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(Newsday)   Annoyed by the teen next to you, blabbing away on his cellphone, during your train ride home from work? There's now legal precedent in NY saying that you may 'lightly' assault him without fear of consequence   (newsday.com) divider line 236
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2008-04-09 11:33:33 AM
Batewoman: I never understood why people got so mad about cell phone conversations in public places. It's the same as if they were having a conversation with another person right in front of you except that you can't hear the other person. Why is one considered rude and the other not?


I think it's because people tend to talk much more loudly on their cells than to an actual person sitting next to them.

While this man definitely has issues, I can definitely see how other's total lack of courtesy might eventually drive someone over the edge. I ride my bike to work as much as possible in part to avoid the extreme rudeness of people on the subway (thank goodness cell phones aren't one of the annoyances there - at least not yet!).
 
2008-04-09 11:34:43 AM
macross87: wheres that "idk my bff jill" slap pick when you need it... too busy at work

Ask and ye shall receive

i101.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-09 11:34:46 AM
jst3p: The problem (people expecting privacy and quiet on public transit) is caused by idiots. The solution lies in allowing abortions up to the 95th trimester for idiots.

this
 
2008-04-09 11:35:00 AM
"I don't think I should be punished for maintaining my rights to be alone," Clifford said outside court.

You're on a public train. keyword: PUBLIC
 
2008-04-09 11:35:32 AM
"celebrated with a cigar outside court."
Was this a designated smoking area? If not I hope one of the folks just trying to read their paper and drink their coffee slapped him upside the head and put the cigar out for him.
 
2008-04-09 11:35:42 AM
Damnit.

img101.imageshack.us
 
2008-04-09 11:36:23 AM
When you ride public transit (or just go out in public in most cities in the world, in general) you just have to keep in mind this:

"Hell is other people."

Then everything falls into place and you can accept it.

/(I think it was Sartre, too lazy to look it up)
 
2008-04-09 11:36:41 AM
Maybe the next guy he snaps his fingers at will break his nose.
 
2008-04-09 11:37:00 AM
brap
This sort of self-important blow-hard can be found on most any mode of public transportation. I do appreciate the man's desire to read and have people use their "elevator" voices. However he appears to be one of those self righteous manner's bludgeoners.

My favorite are the people who get bumped into on sardine-packed crowded trains that are shaking around like a carnival ride and aggressively yell "EXCUSE ME! GEEZE! SAY EXCUSE ME WHEN YOU BUMP INTO ME! GOD! F*CKING PEOPLE! GEEZE! DID YOU SEE THAT GUY? GEEEZE! HOW RUDE!"

Like screaming your head off at some doddering schlup with poor balance makes you Miss Manners. I tell you it made my bout with vertigo a real joy.



When I was pregnant, I accidentally bumped into a lady boarding an extremely crowded train to Brooklyn from Manhattan, she freaked the fark out. So much that I started to cry, maybe I was just all emotional because I was a whale (being all pregnant)-but I'll never forget that biatch. Then this morning I got on another crowded ass train and noticed that the standing passengers had all crammed to one end...then I smelled it. I guess it's what a dead person smells like, but this particular homeless individual was very very much alive. Everyone was covering their faces and one man was even trying to stop dry heaving. As soon as the train stopped everyone got off and ran to the next car. I guess we're ass holes too because no one warned all the commuters getting on the stinky car what they were in for.
 
2008-04-09 11:37:13 AM
jst3p: cerberus9: I've thought long and hard about this issue, so I'm somewhat of an Internet Expert on the subject.

The problem (unfathomably rude people misusing cell phones on public transit) is caused by technology (cell phones). The solution, therefore, also lies with technology (cell phone jammers).

Q.E.D.

The problem (people expecting privacy and quiet on public transit) is caused by idiots. The solution lies in allowing abortions up to the 95th trimester for idiots.


So now both sides have solutions! Seems like a win-win situation to me!

phonejammer.com (new window)
 
2008-04-09 11:37:33 AM
On the same news page is a link to "Long Island mug shots". Picture number 19
www.newsday.com

Brian Schropfer, 17, a Selden honors student, was arrested and charged in early March with a misdemeanor in the false report of a school shooting. Suffolk police said Schropfer wanted an extra day off from Newfield High School and sent an instant message to a few of his friends encouraging them to spread a rumor that there'd be a shooting on Monday, Feb. 25. Concerned parents called police. (April 4, 2008)

WTF?
 
2008-04-09 11:37:33 AM
Batewoman: I don't even see how it's rudeness. Where is it written that you have to be courteous to your fellow bus/train passengers by sitting perfectly silently? Since when has it been considered rude to have a conversation in public? Is it just because you can't hear the other side that it's rude?

