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2008-04-18 02:06:47 PM  
don't tell mccain, his head might explode.
 
2008-04-18 02:15:11 PM  
That will confuse the shiat out of McCain.
 
2008-04-18 02:34:46 PM  
It's truly an axis of evil.

It's exactly like WWII, only with Kim Chee and Lufasfalafel.
 
2008-04-18 02:37:56 PM  
Nestea Plunge: That will confuse the shiat out of McCain.

That's like saying, "that will certainly slow down that tortoise"
 
2008-04-18 02:57:36 PM  
coma: That's like saying, "that will certainly slow down that tortoise"

*golf clap*
 
2008-04-18 02:58:46 PM  
That sure would make it difficult to muddy the waters with phrases like "Al Qaeda and other extremists" in Iraq while beating the drums of war with Iran.
 
2008-04-18 03:06:00 PM  
mediaho: That sure would make it difficult to muddy the waters with phrases like "Al Qaeda and other extremists" in Iraq while beating the drums of war with Iran.

only with people who are paying attention.

so maybe not as much as it should.
 
2008-04-18 03:46:19 PM  
Al-Qaeda and America back on the same side? I hate 80's retro fashion.
 
2008-04-18 03:56:59 PM  
coma: Nestea Plunge: That will confuse the shiat out of McCain.

That's like saying, "that will certainly slow down that tortoise"


A++++++ would laugh again
 
2008-04-18 04:08:33 PM  
coma: Nestea Plunge: That will confuse the shiat out of McCain.

That's like saying, "that will certainly slow down that tortoise"


Muy bueno.
 
2008-04-18 04:08:43 PM  
The international atheist islamo-fascist communist plot against America ain't what it used to be.
 
2008-04-18 04:08:52 PM  
the enemy of my enemy...
 
2008-04-18 04:09:11 PM  
McCain joke [here]
 
2008-04-18 04:09:58 PM  
burndtdan: don't tell mccain, his head might explode.

or, he might suggest invalding Iran as well. Hell, why not invade Syria and Lebanon also.
 
2008-04-18 04:10:09 PM  
If the enemy of my enemy is my friend . . . then that makes. . . uhhh. . . then that makes. . . .

EE - - YAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!

learning.cc.hccs.edu
 
2008-04-18 04:10:40 PM  
But ... who are we supposed to kill now?

I know, which one controls oil?
 
2008-04-18 04:11:15 PM  
inert: Al-Qaeda and America back on the same side? I hate 80's retro fashion.

Leg warmers and AK-47s for everyone!
 
2008-04-18 04:11:50 PM  
schiefaw: But ... who are we supposed to kill now?

I know, which one controls oil?


Those damn dirty Greeks and their olives.

TO GREECE!
 
2008-04-18 04:12:29 PM  
I wonder if we can pick a side here, Al-Qaeda, a bunch of third world losers who blow up retards with suicide belts. Or Iran, a country that exports 2.5 million barrels of oil a day and has the second largest natural gas reserves in the world...hmmmmmm, well based on our brilliant foreign policy in the past I would have to go with the former...
 
2008-04-18 04:12:31 PM  
Clonod: If the enemy of my enemy is my friend . . . then that makes. . . uhhh. . . then that makes. . . .

i224.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-18 04:12:39 PM  
I think smitty didn't actually read TFA... and neither did a lot of people in the thread thus far...


Hint 1: War was not declared.
Hint 2: It sounded like begging for help, actually.
 
2008-04-18 04:12:43 PM  
"Al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri urged Muslims to make Iraq a "fortress of Islam""

www.cool-movie-trivia.com

Al-Qaeda number two? I heard you was dead.
 
2008-04-18 04:13:00 PM  
I thought they were all Muslim icb2.com
 
2008-04-18 04:15:07 PM  
Headso: I wonder if we can pick a side here, Al-Qaeda, a bunch of third world losers who blow up retards with suicide belts. Or Iran, a country that exports 2.5 million barrels of oil a day and has the second largest natural gas reserves in the world...hmmmmmm, well based on our brilliant foreign policy in the past I would have to go with the former...

