancer in their lifetime.

Now there's a scary stat.


It is a serious problem, but it's not as scary as that stat makes it out to be. The key phrase is "some form." The vast majority of those cases will probably be basal cell carcinoma which, from what i understand (IANAD), is basically a glorified zit if caught early.
 
2008-04-27 01:16:35 PM
As a follow up, the really nasty variety, melanoma, is much rarer. That kind can kill you, so you need to watch out for it.
 
2008-04-27 01:26:09 PM
Best headline ever
 
2008-04-27 01:28:36 PM
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older...
 
2008-04-27 01:32:53 PM
I turtle dove the headline. It made me hat and scarf! Subby is a chicken dinner!
 
2008-04-27 02:00:46 PM
TheMysteriousStranger: 4/ These colonials were ladies and gentlemen (in the old British sense) who did not have any need to work out in the Sun. Indeed they were probably inside or sitting in the shade at Noon. a) Most of them did not do manual work at all b) even those who did outdoor manual work did it in the morning and/or evening if it was at all possible.

The sun beats down so fiercely in those places that it's not necessary to strip down and do manual labor at noontime to get a massive dose of rays from the sun. Just taking an afternoon walk , even with a parasol and long sleeves, would still expose you to a huge amount of sunlight, particularly when the sunlight bounces off the bare beige ground.

The men tended to wear shorts and short-sleeved shirts during the day, especially in Africa, although they dressed up for dinner. They believed that wearing a cap or helmet on the head was the sufficient civilizing touch.

5/ With so people dying off because of malaria, etc. not to mention the occasional war, skin cancer would not get so much publicity especially a hundred years later.

A relatively small number of the British expats actually died in any armed conflict, and certainly not the women. Malaria rarely kills healthy adults - it's usually merely debilitating, and does not have a high mortality rate (most of the deaths are in children and pregnant women).

6/ Huggermugger almost has not actually made any attempt to determine what rates of skin cancer actually were.

I work in medical research, so it wouldn't take me too long to figure out how to get some numbers on that. And I grew up in the Middle East in 1950s/1960s diplomatic circles, and met quite a few British colonials. They did tend to return home to England when they retired, even if they'd spent most of their lives overseas, so the medical establishment would have been aware of their rates of disease.

/had a basal cell carcinoma removed from my face in my late 20s
//never wore sunscreen as a child, sunburned on a regular basis
///parents didn't know any better
////doomed
 
2008-04-27 02:24:46 PM
subby, I applaud you!
 
2008-04-27 03:27:49 PM
You can get sunburn and skin cancer without direct sunshine--quite a lot of UV radiation passes through haze and cloud cover. Risk depends on the length of exposure, the angle of incidence of the Sun's rays (hence latitude and time of year) and other factors, including skin type. British skin is very prone to sunburning. My sister has been asked what (Indian) band she belongs to by natives. I burn. I'm also smart enough to stay in the shade.
 
2008-04-27 03:28:48 PM
log_jammin: they should ban it

They need to tie in health care with those cameras they are so fond of. Outside without an umbrella? That's a disqualification, son.
 
2008-04-27 03:36:55 PM
I'd like to see some stats on skin cancer rates in the 1890s. I googled briefly and found that in the US cancer became a public concern around 1913. People had better things to worry about than ailments that afflict mainly the elderly and the poor. But US life expectancy at birth in 1900 was only 42. If you made it to colonizing age (20-30) you could expect to live to 60-65. British stats should be similar, give or take five years or so.
 
2008-04-27 03:43:20 PM
Sun tanning became fashionable in the 1920s. Coco Chanel, who ended up with skin like Morocco leather, was the tipping point. This was about the same time the British began the mass colonization of Mediterranean beaches and marinas. The fashion in France shifted from northern beaches (like those in Proust) to Biaritz and the Riviera. Skin exposure and time exposed rose rapidly from the 1920s onward. Proust was an invalid by the time the fashion changed.
 
2008-04-27 03:50:48 PM
I'd point out the global warming connection but in this case, the British are poor bellweathers. They're just stupid. They freeze to death at much higher rates than Canadians--not because the climate is harsh, but because they under-dress and engage in activity such as snow-shoveling (when they get an inch or two) and then have heart-attacks a few days later. They're similarly stupid about the Sun and apparently English gentlemen still don't carry umbrellas in the country. Their homes are under-insulated and under-heated.
 
2008-04-27 04:50:05 PM
image.guim.co.uk

Let me show you how to properly apply sunscreen. UV goes through the bathing costume material so go ahead and take it right off. Now I'll just put four ounces in each palm and apply vigorously. We'll have to repeat this every 4 hours and every time you go swimming but I don't mind a bit.
 
2008-04-27 04:52:08 PM
brantgoose: I'd point out the global warming connection but in this case, the British are poor bellweathers. They're just stupid. They freeze to death at much higher rates than Canadians--not because the climate is harsh, but because they under-dress and engage in activity such as snow-shoveling (when they get an inch or two) and then have heart-attacks a few days later. They're similarly stupid about the Sun and apparently English gentlemen still don't carry umbrellas in the country. Their homes are under-insulated and under-heated.

It doesn't get cold in most of the UK, hence, the female population walking around half-naked in winter when they go clubbing. Only really up in Scotland and northern England does it get cold for more than a few days a year, on the coast you don't get snow more than twice a year, I have lived in coastal Wales for 4 winters and only remember one snow that stuck to the pavements. Usually the rain clears it if the warm pavements don't melt totally.

Umbrella are pretty useless most of the year here. It is rarely rainy without strong winds, you end up getting more wet with an umbrella than with a long rain coat because you end up fighting the wind. You see broken umbrellas on a regular basis hanging out of bins. I gave up on umbrellas a couple of years ago because of the annoyance of them. The only time you really rain with the strong winds is when it is warm, and then most people don't really care about being wet because we don't use air conditioners for the most part.
 
2008-04-27 06:40:13 PM
Summer was always fraught with danger when I lived over there, but if it fell on a Saturday we just stayed inside...
 
2008-04-27 08:03:01 PM
Headline of the year and if you don't think so here is a picture of a wizard burning some peeps.

i294.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-28 02:27:16 AM
(Big, floppy-brimmed) hats off to Subby. +1.
 
2008-04-28 09:30:43 AM
Z1P2,

Wow, from skin cancer to nazis in zero time. Impressive.
 
2008-04-28 11:38:19 AM
So, you say the pale look is in? Great! I avoid the sun at all costs to avoid aging, and I'm allergic to self-tanners, so "pasty white" is really my only skin tone option.

However, despite any public scares about melanomas, I'm sure the younger folks here in Philadelphia aren't going to give up their tanning salons any time soon. Most UPenn students I see are this weird orangey-caramel shade.
 
2008-04-28 11:40:35 AM
golfclap
 
2008-04-28 05:12:02 PM
verucabong: I thought you needed sun to get skin cancer... This *is* England we're talking about.

If the sun don't come you get your skin cancer from standing in the English rain

/goo goo goo joob
 
2008-04-28 11:20:27 PM
Echoic: I wonder how many times this headline is going to get recycled, greenlit, and put on the voting page before people realize that this headline is just ripped off from the month before.

-1

/wet blanket


THIS. Why not link to a SUN article with this headline?

-1
 
2008-04-29 03:21:34 AM
great headline
 
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