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(London Times)   So who killed American television? Looks like it was Steve Jobs   (timesonline.co.uk) divider line 67
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2008-04-22 07:04:16 AM
American TV is just committing suicide with the incessant Idol, Wife Swap, etc crap they foist upon is.
Anybody remember Newton Minnow?
(No it wasn't a fish cookie)
 
2008-04-22 07:07:31 AM
ABC, NBC, CBS, TBS, and FOX, just to name a few.

Congress helped, and the FCC was there with the icing.
 
2008-04-22 07:22:22 AM
Fewer people watching TV? It can't be the nice weather we've been having. Unpossible.
 
2008-04-22 07:45:01 AM
Focus groups.
 
2008-04-22 08:23:57 AM
Encouragement from Neds Atomic Dustbin?
 
2008-04-22 08:34:17 AM
The cancellation of Lou Grant?
 
2008-04-22 08:40:14 AM
Considering that Video killed the Radio Star, I just assumed that Radio Star's son was out looking for revenge.
 
2008-04-22 08:41:53 AM
Steve Jobs invented Big Brother, American Idol, So You Think You Can Dance, America's Got Talent, The Bachelor, Date My Mom, Jackass and the entire Let's Just Make Another Show About The Daily Life Of Some B-List Celeb portfolio that's on MTV 24/7?

He must die!
 
2008-04-22 09:05:15 AM
Well, the writers' strike certainly didn't help. Then again, now that they're back TV still sucks.

/Bring back Maynard G. Krebs.
 
2008-04-22 09:20:37 AM
TV had this coming. Justice has finally been served after all of these long years.

Radio Star, you can finally rest in peace.
 
2008-04-22 09:21:36 AM
American TV sucked itself to death.
 
2008-04-22 09:28:30 AM
you know, not that i'm one to gripe, but it's probably that whole "Let's cancel shows that we dislike personally, regardless of their merit."

/futurama.
 
2008-04-22 09:31:32 AM
Maybe people have other sources of media you know like the internet
 
2008-04-22 09:34:58 AM
They have the internet on computers now!
 
2008-04-22 09:38:04 AM
krupintupple: /futurama.

/Arrested Development.
 
2008-04-22 09:38:11 AM
One of the comments after the article was far batter than the article itself....

"American networks have failed to grasp what the BBC captured perfectly with the iPlayer. People are too busy to sit down at a regular time each night to watch a show that may-or-may-not be worth the time invested. But give people a chance to watch what they want, *when* they want and they'll make their own TV schedules."
 
2008-04-22 09:42:15 AM
I was faithfully watching Chuck, Heroes and Pushing Daisies until the writers strike. I haven't even checked to see if they're doing new episodes or reruns or pulled them completely from the schedule. I have no interest in TV anymore.
 
2008-04-22 09:43:29 AM
The Onanist: krupintupple: /futurama.

/Arrested Development.


/Journeyman
 
2008-04-22 09:43:44 AM
Cornwell
Steve Jobs invented Big Brother, American Idol, So You Think You Can Dance, America's Got Talent, The Bachelor, Date My Mom, Jackass and the entire Let's Just Make Another Show About The Daily Life Of Some B-List Celeb portfolio that's on MTV 24/7?

He must die!


You forgot MILF Island!
 
2008-04-22 09:52:44 AM
Isotope, I don't know where you live, but we're getting snow in my corner of creation. It's the crappy sort of snow where the temperature is cold, but there's not enough snow to actually be useful. Not exactly weather that makes me want to get out.

Not that there's anything on TV worth watching most nights.
 
2008-04-22 09:56:12 AM
Wait, network TV still exists?
 
2008-04-22 09:57:41 AM
Funny, I don't know anybody within a 50 mile radius of me that owns an iphone
 
2008-04-22 09:58:39 AM
Steve Jobs has become a very popular scape goat.

/Mo' money, mo' problems.
 
2008-04-22 10:09:02 AM
I blame Survivor. It spawned all of this reality TV horseshiat that stays on the networks because it appeals to the lowest common denominator, the dumbass. All the good programming is either pushed to cable (BSG) or canceled (Arrested Development) because its audience impact work more like a rifle round than buckshot.
 
2008-04-22 10:20:24 AM
busy chillin':
You forgot MILF Island!


For whatever it's worth, MILF Island was an episode of 30 Rock and not a real-world reality series...

