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(Daily Gazette (Schenectady))   This pretty much sums up the state of hockey in America: NHL playoff game bumped off air in upstate New York to air a Victoria Principal informercial for makeup   (dailygazette.com) divider line 42
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2008-04-20 05:13:00 PM  
Victoria Principal? Makeup?

Are you sure it wasn't an infomercial for Bondo body filler, and orbital sanders?
 
2008-04-20 05:45:58 PM  
to air a Victoria Principal informercial for makeup


Oh, is that on now...?
 
2008-04-20 06:01:06 PM  
Hockey? Here? It's 70 degrees and sunny. You can't play hockey here.

/everybody knows that
 
2008-04-20 06:22:46 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: Hockey? Here? It's 70 degrees and sunny. You can't play hockey here.

I grew up in Maine. You know, cold and stuff.

But, in the Summer, when it *might* get to 90 degrees, they would short-change the kids for hockey practice by not fully freezing the rink. So, um, don't fall. You'll get wet.

But, down here in Virginia, when it's a billion degrees, solid ice.
 
2008-04-20 07:42:48 PM  
*Nobody's heard of any of your players, except a few really old veterans, who are all thought to be retired
*Teams moved from traditional hockey markets to cities that traditionally shut down at the rumor of a snowflake
*Entire season skipped
*NBC will only air you occasionally
*ESPN doesn't want a damn thing to do with you
*You've resorted to airing games on Versus
*Who will pre-empt your playoff games for a late-night makeup infomercial

And remember, those letters and flowers go to Gary Bettman for the dizzying heights to which he's guided the NHL.
 
2008-04-20 07:43:35 PM  
Houston has the same problem.They will bump primetime shows to air Billy Graham events, infomercials and other crap.They will either push them to 1am-3am slots the next morning or air them early Saturday mornings.
 
2008-04-20 07:53:36 PM  
Oh man, that seriously sucks to hear. If I was a Colorado or Minnesota fan, I'd be pissed.
 
2008-04-20 08:02:55 PM  
Gosling: *You've resorted to airing games on Versus

Yes... but at least we got Versus to change their name from the Outdoor Life Network.
 
2008-04-20 08:26:47 PM  
Since when the fark is Schenectady considered upstate, submitter? I suggest you buy a farking map.
 
2008-04-20 08:34:05 PM  
CrackedEgg: Since when the fark is Schenectady considered upstate, submitter? I suggest you buy a farking map.

Upstate NY is pretty much anything not on the island (depends on who you talk to but Schenectady definitely is). I suggest you educate yourself.
 
2008-04-20 08:38:06 PM  
Sebastokrator: Gosling: *You've resorted to airing games on Versus

Yes... but at least we got Versus to change their name from the Outdoor Life Network.


When I first heard "Versus" without seeing the spelling, I thought it was a poetry channel. Still think it's a dumb name but better than OLN.

I was able to see the game in Denver after golf ended.
 
2008-04-20 08:50:52 PM  
I think they made the right choice.
 
2008-04-20 08:55:26 PM  
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2008-04-20 08:59:37 PM  
CrackedEgg: Since when the fark is Schenectady considered upstate, submitter? I suggest you buy a farking map.

When I tell my Westchester friends they're upstaters and ask how many cows there are, OK maybe that's not upstate.

But Schenectady is in the Albany area, north of it IIRC. What do you want to call upstate, anywhere that flies a Canadian flag? Seriously, if someone called Binghamton "upstate" and you wanted it to be called Western, that's an argument. Albany is damned well upstate.
 
2008-04-20 09:00:34 PM  
Andy Gibb would have been so proud.
 
2008-04-20 09:03:24 PM  
I think the problem with hockey and other sports is disproportionate oversaturation.

No one other than the die-hards has the time to pay attention to a two and a half month playoff system on top of a six-month season.

Look at the NFL, the off season is nearly twice as long as the regular season, and they aren't prone to overexpansion (netted four teams in the past 30 years, I believe).

Of course, this doesn't explain things like NASCAR or the WWF (it's still the "WWF" to me, damnit), but I guess that southerners must tend to have a lot more free time on their hands. Either that, or they're not the best at prioritizing.
 
2008-04-20 09:06:35 PM  
Stiger: CrackedEgg: Since when the fark is Schenectady considered upstate, submitter? I suggest you buy a farking map.

Upstate NY is pretty much anything not on the island (depends on who you talk to but Schenectady definitely is). I suggest you educate yourself.


I work in the NYC area, and grew up in St Lawrence county, about 90 miles north of Watertown. Schenectady is not upstate NY.
 
2008-04-20 09:08:47 PM  
Heh, yesterday on Fox Saturday Baseball they cut from the Mets - Phillies game in the bottom of the 8th with with the Phillies down by two with the bases loaded, 2 out and a full count for The Lighter Side of Sports.
 
2008-04-20 09:09:21 PM  
deevo: CrackedEgg: Since when the fark is Schenectady considered upstate, submitter? I suggest you buy a farking map.

