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2008-04-13 04:33:37 PM
http://www.geocities.com/scaredandcold/cutesquad.html

Yes.
 
2008-04-13 04:34:54 PM
I wish. We'd have competent leadership for once.
 
2008-04-13 04:36:34 PM
Xenu would like a word with you
 
2008-04-13 04:36:37 PM
www.i-marco.nl
Isn't it obvious?
/durr
 
2008-04-13 04:37:34 PM
albo

i detect alien-like typing


This...may be a problem for me..

/They really *are* trying to take all our jobs, it seems..
 
2008-04-13 04:37:39 PM
FTA: "I believe such a scenario would be a recipe for open civil war between autocrats and democrats worldwide."

Sounds to me like the Transformers plot. Autocrats assemble! Defeat the destructicrats!!

/but Prime!
 
2008-04-13 04:39:08 PM
Just when I think that the entire world is suffering from a drug induced psychotic episode caused by bad blotter acid in the water supply, I enter a thread which proves that the insanity is only feeling the first chemical rush and it is going to be a long, hard and very ugly trip.
Hold on folks, this is where the ride gets scary.
 
2008-04-13 04:39:53 PM
Prophetica Insipia: TheJoe03: Prophetica Insipia: TheJoe03: The guy might just have a point, y'all shouldn't be so close minded.

But dont be so open minded that your brain falls out.

/extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence.

I understand that, the truth might be somewhere in the middle, but I've seen enough evidence to figure that aliens are in our general area. Sure there's no evidence they are trying to colonize us, but I really wouldn't be surprised.

Where?
Show me ONE piece of CREDIBLE evidence.

Anecdotal evidence is worthless, as the human memory has been shown to be endlessly fallible.

Aside from that, NO ONE can show you evidence of anything.

It's just giving the nutters more fuel.
They dont need any encouragement.

/Conspiracy prone personalities can be easily taken advantage of by conmen.
//teach them to think critically, not credulously.

once again;
Extra ordinary claims, REQUIRE extraordinary evidence.

/In 60+ years of this, has a solid piece of anything ever surfaced?
//what are the odds of that, if its real?


There is no way to change the opinion of people like you. I believe what I believe, you believe what you do. All I can say is I've seen some shiat personally, and videos of quite unexplainable things. Take that however you want, but some of those things have no earthly explanation. The world isn't all evidence and science, sometimes it's a bit deeper than that.
 
2008-04-13 04:41:16 PM
My two brothers are all the proof I need that aliens are here.
 
2008-04-13 04:42:11 PM
Consider the following:

In terms of things tht go boom, what comes after nuclear, thermonuclear and neutron weapons will probably be differences in degree, not kind. Antimatter weapons, KE bombs, etc. don't change the equation that much. Particle beams and lasers, maybe - but we have the tech now to deploy stuff like that - and have had the underpinning knowledge and theoretical knowledge about that for quite a few years now.

Conclusion: at a certain point, a rough parity is reached in weapons technology.

Point 2: What would be the purpose of an alien visitation? Conquest? Doubtful. The logistics are probably too costly. Colonization? Perhaps, but if you have to create a radioactive slag heap to conquer it, again, too costly to decontaminate it.

Conclusion: an aliens mucking around here would want something else.

What?

Point 3: consider the Age of Imperialism here on Earth, and the various posturings of, say, the British and the Spanish navies over, say, the South Sea Islands. Now imagine those South Sea Islanders armed with primitive cannons and muskets, inferior to but in the same general catagory as the weapons with which those navies were armed - and with the will and ability to use them.

Conclusion: the Brits and Spain would have been quite a bit more circumspect in their dealings with the population.

Point 4: As much as we would like to thin so, advanced technology does NOT equate to advanced moralities or cultures.

Conclusion: Aliens might have very much the same motivations and actions as the various nations of Earth do in their dealings with each other.

Let's assume that there might acutally be something other than smoke and mirrors to Roswell and Majestic, and is actually a situation where the "natives" showed their teeth. Seems to me that what might be occurring now is a game of cat and mouse, where two or more competing alien races might be playing a diplomatic and military game of intersteller geopolitics. In terms of an old wargame I'm familiar with, Earth is a FIW (fully industrialized world) which would be a valuable addition to any player's stable. Problem is, each player has to deal with the "tribal leaders" of a dozen or so powerful planetary tribes - while keeping the other players in the dark about what esactly they are doing. This means, among other things, a certain amount of skullduggery.

