Thune: keithgabryelski: Thune: Koalaesq: wolvernova

Unless you believe that Obama was either (a) influenced by or (b) agrees with Wright, why care what Wright says?

Um yeah, A and B sound about right.

I wouldnt spend 20 years in a Klan church if I didnt agree with them.

It seems a stretch to say Wright's sermons were like Klan church meetings.

It seems there is plenty of recordings of Wright's sermons although there is only some number of minutes of stuff that
is what people are complaining about.

We can discuss what he said and why I think some is out of line (crazy) and some is defensible.

But you don't seem to be complaining about Wrights words but about Obama sitting in the church of a man that said those words.

Is it possible Obama never heard those words? I'd say yeah.
Is it possible Obama heard hard-hitting sermons and thought the benefit to the community out-weighed the detriment: yeah, probably.

Obama's actions seem to fit giving him some slack on these matters (Just as McCain's acts seem to fit giving him some slack on the religious nuts that have endorsed him).

I am deeply concerned about someone who would sit for 20 years and not be appalled by that filth.

I am also disgusted by the massive double standard.

Imus says "Nappy headed ho" on the air and Obama says "that guy would no longer be working for me".

However, he will allow his children to absorb the racist hatred of Wrights sermons and thats ok.

I'm sorry, this is just not presidential material.

again, Obama says he never heard sermons like the one that people are complaining about. Obama also claims most of the sermons he was present for were uplifting.

I find it believable that Wright sectioned off his sermons (he made three sermons each week) tuning them for a specific audience (hard hitting, kinder gentler, mainstream). I can also see how someone going to one of the sermons would never hear of the other two.

Thune:

Oh its that easy?

Bush lied, soldiers died

Man.. I really need to learn the rules around here.

I'm not sure what you are getting at.

are you calling "bush lied, soldier's died" a canard and that people's use of it is unfair to the bush administration?

and that unfairness is like the unfairness applied to Barack Obama when people say "Obama doesn't love this country because he doesn't wear a flag pin".

Really?

welcome to 2004 all the fark over again...

Someone is going to find a video of Obama falling off a waverunner or something.

wolvernova: So Hagee is an asshole, Wright's fine though, right?

/see what i did?

Yeah. That's the right thing to say to people.

For me:

I don't like McCain because of that crazy ass. I don't like McCain because McCain's an actual flip-flopper. Forget "I was against the war before I was for it", it's "I was against the war before I was for the war at which point I was also against the war and became forgainst the war and now I am agfor it".

"Torture's bad mmmkay?"
(closed door session with Bush)
"LOLZ I HEART TEH TORTUR IZ OK"

Plus he's faking being a neocon with his "100 year" occupation of Iraq if needed. Pandering ass.

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I don't like Obama being a "social program to fix a complex problem" Democrat. I don't think he will change much. I don't think he'll be able to do most of the things he sets himself out to do.

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Hillary is not someone people should even WANT for President. She's ruthless and vindictive in the primaries. I don't need to see that until they take office. I don't want to know what she's like in office. She can't even handle competition. She's a liar and has more skeletons than a closet in Pompeii. She thinks this race is owed to her, and she's going to do whatever it takes to win. No thanks. I would rather have someone do whatever it takes to turn this country around. Plus, she sponsored a farking Flag-burning amendment. How retarded is that?

So out of all of them, Obama is the least odious. I don't care if his Pastor was crazy or not. Obama is not. I don't care if he knew Tony Rezko and had dealings with him or not. There is nothing there, there will be nothing there, and Clinton "I may have 10 scandals tied to me but you can still trust me" and McCain "I love lobbyists, possibly literally" doesn't do it for me.

As for Change and Hope: no, I don't think he will do a lot there, but he's got some interesting campaign and congressional reform ideas and for christsake, let's at least TRY to change things. Geez, stop whining about how bad Washington is and at least give it a try. Better than sitting on our thumbs whimpering about it.

McCain will win the Presidency. There is nothing left but Pastor this, Socialist that and Muslim this for Obama, and Hillary will be shiatting mud for a year after she gets the nom. I am trying to figure out if McCain will pick Romney. If so, that's your new President in 2 years.

Thune: Im stating that I can make anything untrue just by drawing a line through it, just as the responder did.

oh, well, if you disagreed with any of the things I crossed out you should present your argument to the specific point.

Thune:
I do not believe he spent 20 years as part of that church and did not know the sermons that reverend Wright was preeching.

It defies logic.

Ok, then. You are understood, you believe Obama is lying when he says he did not about specifics of Wright's sermon just after 9/11.

To be clear, I believe him.

It's all good -- that's what makes this a ball game.