When I tell my Westchester friends they're upstaters and ask how many cows there are, OK maybe that's not upstate.

But Schenectady is in the Albany area, north of it IIRC. What do you want to call upstate, anywhere that flies a Canadian flag? Seriously, if someone called Binghamton "upstate" and you wanted it to be called Western, that's an argument. Albany is damned well upstate.


Buy a farking map. There's 6 more hours of driving before you reach the end of the state. Albany's not upstate, either.

Don't you people own a farking atlas or a road map? Christ, look that shiat up on Google Earth or something.

(Yes, it's one of my pet peeves. I read lots of stupider comments about everyone else's area of the country, you guys can deal with mine for one thread.)
 
2008-04-20 09:29:54 PM  
CrackedEgg: deevo: CrackedEgg: Since when the fark is Schenectady considered upstate, submitter? I suggest you buy a farking map.

When I tell my Westchester friends they're upstaters and ask how many cows there are, OK maybe that's not upstate.

But Schenectady is in the Albany area, north of it IIRC. What do you want to call upstate, anywhere that flies a Canadian flag? Seriously, if someone called Binghamton "upstate" and you wanted it to be called Western, that's an argument. Albany is damned well upstate.

Buy a farking map. There's 6 more hours of driving before you reach the end of the state. Albany's not upstate, either.

Don't you people own a farking atlas or a road map? Christ, look that shiat up on Google Earth or something.

(Yes, it's one of my pet peeves. I read lots of stupider comments about everyone else's area of the country, you guys can deal with mine for one thread.)



I think you may be confusing Upstate NY with Central NY. If Albany is not Upstate then what would you call it?

I know this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen someone get upset about on FARK, and I have been her since like 2000. So...good for you on that one.

/Life long Albany area resident.
 
2008-04-20 09:42:04 PM  
Personally, I would side more with menolikepoopybad as an outsider, because the nomenclature of "upstate" doesn't necessarily connotate a strict interpretation.

On a map, CrackedEgg would be right if it were strict geography and not slanted in terms of the population center of New York City. NYC proper contains over 40% of the statewide population, so you'd only need to cover about 10% more going north before you crossed an abstract population boundary that would put you in "upstate" New York.

A similar thing applies to Manhattan, where you have Downtown, Midtown, and Uptown, but after Uptown, you run into "Upper", which is very much still a part of Manhattan geographically.

Now, does that make any sense? Really?
 
2008-04-20 10:16:47 PM  
Forget about the geography, Who thought putting on a 30 min. commercial was preferable to showing NHL action? This sounds like the Preakness debacle again.

/Fark Bettman and Smyth
//thought any county north of Westchester was considered upstate
///only experience upstate (my definition, not CrackedEgg) was Glens Falls (and that was 10 years ago)
 
2008-04-20 10:31:32 PM  
This pretty much sums up the state of hockey in Farkistan:
Number of comments in NHL Playoff thread 507.
Number of comments in NBA Playoff thread 90.
 
2008-04-20 10:37:04 PM  
Erom: This pretty much sums up the state of hockey in Farkistan:
Number of comments in NHL Playoff thread 507.
Number of comments in NBA Playoff thread 90.


Black people don't fark?
 
2008-04-20 10:39:09 PM  
LostSaidDocument: Erom: This pretty much sums up the state of hockey in Farkistan:
Number of comments in NHL Playoff thread 507.
Number of comments in NBA Playoff thread 90.

Black people don't fark?


Black people go to NBA games?
 
2008-04-20 10:48:55 PM  
 
2008-04-20 11:44:01 PM  
CrackedEgg: But Schenectady is in the Albany area, north of it IIRC. What do you want to call upstate, anywhere that flies a Canadian flag? Seriously, if someone called Binghamton "upstate" and you wanted it to be called Western, that's an argument. Albany is damned well upstate.

Buy a farking map. There's 6 more hours of driving before you reach the end of the state. Albany's not upstate, either.


Anything north of Westchester is acceptably called "Upstate". Anything south of Westchester is "The City".

Following north along the path of the Thruway/Northway, Westchester north until Catskill or Hudson is the Hudson Valley. Catskill/Hudson north until Schenectady is The Capital Region. North of Schenectady until Glens Falls is generally called the Adirondacks (though there isn't much of the range them in that area) or the Lake George region. North of Lake George is The North Country.

Utica and anything West until Rochester is Central NY, and anything Rochester till Buffalo is Western NY. Potsdam/Massena area is the St. Lawrence area.

/Life-long New Yorker
//this is how I call it.
///Soda, BTW, not Pop, western NY farkers.
 
2008-04-20 11:48:19 PM  
KiwDaWabbit: NYC proper contains over 40% of the statewide population, so you'd only need to cover about 10% more going north before you crossed an abstract population boundary that would put you in "upstate" New York.

Out of 19 million, 9 million are in NYC, 1.5 in Nassau, 1.5 in Suffolk, and 1 million in Rochester. That's about two-thirds of the state population.