In all honestly you do have a point. However, a person on a cell phone generally (in my experience) talks more loudly that two people who are together and a lone person with a cellphone is loud while a lone person without a cellphone is quiet.

I suppose it may not be rudeness, but the prevalence of cell phone conversations is certainly annoying.

/get off my lawn
 
2008-04-09 11:37:44 AM
Good Lord, those other people involved in the case must have come off as colossal a-holes if the Judge found in favor of Mr. LIRR Toughguy...
 
2008-04-09 11:38:07 AM
fuzzwell: Get a cell-phone blocker and just cut their signal.
Done and done.


You better not be obvious about it, or the results will not be pretty.
 
2008-04-09 11:38:18 AM
railraod...

lulz
 
2008-04-09 11:38:21 AM
LIRR commuters "think it's their absolute right to talk as loud as they want," Clifford said on the stand. "It's my intention to keep people from annoying me."


If I had the same commute I would make it a point to sit next to this guy and talk on my phone every single day. Eventually he will do more than yell and give a light slap.
 
2008-04-09 11:38:22 AM
LIRR commuters "think it's their absolute right to talk as loud as they want," Clifford said on the stand. "It's my intention to keep people from annoying me."

So do Metro-North commuters.

jst3p: Those who have yet to full accept this technology are confused and annoyed that others act in a way that is different from the way they act.

Some who have fully accepted this technology have noticed that many others have not fully accepted it is no longer the early nineties AND THAT THEY NO LONGER NEED TO SHOUT INTO THE PHONE SO THAT A PERSON SITTING FOUR ROWS AWAY CAN HEAR THEIR ENTIRE CONVERSATION OVER FULLY TURNED UP IPOD HEADPHONES.
 
2008-04-09 11:38:50 AM
stiletto_the_wise: my bad. That one was good too. But the string quartet FTW.

/can't find teh yootube of it :(
 
2008-04-09 11:38:54 AM
jst3p
"I don't like [insert personal preference here], why does he like it? I hate that he likes it!"

Welcome to our country, where our sense of peace is attained by forcefully imposing our personal preferences upon those who cannot defend themselves.

Enjoy your stay!
 
2008-04-09 11:38:54 AM
IF their female
/assault
//Rape
///Rape
You said rape twice " We really like rape"
obscure?
 
2008-04-09 11:38:55 AM
Batewoman: jst3p: The problem (people expecting privacy and quiet on public transit) is caused by idiots. The solution lies in allowing abortions up to the 95th trimester for idiots.

this


Translation: I'm one of those rude idiots who uses my cell phone without any discretion whatsoever, because the world revolves around me!

/that's a jammin'
 
2008-04-09 11:39:13 AM
"However he appears to be one of those self righteous manner's bludgeoners."

So nice to have them around. By his example maybe we will have more. In restaraunts, theaters, and planes. Towns should encourage more bludgeoning manners people by offrering free dinners, movie tickets or free drinks.

I'm hoping this step will be enough to get us to the next step which would be the "self rightous shove the phone up thier ass'ers'".
 
2008-04-09 11:39:25 AM
how about one of these:

Link
 
2008-04-09 11:39:51 AM
LIRR tough guys are great, I see at least five of them (all huddled together) after the Rangers games on the 3:20 am back to Babylon.
 
2008-04-09 11:40:34 AM
lol funny one Pinner

"Hello Honey..when you get home tonight, let's engage in some gentle molestation"..

I digress, anyway, I think this guy exhibits anti-social behavior, in need of some therapy or someone to talk to, probably missing something in his life. I think had someone sat down with him, maybe brought out a little joint or two, sung kumbya..together..lol anyway you get the point, maybe the train should have sprung a little money together to give the guy a lapdance or something.

I exhibited a little anti-social behavior yesterday, a bunch of kids were throwing popcorn in the movie theater, hitting the lady a few seats down and myself, at the corner of my eye I saw them toss them, walked over to them, asked them to stop and got back to my seat, where they resumed. At that point, I walked over to mgmt, they came back and tossed the kids out.

Where was the anti-social behavior? It was a strong strong urge in my mind as I thought about taking the popcorn and shoving it in their faces with my fists. But I didn't act on it, it's not satisfaction if there are repercussions later. Plus I got a free movie pass for it all.
 
2008-04-09 11:41:09 AM
Joe USer: fuzzwell: Get a cell-phone blocker and just cut their signal.
Done and done.

You better not be obvious about it, or the results will not be pretty.