It *would* explain a lot.
 
2008-04-13 04:43:41 PM
Fluff Girl
[pic of roadside sign]

There is no such thing as an 'alien' human being... I live in southern california, right at the border... have for 20 years, so I might have a little insight into this.

If you want to blame someone for the 'aliens', blame the corporations and the white guys in their pickup trucks I see almost every morning stopping at the parking lot of the mall down the road from me. They hire these people, and enable them not only to come here, but to stay here.

Maybe if the local news would show caucasians being zip-tied and frog-marched into the ICE vans right along with the brown folks, illegal immigration would nearly stop, and might even reverse. They come here for jobs, and if there are no jobs, they won't come.
 
2008-04-13 04:46:30 PM
TheJoe03:The world isn't all evidence and science, sometimes it's a bit deeper than that.

Actually, it is. We just aren't advanced enough to grasp all of it's enormity. Science has many more hurdles to leap, many of which we'll not see in our lifetimes.
 
2008-04-13 04:47:09 PM
Of course aliens are on Earth. They case global warming,
make Bush Administration policy, and (badly)control
Tom Cruise. BUT,nobody is supposed to talk about it,
just like Fight Club and ULTRAFar~
+++++++++++CARRIER LOST+++++++++++
 
2008-04-13 04:49:57 PM
The Flexecutioner: TheJoe03:The world isn't all evidence and science, sometimes it's a bit deeper than that.

Actually, it is. We just aren't advanced enough to grasp all of it's enormity. Science has many more hurdles to leap, many of which we'll not see in our lifetimes.


Well that's was almost my point. It's kinda ridiculous to expect scientists to have evidence of things important like alien life, since we aren't capable of figuring these things out. We have videos taken by our Space Shuttles of crafts defying all of our laws of physics out in space, which kinda means that our laws of physics are maybe not real of applicable to the universe. We maybe know 1% of 1% of 1% of what's really going on.
 
2008-04-13 04:50:44 PM
First off, if an alien civilization is capable of crossing the vast distances of space to get to us, odds are we'll be able to put up little or no resistance to them. If they want us gone, we'll be dead and removed within the blink of an eye. If they want us as slaves, we'll be slaves before we can open our mouths to say "no."

That said, there's a thought that has been bumping around in my head for a little bit now:

What if we're the first?

I'm willing to accept the concept of life on other planets, but what if we're the first civilization to make it this far? We've always assumed that some hyper-advanced race will come to us, but what if WE are the most advanced race in the universe?

How terrifying of a thought is that?
 
2008-04-13 04:52:11 PM
TheJoe03: There is no way to change the opinion of people like you. I believe what I believe, you believe what you do. All I can say is I've seen some shiat personally, and videos of quite unexplainable things. Take that however you want, but some of those things have no earthly explanation. The world isn't all evidence and science, sometimes it's a bit deeper than that.

On the contrary, as I said I want evidence.
No one has ever presented me with any kind of evidence.
If They did give me conclusive evidence, I would change my beliefs. I'm an empiricist, thats how I work, on evidence and accurate information.
Thats how science works. I would love for there to be aliens involved with our planet. That would be the coolest thing that a sci-fi junkie like me could ever hope for.
The possibilities for technological advances alone would be incredible.

But the fact remains, your hands remain empty of any kind of good, not even great, or extraordinary evidence, just good evidence.
Until you show me something conclusive, I will retain my stance on the subject of extraterrestrials.

/As if a race advanced enough to travel between stars, the logistics of which alone, make it impossible, would give two flying farks about a bunch of backwater hairless apes, still bound fully to their planet, and stand constantly on the brink of their own destruction.
//Thats human arrogance.
///Do you really think WE could POSSIBLY have ANYTHING that a race that advanced would want? that they could not, or would not simply take?
 
2008-04-13 04:54:00 PM
i235.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-13 04:58:25 PM
Prophetica Insipia: Do you really think WE could POSSIBLY have ANYTHING that a race that advanced would want? that they could not, or would not simply take?