/.. so far
 
2008-04-22 10:28:36 AM
I blame cable and satellite TV companies who want to charge $50/mo for three useful channels and forty-seven others filled with Hawaii Five-O, Gilligan's Island and Magnum repeats, "sports" like D-List Celebrity Poker, the 24-hour kitsch shopping network, and the music-video-channel-that-doesn't-play-music-videos channel. Not to mention Dish TV charges a $5/mo surcharge for not having a land-line phone. WTF is a "land-line" phone?

No, I don't pay for cable/satellite TV nor have an iPhone.

/rant over, get off of my lawn
//South Park is on teh intartubes, anyway
 
2008-04-22 10:28:55 AM
espiaboricua

Nothin' gets passed you Lemon.
 
2008-04-22 10:29:55 AM
RubberFootMan: One of the comments after the article was far batter than the article itself....

"American networks have failed to grasp what the BBC captured perfectly with the iPlayer. People are too busy to sit down at a regular time each night to watch a show that may-or-may-not be worth the time invested. But give people a chance to watch what they want, *when* they want and they'll make their own TV schedules."


Agreed. I'm sure the iPlayer will have a dramatic effect on viewing figures. I certainly find I spend less time flicking through channels trying to find something to watch. Now the TV I want to watch is on when I have time to watch it.
 
2008-04-22 10:38:28 AM
More media options = fewer users of any one media.

Is it really that hard to figure out?


/only watches lost
//downloads it via xbox live
 
2008-04-22 10:42:15 AM
For me, the big networks offer absolutely nothing that I'd want to watch (well, with the exception of The Simpsons and Family Guy). The littler networks such as discovery however, consistently have good shows on that I find myself watching all the time. ie Discovery, Animal Planet, History Channel, Nation Geographic, etc.

I honestly couldn't tell you what the 'major' sitcoms are today. And the funny thing is, I'm not being elitist, I'm kinda surprised myself by this because I used to be a huge TV fan.


And yes to bring back Futurama and Arrested Development. Double heck yes.
 
2008-04-22 10:53:46 AM
The Numbers: Agreed. I'm sure the iPlayer will have a dramatic effect on viewing figures. I certainly find I spend less time flicking through channels trying to find something to watch. Now the TV I want to watch is on when I have time to watch it.

Oh yes. I get my TV from Virgin Media - which allows me to watch a lots of the week's TV on demand. Now I never miss Doctor Who.

I can also watch the brainy BBC4 programmes after Mrs RubberFootMan has gone to bed. Bliss.
 
2008-04-22 10:56:37 AM
LCuz: s are today. And the funny thing is, I'm not being elitist, I'm kinda surprised myself by this because I used to be

Agreed. I can say I've totally changed my viewing habits. When I was younger, I would watch whatever was on network.

Tonight, I'm actually a bit pissed off that I can't watch the season premier of Deadliest Catch, AND The Universe.

So,I'll be calling my wife, and telling her DVR one for me.

Assuming that it doesn't conflict with her Dancing with Celebrities Idol-Life with Bret Michaels.
 
2008-04-22 10:59:32 AM
Bring on Ow! MyBalls!

/also HonkBag.
 
2008-04-22 11:11:20 AM
Big Media bosses have brought the 'tv drought' on themselves.

With the whim of a school child they cancel new shows without any wrap up and then they expect the viewer to tune into the "latest new CRAZE!!!!"

Are you kidding me?

Thanks to their adolescent management style I'm watching less TV than ever before. I'm renting more movies, and working on my own projects. Life's too busy to invest in shows that may never have an ending. When LOST and BSG wrap up their storylines I'm pretty much done with broadcast television as we know it.

Sure I enjoy the occasional reality show (work out/top chef) but these aren't "must watch tv". Brothers & Sisters and Desperate Housewives are campy fun, but thanks to the intertubes I don't have to be home on Sunday Nights anymore.

In addition to the new on-demand programing world many people are canceling their over-priced cable service(I know I did when I found that my HD-TV got a better signal over the airwaves than through Comcast) and I really don't miss the 10839489382+ channels of utter crap that were beamed into my house before.

The broadcast networks need to adapt or they'll go extinct. I know I'll shed no tears when they're gone.
 
2008-04-22 11:12:08 AM
The Numbers: RubberFootMan: One of the comments after the article was far batter than the article itself....

"American networks have failed to grasp what the BBC captured perfectly with the iPlayer. People are too busy to sit down at a regular time each night to watch a show that may-or-may-not be worth the time invested. But give people a chance to watch what they want, *when* they want and they'll make their own TV schedules."

Agreed. I'm sure the iPlayer will have a dramatic effect on viewing figures. I certainly find I spend less time flicking through channels trying to find something to watch. Now the TV I want to watch is on when I have time to watch it.