All you need is a portable jammer. As soon as some idiot starts talking about how "wild" there weekend, was, reach into your pocket and flick on the jammer for 5-10 seconds. Repeat as necessary.
 
2008-04-09 11:41:12 AM
I missed the part in the bill of rights that lists your right to not be annoyed or offended. Can someone show it to me?
 
2008-04-09 11:41:54 AM
cerberus9: Joe USer: fuzzwell: Get a cell-phone blocker and just cut their signal.
Done and done.

You better not be obvious about it, or the results will not be pretty.

All you need is a portable jammer. As soon as some idiot starts talking about how "wild" there weekend, was, reach into your pocket and flick on the jammer for 5-10 seconds. Repeat as necessary.


So you propose being the "tough guy" minus the "tough"?
 
2008-04-09 11:41:57 AM
ThatGuyGreg: I'm pretty sure I'd beat him to within an inch of his life, and call the cops myself. stew quietly about it and then blog about it the instant I got home

Fixed
 
2008-04-09 11:42:17 AM
"I don't think I should be punished for maintaining my rights to be alone," Clifford said outside court.

Alone. In public? You asshat, you can't have it both ways.
 
2008-04-09 11:42:23 AM
cerberus9: Translation: I'm one of those rude idiots who uses my cell phone without any discretion whatsoever, because the world revolves around me!

/that's a jammin'


In fact that's not the case. I think there ARE definitely certain rules of cell phone etiquette. I don't think people should talk on cell phones in public bathrooms as it tends to embarrass others who are in there to use the bathroom. I think it's rude to "chat" on the cell phone for something that is not an emergency when there is somebody standing right there in front of you trying to be social with you.

But it's a train. A public train. There are just certain situations where you simply cannot expect peace and quiet because that's an idiotic and unrealistic expectation.
 
2008-04-09 11:42:26 AM
cerberus9: The problem (unfathomably rude people misusing cell phones on public transit) is caused by technology

...If that's your logic, then people blabbing loudly on their cell phones caused my fists to hit them repeatedly.
 
2008-04-09 11:43:12 AM
SnoreCriminal: torch: He's a retired cop.


That is all.

He beat up someone talking on the phone, learning about a family member who was in the hospital.

That is all.


And got away with it, only because he's a retired cop. Torch was right.
 
2008-04-09 11:43:14 AM
mattharvest: AuntofDogface: If I were on the train and this man were to lay a hand on me, I would have him arrested.

Bingo: it is never okay to assault someone because you're bothered by their having a phone conversation around you.

Except for actual threats of violence, there is no permissible response of violence to speech. If someone is bothering you with what they're saying around you, then (unless you're in a special circumstance where speech is limited) the only response is for you to speak back, or leave.

Adults don't respond to speech with violence; that is only for misbehaving children.


Like with the airplanes/cell phone thing, I'd just eat beans and eggs for a week and the rest will take care of itself. Meet your aural assault with my ass-assault.

No need for violence here.
 
2008-04-09 11:43:16 AM
walnuts55: IF their female
/assault
//Rape
///Rape
You said rape twice " We really like rape"
obscure?


No.

/The new sheriff's a'near!
 
2008-04-09 11:43:34 AM
AuntofDogface:
If I were on the train and this man were to lay a hand on me, I would have him arrested. While he may get off like he did in this instance, I would take great pleasure in seeing his time wasted. It wouldn't bother me in the least if I missed time from work, etc. to make this asstard's life remotely miserable. One day, he's going to confront the wrong person and get a beatdown.


While I agree that getting in an extended argument with a stranger, which is, essentially, what this was, is a bad thing and the guy's status as a reserve police officer should be seriously reconsidered, I'm gonna have to note that people like you are the reason that our court system cannot complete its constitutional mandate of speedy and public trial, and I hope you manage to get yourself killed before you have an opportunity to exploit our judicial branch for your amusement and its detriment.

Or, to put it in a single phrase, die in a fire.

//Assault is designed to put genuinely dangerous people away, and the necessarily loose guidelines as to what constitutes assault unfortunately make it easy for people to get relatively harmless activities like arguments and brief scuffles treated as crimes. This is why we have judges and juries to exercise judgement as to whether something was actually an intended serous threat of harm, and in this case it looks like the judge did exactly that. Good times.
 
2008-04-09 11:44:10 AM
CasperImproved: He is a 60 yr old "Decorum Officer" so I assume he has special powers ...

No he's not, and no he doesn't. He is, according to the article, a "self-appointed decorum enforcer." He has no actual title and no actual authority.
 
2008-04-09 11:44:35 AM
Shakespeare's Monkey: I'll see if he's available. Is it ironic if I call him on a cell phone?

