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(Newsday)   Annoyed by the teen next to you, blabbing away on his cellphone, during your train ride home from work? There's now legal precedent in NY saying that you may 'lightly' assault him without fear of consequence   (newsday.com ) divider line
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2008-04-09 09:41:00 AM  
I'm very torn. On the one hand, I fully support any and all efforts to inflict bodily harm on people who lack basic phone etiquette skills in public. On the other, I look at people who expect quiet and privacy on public transportation, unless they're specifically riding a designated quiet car or other such situation, as functionally retarded. There's really just a whole shiatload of fail represented in this article across the board.
 
2008-04-09 09:52:06 AM  
Pocket Ninja: There's really just a whole shiatload of fail represented in this article across the board.

And an even bigger fail on the submitter's part for apparently not RTFA.
 
2008-04-09 09:57:56 AM  
Yep, takes a real man to lose his temper, scream and carry on like a farking rabid retard.
 
2008-04-09 09:59:18 AM  
Pocket Ninja: I'm very torn. On the one hand, I fully support any and all efforts to inflict bodily harm on people who lack basic phone etiquette skills in public. On the other, I look at people who expect quiet and privacy on public transportation, unless they're specifically riding a designated quiet car or other such situation, as functionally retarded. There's really just a whole shiatload of fail represented in this article across the board.

If I were on the train and this man were to lay a hand on me, I would have him arrested. While he may get off like he did in this instance, I would take great pleasure in seeing his time wasted. It wouldn't bother me in the least if I missed time from work, etc. to make this asstard's life remotely miserable. One day, he's going to confront the wrong person and get a beatdown.

I hope he isn't on a train with my cousin (who rides the LIRR daily). While my cousin wouldn't be doing the cel phone thing, he would certainly go all ninja on this guy's ass.
 
2008-04-09 10:03:19 AM  
AuntofDogface: If I were on the train and this man were to lay a hand on me, I would have him arrested.

Bingo: it is never okay to assault someone because you're bothered by their having a phone conversation around you.

Except for actual threats of violence, there is no permissible response of violence to speech. If someone is bothering you with what they're saying around you, then (unless you're in a special circumstance where speech is limited) the only response is for you to speak back, or leave.

Adults don't respond to speech with violence; that is only for misbehaving children.
 
2008-04-09 10:04:13 AM  
mattharvest: Adults don't respond to speech with violence; that is only for misbehaving children.

shut up before I kick your ass.
 
2008-04-09 10:05:39 AM  
LIRR spokesman Joe Calderone said in a statement Tuesday that the railraod was disappointed about the ruling.

Does this apply on railroads as well?
 
2008-04-09 10:06:40 AM  
slobarnuts: LIRR

LIRR = Long Island RailRoad
 
2008-04-09 10:15:43 AM  
This sort of self-important blow-hard can be found on most any mode of public transportation. I do appreciate the man's desire to read and have people use their "elevator" voices. However he appears to be one of those self righteous manner's bludgeoners.

My favorite are the people who get bumped into on sardine-packed crowded trains that are shaking around like a carnival ride and aggressively yell "EXCUSE ME! GEEZE! SAY EXCUSE ME WHEN YOU BUMP INTO ME! GOD! F*CKING PEOPLE! GEEZE! DID YOU SEE THAT GUY? GEEEZE! HOW RUDE!"

Like screaming your head off at some doddering schlup with poor balance makes you Miss Manners. I tell you it made my bout with vertigo a real joy.
 
2008-04-09 10:18:40 AM  
Get a cell-phone blocker and just cut their signal.

Done and done.
 
2008-04-09 10:22:49 AM  
I had been really tempted lately to ask rowdy school kids on the Philly subways systems to not scream in the train, please don't play music out loud as it is rude and posted that it isn't allowed, etc. But considering the violence by teenagers lately in and around the subways here, I've started rethinking these urges. It makes me sad that even though I am not the one in wrong, as a single woman travelling on the train I am too afraid of mobs of children to speak up in the name of politeness.

/City life, do not want
 
2008-04-09 10:31:33 AM  
I read the NYT article on this on the way to work today - this douche takes up no less than FIVE seats because (he says) he needs them to keep from hurting his back.

Fark THAT - I expect your ass to use your "inside" voice when chatting to your friends on the bus at 6:30 in the damn morning - but I would *welcome* some ex-cop to lay a hand on me or my wife if he didn't like our talking.

I'm pretty sure I'd beat him to within an inch of his life, and call the cops myself.

/internet tough guy
 
2008-04-09 10:32:09 AM  
Ahoytheship: Philly

There's your trouble.
 
2008-04-09 10:34:36 AM  
"I don't think I should be punished for maintaining my rights to be alone," Clifford said outside court.

Which part of the word "Public" in "Public Transportation" do you not understand, numbnuts?

If you want to be alone, keep your grouchy ass at home.
 
2008-04-09 10:40:27 AM  
Fellow commuter Lydia Klein, who according to published reports works as a financial adviser in Manhattan, attempted to hand Bender her business card as on offer of assistance. Clifford allegedly tried to take the card from her and slapped her hand twice.