Er, we've had that in the US for a few years now. Tivo sort of pioneered that technology, and now pretty much every major cable company offers the same type of service. I know plenty of people that pick and choose what they want to watch and when they want to watch it... they still watch the same reality show garbage.

Recording "America's Next Top Model" is a waste of the technology.
 
2008-04-22 11:19:37 AM
satchel 13 Bring back Maynard G. Krebs.

WORK!!!
 
2008-04-22 11:21:48 AM
Oh, and Satchel, you take Maynard and I'll take Thalia Menninger.
 
2008-04-22 11:24:55 AM
aedude01: Big Media bosses have brought the 'tv drought' on themselves.

With the whim of a school child they cancel new shows without any wrap up and then they expect the viewer to tune into the "latest new CRAZE!!!!"


THIS!

It is even more annoying in the UK when a channel buys a US series that got cancelled after only one series.... but they don't bother mentioning it when hyping it.

I'm looking at you Channel 4, being less than honest about Studio Sixty On The Sunset Strip.
 
2008-04-22 11:35:00 AM
Well he took over $15Billion out of the music industry and put it in his own pocket, so its as good a guess as anybody.
 
2008-04-22 11:40:46 AM
Brad_Will: The Onanist: krupintupple: /futurama.

/Arrested Development.

/Journeyman


/Firefly
 
2008-04-22 11:45:43 AM
Harvey Birdman: All the good programming is pushed to cable

There resides a major issue with programming in general. It now takes $60/mo worth of channel subscriptions to receive all of the shows that I like. But at over $700 per year, am I really getting my money's worth?

For a third of that cost, I can subscribe to a DVD rental service and watch the shows at my leisure. Only problem there is that not all shows make it to DVD. Furthermore, some shows only make it to DVD after they have been canceled. It is rare that you'll see huge DVD sales resurrect the show, as happened to Family Guy.

So, I'm kind of screwed. Content providers and producers are resisting 'a la carte' program selection through services like iTunes, and are completely against 'a la carte' channel selection. DVD release is very hit or miss.

So instead, I just stopped watching the tube. Now I rot in front of the computer most of the time or read books.
 
2008-04-22 11:58:55 AM
I figure why invest my time in a show that they've already decided to cancel before it even airs? These days if a show makes it to a second season I might try and catch up on the first season during the summer. Maybe.

Also, even though my husband and I have no children and therefore have money to spend, I'm on the cusp of being outside television's coveted demographic audience. I don't matter to them.
 
2008-04-22 12:07:04 PM
I started to write a list about what's wrong with TV, but then I realized it would be like criticizing water for being wet: TV, on the whole, sucks.

Every once in a while you get something entertaining like Heroes, or something smart like Galactica, or something really suspenseful like Prison Break ... there are, I'm sure, some non-geek genres with their gems as well ...

But TV is an advertising medium with a little content thrown in to keep you watching. Note how there's more work thrown into making a single 30-second advertisement than there is in an entire season of a network show.
 
2008-04-22 12:12:28 PM
The nets, with a few exception, seem to be a vast wasteland, like Newton Minow famously said in the 60s. The premiums are somewhat better in most cases, and a lot better in some cases.

Most recent example is John Adams, the mini-series that just finished up on HBO Sunday night. That was as good as television gets.

/Still pissed at HBO about Deadwood, though...
 
2008-04-22 12:29:10 PM
Tachikoma: Brad_Will: The Onanist: krupintupple: /futurama.

/Arrested Development.

/Journeyman

/Firefly


/Andy Richter Controls the Universe

/Andy Barker PI

no I don't have an Andy Richter fetish, why? They were good, they were cancelled too early.
 
2008-04-22 12:55:45 PM
echocamp: I was faithfully watching Chuck, Heroes and Pushing Daisies until the writers strike. I haven't even checked to see if they're doing new episodes or reruns or pulled them completely from the schedule. I have no interest in TV anymore.

Their new episodes have been pushed back until fall and I haven't seen any reruns.
 
2008-04-22 01:13:46 PM
satchel13: /Bring back Maynard G. Krebs.

Too late, man. We're doomed, good buddy. Boom, boom, ker-boom!
 
2008-04-22 01:27:30 PM
The proliferation of the DVR, coupled by spineless network suits with no vision, and the utter saturation of reality TV shows (which are much cheaper to produce than an actual drama or sitcom) killed network TV.


It had a nice 50 year run.
 
2008-04-22 01:36:28 PM
Network television was a plot by the government to kill black people.

No lie.
 
2008-04-22 01:54:17 PM
I miss Carnevale.
 
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