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2008-04-21 01:02:48 PM  
Jeebus_Frist: I'm due in 5 weeks, so I'm getting a kick - yadda yadda.

I get my 9 weeks leave at 2/3 pay and then it's right back in the office with my ass. If you're really that broke, get a damn job and figure something out.

Of course, I make a lot more than I would ever pay for daycare so this makes sense for me.

Maybe these ladies can do babysitting co-op with other neighborhood SAHMs and get part-time jobs to contribute to the family pocket book.

Just sayin'


Why are you having a child if you're just gonna turn around and get someone else to raise it?

What chills me is that you actually seem proud to be doing this.
 
2008-04-21 01:05:45 PM  
AFMESA SUX: You know, there is always a positive side to things. With this recession, mothers will start feeding their kids more foods that aren't ridden with preservative and the fat will start to drip away from our children that have become more and more overweight.

That's not true for me. We were just talking about this at work this morning. I can't afford meat now so the only food that I can afford is the cheap, high preservative stuff like the pressed meat where you get four servings in a package on sale for $1.50. Two of those packages versus $4.00 per pound of ground beef. Which goes further?

I have said it before, it's so much easier to be fat. Why? Do you know how much produce costs when you are trying to watch every dime? Do you know how much meat is? The high fat stuff is cheap but the good stuff to make real meals from is expensive. Milk has risen to the point that I can only afford one gallon each pay day (I get paid twice a month). I can't afford it!

Fuel has risen astronomically but my income has not. I traded in my car (24 mpg at best) for a Hybrid SUV (around 33-34 mpg normally). I turn the home heat off the first of March and tell my son to put on socks and grab a blanket. Electric and home gas prices have increased but again, my income has not. It's crazy.
 
2008-04-21 01:06:11 PM  
SaladMonkey: ZholtayaStrelka: I'm 25, and my wife and I make a combined 320,000/yr. Yay education! How about that, poor people?

Translation: you're either both bankers or lawyers....good luck keeping those jobs if the economy goes this crappy another year.

/bragging about income makes you sound like a douche.


...So does whining about the lack of it.
 
2008-04-21 01:06:39 PM  
Crewmannumber6
People who work outside the home watch their kids grow up too, we just aren't with them 24/7 which in my case, with my kid, is better for him. We aren't having any more kids, and my son needs to be around other kids (and other adults for that matter). For him being in daycare 3-4 days a week is better than staying home all day with a parent who's going slowly insane from boredom and lack of stimulation which is what would happen if either I or my husband stayed home. I am lucky enough to have a flexible job, neither my husband and I work crazy hours or travel. There is a middle ground between "I stay home and we're poor but I'm with my kids 24/7 whether they like it or not" and "I work full time and we're crazy rich but our kid is in daycare 50 hours a week." You just don't hear about the middle ground in these absolutely moronic discussions where SAH parents and WOH parents throw down over who's making the more irresponsible decision with their kids. Can't we all just agree that everyone is doing the best they can to do what's right for their family and that there is no one-size-fits-all solution? I have heard all I care to at this point about how SAH parents are lazy or how WOH parents have their priorities out of whack. I don't know any families where either of those statements are true, myself.
 
2008-04-21 01:07:09 PM  
Maybe its my blue color history... but I always watched what I spent. Payed off my house as soon as i could instead of borrowing and buying way above my head. Its tough out there. Still my wife and I can go out once and a while. We own our things instead of them owning us...which these days make me happy we did it this way. I can;t imagine how half the people I work with make it, unless they owe a ton
 
2008-04-21 01:07:58 PM  
Every meal I eat comes from Whole Foods. Great grains, fresh produce, quality free range meats. My wife and I eat better than farking kings. No one in the history of mankind has ever had the variety and abundance that we have available to us. I feel so good after eating a healty diet for about a year now. The false carnival food that most of america eats now sickens me.

/Amazing how humans are completely conditionable.
 
2008-04-21 01:08:54 PM  
Thanks Bush. No worries about that war on credit idea. Nice job, biatch.
 
2008-04-21 01:11:21 PM  
pianomom: That's not true for me. We were just talking about this at work this morning. I can't afford meat now so the only food that I can afford is the cheap, high preservative stuff like the pressed meat where you get four servings in a package on sale for $1.50. Two of those packages versus $4.00 per pound of ground beef. Which goes further?

