AVP was MUCH better than I ever expected.

ComicBookGuy: AVP was MUCH better than I ever expected.


The sarcasm meter just exploded.

ComicBookGuy: AVP was MUCH better than I ever expected.

Agreed. I thought I'd hate it, but it really was pretty good. I'm glad Sigourney is saying no to another Alien movie. I think it would just be sad at this point. Kind of like the 6th Rocky movie or Rambo 4 (or was that 5?).

AVP was one of the most wretched atrocities I have ever seen.

I like the interview with Jim Cameron where he said he'd make an Alien 5 if it meant an end to the awful AVP series.

Lets see... Alien 4 vs AvP?

Why don't we just end the alien (and predator) sequels altogether, k?

You all may hate AVP, but it was still better than Alien 4. Dear Jesus that movie sucked.

Also, Ridley Scott doesn't exactly have a decent track record lately. Hannibal and American Gangster leap to mind.

Ya know what's missing in the Aliens setting? What happened between Newt's parents finding the alien vessel, and the Colonial Marines rolling in to LV-426.
Small arms fire, seismic explosives, blockaded corridors and the only person to survive is a small girl named Newt.
I'd watch it.

The AVP series is like walking in on your grandparents having sex. Sure, you love the characters, but you just didn't want to see them like that.

Cagey B:
You all may hate AVP, but it was still better than Alien 4. Dear Jesus that movie sucked.

Also, Ridley Scott doesn't exactly have a decent track record lately. Hannibal and American Gangster leap to mind.

Alien 4 was a failure from the start. I believe I read the original script by that Buffy-dude. It sucked. Turns into a freaking dragonslayer movie at the end. Surprised he didn't though in the undead somewhere.

idrow: ComicBookGuy: AVP was MUCH better than I ever expected.

Agreed. I thought I'd hate it, but it really was pretty good. I'm glad Sigourney is saying no to another Alien movie. I think it would just be sad at this point. Kind of like the 6th Rocky movie or Rambo 4 (or was that 5?).

Oh no, you may have just summoned the wrath of crazed Sylvester Stallone fans. Maybe if we keep very quiet, it'll be okay.

EvolveYouPutz 2008-04-18 04:30:40 PM
The AVP series is like walking in on your grandparents having sex. Sure, you love the characters, but you just didn't want to see them like that.

WIN!

EvolveYouPutz: The AVP series is like walking in on your grandparents having sex. Sure, you love the characters, but you just didn't want to see them like that.

That's almost too much Win for one post.

I think the Predator storyline would have more legs than Alien...after Aliens those movies just sucked especially Alien 3 where Hicks and Newt die before the movie even started...to me the series ended at Aliens....However, I always thought Predator might be a cool movie theme if you placed the creature in various historical eras with less technology. For instance have the predator return to feudal Japan and fight an Ninja or Samurai group where the predator has older weapons than the one in the last two movies. Or it would be cool with him fighting a gang of Apaches or a set of medieval knights during the crusades. Never get done but I think it could be a cool cheap series.

rathoth: Ya know what's missing in the Aliens setting? What happened between Newt's parents finding the alien vessel, and the Colonial Marines rolling in to LV-426.
Small arms fire, seismic explosives, blockaded corridors and the only person to survive is a small girl named Newt.
I'd watch it.

fark me, you just won. Get your ass to the choppa and make this happen.

The AVP movies are not 'bad', but they have effectively ruined both franchises as being made into more standalone movies. There will never be a Predator 3. There will never be an Alien 5.

Ya know what's missing in the Aliens setting? What happened between Newt's parents finding the alien vessel, and the Colonial Marines rolling in to LV-426.
Small arms fire, seismic explosives, blockaded corridors and the only person to survive is a small girl named Newt.
I'd watch it.


Directors Cut DVD of Aliens has a bit of it.

I read an interview which said that no one could explain the draw of aliens running amok in a futuristic bladerunner-esque earth setting... so they didn't do that. People in Hollywood are stupid.

Fact: There were only two movies in the series--"Alien" and "Aliens". I have no idea what nonsense the rest of you are going on about.

Next up:

Alien vs. Predator vs. Robocop vs. Terminator vs. Mr. Bean - Return to Thunderdome!

I just saw AVP 2, it is much worse than the first AVP.

Much, much worse.

AVP2 was great. Very bloody, not so much 'horror' but good sci-fi. They had some plotholes you had to think about to figure out (gestation periods, why the predator came by himself, ect) but once you did (could be explained away by a different 'breed' of bugs with a faster cycle used by the predators to seed hunting grounds, the perdator didn't expect a hybrid type, which apparently is a bigger problem than the regular queens) it was a damn good movie.

