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2008-04-23 11:02:51 AM  
I have a cousin who's killing himself with alcoholism.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2008-04-23 11:02:57 AM  
As my granpappy always used to say, "As long as you have your wellness!"
 
2008-04-23 11:03:47 AM  
mattknows: Sybarite: Those insurance forms can be pretty confusing. Maybe they all accidentally checked the NO box and thought they were checking the NONE OF YOUR GODDAMN BUSINESS box.

THIS


Again....underwriting. You want to increase your health risk? You insurance costs more.

Do you have a problem with speeding tickets increasing your car inurance? If so, you're an idiot.
 
2008-04-23 11:03:53 AM  
MDGeist: Yea another "I hate Smokers" Fark thread!

It's amusing to see the same people that post pictures of little under age girls in their underwear try to come down on others for their bad habits.


The persecution complex has reached it's peak.
 
2008-04-23 11:04:00 AM  
MyFarkIsWorseThanMyBite: When you ask an insurance company to carry the costs of your addictions and bad health, it's their business then, you want to keep it a private thing? Pay your own health care costs out of pocket. You want someone else to pay when you get lung cancer? You gotta let them know you're an addict.

Period


The funny thing about insurance companies is that they tend to engage in a group think type of mentality.

Once one company finds a way to increase their profit margin, even if that would drive customers away to another insurance company due to intrusiveness or being nonsensical, the other insurance companies almost immediately adopt that idea. So, you don't see people switching to another insurance company out of protest for the change.

Given how much more intrusive insurance companies have become, I expect every insurance company to ask how many sexual partners I have per year and whether or not I use protection within the next 20 years.
 
2008-04-23 11:04:03 AM  
MyFarkIsWorseThanMyBite:
When you ask an insurance company to carry the costs of your addictions and bad health, it's their business then, you want to keep it a private thing? Pay your own health care costs out of pocket. You want someone else to pay when you get lung cancer? You gotta let them know you're an addict.

Period


How about the state stops requiring me to pay insurance for breast cancer, dentures, viagra, fertility treatments, etc etc etc, all of which I may not need, and definitely don't want. Let me choose a catastrophic only plan for $15 or $20 a month. How about that asshats?
 
2008-04-23 11:04:08 AM  
MDGeist: Yea another "I hate Smokers" Fark thread!

It's amusing to see the same people that post pictures of little under age girls in their underwear try to come down on others for their bad habits.


I don't hate smokers. In fact I always defend their rights on smoker threads.

But you see, this thread isn't about smoking, it's about perpetrating insurance fraud. The "over what item" is actually not relevant to the discussion. They could have lied about drinking beer, the idea would be the same.
 
2008-04-23 11:04:21 AM  
Duke_Phillips: Fark is so helpful, I've learned that the most persecuted people on the planet are white male Christians who smoke. Poor guys

Not one single comment in this thread claims anyone is being persecuted, nor does the headline, nor does the article. Let's try again:

Fark is so helpful, I've learned that Duke_Phillips is a bit of an ignorant twat who will bring his own conclusions to a thread no matter how little it has to do with what is actually being said there.

Better.
 
2008-04-23 11:05:05 AM  
Megsabelle: Thirded. They lied to save a few bucks- it's fraud. Would all of the pro-smoker's rights people be singing the same tune if they had lied about having dependents on their tax forms? Or lied about their legal status here in the US?

People do this all the time. "Forget" to mention conditions, prescriptions, past surgeries, etc. They're not doing anything but screwing themselves because the first time they have an issue related to something they didn't disclose....coverage cancelled. Then of course they'll get on the news and try to villainize the insurance companies for doing their jobs.
 
2008-04-23 11:05:11 AM  
FTFA: "We shouldn't have to give employers complete control over our private life so they can save a few dollars on medical care," he said.

If you choose to smoke, you can pay the extra premiums the insurance company charges to insure smokers. The company is not telling you not to smoke, they're asking you a question that has a direct impact on the premiums they (and you) will have to pay to insure you. If you lie on the form, you're essentially commiting insurance fraud.
 
