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(ABC News)   Texas Rangers arrest Colorado woman with history of pretending to be a victimized girl in connection with phone call sparking polygamist sect raid that seized over 400 children. Oops, mulligan?   (abcnews.go.com ) divider line
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2008-04-18 08:52:47 AM  
Rats. This could give the defense a weapon that could get them off scot-free.
If the warrant winds up tainted, all evidence seized in the raid could be ruled as inadmissible.
 
2008-04-18 09:00:36 AM  
Just a reminder:

farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2008-04-18 09:17:43 AM  
That's why an anonymous tip for av search warrant is bullshiat.
 
2008-04-18 09:37:27 AM  
Um, would you believe exigent circumstances? No? Okay... lemme think here....

/What a CF.
 
2008-04-18 09:48:28 AM  
give me doughnuts: This could give the defense a weapon that could get them off scot-free.
If the warrant winds up tainted, all evidence seized in the raid could be ruled as inadmissible.


Here's the twist. That warrant may be thrown out but when law enforcement showed up, they became suspicious of things they saw and asked for further warrants and did not conduct further searches until those warrants were issued. I think they were going with "probable case" at that point.

It's a very weird situation to be sure.
 
2008-04-18 10:06:10 AM  
Oh goddammit.

So how long before all this ends up on a Law & Order ep somewhere, anyway?
 
2008-04-18 10:14:30 AM  
So far, no one has shown me proof of a goddamn thing besides someone raiding a "compound" the size of a freaking town, and taking all of it's children away.
 
2008-04-18 10:24:22 AM  
ekdikeo4: So far, no one has shown me proof of a goddamn thing besides someone raiding a "compound" the size of a freaking town, and taking all of it's children away.

Therein lies the problem (at least with me). I find it very disturbing that families have been forcibly separated but after hearing some of the first hand accounts of what was allegedly going on there, I am just as...if not...more disturbed.
 
2008-04-18 10:27:55 AM  
ekdikeo4: So far, no one has shown me proof of a goddamn thing besides someone raiding a "compound" the size of a freaking town, and taking all of it's children away.

So the pregnant 13 year old and the 15 year old with 3 kids isn't enough? This just in family court proceedings are kept quiet to protect the identities of the children and I don't see anything in the constitution that law enforcement needs to run things by loud mouths on FARK before they can act.
 
2008-04-18 10:51:48 AM  
I love how the media keeps referring to it as "That Polygamist Compound" it's like all the times my wife slaps me when I mention "Those people down the street..."
 
2008-04-18 11:55:50 AM  
NuttierThanEver: So the pregnant 13 year old and the 15 year old with 3 kids isn't enough? This just in family court proceedings are kept quiet to protect the identities of the children and I don't see anything in the constitution that law enforcement needs to run things by loud mouths on FARK before they can act.

No, but there are laws about search and seizure without cause. There's a shiat load of laws on the books that are there for a reason. Many of them were not followed. And that scares me. While I find their lifestyle abhorrent, that does not mean those laws should be set aside. There are many people that probably find my life abhorrent.
 
2008-04-18 12:08:15 PM  
SpaceyCat: No, but there are laws about search and seizure without cause. There's a shiat load of laws on the books that are there for a reason. Many of them were not followed.

That was the concern that I raised with the person I spoke to. It would seem that everything was done quite methodically and deliberately to make sure that there were no mistakes. (note my earlier post 9:48:28)
 
2008-04-18 12:11:51 PM  
NuttierThanEver: So the pregnant 13 year old and the 15 year old with 3 kids isn't enough?

Where's your outrage at all the other pregnant 13 year olds and 15 year olds?
 
2008-04-18 12:14:43 PM  
They should send in Chris Hansen.
 
2008-04-18 12:14:46 PM  
You'd think with playing the Red Sox tonight the Rangers would be busy but I guess not.
 
2008-04-18 12:15:06 PM  
How much would it suck if this place were like the Alamo, and there was no basement?
 
2008-04-18 12:15:07 PM  
whenever i see pictures of the people that are living in this compound, i get the urge to churn butter.
 
2008-04-18 12:15:19 PM  
I'm suprised baseball players have the right to arrest anyone.
 
2008-04-18 12:16:28 PM  
apeman12: I'm suprised baseball players have the right to arrest anyone.