If they are visiting, it is for the same reasons that people go to the zoo.
 
2008-04-13 04:58:30 PM
Which one of the 143,999 races are we talking about again?
 
2008-04-13 04:59:51 PM
"An intimicay with the non-human is a fundamental human trait. A vast population of ghosts, ghouls, and other mythical creatures has accompanied humankind through the ages. Above these minions, as religion outranks superstition, are assembled an even more formidable array of fictitious beings, the gods and goddesses. (...) The latest manifestation of the creaking floorboard of the brain, the alien arriving from outer space, is the most interesting."

Science fiction author Brian W. Aldiss, in Nature magazine, 22 February 2001
 
2008-04-13 05:00:18 PM
Laz Long: If they are visiting, it is for the same reasons that people go to the zoo.

To have sex with lesser lifeforms?
 
2008-04-13 05:01:10 PM
Laz Long: Prophetica Insipia: Do you really think WE could POSSIBLY have ANYTHING that a race that advanced would want? that they could not, or would not simply take?

If they are visiting, it is for the same reasons that people go to the zoo.


To see the monkeys masturbate?
to hear the elephants fart?
to watch the rhinos fling shiat 30yds?

Those seemed to be the most popular last time I was at the zoo...

/Or just to throw rocks?
 
2008-04-13 05:02:01 PM
theorellior: Which one of the 143,999 races are we talking about again?

The Dutch.
 
2008-04-13 05:03:01 PM
The truth is somewhere in between is about the stupidist think I've ever seen on this site.
What does that mean? Exos are here or they are not. We could say that supid, fence sitting shiat, about anything:


Some people say God exsts, some say God does not.
The truth is in between
Thus: some guy is out there that can do some cool stuff, but only created half the universe, and will live half of forever...duh

Some people say we went to the moon, some say we did not
The truth is in between
OK, we went halfway there, did a little space walk, and now show people some rocks we dug up in New Mexico.

This placating crap is moronic. Just because there are people on two sides of an issue does NOT mean that the truth is somewhere between.
 
2008-04-13 05:03:12 PM
theorellior: Which one of the 143,999 races are we talking about again?

There are only three that are friendly.
 
2008-04-13 05:03:44 PM
Aliens, off my lawn.

www.ufobc.ca
 
2008-04-13 05:03:48 PM
Prophetica Insipia: TheJoe03: There is no way to change the opinion of people like you. I believe what I believe, you believe what you do. All I can say is I've seen some shiat personally, and videos of quite unexplainable things. Take that however you want, but some of those things have no earthly explanation. The world isn't all evidence and science, sometimes it's a bit deeper than that.

On the contrary, as I said I want evidence.
No one has ever presented me with any kind of evidence.
If They did give me conclusive evidence, I would change my beliefs. I'm an empiricist, thats how I work, on evidence and accurate information.
Thats how science works. I would love for there to be aliens involved with our planet. That would be the coolest thing that a sci-fi junkie like me could ever hope for.
The possibilities for technological advances alone would be incredible.

But the fact remains, your hands remain empty of any kind of good, not even great, or extraordinary evidence, just good evidence.
Until you show me something conclusive, I will retain my stance on the subject of extraterrestrials.

/As if a race advanced enough to travel between stars, the logistics of which alone, make it impossible, would give two flying farks about a bunch of backwater hairless apes, still bound fully to their planet, and stand constantly on the brink of their own destruction.
//Thats human arrogance.
///Do you really think WE could POSSIBLY have ANYTHING that a race that advanced would want? that they could not, or would not simply take?


No evidence I give you will change your mind. You will always find some explanation for why it isn't a UFO, and I never figured out what is good enough for doubters. I've seen what I've seen, and logic always tell me that their is life outside our own, and that they seem interested in ours.

Also, if you don't think aliens would be interested in a whole race of crazy ape men, then I dunno what to tell you. Would you not be interested in another somewhat intellectual species that has a culture and life completely different than yours?
 
2008-04-13 05:04:16 PM
Prophetica Insipia: To see the monkeys masturbate?
to hear the elephants fart?
to watch the rhinos fling shiat 30yds?


The beautiful thing about humans is we can do all three of those things.
 