AkaranD: AVP2 was great. Very bloody, not so much 'horror' but good sci-fi. They had some plotholes you had to think about to figure out (gestation periods, why the predator came by himself, ect) but once you did (could be explained away by a different 'breed' of bugs with a faster cycle used by the predators to seed hunting grounds, the perdator didn't expect a hybrid type, which apparently is a bigger problem than the regular queens) it was a damn good movie.

You're serious...aren't you?

*shakes head and walks away*

Lizard: EvolveYouPutz 2008-04-18 04:30:40 PM
The AVP series is like walking in on your grandparents having sex. Sure, you love the characters, but you just didn't want to see them like that.

WIN!

FAIL.

The games were some of the most revered titles in PC gaming and the comics were immensely popular. Just because they had a shiatty movie doesn't mean the whole franchise is garbage.

I didn't think the AvP movies were award winners, but they were fun to watch. They're not meant to be Oscar winners. They're shoot 'em up, explosion, adrenaline movies.

No one gives a shiat if your sophisticated tastes didn't care for it. The revenue numbers speak for themselves. Each of the AvP movies have made three times what it cost to produce. So you can whine all you want while everyone else watches it for the entertainment value and the movies continue to rake in dough.

I dunno, I'd like it if they stopped trashing that franchise so bad with the shiatty sequels

Der Poopflinger: I dunno, I'd like it if they stopped trashing that franchise so bad with the shiatty sequels

Exactly. If you're going to make a brainless monster n' guns movie, come up with your own monster. Don't "re-imagine" somebody else's idea just so you can capitalize on the name/franchise.

James Cameron had actually written a script for Alien V but as you know, they decided on AvP. The idiots.

Damn. "Alien V" is a cool title.

Anyway, one of the things that Ridley Scott and Weaver wanted to do was explore where the Aliens came from and the mystery of the "Space Jockey" and stuff like that.

It would have been alot better than AvP with Cameron, Scott and Weaver on board.

Aliens suffered many glaring plot holes and directly contradicted several elements clearly conveyed in the first Alien film.

I really don't feel like explaining it.
I kicked over a goddamned ant hill recently when I made this same comment on a youtube Alien thread.

Trust me.

Watch the entire Alien film and then watch Aliens immediately after.

Many wtf? moments to ensue.

rathoth: Cagey B:
You all may hate AVP, but it was still better than Alien 4. Dear Jesus that movie sucked.

Also, Ridley Scott doesn't exactly have a decent track record lately. Hannibal and American Gangster leap to mind.

Alien 4 was a failure from the start. I believe I read the original script by that Buffy-dude. It sucked. Turns into a freaking dragonslayer movie at the end. Surprised he didn't though in the undead somewhere.

I remember hearing something about Sigourney being anti-gun so she didn't want to be using firearms in a new alien movie. If that's true, it can definitely show just how sick in the mind any kind of fanaticism can make a person. Seriously, cause using guns to fight off a horde of scary assed monsters is immoral.

kntgsp: Lizard: EvolveYouPutz 2008-04-18 04:30:40 PM
The AVP series is like walking in on your grandparents having sex. Sure, you love the characters, but you just didn't want to see them like that.

WIN!

FAIL.

The games were some of the most revered titles in PC gaming and the comics were immensely popular. Just because they had a shiatty movie doesn't mean the whole franchise is garbage.

I didn't think the AvP movies were award winners, but they were fun to watch. They're not meant to be Oscar winners. They're shoot 'em up, explosion, adrenaline movies.

No one gives a shiat if your sophisticated tastes didn't care for it. The revenue numbers speak for themselves. Each of the AvP movies have made three times what it cost to produce. So you can whine all you want while everyone else watches it for the entertainment value and the movies continue to rake in dough.

I think the big FAIL in the AVP movies is that they didn't follow the cannon followed by, or set by, the comics and PC games. If they would have done that, both AVP movies would have been chock full of AWESOME.

Kornchex: The only way this could work would be if they played the "anything you saw after Aliens never really happened" card. They screwed the series up something awful after Aliens.

Indeed. I don't see why they had to kill off Hicks and Newt at the beginning of Alien 3. I know Fincher had some ideas for it, but it did not work out well at all.

T.rex: The AVP movies are not 'bad', but they have effectively ruined both franchises as being made into more standalone movies. There will never be a Predator 3. There will never be an Alien 5.

To be fair, there was never going to be an Alien 5 or Predator 3 anyway. The last Predator movie was over a decade and a half ago. Alien Resurrection killed the franchise there. AVP seems to be a Hail Mary shot of getting both of them back in the public eye as viable movie franchises again. Sure, it's not good, but it did its job. I'm sure Dark Horse made some cash out of it with their Omnibus line.