Every week there is some meat on sale at some store for at most two bucks a pound. This weekend it was boneless/skinless chicken breast for $1.99, last week it was pork ternderloin for $1.88, before that it was ham.

I buy more expensive cuts when I can because I enjoy it, but if you plan your meals around what is on sale you can afford meat.
 
2008-04-21 01:11:54 PM  
pianomom: AFMESA SUX: You know, there is always a positive side to things. With this recession, mothers will start feeding their kids more foods that aren't ridden with preservative and the fat will start to drip away from our children that have become more and more overweight.

That's not true for me. We were just talking about this at work this morning. I can't afford meat now so the only food that I can afford is the cheap, high preservative stuff like the pressed meat where you get four servings in a package on sale for $1.50. Two of those packages versus $4.00 per pound of ground beef. Which goes further?

I have said it before, it's so much easier to be fat. Why? Do you know how much produce costs when you are trying to watch every dime? Do you know how much meat is? The high fat stuff is cheap but the good stuff to make real meals from is expensive. Milk has risen to the point that I can only afford one gallon each pay day (I get paid twice a month). I can't afford it!

Fuel has risen astronomically but my income has not. I traded in my car (24 mpg at best) for a Hybrid SUV (around 33-34 mpg normally). I turn the home heat off the first of March and tell my son to put on socks and grab a blanket. Electric and home gas prices have increased but again, my income has not. It's crazy.


Might be different in other parts of the country, but in Retiree-ville, FL, if you have food stamps, you can't shop at the farmer's markets or meat markets.

The difference?

Pound of grouper at WALMART (When they have it): 12.99/lb
Pound of grouper at a meat market up the street: 6.99/lb

Wouldn't it make more sense to have people using food stamps to pay less for quality food, rather than filling up on cheap crap... like mac and cheese, ramen and nasty high fat meats.
 
2008-04-21 01:11:59 PM  
*waves to the person(s) stalking me*

Slow day at bN, you know, and bboy signed me up for 6 months of TF, so... figured I'd wander on over.
 
2008-04-21 01:12:29 PM  
RE asciibaron: Hope you're right. Just bought a front-load washer for $700. According to the energy saver sticker on it, the operating cost (just electricity, I guess) is $12 per YEAR. I've only used it once, hopefully water bill will tell the tale, too. I had to buy a washer anyway, figured might as well get an economical one while I'm at it.

RE Lebowski782008-04-21 12:40:57 PM
"Hopefully when there are kids on the way her mom will be able to fulfill babysitting duties."

Don't wanna tell you your business, but you say "hopefully" like you're not sure. Unless her mom has made an explicit commitment to that, I don't think you can assume she's good for free childcare every weekday. Not every grandparent wants to spend their golden years raising their grandchildren. And what you're talking about isn't "babysitting," it's "childcare."
 
2008-04-21 01:13:47 PM  
I love my daughter wayyyy too much to leave her locked up in the house all day with either me, or my crazy ass wife. We both want her to be normal and well socialized. She has friends. She plays all day. She gets a hot meal, a nap, and scheduled activities.

/daycare ftw
 
2008-04-21 01:13:57 PM  
IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T Our oldest was just "diagnosed" as being "gifted and talented" (no thanks to the ex's genes)

Nope. Sorry. That's bitterness and vanity. There's probably the usual split. : ) Sometimes it skips a generation.
 
2008-04-21 01:18:09 PM  
Well, shiat. It's about time those lazy-ass stay-at-home moms did their jobs of being stay-at-home moms.

/and make me some pancakes, woman!
 
2008-04-21 01:20:00 PM  
jst3p:
MemoryInMotion:


Those are actually great ideas. I do watch the ads for what's on sale. But in my very small cow town, we have Kroger and we have Super Wally World and a couple smaller places that I love but they can't compete and the prices are too high. I prefer Wally World because it is cheaper. I also fall into that beloved gap where I make too much for any assistance but not nearly enough to be able to keep up with inflation.
 
2008-04-21 01:23:13 PM  
purple helmet: SaladMonkey: ZholtayaStrelka: I'm 25, and my wife and I make a combined 320,000/yr. Yay education! How about that, poor people?

Translation: you're either both bankers or lawyers....good luck keeping those jobs if the economy goes this crappy another year.

/bragging about income makes you sound like a douche.

...So does whining about the lack of it.


a) I wasn't whining about lack of income (because I'm far from lacking it).
b) there's a world of difference between complaining about your situation and rubbing your shiat in others' faces.
 