2008-04-13 05:04:52 PM
albo: i googled the author. apparently there is a field of study called 'exopolitics,' which begs the question that aliens are indeed visiting the earth then discusses what they want, how they govern and see the world, and how we should communicate with them.

oh so incredibly insane. i lurve the internet


SUNY Binghamton the #1 ranked policy debate school in the country ran an exopolitics AFF this year and beat everyone they came up against.

/lost to the aliens twice
 
2008-04-13 05:06:48 PM
Excerpt:

Convention? No, I'm just new in town, moving here. Work, yeah, sort of, I guess you could call it that. I'm the advance scout for an alien invasion. I can see you don't believe me, so just play along with me, and pretend I am making up a good story.

Yeah, it's what you think: we are invading. Quietly, in twos and threes, we're invading.

Are you surprised to hear me admit this so readily? You expected Independence Day, something like that? It's not that way. Our invasion is slow and silent. You're not going to see explosions or giant spaceships hovering ominously in the sky. The revolution will not be televised.

We're subtler than you can imagine. You see, we're invading...by being delightful. By the time the first generation of hybrid babies grows up, you won't want us to leave, ever. Like us? Hell, you'll adore us.
 
2008-04-13 05:06:58 PM
There's nobody here but us Humongs.

And we're all the trouble we need.
 
2008-04-13 05:07:26 PM
Shostie:
what if WE are the most advanced race in the universe?

How terrifying of a thought is that?


Considering what a bunch of giant dickweeds we are, pretty alarming.

PunGent:
Eh, if aliens want to conquer us, and they're advanced enough to get here, they'll just pause on the far side of the sun, and dump a huge cloud of mutagens in Earth orbit.

Six months later we hit the cloud.

Ten generations later we won't resist their colonization efforts...we'll BE them.


Um, wouldn't the cloud orbit at the same speed as the earth, thus we wouldn't "run into" it? Though I suppose they could release it orbiting in the opposite direction, then we'd hit it in three months.
 
2008-04-13 05:09:51 PM
TheJoe03: We have videos taken by our Space Shuttles of crafts defying all of our laws of physics out in space,

Where do you get this stuff? What videos? If there were such videos, why would NASA cover them up?

You sound like me when I was about ten, and read the books by Erich von Daniken and it all made so much sense. And then I read some books by Carl Sagan a few years later and developed some critical reasoning ability. I think you need to examine why you need to believe so much.
 
2008-04-13 05:15:30 PM
TastyEloi: TheJoe03: We have videos taken by our Space Shuttles of crafts defying all of our laws of physics out in space,

Where do you get this stuff? What videos? If there were such videos, why would NASA cover them up?

You sound like me when I was about ten, and read the books by Erich von Daniken and it all made so much sense. And then I read some books by Carl Sagan a few years later and developed some critical reasoning ability. I think you need to examine why you need to believe so much.


Saw it on the History Channel the other day, I know that's a lame source, but hey just being honest. Also kiss my ass, and quit being so elitist just because I think their might be aliens out there. How is my critical thinking off kilter when I see a video taken from a credible source (NASA via the Hist Channel), that shows something that no human craft can possibly do? Hell I tend to not believe most of what people say, but hey I think there are aliens out there. Why does that make some of you so mad or pissy? I think it makes more sense than people who believe in a god or that kinda stuff. Just cause we have different opinions, it doesn't make me ignorant, crazy, brainwashed, or some nutty person who will believe in anything. I can say the same about many of you.
 
2008-04-13 05:16:15 PM
TheJoe03:

One piece of good evidence, that can lead to the conclusion that there is extraterrestrial intelligent life.

Thats all I, and every scientist ask.

In over 60 years, has one piece of credible evidence surfaced?

No.

If you have that piece of evidence, I suggest you present it, otherwise your argument is moot, you are trying to prove a negative.

And if you've paid any attention to logical arguments, you'd know you cant prove a negative.

Is there life elsewhere in the universe? Most likely.
Is it intelligent? Surely some of it must be, odds are we arent the only ones that have made it this far along the evolutionary ladder.
Is it actually possible, in a 4 dimensional universe with a set physics, to travel interstellar, let alone intergalactic distances, for the purpose of any kind of communication/contact/invasion/vigorous probing? No.