2008-04-23 11:05:13 AM  
What other risky behaviors does the insurance company charge more for? Drinking? Homosexuality? Whoring? Eating high fat foods? Drug use? Reckless driving?
 
2008-04-23 11:05:15 AM  
Feelthevelvet: I totally ratted them out. I saw all 39 of them smoking in the restroom between 5th and 6th periods.

And one of them had already been busted for chewing gum last week.


Giggle I lol'd
 
2008-04-23 11:05:35 AM  
downtownkid: Duke_Phillips: Fark is so helpful, I've learned that the most persecuted people on the planet are white male Christians who smoke. Poor guys

Not one single comment in this thread claims anyone is being persecuted, nor does the headline, nor does the article. Let's try again:

Fark is so helpful, I've learned that Duke_Phillips is a bit of an ignorant twat who will bring his own conclusions to a thread no matter how little it has to do with what is actually being said there.

Better.


You're silly if you think that this entire website isn't chock full of people claiming that they are persecuted by "the man".
 
2008-04-23 11:05:36 AM  
cryinoutloud: I'm a good hard worker and I don't have health insurance.

You're not very smart if you can't find a job that pays for health insurance or you can't get in with a union.
 
2008-04-23 11:05:57 AM  
Cue the ACLU?

Not because they were fired for lying about tobacco use, but because of the clause in the paperwork. Yeah, they were in the wrong for lying, and I understand the reasoning behind it, but I'm not sure that's the way to encourage a healthier lifestyle. Make those who do whatever you're trying to discourage pay toward the insurance. Money is a great (de)motivator. Otherwise, what's next - firing me for eating double cheeseburgers and not going to the gym?

Or, you could institute my father's idea - give nonsmokers an extra two weeks' vacation, to make up for all the breaks the smokers take.
 
2008-04-23 11:06:01 AM  
NONE OF YOUR GODDAMN BUSINESS box.

It is insurance. So it is their business. If you lie on the forms, that is insurance fraud. It's probably best they get fired before claiming on it and going to jail...
 
2008-04-23 11:06:17 AM  
So, what's the big deal? They agreed they did not, and probably would not, use tobacco and then got caught at it.

Can't say I'm surprised. I've been to Evansville on business a few times, and smoking is like a farkin' religion for them.

/glad that client moved away
 
2008-04-23 11:06:20 AM  
The company I work for used to offer a non-smoker incentive on health insurance - it was around $10 per pay period every 2 weeks taken off the health insurance deduction in your paycheck.

I smoked, and I admitted it to the company, so I lost out on about $210 per year that most of the people I smoked with on breaks were getting. I was given every reason under the sun to justify this behavior - but honestly folks, it's just an extra 10 bucks (most of which you don't even see). The peace of mind knowing that my shiatty health insurance would at least cover something if I needed it was worth more than that. I never lied to my doctors about smoking, so it was documented - why would I lie to my company to save a few bucks and risk losing my insurance due to fraud?
 
2008-04-23 11:06:22 AM  
question_dj: I think you're missing what I'm getting at.

If the employee opts out of their employers insurance program, why should they be held to the policy if it's only being implemented to save on the employers medical costs? The employee buying their own insurance privately is saving the company money.


And I think you're missing the point of this article:

1 - Whirlpool allows employees to smoke and provides "smoking shelters" for them to do so if they choose to.
2 - These 39 employees signed official company forms saying that they didn't smoke in order to get a break on their insurance costs ($500/year).
3 - They then decided to smoke on company premises, which got them suspended.

There's nothing about a Whirlpool policy that prohibits smoking, nor does it have anything to do with employees who opted out of the company provided insurance.
 
2008-04-23 11:06:35 AM  
Tucci: Smokers can be such assholes sometimes.

So can non-smokers.
 
2008-04-23 11:06:46 AM  
SpacePunk: The president of the company probably claimed to not use tobacco products, but still lights his cigars with hundred dollar bills.

It's good to be the king.
 
2008-04-23 11:06:49 AM  
NightOwl2255: Here's an idea. Your company can fire you for ANY reason (other then the protected ones of course, race, sex, etc.). Oh, that's not an idea, that's the law. Now STFU and GBTW.