2008-04-21 01:24:36 PM  
incrdbil:

So if they had recklessly spent on some other type vehicle (a costly hybrid, or some portscar), you would have helped them out? It was the specific type of vehicle that made them not worthy of your sympathy? Maybe it was a friends vehicle she had to borrow to get to the store.

Nah, just stone them for having SUV's, that's the new enlightened viewpoint.


I'll give you some credit for the borrowing comment, in case that was the situation. You and I don't know for sure if she did actually borrowed the car. It is a possibility. But, I don't think she borrowed it because she also had a nice leather jacket, and a nice pair of pants, and I think she had a nice purse (I don't know much about purses). But my point is that she did not "look" like she was struggling financially.

Regarding your other comment of her buying another expensive (non SUV) car... It is still the same concept, which is she bought a car that she could not afford (in the long run). I was not knocking SUV owners. I'm knocking people that buy more of anything that they can't afford.

I'm sorry but it is hard for me to take pitty on people's financial mess when they are the ones that caused it in the first place (or most of it). I'm sure the percentage is high that these people in financial problems lived beyond their means.
 
2008-04-21 01:25:06 PM  
PeriRies: I love my daughter wayyyy too much to leave her locked up in the house all day with either me, or my crazy ass wife. We both want her to be normal and well socialized. She has friends. She plays all day. She gets a hot meal, a nap, and scheduled activities.

/daycare ftw


Why would you breed with a woman you wouldn't want raising your child? You are everything wrong with America today.

/plz tell me that was sarcasm
 
2008-04-21 01:25:20 PM  
pianomom: jst3p:
MemoryInMotion:

Those are actually great ideas. I do watch the ads for what's on sale. But in my very small cow town, we have Kroger and we have Super Wally World and a couple smaller places that I love but they can't compete and the prices are too high. I prefer Wally World because it is cheaper. I also fall into that beloved gap where I make too much for any assistance but not nearly enough to be able to keep up with inflation.


How YOU doin? I have tons of money saving tips, if you are interested put a dot between the j and s in my name and change the 3 to an e @yahoo.com.


Or you could just send me BIE, because I like B
 
2008-04-21 01:26:10 PM  
oldass31: Conversation at work when I offered to cook/buy groceries for a dinner for my friend's family(wife and three kids)...

Me: "oh, it'd be easy because I'm under budget for food".
Friend: "aw, dude thanks"
40s something secretary: "Wow, you have a food budget? That's so responsible for someone your age. How much do you budget?"
Me: "Well, I live by myself so about $160/month"
Secretary: "Geez! Do you live off rice and beans!?!"
Me: "uhhh...No, mainly it's rice, stir-fried veggies, cereal, salad, canned soup, a casserole every now and then...that kind of stuff"
Secretary: "that's crazy, I don't see how you could spend that little."

Does that seem like too little money to anyone? Mind you this is for one person.


Not from the description it sounds like somebody is not makeing a lot of meat dishes. Meat is dam expensive, but rice, vegetables, etc... are reletively cheap. For that price you could slip a large pork roast, a couple of steaks, or some hamburger in maybe once every two weeks.

I spend about $100 a week on groceries for one person, but I eat meat for every meal.
 
2008-04-21 01:30:42 PM  
PeriRies: I love my daughter wayyyy too much to leave her locked up in the house all day with either me, or my crazy ass wife. We both want her to be normal and well socialized. She has friends. She plays all day. She gets a hot meal, a nap, and scheduled activities.

/daycare ftw


Too bad she doesn't have actual parents.
 
2008-04-21 01:31:58 PM  
RE whiskeytangowife: "I have heard all I care to at this point about how SAH parents are lazy or how WOH parents have their priorities out of whack. I don't know any families where either of those statements are true, myself."

Me too. I don't have kids. I don't think people (mostly women, obviously) who stay at home to take care of kids are lazy and I don't think women who work outside the home and have kids in daycare are horrible biatches who hate their children. But I might be in the minority here. I guess people feel the need to rip on other people's choices to make theirs sound/feel/look better. I don't know if it's envy over what others have or just the human urge to feel superior to others, but it gets old fast. I know it's Fark, but still...
 
2008-04-21 01:34:19 PM  
cerberus9: PeriRies: I love my daughter wayyyy too much to leave her locked up in the house all day with either me, or my crazy ass wife. We both want her to be normal and well socialized. She has friends. She plays all day. She gets a hot meal, a nap, and scheduled activities.