/double dumbass to you!
//nothing is obscure, evar!


Star Trek IV?

I really hate cops, especially the power trip cops. But I hate cellphone farktards even more. I have an almost uncontrollable compulsion to punch those mother farkers with the bluetooth on the other side of the head, in an attempt to see how far I can launch the bluetooth.

Cellphone use in public is one of those things that seriously pisses me off. Why is it necessary to scream into the cellphone so everyone within a quarter mile can hear your half of your dumbass conversation? If they speak just a little louder, they probably wouldn't need to use the phone at all.
 
2008-04-09 11:44:57 AM
Cell phone convo at the movies? Death penalty. Cell phone convo at a restaurant? Death Penalty. Cell phone convo while driving? Death Penalty.

Cell phone convo on the subway? Not so annoying.

I've walked out on a date when he answered his cell phone. He said, "I need to take this call" I excused myself to the restroom and never returned.

Yes, your voice is louder when you talk on a cell. It IS rude.
 
2008-04-09 11:45:07 AM
phillydrifter: cerberus9: The problem (unfathomably rude people misusing cell phones on public transit) is caused by technology

...If that's your logic, then people blabbing loudly on their cell phones caused my fists to hit them repeatedly.


Excellent point. I should have used the term "facilitated" as opposed to "caused".
 
2008-04-09 11:45:23 AM
The New York Times article that was mentioned

Link

(new window)

Mr. Clifford here is a grade-A douchebag
 
2008-04-09 11:45:39 AM
Gwinny: I think it's because people tend to talk much more loudly on their cells than to an actual person sitting next to them.

True, but they probably wouldn't do this if the person on the other side could still hear them if they were using a quieter voice. Sometimes you just have to talk louder to be heard with these little bits of technology.
 
2008-04-09 11:46:09 AM
Another self righteous prick who thinks the world revolves around them. You want to enjoy your ride in peace and quiet? Drive in, don't take public transportation. It is crowded, loud and generally unpleasant.

/loves public transport
//doesn't fear the world
 
2008-04-09 11:46:13 AM
Link (new window)

fixed link
 
2008-04-09 11:46:24 AM
A few comments:

I ride LIRR every day to get to work. A few times, I've gone from Long Beach. People talking on the train can be VERY annoying, and if you are loud enough, especialy in the morning, people WILL shout at you to STFU. People enjoy their sleep or a peacefull morning commute.

Second, my wife, being from long beach, personally knows this guy. He's a HUGE a-hole according to her, and people do avoid him, because not only does he get in your face, he uses the fact that he is a reserve cop to intimidate you. And if you don't know any better, you think he can arrest you.

That being said, he was really wrong for touching someone, and the judge made a very bad call.
 
2008-04-09 11:46:38 AM
walnuts55: You said rape twice " We really like rape"
not at all obscure?

tbn0.google.com

/right scene
//wrong people
///where the white women at?
 
2008-04-09 11:46:59 AM
WTF unfetchable?

last try

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/nyregion/09train.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=nyr egion&pagewanted=print
 
2008-04-09 11:47:04 AM
I was with a friend last night at a Comedy Club. During the act, she got a phone call and proceeded to chat.

Holy crap, Batman- I knocked the damn thing out of her hand and made her buy me a drink to get her phone back.

Ima tuff girl.
 
2008-04-09 11:47:48 AM
What. A. Moran.

You can have privacy at home! In public: not yours!

Around here (itty bitty Denmark) the local trains (called S-trains and the Metro) don't have any rules about the whole cell phone shabang, or even the music shabang. Mostly, it's regarded as unnecessary on such short rides as is customary on these lines, somewhere between 2 and 45 minutes.

On the longer intercity train rides, there are Silent Cars where you can't talk on your phone (texting is okay if it's set to silent), can't hear music (loud enough for anyone to hear) and (this is the best one: NO FARKING KIDDIES!

Even better than that is that even groups of teenagers will actually STFU and go somewhere else in the train if they wanna be loud! Usually, if they're sitting in the silent cars, they're there by mistake and leave pretty quickly when told to STFU.

/just bragging
//hehe... shabang...
///shaBANG, shaBANG, shaBANG!
//what a word!
/SLASHIES!
 
2008-04-09 11:48:08 AM
ScotchBender: Yep, takes a real man to lose his temper, scream and carry on like a farking rabid retard.

While I agree in one's right to express oneself as one pleases, I also support the right of a person who is getting yelled at by said simpleton hothead, to soundly punch him in the nose, without legal consequences.

There would be a lot less simpleton hotheads in short order. Sneering belligerent asshatery only thrives where just and sound retribution is outlawed.
 
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