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(   Amid record technology sector layoffs, US corporations say they need 80,000 more imported foreign workers   ( divider line
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1014 clicks; posted to Main » on 10 Aug 2001 at 8:34 AM (15 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2001-08-10 08:29:37 AM  
Yeah those foreign workers come cheap, work long hours,live in crap apartments and if they don't like it, they can always be threatened with deportation. Its a win-win situation for america.
2001-08-10 08:37:40 AM  
More fun with free-market-global-economy-blah-blah-blah...
2001-08-10 08:46:17 AM  
Here's something else you may not know: H1B visas are corporation-specific. Meaning that if you have an H1B and lose your job, you automatically get deported.

This is cool for US corps because you can hire people at what they think is a great salary ($5000/year or something) and they can't leave to go somewhere else to get a better deal.

This is why they want more visas
2001-08-10 09:02:07 AM  
It isnt slavery, because they have a choice to leave, not to take the job, get paid, and can even look into another company, quit their current one, leave the country, and come back to the other job when they give the visa.

Its not really limiting anything except they'd just have to leave the contry for a short period of time
2001-08-10 09:07:00 AM  
Crack whores make more money than some of these imported workers. And it is not as easy as it sounds to just leave the country and come back for another job.
No it is not "slavery", more like indentured servitude.
2001-08-10 09:15:41 AM  
America's slavery - "practiced" overseas. Hahaha. I love meeting smug arrogant farks from the US.
2001-08-10 09:25:58 AM  
If we are so farked up, then why do so many people want to come here? Oh yeah, FREEDOM!
2001-08-10 09:28:58 AM  
I think you'll find it's mainly just for a laugh actually. That's the only reason I went - so that I could have a jumped-up conversation of "Christ, they do actually do that - can you believe it? They actually believe it too!"
2001-08-10 09:31:31 AM  
Come on Goatman - they're the ones that fund the IRA - providing us all with entertainment - think of Ealing man, and chill.
2001-08-10 09:38:41 AM  
And when Americans go overseas on vacation its mainly to be able to come back home and have jumped-up conversations about how dirty and smelly the people were.
2001-08-10 09:42:10 AM  
Scraping...: We love having you. We've had you so many times, and we'll have you again - come and buy our trinkets while we infect your women with our nasty foriegn ideas about questioning the system
2001-08-10 09:43:35 AM  
If I had a low I.Q.
I would argue with Fetus too.
2001-08-10 09:52:02 AM  
I'm having a hard time understanding what you guys are arguing about? Goatman, Scraping, are you guys for or against this practice?
2001-08-10 09:55:06 AM  
I am firmly against it. Why should we let corporations bring in workers from overseas and pay them less money to avoid hiring qualified american workers at higher wages?
This is like a large corporation cancelling out its taxes by giving workers stock options.
Just plain wrong.
2001-08-10 09:56:04 AM  
Scraping: Ambition is nothing without motivation.
2001-08-10 10:01:18 AM  
Snatch the pebble from my hand.
2001-08-10 10:19:06 AM  
I believe the correct phrase is "indentured servant".
2001-08-10 10:20:16 AM  
Woohoo, flamefest! Unfortunately, you both suck at it so we're gonna have to import an "expert" from Southern Uganda at 95% of minimum wage to moderate the fark out of this thread. When it's dead, we'll just fire him and he can either return home or remain as an illegal alien. Of course if he does, the INS will be releasing the pit bulls after him...
2001-08-10 10:36:28 AM  
There is not as big as a downturn in the computer industry as the media would have you believe. Sure, all the idiotic dot-coms that give away free dog food and shiat went out of business, but that doesn't mean that the real (old school) computer industry is hurting.
2001-08-10 10:54:05 AM  
Slashdot had an article a few weeks back about how the "programmer shortage" was all made up, to get low-pay workers. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

-= rei =-
2001-08-10 11:24:31 AM  
"I think you'll find it's mainly just for a laugh actually. That's the only reason I went - so that I could have a jumped-up conversation of 'Christ, they do actually do that - can you believe it? They actually believe it too!'"

With ignorance like that, you make the stereotyped American look good.
2001-08-10 11:31:07 AM  
Oooooooooo, so -this- is why I was unable to find a job in the software industry for the last 4 months. I'm not forign!
2001-08-10 11:32:19 AM  
Exactly. Now if you were both indonessian and under the age of 13, you could be hired by these Silicon Valley companies!
2001-08-10 11:34:29 AM  
This is farking equivalent to corporations shutting down in the US and moving the factory to other countries...its bullshiat....
They should put a stop to ALL farking H1B visas right farking now!!
2001-08-10 11:40:45 AM  
Besides, we have enough illegal mexicans in the country to clean our toilets.
Do we really need some dot-heads for anything other than running convenience stores?
2001-08-10 12:34:31 PM  
When a company says they're slashing 1000 tech jobs, chances are 900 of them were unfilled, meaning they couldn't find qualified people. Hence when you hear of massive layoffs, it doesn't neceassarily mean that that many people are fired, but that future hiring plans are shrinking.
2001-08-10 12:43:13 PM  
where the hell do you get YOUR information freako!?!?
2001-08-10 01:44:12 PM  
I work for a dot com and we have this Indian Oracle DBA dude on an H1 and he's making around 85K, I don't think he's being raped. On the other hand, it's hard for him to find another job, because the other company has to be willing to sponsor his visa, but it's not impossible.

Personally I think that if you're a damn good programmer then it wont be hard to find another job. You have to remember that dot coms hired people left and right, and a lot of them would not be qualified as a programmers. I think there are a lot of people who learned VB and called themselves programmers and expected to be treated as such (ie make the same amount as the real ones). When we were hiring it took us more than two months to find a decent techie, most people we interviewed weren't that impresive. That could explain the shortage of SKILLED people.
2001-08-10 02:14:04 PM  
Speaking as a techie, I support the abolition of H1B visas. I want no competition so that I can keep my high-paying job without having to worry that they'll can my lazy, incompetent ass.
2001-08-10 02:29:52 PM  
I would agree with HTS666, although i must say that there is a lot of competition out there for jobs. That is a good thing, but it also makes it an employer's market. That means that they can offer whatever pay that they want. If you are an out of work H1-Ber and want to stay in the country, you will take whatever job you can find as long as they will sponser you. This waters down the pay that is offered, which isn't always a good thing. While it might not seem like it is too tight of a market right now, there are a lot less jobs that are open, and a lot more people looking to take them, be they skilled, or incompetent.
BTW, an intersting site to check out that does have good resources on it as well as an interesting stand is
2001-08-10 05:31:32 PM  
I have decided to rename myself Achmed Halas Meshif Udabai Mohatmed Abudai and claim that I am a programer from Yemen and see if I how many interview offers I get.
2001-08-10 09:38:11 PM  
Isolationism is looking better and better.
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