/daycare ftw

Too bad she doesn't have actual parents.


Ouch, that's a tad harsh.
 
2008-04-21 01:35:07 PM  
theoriginalslash: Me too. I don't have kids. I don't think people (mostly women, obviously) who stay at home to take care of kids are lazy

My (soon to be ex) wife, let me show you her.
 
2008-04-21 01:37:55 PM  
Embracing generic brands? OH THE HORRORS...
 
2008-04-21 01:39:13 PM  
mrs. torrence: Step A: Get local food service business license.
Step B: Head to Restaurant Depot.
Step C: Stock up for Zombie Wars.
Problem Solved.


what is a restaurant depot?
 
2008-04-21 01:39:48 PM  
Elchip is awesome, even here at TOS.
 
2008-04-21 01:40:31 PM  
I find this amusing since my girlfriend cooks, cleans, bakes, and pursuing her Masters and Phd. If you have a tattoo, cannot cook, do not believe in the sanctity of marriage, do not like children, and will forever deny me of anal lovin, then you are not wife potential.


So sad that girls my age are worthless in the kitchen.

//Moms a chef.
//Some knowledge has been passed.
 
2008-04-21 01:41:07 PM  
Wow, I never knew my entire childhood was so uncommon.

/Mom stays at home.
//They get by okay AFAIK.
///Me and my wife both have jobs though.
 
2008-04-21 01:43:26 PM  
America's Next Top Model: PeriRies: I love my daughter wayyyy too much to leave her locked up in the house all day with either me, or my crazy ass wife. We both want her to be normal and well socialized. She has friends. She plays all day. She gets a hot meal, a nap, and scheduled activities.

/daycare ftw

Why would you breed with a woman you wouldn't want raising your child? You are everything wrong with America today.

/plz tell me that was sarcasm


*sighs, and walks away*
//somebody get Fark a damn Midol
 
2008-04-21 01:45:57 PM  
I agree that daycare is no substitute for good parenting but there is no reason that the two can't work together to create a happy child. For us the financial reality is that both of us have to work, and the income and benefits far outweigh the cost of daycare. Besides my husband is utterly unfit to be Mr. Mom.

/Mrs. PeriRies
//aka the crazy ass wife
 
2008-04-21 01:47:16 PM  
jst3p: cerberus9: PeriRies: I love my daughter wayyyy too much to leave her locked up in the house all day with either me, or my crazy ass wife. We both want her to be normal and well socialized. She has friends. She plays all day. She gets a hot meal, a nap, and scheduled activities.

/daycare ftw

Too bad she doesn't have actual parents.

Ouch, that's a tad harsh.


Can't speak for anyone, but here's an observation from my own family:

Those of us doing well and have some sort of work ethic had parents working outside the home.

Those of us who don't have or can't hold a job, and pretty much spend their days wiping Cheeto dust on their shirts had stay-at-home moms... even the cousin who was lucky enough to be born to the rich parents.

I don't think it's awful to be a stay at home mom, but people, please: Teach your kids something other than than how to sit around the house all day so they might be ready for the real world one day.

I don't have kids. If I'm so "blessed" one day, he/she will come to work with me, when not at a Montessori school.
 
2008-04-21 01:47:37 PM  
ZholtayaStrelka: I'm 25, and my wife and I make a combined 320,000/yr. Yay education! How about that, poor people?

and is feeling the pinch so bad he cant afford total fark like the rest of us :-(

/douchbag
//slashies
 
2008-04-21 01:49:21 PM  
"In February, we were spending about $280 for groceries." Heis said "Now it's less than $200 a month."

Me, a bachelor, can't feed myself for $200 a month...
 
2008-04-21 01:53:04 PM  
If you want to stay at home and take care of your kids because it's a quality of life issue, I don't have a problem.

Just, please, spare us the "It's a full time job!!" nonsense. Maybe it was in our grandmothers generation before the advent of electrical appliances and convenience. Before washing machines, dryers, self cleaning ovens, electric dishwashers, microwaves, etc. When stay at home wives actually had to cook everything from scratch. But these days "a home-cooked meal" in most houses typically consists of pulling the frozen Stouffers lasagna out of the freezer and plopping it into pre-heated oven, putting a bag of pre-washed and pre-cut salad into a bowl and pouring a bottle of pre-made salad dressing into it. Then toasting some french bread already made at your local grocery store bakery for garlic toast. Then rinsing the dishes under the sink for a few seconds and throwing them into the dishwasher ... I'm sorry, that's not a full time job. And sewing typically consists of dropping off a pair of slacks off at the drycleaners and telling the elderly Asian lady behind the counter that you want them hemmed. I'm sorry .. that's not a full time job. That's what working people call "Saturday", and it's the best day of the week ... because we're not at our jobs.
 