/Oh, and farking union workers. The scourge of the planet.
//Just kidding. Unions are great. If your unskilled and want to get paid $30 buck an hour to do a job that a monkey or a robot could do.
///Slashes are for the union workers! They built this country, and everyone of them are still on the payrolls.


Next time you want electric, plumbing, carpentry, or any other trade to be repaired in your home, make sure you tell the unions how much of a "scourge" they are.
 
2008-04-23 11:06:54 AM  
For those who think it isn't fair to charge higher insurance rates to smokers:

However, if you consider the cost of smoking, you would find that smoking costs up to $167 billion every year and $75 billion in direct medical expenses. Thus, every year more than $3400, costs for health insurance coverage and lost productivity for every smoker. Naturally, this gears up the unexpected rise in the health insurance cost.

It has been further deduced, that while each smoker is paying $5 per pack, the same pack of cigarette costs nearly $40 for the society.


Link(new window)
 
2008-04-23 11:07:08 AM  
Pocket Ninja:The company itself provides shelters for smokers, which clearly demonstrates that it is not opposed in any way to smokers and does take their needs into consideration.

Needs? please.
 
2008-04-23 11:07:22 AM  
Sybarite: Those insurance forms can be pretty confusing. Maybe they all accidentally checked the NO box and thought they were checking the NONE OF YOUR GODDAMN BUSINESS box.

The "None of Your Goddamn Business" box is located on the unemployment form. If you VOLUNTARILY choose to work for a private company, then if they ask, it IS their business.
 
2008-04-23 11:07:22 AM  
Easy way out: "At the time I filled in the form, I wasn't a smoker."

I wonder what the hell chewing tobacco has to do with anything though. No smoke, no lung cancer, right?
 
2008-04-23 11:07:24 AM  
Pocket Ninja: Just talking off the top of my head here, but if you sign official papers for your employer claiming one thing, and it turns out upon examination that thing is completely untrue, you're pretty much asking to be fired. It would be one thing if the company had gone through with pruning shears and cut everybody who admitted to smoking. That's not what happened. They cut the people who were caught *lying*. Lying. Smoking. Not the same thing, although there will be lots of people in here wanting very much for it to be. These people were just trying to avoid the extra premiums charged by their health insurance carrier for smokers--or, in other words, happily passing on their higher costs to their unsuspecting co-workers. Fark them.


maybe they started smoking after they signed it.
 
2008-04-23 11:08:00 AM  
littlemissinformation: Tucci: Smokers can be such assholes sometimes.

So can non-smokers.


i saw a woman smoke with her vagina once.
/just trying to be all-inclusive
 
2008-04-23 11:08:13 AM  
Duke_Phillips: Fark is so helpful, I've learned that the most persecuted people on the planet are white male Christians who smoke. Poor guys

It would appear that learning isn't your strong suit.
 
2008-04-23 11:08:16 AM  
ronaprhys: question_dj: I think you're missing what I'm getting at.

If the employee opts out of their employers insurance program, why should they be held to the policy if it's only being implemented to save on the employers medical costs? The employee buying their own insurance privately is saving the company money.

And I think you're missing the point of this article:

1 - Whirlpool allows employees to smoke and provides "smoking shelters" for them to do so if they choose to.
2 - These 39 employees signed official company forms saying that they didn't smoke in order to get a break on their insurance costs ($500/year).
3 - They then decided to smoke on company premises, which got them suspended.

There's nothing about a Whirlpool policy that prohibits smoking, nor does it have anything to do with employees who opted out of the company provided insurance.


This.
Seems like there is no shortage of people on Fark who want to complain about "the man".
 
2008-04-23 11:08:28 AM  
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: cryinoutloud

I'm a good hard worker and I don't have health insurance. Good thing I don't get sick, and haven't hurt myself, or I'd be living in my car. Some people don't know how easy they have it.

You should join a union.


I can't--I work for the feds. They only hire most of us for six-month long stints, so they don't have to pay insurance. They're not stupid. That's why they get to run THE WHOLE THING.