I lol'd.
 
2008-04-18 12:17:32 PM  
ekdikeo4: Where's your outrage at all the other pregnant 13 year olds and 15 year olds?

Regular pregnant teens: consensual sex with similarly aged guy

FLDS pregnant teens: forced marriage to 50 year old guy
 
2008-04-18 12:18:21 PM  
apeman12: I'm suprised baseball players have the right to arrest anyone.

That's old fashioned win right there.
 
2008-04-18 12:18:30 PM  
ekdikeo4
Where's your outrage at all the other pregnant 13 year olds and 15 year olds?

And that, right there, is how you win an argument.

/golf clap
 
2008-04-18 12:18:36 PM  
ekdikeo4:
Where's your outrage at all the other pregnant 13 year olds and 15 year olds?


In the world or just in the US?

/Had my first at 16.
//Polygamy is cool, forced ANYTHING isn't.
///Seriously I don't understand how a warrant to look for 1 girl wound up netting 400+ children, they weren't all 16, they weren't all girls, and they weren't all bruised. Aren't warrants like shopping lists, you have to be pretty specific about what you're looking for.
 
2008-04-18 12:19:04 PM  
ekdikeo4: NuttierThanEver: So the pregnant 13 year old and the 15 year old with 3 kids isn't enough?

Where's your outrage at all the other pregnant 13 year olds and 15 year olds?


Nice evasion. YOu claim there was no proof of any other wrong doing, when that proof is mentioned, you counter that what about all the other 13 and 15 years olds. Does the existance of other pregnant 13 years olds make it legal for the polygamist?
 
2008-04-18 12:19:52 PM  
They are punishing the wrong people by taking the children away from their mothers. It appears that the mothers in this case are the victims also, probably forced to marry old wrinkly men when they were young and now their kids are facing the same.

Arrest all of the old man pervs and let the kids go home with their mothers and hopefully stop this vicious cycle of child molestation.
 
2008-04-18 12:20:02 PM  
give me doughnuts: Rats. This could give the defense a weapon that could get them off scot-free.
If the warrant winds up tainted, all evidence seized in the raid could be ruled as inadmissible.


What other 'evidence'? As far as I can tell, the phone calls were it.

/Big Love ftw
 
2008-04-18 12:20:04 PM  
Man, Josh Hamilton can do anything.
 
2008-04-18 12:20:10 PM  
apeman12: I'm suprised baseball players have the right to arrest anyone.

I came in here to say that. Well played.
 
2008-04-18 12:20:57 PM  
apeman12: I'm suprised baseball players have the right to arrest anyone.

img.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-18 12:21:37 PM  
apeman12: I'm suprised baseball players have the right to arrest anyone.

This, dammit I want to say that too.

/But how's their bullpen?
 
2008-04-18 12:21:40 PM  
ha, you said tainted.

taint
 
2008-04-18 12:22:17 PM  
apeman12: I'm suprised baseball players have the right to arrest anyone.

Came in here to say this. I still lol'ed.
 
2008-04-18 12:22:30 PM  
Ummm. Caller ID?
 
2008-04-18 12:22:37 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: That warrant may be thrown out but when law enforcement showed up, they became suspicious of things they saw and asked for further warrants and did not conduct further searches until those warrants were issued.

Yeah, it's going to be an interesting one, for sure.

Say the police get a call about a guy beating his wife. They show up, go inside the house and see that there was no beating. Then, they notice that the guy has a half-finished bomb on the table.

They can still arrest him for the bomb because they were there on good faith.

The test will probably come when the issuance of the warrant based on an anonymous phone call is taken to an appeals court. You can bet your ass that the lawyers for these people are going to argue that one anonymous, uncorroborated phone call is not sufficient grounds to get a search warrant for an entire religious community. They'll probably also further argue that dressing in 19th century attire and living in very monastic conditions doesn't constitute probable cause for any further searches.

Just my guess.

It's not going to end for a long time, and nobody's going to be better off when it's all said and done.
 
2008-04-18 12:23:09 PM  
ekdikeo4: NuttierThanEver: So the pregnant 13 year old and the 15 year old with 3 kids isn't enough?

Where's your outrage at all the other pregnant 13 year olds and 15 year olds?