I suggest you take a good look at what you think is "evidence", and realize that its not worth the paper its written on.
 
2008-04-13 05:17:17 PM
ChadManMn: I hope that the alien chicks are hot

Would be cool

and easier than earth girls.

Mathematically impossible.

/Will consider "exopolitics" legitimate as soon as I see someone speak on the topic at the UN.
 
2008-04-13 05:17:22 PM
rewind2846
There is no such thing as an 'alien' human being.
i23.photobucket.com

You're right. They're each one of god's beautiful creations. Creations that come from another country. Key word here: "OTHER," which is all "alien" means. Thus, really, everyone but you is an alien.

Booga booga.
 
2008-04-13 05:17:30 PM
TheJoe03: TastyEloi: TheJoe03: We have videos taken by our Space Shuttles of crafts defying all of our laws of physics out in space,

Where do you get this stuff? What videos? If there were such videos, why would NASA cover them up?

You sound like me when I was about ten, and read the books by Erich von Daniken and it all made so much sense. And then I read some books by Carl Sagan a few years later and developed some critical reasoning ability. I think you need to examine why you need to believe so much.

Saw it on the History Channel the other day, I know that's a lame source, but hey just being honest. Also kiss my ass, and quit being so elitist just because I think their might be aliens out there. How is my critical thinking off kilter when I see a video taken from a credible source (NASA via the Hist Channel), that shows something that no human craft can possibly do? Hell I tend to not believe most of what people say, but hey I think there are aliens out there. Why does that make some of you so mad or pissy? I think it makes more sense than people who believe in a god or that kinda stuff. Just cause we have different opinions, it doesn't make me ignorant, crazy, brainwashed, or some nutty person who will believe in anything. I can say the same about many of you.


Are you actually citing a History Channel show?

FAIL.
 
2008-04-13 05:19:33 PM
I personally do believe in extraterrastrial lifeforms outside of Earth.. I based my beliefs purely on statistical and mathematical probability and the fact that millions of lifeforms exist on this one lil rock alone...to think out of billions of planets and star systems out there we're the only one that contains life is extremely arrogant and presumptous...and if you do believe in the almighty God/ruler of universe etc then even more so otherwise you are only limiting God's power.

/my 2c
 
2008-04-13 05:20:18 PM
---------------
Shostie 2008-04-13 04:50:44 PM
First off, if an alien civilization is capable of crossing the vast distances of space to get to us, odds are we'll be able to put up little or no resistance to them. If they want us gone, we'll be dead and removed within the blink of an eye. If they want us as slaves, we'll be slaves before we can open our mouths to say "no."

That said, there's a thought that has been bumping around in my head for a little bit now:

What if we're the first?

I'm willing to accept the concept of life on other planets, but what if we're the first civilization to make it this far? We've always assumed that some hyper-advanced race will come to us, but what if WE are the most advanced race in the universe?

How terrifying of a thought is that?
----------------

I've thought about this from time to time. Even worse, what if we are it? What if there were no other life out there in the universe at all? Statistically, neither of those concepts should be true, but there is that chance.

Here's another one. I don't think any race has made it off their home planet. Social spending will increase to the point where there aren't any resources left for a race to have the knowledge or means to move off planet in any usefull way. My own theory is that we won't die with a bang or a whimper, but that we will die while choking on our own piss an vomit as a race.
 
2008-04-13 05:20:32 PM
PunGent: "the unfriendly types such as the Grays and dangerous Reptilians are in the minority of extraterrestrial races frequenting this planet"

Heh, if he's biatching about Sectoids and Snakemen, wait until he runs into Ethereals...


And then you go for a swim and those damn Lobster Men come after you.

/skrew the vibro blade; just get a Sonic Cannon
 
2008-04-13 05:21:18 PM
img156.imageshack.us
 
2008-04-13 05:21:41 PM
TheJoes03: "It's kinda ridiculous to expect scientists to have evidence of things important like alien life, since we aren't capable of figuring these things out."

But you are? You have evidence, where no scientist does?
 
2008-04-13 05:24:02 PM
TheJoe03: TastyEloi: TheJoe03: We have videos taken by our Space Shuttles of crafts defying all of our laws of physics out in space,

Where do you get this stuff? What videos? If there were such videos, why would NASA cover them up?