And one who's younger members tend to be fairly western in outlook and enjoy American culture, or the one that really does want us to die in fires... hmmm
 
2008-04-18 04:15:48 PM  
fishsticks: the enemy of my enemy...

So are we now allied with Iran or Al-Qaeda?
 
2008-04-18 04:15:56 PM  
Yep, McCain will asplode. You know what? He will just ignore it and not get called on it.

You guys remember way back in 2000 when you still had to really like Bill as a dude, McCain seemed like the straightest shooting politician ever, Lieberman seemed like an intelligent, principled US statesman (not an Israeli parliament leader), and the dollar was actually WORTH a dollar? Remember?

Good times. No wonder people kill themselves as they get older.
 
2008-04-18 04:16:18 PM  
mongbiohazard: I think smitty didn't actually read TFA... and neither did a lot of people in the thread thus far...

Read the what? Wait, fark links to articles?! Why didn't anyone tell me?


/dnrtfa
 
2008-04-18 04:17:13 PM  
HA Ha. Man oh man, friends enemies what the heck is this mess. Just dont go NUKEYLAR and give us the OWIL.
 
2008-04-18 04:19:14 PM  
mongbiohazard: I think smitty didn't actually read TFA... and neither did a lot of people in the thread thus far...


Hint 1: War was not declared.
Hint 2: It sounded like begging for help, actually.


FTA: In a nearly 16 minute message posted on the internet, Zawahiri accused Shi'ite Iran of seeking to annex southern Iraq and slammed the Egyptian government for "starving" its people as part of a "Zionist-American plan.

...

He said a plot against Iraq by the US and Iran would lead to the Middle East region exploding.

so lets see, he's accusing iran of something, and grouping them in with america. coming from a group that likes to chant "death to america", i'd say that isn't a fond association.
 
2008-04-18 04:19:45 PM  
The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
 
2008-04-18 04:20:22 PM  
Back with the boys again!
www.movieprop.com
/and no I didn't rtfa
//bigger things to worry about than what Al Q have said now
 
2008-04-18 04:21:45 PM  
Obviously, the Iraq thing is the center of gravity. I know people don't want to hear that, because they're fixated on getting out, but there it is. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in Anbar - I noted that Zawahiri criticized the Awakening Councils, but they are liable to be used against the Mahdi Army in Baghdad and points south sooner or later. I'd lay odds they're already being used against Shiite militias in limited circumstances, and have probably been instrumental in reactivating old Baathist intelligence networks in Shia Iraq. Sunni militias, combined with the kind of intelligence only Arabs can provide on other Arabs and American air power will be formidable indeed.

The embiggening of Iran as a result of the removal of the Baathist government in Baghdad has clearly deeply disturbed the Sunni Arabs. otherwise, the Americans couldn't have struck the deal they did in Anbar - undoubtedly with the help of the Saudis and Jordanians.

Anyway, back to the salient fact: Iraq is the center of gravity in the war against Muslim extremism, whether you like it or not. There'll be no withdrawal in 2009, or 2010, or 2011. I'd look for the offensive against the Mahdi Army and "special groups" to gather momentum. Playing the Sunni Card last winter really changed the war. I'd say we're well into Phase II now.

Time.com is claiming that Al-Sadr is back in Najaf or Kufa. I'm very skeptical of this claim. Al-Sadr has a 2,000-pounder with his name on it. If they pinpoint him within Iraq's borders, they'll splatter him for sure.
 
2008-04-18 04:22:29 PM  
looks like AQ wants the republicans to stay in office so they can bleed us the rest of the way to the poor house.
 
2008-04-18 04:23:47 PM  
coma

cute but if McCain is the tortise then Obama is the rabbit. Remember how that race turned out?

About like this one will.
 
2008-04-18 04:24:20 PM  
canyoneer: Obviously, the Iraq thing is the center of gravity. I know people don't want to hear that, because they're fixated on getting out, but there it is. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in Anbar - I noted that Zawahiri criticized the Awakening Councils, but they are liable to be used against the Mahdi Army in Baghdad and points south sooner or later. I'd lay odds they're already being used against Shiite militias in limited circumstances, and have probably been instrumental in reactivating old Baathist intelligence networks in Shia Iraq. Sunni militias, combined with the kind of intelligence only Arabs can provide on other Arabs and American air power will be formidable indeed.