But they did buy me some nice work boots last summer. : )
 
2008-04-23 11:08:39 AM  
I'm torn on this. I'm a non smoker, but I couldn't give a shiat if you smoke. Many people I know do. I do a lot of stupid shiat that puts me in high risk for insurance: Sleep with easy girls, mt bike, snowboard, drink a lot, roll on saturdays, drive like a crazy person, run long distance, smoke crack, hike in the middle of no place in all sorts of bad weather... and so on.
shiat in all likelihood I'll die younger and get hurt more than most smokers who just sit around like lazy bastards. Insurance is so absurdly expensive anyway. shiat I think my work pays $500 a month, before I chip in a few bucks. That isn't due only to smokers, I mean sure part of it is but for the most part it is due to the industry making insane profit.
But you shouldn't lie on a form like that when they could figure out the truth.

I think I had a point in there someplace.
 
2008-04-23 11:09:11 AM  
Mayhem of the Black Underclass: How about the state stops requiring me to pay insurance for breast cancer, dentures, viagra, fertility treatments, etc etc etc, all of which I may not need, and definitely don't want. Let me choose a catastrophic only plan for $15 or $20 a month. How about that asshats?

They do allow you to do that, it's called save money and pay out of pocket. You know you do get to deduct that expense right? As well, most employers offer you a cafeteria type savings plan on a yearly basis.

A little thought can go a long way into being free of intrusive companies and government regs, just be self reliant.
 
2008-04-23 11:09:51 AM  
Genius in France: For those who think it isn't fair to charge higher insurance rates to smokers:

However, if you consider the cost of smoking, you would find that smoking costs up to $167 billion every year and $75 billion in direct medical expenses. Thus, every year more than $3400, costs for health insurance coverage and lost productivity for every smoker. Naturally, this gears up the unexpected rise in the health insurance cost.

It has been further deduced, that while each smoker is paying $5 per pack, the same pack of cigarette costs nearly $40 for the society.

Link(new window)


There's NO consensus among doctors that smoking is bad for you.

This is all propaganda from the anti-smoking zaelots.

/See how stupid that sounds Climate Change deniers?
 
2008-04-23 11:10:01 AM  
SchlingFo: cryinoutloud: I'm a good hard worker and I don't have health insurance.

You're not very smart if you can't find a job that pays for health insurance or you can't get in with a union.


So I can be a cubicle dweller like you guys? No thank you.
 
2008-04-23 11:10:27 AM  
Sybarite: Those insurance forms can be pretty confusing. Maybe they all accidentally checked the NO box and thought they were checking the NONE OF YOUR GODDAMN BUSINESS box.

If this was Florida and we were talking about folks farking up reading a ballot I could see this happening. Them are confuzin ~_~
 
2008-04-23 11:11:03 AM  
toonz: Still not drug testing congress or the CEO's, I see.

Or the workers in the article.
 
2008-04-23 11:11:08 AM  
justanotherfarkinfarker: I'm torn on this. I'm a non smoker, but I couldn't give a shiat if you smoke. Many people I know do. I do a lot of stupid shiat that puts me in high risk for insurance: Sleep with easy girls, mt bike, snowboard, drink a lot, roll on saturdays, drive like a crazy person, run long distance, smoke crack, hike in the middle of no place in all sorts of bad weather... and so on.
shiat in all likelihood I'll die younger and get hurt more than most smokers who just sit around like lazy bastards. Insurance is so absurdly expensive anyway. shiat I think my work pays $500 a month, before I chip in a few bucks. That isn't due only to smokers, I mean sure part of it is but for the most part it is due to the industry making insane profit.
But you shouldn't lie on a form like that when they could figure out the truth.

I think I had a point in there someplace.


There it is.
 
2008-04-23 11:11:18 AM  
Genius in France: For those who think it isn't fair to charge higher insurance rates to smokers:

Fatties cost much more, but the feds have designated obesity as a disease, so they get a pass.
 
2008-04-23 11:11:26 AM  
DownTheRabbitHole: NightOwl2255: Here's an idea. Your company can fire you for ANY reason (other then the protected ones of course, race, sex, etc.). Oh, that's not an idea, that's the law. Now STFU and GBTW.

/Oh, and farking union workers. The scourge of the planet.
//Just kidding. Unions are great. If your unskilled and want to get paid $30 buck an hour to do a job that a monkey or a robot could do.
///Slashes are for the union workers! They built this country, and everyone of them are still on the payrolls.