You sound like me when I was about ten, and read the books by Erich von Daniken and it all made so much sense. And then I read some books by Carl Sagan a few years later and developed some critical reasoning ability. I think you need to examine why you need to believe so much.

Saw it on the History Channel the other day, I know that's a lame source, but hey just being honest. Also kiss my ass, and quit being so elitist just because I think their might be aliens out there. How is my critical thinking off kilter when I see a video taken from a credible source (NASA via the Hist Channel), that shows something that no human craft can possibly do? Hell I tend to not believe most of what people say, but hey I think there are aliens out there. Why does that make some of you so mad or pissy? I think it makes more sense than people who believe in a god or that kinda stuff. Just cause we have different opinions, it doesn't make me ignorant, crazy, brainwashed, or some nutty person who will believe in anything. I can say the same about many of you.


I don't have a problem with someone who believes there may be aliens out there. Given the size and age of the universe, there probably are. But that doesn't necessarily translate into "they're here observing us." Believe me, lots of people, including myself, would love to discover that aliens are traveling here. And perhaps they are--but in order to actually believe that, there has to be very convincing evidence demonstrating it.

I've seen some of the same History Channel programs you have. All of the so-called evidence they show is presented with aliens as the only possible explanation. The reality is, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The evidence shown on the History Channel just isn't conclusive. The History Channel unfortunately shows this stuff because it gets ratings.
 
2008-04-13 05:25:14 PM
TheJoe03: We have videos taken by our Space Shuttles of crafts defying all of our laws of physics out in space,

I saw that same show. They went on later to explain that ice particles floating close to the shuttle could look like far-off objects and that small movements of the (hand-held) camera give the impression that they are performing extraordinary maneuvers.
 
2008-04-13 05:25:47 PM
I read that as "anal-ized by colonies" ... not sure what that means. Must speak with my psychoanalyst to see what this is all about.
 
2008-04-13 05:27:16 PM
Laz Long: I saw that same show. They went on later to explain that ice particles floating close to the shuttle could look like far-off objects and that small movements of the (hand-held) camera give the impression that they are performing extraordinary maneuvers.

Actually, I saw that footage without the explanation and it was pretty farking obvious that's what was going on.
 
2008-04-13 05:27:30 PM
I've got one that can hyperlink.
 
2008-04-13 05:29:09 PM
bookman: Consider the following:

...

Let's assume that there might acutally be something other than smoke and mirrors to Roswell and Majestic, and is actually a situation where the "natives" showed their teeth. Seems to me that what might be occurring now is a game of cat and mouse, where two or more competing alien races might be playing a diplomatic and military game of intersteller geopolitics. In terms of an old wargame I'm familiar with, Earth is a FIW (fully industrialized world) which would be a valuable addition to any player's stable. Problem is, each player has to deal with the "tribal leaders" of a dozen or so powerful planetary tribes - while keeping the other players in the dark about what esactly they are doing. This means, among other things, a certain amount of skullduggery.

It *would* explain a lot.


But wouldn't there be more unexplained situations flaring up everywhere? Surely there would be conflict - and SOMEone would catch an alien on a camcorder. I mean, EVERYTHING gets caught on a camcorder nowadays. So if they are around, why are they never filmed?

My point is, it's one thing if they are flying around, abducting people, etc - but it's a whole 'nother concept that they live here. I mean, assuming they don't look exactly like humans?

If I worked on Mythbusters - I would give this concept a "busted"
 
2008-04-13 05:29:45 PM
rewind2846: If you want to blame someone for the 'aliens', blame the corporations and the white guys in their pickup trucks I see almost every morning stopping at the parking lot of the mall down the road from me. They hire these people, and enable them not only to come here, but to stay here.

Don't be ridiculous. Do we prosecute the people who hire hit men? Do we prosecute the people who hire prostitutes? Is it illegal to buy as well as sell drugs? If you get in the way of my stabbing, does that somehow make me a murderer?

American employers are powerless before the illegal menace. There's no possible way to tell who's legal to work and who's not. They hypnotize us into making them 10% of our workforce with their seductive Latin rhythms. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM SO DANGEROUS.
 
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