The embiggening of Iran as a result of the removal of the Baathist government in Baghdad has clearly deeply disturbed the Sunni Arabs. otherwise, the Americans couldn't have struck the deal they did in Anbar - undoubtedly with the help of the Saudis and Jordanians.

Anyway, back to the salient fact: Iraq is the center of gravity in the war against Muslim extremism, whether you like it or not. There'll be no withdrawal in 2009, or 2010, or 2011. I'd look for the offensive against the Mahdi Army and "special groups" to gather momentum. Playing the Sunni Card last winter really changed the war. I'd say we're well into Phase II now.

Time.com is claiming that Al-Sadr is back in Najaf or Kufa. I'm very skeptical of this claim. Al-Sadr has a 2,000-pounder with his name on it. If they pinpoint him within Iraq's borders, they'll splatter him for sure.


Your joint, hit it and pass it.
 
2008-04-18 04:25:06 PM  
Headso: "I wonder if we can pick a side here, Al-Qaeda, a bunch of third world losers who blow up retards with suicide belts. Or Iran, a country that exports 2.5 million barrels of oil a day and has the second largest natural gas reserves in the world...hmmmmmm, well based on our brilliant foreign policy in the past I would have to go with the former..."

Uncle Sam wants the whole enchilada. They want to establish a client regime in Baghdad, marginalize Al Qaeda, topple the regime in Tehran, and roll-up Hamas and Hizbollah and the Syrian Baath Party. The whole ball of wax.
 
2008-04-18 04:28:16 PM  
canyoneer: Uncle Sam wants the whole enchilada. They want to establish a client regime in Baghdad, marginalize Al Qaeda, topple the regime in Tehran, and roll-up Hamas and Hizbollah and the Syrian Baath Party. The whole ball of wax.

exactly who is this Uncle Sam?

You mean the neocons?
 
2008-04-18 04:28:41 PM  
This zionist shill is just trying to get us to wage war with Iran...
 
2008-04-18 04:28:48 PM  
Running a-puck: Headso: I wonder if we can pick a side here, Al-Qaeda, a bunch of third world losers who blow up retards with suicide belts. Or Iran, a country that exports 2.5 million barrels of oil a day and has the second largest natural gas reserves in the world...hmmmmmm, well based on our brilliant foreign policy in the past I would have to go with the former...

And one who's younger members tend to be fairly western in outlook and enjoy American culture, or the one that really does want us to die in fires... hmmm


And the one whose westernized youth are oppressed by a pack of hardliners that would be marginalized if we re-established relations with them.

I can think of a lot of reasons why we should be at least talking to Iran right now, and about zero why we should bomb them. If we're willing to cozy up with Saudi Arabia, there isn't any reason we shouldn't do so with Iran. God forbid our oil is cheaper, our soldiers in Iraq were safer, and we'd have another ally to help us contain the Wahabis.
 
2008-04-18 04:30:53 PM  
canyoneer: topple the regime in Tehran

well, they're going to have to hold their horses until that 2.5mbpd and the 40% of the worlds crude that ships through the persian gulf can be rerouted or made up for in other ways.

Did you see that 40billion barrel find off Brazil from the other day? wow!
 
2008-04-18 04:31:32 PM  
canyoneer: Obviously, the Iraq thing is the center of gravity. I know people don't want to hear that, because they're fixated on getting out, but there it is. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in Anbar - I noted that Zawahiri criticized the Awakening Councils, but they are liable to be used against the Mahdi Army in Baghdad and points south sooner or later. I'd lay odds they're already being used against Shiite militias in limited circumstances, and have probably been instrumental in reactivating old Baathist intelligence networks in Shia Iraq. Sunni militias, combined with the kind of intelligence only Arabs can provide on other Arabs and American air power will be formidable indeed.

The embiggening of Iran as a result of the removal of the Baathist government in Baghdad has clearly deeply disturbed the Sunni Arabs. otherwise, the Americans couldn't have struck the deal they did in Anbar - undoubtedly with the help of the Saudis and Jordanians.