Albany is the center of state government that NYC/LI hate so much for taking all of their money and spending it upstate, and they identify with downstate? If Schenectady is downstate, then Long Island is in the tropics.
 
2008-04-21 12:09:41 AM  
CrackedEgg: I work in the NYC area, and grew up in St Lawrence county, about 90 miles north of Watertown. Schenectady is not upstate NY.

As far as I'm concerned, anything above 96th street is upstate.
 
2008-04-21 01:48:58 AM  
CrackedEgg: Since when the fark is Schenectady considered upstate, submitter? I suggest you buy a farking map.

People from Manhattan are arrogant enough to believe that Westchester County is upstate. Some even go as far as to call the Bronx "upstate."
 
2008-04-21 01:52:02 AM  
Yanks_RSJ:
As far as I'm concerned, anything above 96th street is upstate.


There.

My favorite part is when the network news channels have an incident in Yonkers and they have "UPSTATE" written on the bottom.

Then, in the segment, they refer to Lindenhurst by name. Huh?! From my attic, I can see the city with my own farking eyes and we are upstate?!
 
2008-04-21 01:52:43 AM  
Then, in the NEXT segment,
 
2008-04-21 08:24:29 AM  
shiat, that sucks for hockey fans there...

Here I was all cheesed off because NESN decided to air a meaningless April BoSox-Yankees game on the main channel and relegated the Bruins-Candiens Game 5 to their affiliate channel.
 
2008-04-21 10:01:39 AM  
KiwDaWabbit: Personally, I would side more with menolikepoopybad as an outsider, because the nomenclature of "upstate" doesn't necessarily connotate a strict interpretation.

On a map, CrackedEgg would be right if it were strict geography and not slanted in terms of the population center of New York City. NYC proper contains over 40% of the statewide population, so you'd only need to cover about 10% more going north before you crossed an abstract population boundary that would put you in "upstate" New York.


Summed it up beautifully.

/Long Islander
//Doesn't consider Westechester or Rockland upstate
///After that, yeah
////Also can't believe the pre-empting
///2 minutes for slashing
 
2008-04-21 10:38:01 AM  
The "State of Hockey in America"?! America?! I think you might want to limit that to the U.S. (last time I heard, Canada was part of "America" - and not even the U.S. as a whole is "disinterested".

And do you really want to argue that how TV contracts and such are biased for/against hockey reflects the interest in the sport? I'd say that's more of a management issue - squarely on Buttman's ever so incompetent shoulders.

Also, I would agree hockey has a hard time making inroads in some U.S. geographies - it is a complex sport and requires attention - to much complexity/attention to a "Is our children learning?" Every Child Left Behind society. Most U.S. citizens are simply...too stupid to appreciate such a fast and ever-changing sport.
 
2008-04-21 11:25:46 AM  
CrackedEgg you're my new personal hero. I'm originally from St. Lawrence Co. too (O'burg) and it's maddening trying to explain where I'm from:

Me: I'm from Northern NY
Them: Oh, like Albany?
Me: No, do you know where Watertown is?
Them: No
Me: Well, I'm 2.5 hours north of Syracuse
Them: Isnt' that Canada?
Me: DIAF
 
2008-04-21 01:00:03 PM  
And all 36 remaining fans interesting in hockey have posted here today...
 
2008-04-21 01:16:59 PM  
CrackedEgg: Since when the fark is Schenectady considered upstate, submitter? I suggest you buy a farking map.

you have paved roads up there yet?
 
2008-04-21 01:21:32 PM  
Anything north of the GWB is upstate to me

/ducks
 
2008-04-21 02:15:28 PM  
I guess I'll stop watching hockey then...

?
 
2008-04-21 02:51:50 PM  
If Hockey suffers from less coverage then how come NHL playoff threads get more hits than your average NBA or MLB thread? Judging by Fark alone the NHL is second to the NFL in terms of professional sports marker share.
 
2008-04-21 04:17:29 PM  
PeeWeePangolin: If Hockey suffers from less coverage then how come NHL playoff threads get more hits than your average NBA or MLB thread? Judging by Fark alone the NHL is second to the NFL in terms of professional sports marker share.

I might be generalizing a bit too much, but I think I've attended enough games in my lifetime to be somewhat accurate.

Passion.

Hockey fans are true hockey fans. There are very few casual fans. Compared to the other major sports (and, fark off if you are going to say what I think you are going to say, hockey haters!), it is much rarer to come across a fan that doesn't know what he is talking about at a hockey game.

It is also what amuses me about all of these farking rule changes we've dealt with and the attempts to curtail fighting. STOP.TRYING.TO.IMPRESS.THE.CASUAL.FAN!!! Keep the real fans happy enough to pay for your over-priced product and let them - the fans - get other people to the games.

I don't know about anyone else, but twice in my life I've taken girls I was seeing to hockey games. Both times, I think they just went because it was something new or that had a moderate interest in it.

By the time the final horn sounded, they couldn't spit out "When are we going again?!!!" fast enough.

Get people TO the game and they will continue to go.
 
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