2008-04-21 01:54:32 PM  
Everyone buys a vehicle that gets better gas mileage? Whoops, we gotta raise prices on gas so we can pay our CEO his 300 million a year bonus. Yay!

You can add up any three people in my extended family and not hit $100k year, including those of us with multiple degrees. So people talking about wasting money on crap like 'organic' food (total farce) and bottled water cracks me up. None of us live in squalor, although I'm 30 and I still can't get by without a roommate. It sucks but its hardly the end of the friggin world.

My solution is to not reproduce until I can actually afford. Kids are a friggin luxury item these days.
 
2008-04-21 01:54:53 PM  
"Detergent is very expensive, so I make my own," she said.

She grates natural soap, boils it, adds Borax, baking soda and essential oils, and lets it cool overnight.

Soap: $2.00 (http://www.google.com/products?q=natural+soap&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla :en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1)

Borax: $5.00 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fpr oducts%3Fhl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-US%3 Aofficial%26hs%3DDuK%26q%3Dbuy%2Bborax%26um%3D1%26ie%3DUTF-8&ei=VNQMSJaHFqWIywT- 55TdDQ&usg=AFQjCNH7Ec2gfFQeZpF0adxaF7zz4mpjYw&sig2=bgoQozFjeiOJHokpBcN6rw)

Essential Oils: $8.00 (http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla: en-US:official&hs=EF0&q=essential+oils+buy&um=1&ie=UTF-8)

VERSUS

Detergent: $6.00 (http://www.google.com/products?q=cheap+laundry+detergent&oe=utf-8&scoring=p)


big difference.
 
2008-04-21 01:56:15 PM  
dascott: You can add up any three people in my extended family and not hit $100k year, including those of us with multiple degrees. So people talking about wasting money on crap like 'organic' food (total farce) and bottled water cracks me up. None of us live in squalor, although I'm 30 and I still can't get by without a roommate. It sucks but its hardly the end of the friggin world.

Czar has a roommate now?

If you have a degree and need a roommate, you are doing it wrong.
 
2008-04-21 02:01:00 PM  
zincprincess: I agree that daycare is no substitute for good parenting but there is no reason that the two can't work together to create a happy child. For us the financial reality is that both of us have to work, and the income and benefits far outweigh the cost of daycare. Besides my husband is utterly unfit to be Mr. Mom.

/Mrs. PeriRies
//aka the crazy ass wife


How you doin?

Oh wait, nevermind.
 
2008-04-21 02:04:45 PM  
Husband and I average $250 a week for food. Nothing special - just basic groceries with meat every other day. That's what happens when you live in Scandinavia - where milk is $9 a gallon :-)

--ex-Pat
 
2008-04-21 02:04:55 PM  
jst3p:
If you have a degree and need a roommate, you are doing it wrong.

$25k/year with a IT/Networking degree, as a contractor in a position that actually pays $45k. And that was after not even getting so much as an interview for 9 months.

Funny, some lucky shiats get $50k just to reset passwords, but I'm sure their job is bound to get sold off to the Indians like mine too.

Hooray outsourcing. But hey, at least the CEO's are making money.
 
2008-04-21 02:06:52 PM  
cerberus9: PeriRies: I love my daughter wayyyy too much to leave her locked up in the house all day with either me, or my crazy ass wife. We both want her to be normal and well socialized. She has friends. She plays all day. She gets a hot meal, a nap, and scheduled activities.

/daycare ftw

Too bad she doesn't have actual parents.


Like those parents in the Texas compound? They're always in their kids' lives, always there for them, always teaching them how to think.

Works both ways, there. Just because you're the parent, doesn't mean that you should be the only influence in the kid's life.

/You might be pretty farked up yourself.
 
2008-04-21 02:09:14 PM  
dascott: $25k/year with a IT/Networking degree, as a contractor in a position that actually pays $45k. And that was after not even getting so much as an interview for 9 months.