Anyway, back to the salient fact: Iraq is the center of gravity in the war against Muslim extremism, whether you like it or not. There'll be no withdrawal in 2009, or 2010, or 2011. I'd look for the offensive against the Mahdi Army and "special groups" to gather momentum. Playing the Sunni Card last winter really changed the war. I'd say we're well into Phase II now.

Time.com is claiming that Al-Sadr is back in Najaf or Kufa. I'm very skeptical of this claim. Al-Sadr has a 2,000-pounder with his name on it. If they pinpoint him within Iraq's borders, they'll splatter him for sure.


I thank God daily that you're not in charge of picking up a box of bearclaws from the local Dunkin Donuts, let alone any aspect of our foreign policy.
 
2008-04-18 04:32:14 PM  
Hobodeluxe: "exactly who is this Uncle Sam? You mean the neocons?

Uncle Sam would be the corporatations, the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the Eastern elite opinion-makers, and the Pentagon.

Do you really still buy into that ludicrous fairy tale about some cabal of neocons "hijacking" American foreign policy? Haha. That's rich, man.
 
2008-04-18 04:33:17 PM  
canyoneer:

Uncle Sam wants the whole enchilada. They want to establish a client regime in Baghdad, marginalize Al Qaeda, topple the regime in Tehran, and roll-up Hamas and Hizbollah and the Syrian Baath Party. The whole ball of wax.


So at the rate we're going, we should be fine in about 100-150 years or so.
 
2008-04-18 04:34:00 PM  
Kazuya: Back with the boys again!

/and no I didn't rtfa
//bigger things to worry about than what Al Q have said now


Bigger things?

Like which GIS for Rambo III you are going to post? You must be a very important/busy person.

*yawn*
 
2008-04-18 04:34:30 PM  
It's a Trap!
 
2008-04-18 04:39:22 PM  
canyoneer: Hobodeluxe: "exactly who is this Uncle Sam? You mean the neocons?

Uncle Sam would be the corporatations, the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the Eastern elite opinion-makers, and the Pentagon.

Do you really still buy into that ludicrous fairy tale about some cabal of neocons "hijacking" American foreign policy? Haha. That's rich, man.


You left out the Illuminati, Trilateral Commission, the Freemasons, and the Discordians.
 
2008-04-18 04:39:49 PM  
i244.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-18 04:39:50 PM  
slammed the Egyptian government for "starving" its people as part of a "Zionist-American plan.

AQ working the food riots angle. One nasty side effect of the food crisis is opening a door for AQ and friends to recruit even more pissed, impoverished dudes.
 
2008-04-18 04:40:38 PM  
boomaze: canyoneer: Obviously, the Iraq thing is the center of gravity. I know people don't want to hear that, because they're fixated on getting out, but there it is. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in Anbar - I noted that Zawahiri criticized the Awakening Councils, but they are liable to be used against the Mahdi Army in Baghdad and points south sooner or later. I'd lay odds they're already being used against Shiite militias in limited circumstances, and have probably been instrumental in reactivating old Baathist intelligence networks in Shia Iraq. Sunni militias, combined with the kind of intelligence only Arabs can provide on other Arabs and American air power will be formidable indeed.

The embiggening of Iran as a result of the removal of the Baathist government in Baghdad has clearly deeply disturbed the Sunni Arabs. otherwise, the Americans couldn't have struck the deal they did in Anbar - undoubtedly with the help of the Saudis and Jordanians.

Anyway, back to the salient fact: Iraq is the center of gravity in the war against Muslim extremism, whether you like it or not. There'll be no withdrawal in 2009, or 2010, or 2011. I'd look for the offensive against the Mahdi Army and "special groups" to gather momentum. Playing the Sunni Card last winter really changed the war. I'd say we're well into Phase II now.

Time.com is claiming that Al-Sadr is back in Najaf or Kufa. I'm very skeptical of this claim. Al-Sadr has a 2,000-pounder with his name on it. If they pinpoint him within Iraq's borders, they'll splatter him for sure.

Your joint, hit it and pass it.


It was a perfectly cromulent post.
 
2008-04-18 04:44:18 PM  
burndtdan: don't tell mccain, his head might explode.

Yay, it'll be raining peanuts.
 
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