Next time you want electric, plumbing, carpentry, or any other trade to be repaired in your home, make sure you tell the unions how much of a "scourge" they are.


Why would I need to hire union workers to do work on my home? I'll hire somebody with just as much skill, who does it for half the labor cost and is happy to have the work. Then I can afford better materials. And we'll both sit there and laugh at those union pricks who expect the world for half the effort it takes to earn the world.
 
2008-04-23 11:11:38 AM  
People can complain about how smoking drives up the cost of insurance, that's what the insurance companies want you to believe. The fact is that the cost of insurance would be as high as it is now if smoking never existed. They simply would find something else to blame their business plan of raising prices while denying coverage on something else.
 
2008-04-23 11:12:05 AM  
arkansas: When somebody else pays for your life they can sort of call its shots.

Only if you think such a thing is ok. We should make that illegal. The entire point of insurance is to spread risk, instead it has turned into limiting risk and making obscene profits.
 
2008-04-23 11:12:09 AM  
Next they need to have the following sign papers as well (due to associated health risk)
*Fat people
*Gay people (not that there is anything wrong with that)
*Sexually active people
*people who breathe
*people who drive
*people who eat fast food
and on and on
 
2008-04-23 11:12:12 AM  
DownTheRabbitHole: Next time you want electric, plumbing, carpentry, or any other trade to be repaired in your home, make sure you tell the unions how much of a "scourge" they are.


There's absolutely no shortage of non-union tradesmen. None whatsoever.

 
2008-04-23 11:12:17 AM  
Welcome to The Corporation.

You will eat what we tell you to eat.
You will drink what we tell you to drink.
You will exercise when we tell you to exercise.
Your body weight will remain within a certain range.
You will not participate in hobbies we determine to be risky.
 
2008-04-23 11:12:20 AM  
If I worked there, you could call it Whirlppool by this afternoon.

/reflections of my dad's Motel 6 pool jokes every summer.
 
2008-04-23 11:12:29 AM  
bigbottom
Ever read 1984? Big Brother IS watching you! Your personal Liberty is goin' down the tubes. I suggest everybody just quit smoking, then the Government will have to look elsewhere to get all of that tax money, perhaps the money could come equally from all of us instead of just from us smokers, seems more fair to me.

why yes, I have read 1984... great book.

But about that government that takes in taxes and those hospitals that take care of all the smokers with their health problems... cancer and such... seems like i've been paying higher premiums to cover those smoker only ailments for a lot of smokers for many years... seems like the extra premiums for smokers is the part that makes it 'more fair'!
 
2008-04-23 11:12:44 AM  
Pocket Ninja: I_C_Weener: Have you ever had premarital sex?

More than 2 partners?

Do you use a prophylactic or go bareback?

Are you a screamer or do you just sit there?

Any of those things might impact your employment if you decided to, you know, do them at the office.



Actually, they could have an effect if they were done outside of the office.

For instance, unprotected promiscuous sex is probably the biggest risk factor for HIV/AIDS. Treating an HIV patient is expensive, and with the average lifespan of an HIV infected person now stretching into decades, a long term commitment.

So it is EXACTLY like smoking, and it doesn't have to happen on company property for it to effect the bottom line.
 
2008-04-23 11:12:50 AM  
Double edged sword. While I have no problem stringing folks up who commit insurance fraud (which is essentially what these people did), I am tired of seeing smokers singled out as the ones who get picked on when it comes to stuff like this.

Why doesn't the same plan offer breaks for people who aren't obese? What about a break for people who go to the gym a few times a week?

Your average fatty costs far more in healthcare costs than your average smoker does. Why don't I get a break for not being a lardass?
 
2008-04-23 11:13:01 AM  
While I think this is exemplary of the nanny state and whatnot, it's a question of priorities. If you want to work somewhere less intrusive, find out what those places are, and build a skill-set that will allow you to work there. we're competing with a world-wide job market now. You can sit there and cry as the tidal wave approaches or you can run your ass to higher ground.

your call.

you don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with it. but there it is.
 
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