Funny, some lucky shiats get $50k just to reset passwords, but I'm sure their job is bound to get sold off to the Indians like mine too.


I agree it can be tough until you get some solid experience under your belt, keep looking and adding to the resume.
 
2008-04-21 02:13:15 PM  
papabusche:

what is a restaurant depot?

It's a wholesale warehouse for people in the food industry where everything food related can be gotten for a tiny fraction of the price at most grocery stores. I know there's one in pretty much every major city, but they might have different names.
 
2008-04-21 02:14:14 PM  
IdBeCrazyIf
Someone obviously is out of touch with how much daycare costs.


Hey Farknuts, that is exactly what we pay per child. We pay $800/mo for two. My wife also brings home $1400/month @ 26hrs/week. Her having a Masters lets her maximize her hourly, while only working Part Time. We pay for F/T daycare, though hardly are the kids not picked up in the early afternoon. So we have $600 additional income.

It was also an extrapolation for other numbers. If it is 1200/mo for daycare wherever someone might be, salary adjustment most likely makes it an equivalency.

Life choices abound. We choose not to live in a high SES location. Yet, we've managed to have ZERO debt (outside the mortgage), with NO inheritance. The only debt we have is our home with 10yrs left on 15yr. Our area is also not realty depressed, so our house has gone up while our quick pay down has built equity. We now own less than 50% of the homes value. We'll be investing in quick turn around CDs to help keep liquidity while gaining a higher interest rate.. all while continuing our Deferred Compensation (mutual funds) investments. AND to top it all off, we also have the recommended 6 months of both incomes in savings.

Not my problem you 'choose' to live in a high cost living area and pay through the nose for your needs.
 
2008-04-21 02:14:57 PM  
Last October, she started shopping at the discount food store Aldi.

"We were nervous at first because everything was really cheap," Christopher said. "We thought how can anything here be good?"


What many people probably don't realize is that the name brand stuff and private store label stuff often come from the same place.
 
2008-04-21 02:16:52 PM  
skrilled:

I can get natural soap at the whole foods store locally for 1.25, i can get a box of borax that is good for 10 times what the recipe calls for for 3.49 and a box of washing soda that i can use 8 times for about 4 dollars.

you can do it cheaper with normal soap, on sale for about 50 cents a bar (crappy stuff)

We are talking roughly a nickle a load, your 6 dollar detergent is about 15 cents a load.

I now must walk away as i am arguing on the internet and i feel like a retard
 
2008-04-21 02:17:54 PM  
OyleSylck: Last October, she started shopping at the discount food store Aldi.

"We were nervous at first because everything was really cheap," Christopher said. "We thought how can anything here be good?"

What many people probably don't realize is that the name brand stuff and private store label stuff often come from the same place.


Red Thunder at aldis was just relabeled red bull, at about 30-50 cents a can on sale
 
2008-04-21 02:20:22 PM  
spin359: skrilled:

I can get natural soap at the whole foods store locally for 1.25, i can get a box of borax that is good for 10 times what the recipe calls for for 3.49 and a box of washing soda that i can use 8 times for about 4 dollars.

you can do it cheaper with normal soap, on sale for about 50 cents a bar (crappy stuff)

We are talking roughly a nickle a load, your 6 dollar detergent is about 15 cents a load.

I now must walk away as i am arguing on the internet and i feel like a retard


Even if the woman in TFA is in fact doing 12 loads a week (a dubious claim) then we are talking about at best a savings of $1.20 a week via this method.

I am positive there are better savings to be had for a far less investment of time.
 
2008-04-21 02:20:57 PM  
cryinoutloud: cerberus9: PeriRies: I love my daughter wayyyy too much to leave her locked up in the house all day with either me, or my crazy ass wife. We both want her to be normal and well socialized. She has friends. She plays all day. She gets a hot meal, a nap, and scheduled activities.

/daycare ftw

Too bad she doesn't have actual parents.

Like those parents in the Texas compound? They're always in their kids' lives, always there for them, always teaching them how to think.

Works both ways, there. Just because you're the parent, doesn't mean that you should be the only influence in the kid's life.

/You might be pretty farked up yourself.


I think there is a middle ground (and yes, I know this is FARK)

I do not know anyone my age (37) who did not have at least one full time parent at home, at least until we were in school on a full time basis

/odd jobs like taking in sewing, etc. notwithstanding
//all I know is my mom was home when Reagan got shot, that would have really f'd with me at that age if there was no parent there
 
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