RegDunlop: I think the Predator storyline would have more legs than Alien...after Aliens those movies just sucked especially Alien 3 where Hicks and Newt die before the movie even started...to me the series ended at Aliens....However, I always thought Predator might be a cool movie theme if you placed the creature in various historical eras with less technology. For instance have the predator return to feudal Japan and fight an Ninja or Samurai group where the predator has older weapons than the one in the last two movies. Or it would be cool with him fighting a gang of Apaches or a set of medieval knights during the crusades. Never get done but I think it could be a cool cheap series.

I'd watch this. It could be very sweet and neat to see how the Predator could fit into these scenes and work with it. Something about a Predator doing a cowboy-styled shootout would be very interesting.

Mega Steve: Next up:

Alien vs. Predator vs. Robocop vs. Terminator vs. Mr. Bean - Return to Thunderdome!

Why not? All of those franchises are pretty much done for and being used as pastiche pieces. I'd welcome it. Might as well throw Batman: Dead End in there as well to make the best movie of all time.

I like the AVP games....it has sadly been sometime since the last PC release.

/ yautja
// heard xbox has a cool predator game

rathoth: Ya know what's missing in the Aliens setting? What happened between Newt's parents finding the alien vessel, and the Colonial Marines rolling in to LV-426.
Small arms fire, seismic explosives, blockaded corridors and the only person to survive is a small girl named Newt.
I'd watch it.

The majority of that was filmed, but was cut due to time. You see Newt's parents drive out to the derelict ship, father gets infected with facehugger, ect. Had/have the director's cut on laserdisc. Didn't go into a lot of detail but it's easy to follow the clues as to what really happened. Cameron said in the commentary that it's easier to cut out a subplot than to whittle away at the film so that's why the movie still flows pretty well.

//yep... still have a laserdisc player
///kids off my damn lawn, ect.

zeppelinrox: Anyway, one of the things that Ridley Scott and Weaver wanted to do was explore where the Aliens came from and the mystery of the "Space Jockey" and stuff like that.

I'd watch that. Go back to the times when Alien was actually pretty good and didn't have a number in the title.

I have seen both AVP movies and Alien 4. I'm not sure how Weaver can possibly criticize the AVP movies after having participated in Alien 4.

The hierarchy of enjoyability, as I see it, is:

Alien > Aliens > Predator > AVP2 > Predator 2 > Alien 3 > AVP >Alien 4.

I didn't care for the first AVP, but the second one was pretty good. Not a character-driven plot of any sort, but a relatively tight event-driven plot. It certainly didn't have the glaring snafu the first one had. In the two Predator movies, it was made abundantly clear that the predators like hot weather. So where is AVP set? Antarctica.

For as much as I like the first two Alien movies and the first Predator, I do hope both franchises are put on the back-burner for now.

Cagey B: You all may hate AVP, but it was still better than Alien 4. Dear Jesus that movie sucked.

Also, Ridley Scott doesn't exactly have a decent track record lately. Hannibal and American Gangster leap to mind.

That has to be a troll.

I don't understand how people consider Aliens3 as a horrible movie. That movie was the perfect resolution for Aliens and Alien. The ending of Aliens3 still gives me goosebumps; It's a friggin masterpiece.

/no sarcasm, only real.

My problem with Alien3 wasn't so much the story, it was the ridiculous CGI that they did. Ruined the whole movie for me. I just watched the Special Release this week and story wise it was much better than the theatrical release, but still only better than Alien 4.

Didn't mind AVP, but my expectations were low. Haven't seen AVP2 yet, but it's next in the nextflix queue.

Guntram Shatterhand:

Indeed. I don't see why they had to kill off Hicks and Newt at the beginning of Alien 3. I know Fincher had some ideas for it, but it did not work out well at all.
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because the movie was so farked in preproduction and production that they had to make a minimalist movie on a minimalist budget just to get something in the theaters.

honestly, without counting the greatness of the other movies, a3 was pretty good. not legendary like aliens, but pretty good. pitch black is a similar minimalist style action/horror/suspense that turned out really well for what it was

The first AVP was bad. AVP:Requiem was farking excellent though. Tons of violence and craziness.

For the record, I was referring to the movies, as the article in question deals only with the movies. The AVP games were, as mentioned before, very good.

Metaluna Mutant: THIS is the sequel to ALIENS.


Why in hell then never filmed this instead of that abortion called Alien 3 I'll never know.


/Alien 3, 4, AvP etc never happened
//never happened
///lalala I cant hear you

this
have it (got it when it first came out), read it again last week, awesome graphic novel