Why do you assume that I'm not? For all you know I could be a social worker that counsels abused kids. If the first think you think of when tales of forced marriage and treating children like chattel come out is that the parents rights are being violated then you have some serious issues.
 
2008-04-18 12:23:10 PM  
Can I has raid on the saudis?
i12.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-18 12:23:16 PM  
Are those all the kids that ended up here in San Diego?

Pregnant teens will fit in well with Hell Cajon.
 
2008-04-18 12:23:34 PM  
Poor bastards.

Where's Janet Reno? We could use some common sense and judicious use of power to help alleviate the tense situation developing down there.

/bring on the tanks!!!!
 
2008-04-18 12:24:35 PM  
I feel bad for the kids all the way around. Polygamist sect to group home/foster care. I'm not sure which is better.
 
2008-04-18 12:24:46 PM  
Not that I agree with polygamy or anything, but I don't think the women were "forced" to do anything. Alot of the times, they are raised and brainwashed into thinking this kind of lifestyle is correct and God's will. That being said, it's still wrong, immoral, illegal, sick etc. Yes the wives are victims, but more because they were taken advantage of rather than 'forced' to do something. Now as for the cases where the girls were raped, that's a whole different ballgame.
 
2008-04-18 12:24:47 PM  
I know nothing at all about this case which on Fark makes me highly qualified to interject with an opinion.

I'll be standing by.
 
2008-04-18 12:25:15 PM  
techbuzz: What other 'evidence'? As far as I can tell, the phone calls were it.

From what I understand, they interviewed several of the children, and got enough probable cause from those interviews to look more closely at the whole compound. It's not that they were all dressin' like weirdos. It's that they had suspicion of child abuse from those interviews.
 
2008-04-18 12:26:42 PM  
jasuus1977: whenever i see pictures of the people that are living in this compound, i get the urge to churn butter.

I do too, but usually I see the pictures during the six o'clock news and I can't find a private place at that time of day.

Oh well...

/WHAT!?!
 
2008-04-18 12:26:45 PM  
Useless_Fact_Junkie: Not that I agree with polygamy or anything

Polygamy is defined as three or more consenting adults entering into marriage.

What's wrong with that?
 
2008-04-18 12:27:21 PM  
Chuck Norris impregnates his wives with a roundhouse kick to the groin.

Walker, Texas Ranger
 
2008-04-18 12:27:45 PM  
So they forcibly removed over 400 children from their parents, because of a "tip" from a prankster, without any hard evidence. And apparently still don't have any hard evidence, so they're grilling those poor kids now. Nice. The stuff nightmares are made of.
 
2008-04-18 12:27:49 PM  
give me doughnuts: Rats. This could give the defense a weapon that could get them off scot-free.
If the warrant winds up tainted, all evidence seized in the raid could be ruled as inadmissible.


You said tainted.
 
2008-04-18 12:28:40 PM  
Thing is about domestic abuse, you rarely have the kind of evidence the average Farker thinks need to exist before a warrant is issued.

In truth, considering that all parties involved don't often come forward, an anonymous tip is often enough to get the ball rolling.

/lose-lose
//don't much like lots of police power
///don't much like these situations where a generation of youth don't even know they're being abused
 
2008-04-18 12:28:55 PM  
Land of the free...
Unless of course the mob rule doesn't like it.
Sure, I think what they're doing is appalling but maybe we should lend a little bit of understanding to other side of the spectrum.
As much as we don't like it, there's still such an idea as religious freedom. Snake handlers practices are dangerous, stupid, and frowned upon, but it's protected under the first amendment. (freedom of religion clause)

I'm not saying what they're doing is morally "right"... Millions say being gay isn't morally right. Victim less crimes aren't crimes; I.E. I don't do drugs, but I advocate legalization of drugs. Freedom. Remember what it means.

Forefathers... spinning... graves... free energy.. etc...
 
2008-04-18 12:28:57 PM  
SchlingFo: Polygamy is defined as three or more consenting adults entering into marriage.

What's wrong with that?


Well seeing as most of the time it's a man with multiple wives, it's just not fair! Women should get to have multiple husbands too! j/k of course.

Besides if man really needs to "spread his seed" that much why even bother getting married?
 
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