No way!! Yeah, he'd have some broken toes if he pulled that crap on me.

He's nothing but a farking bully.
 
2008-04-09 10:49:32 AM  

He's a retired cop.



That is all.
 
2008-04-09 11:24:25 AM  
If you forget to yell "get off my lawn" can you still use this defense?
 
2008-04-09 11:24:34 AM  
The court system does work!
 
2008-04-09 11:25:24 AM  
sure. maybe if you're a retired New York Police Department officer.
 
2008-04-09 11:25:29 AM  
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2008-04-09 11:26:28 AM  
ScotchBender: Yep, takes a real man to lose his temper, scream and carry on like a farking rabid retard.

Thread over.

/reformed rabid retard
 
2008-04-09 11:26:34 AM  
I never understood why people got so mad about cell phone conversations in public places. It's the same as if they were having a conversation with another person right in front of you except that you can't hear the other person. Why is one considered rude and the other not?

Unless you're in a library or out to dinner or something with the person who is on the cell phone, get over it. You're not entitled to silence in public places.
 
2008-04-09 11:26:48 AM  
"Light assault"?
How about a gentle molestation?
 
2008-04-09 11:27:13 AM  
www.defencetalk.com

Did someone say "Light Assault"?

USMC LAV-25 Light Assault Vehicle
It would solve the problem, I suppose
 
2008-04-09 11:27:18 AM  
farm3.static.flickr.com

I'll see if he's available. Is it ironic if I call him on a cell phone?

/double dumbass to you!
//nothing is obscure, evar!
 
2008-04-09 11:27:45 AM  
I've thought long and hard about this issue, so I'm somewhat of an Internet Expert on the subject.

The problem (unfathomably rude people misusing cell phones on public transit) is caused by technology (cell phones). The solution, therefore, also lies with technology (cell phone jammers).

Q.E.D.
 
2008-04-09 11:27:45 AM  
The prosecution said Clifford cursed at Bender and called him a slur.

Is this good English? It doesn't seem right to me unless he actually said "you sir, are a slur".

Anyways, while I despise rudeness you should not get to fark around with some asshat like this just because they are annoying you.
 
2008-04-09 11:28:07 AM  
In my terribly unscientific study of cellphone use on public transportation, I have concluded that non-English-speaking cellphone users are louder than English-speaking ones.

My hypothesis is that non-English-speakers assume that nobody else can understand them, so they think that no matter how loud they are they can still have privacy.
 
2008-04-09 11:28:14 AM  
FTFA: Following the verdict, the retired New York Police Department officer...

Well that's all I needed to read. Nothing has actually changed.
 
2008-04-09 11:28:52 AM  
Where the hero tag for this guy...........Oh my god........really....you know.........oh my god......no......kuz she was like.......you know.......
/every day on the the train
 
2008-04-09 11:28:55 AM  
torch: He's a retired cop.


That is all.


He beat up someone talking on the phone, learning about a family member who was in the hospital.

That is all.
 
2008-04-09 11:29:03 AM  
I prefer using this method of humiliating mobile phone talkers. (not a RickRoll)
 
2008-04-09 11:29:59 AM  
Damnit altinos.

You beat me to it.

+1
 
2008-04-09 11:30:18 AM  
Jument: Anyways, while I despise rudeness you should not get to fark around with some asshat like this just because they are annoying you.

I don't even see how it's rudeness. Where is it written that you have to be courteous to your fellow bus/train passengers by sitting perfectly silently? Since when has it been considered rude to have a conversation in public? Is it just because you can't hear the other side that it's rude?
 
2008-04-09 11:30:25 AM  
Batewoman: I never understood why people got so mad about cell phone conversations in public places. It's the same as if they were having a conversation with another person right in front of you except that you can't hear the other person. Why is one considered rude and the other not?

Unless you're in a library or out to dinner or something with the person who is on the cell phone, get over it. You're not entitled to silence in public places.


Some have yet to embrace the cell phone as being as common as the conversation with a person standing next to the cell phone user. Those who have yet to full accept this technology are confused and annoyed that others act in a way that is different from the way they act. They think "I don't like talking on the phone, why does he like it? I hate that he likes it!" The difference in behavior from what he feels should be "normal" upsets him and the result is usually a childish outburst.
 
2008-04-09 11:30:27 AM  
Blues_X

I see you've already taken care of that bit of business.
 
2008-04-09 11:30:44 AM  
Meanwhile, a 25 year old black male would be doing 3-5 in the pen for such activity.

/Whatever Bernie wants, Bernie Goetz!
 
2008-04-09 11:30:50 AM  
People's manners on trains are appalling, and I hate people who play music on their mobile phones without putting headphones on, or, even worse, music played so loud that you can hear it through headphones. Talking on mobiles bothers me less as people talk all the time on trains to each other; however, there is no need to inform every farking living friend and relative that you are on a frkking train.
That said, this guy came across as a right twat.
 
2008-04-09 11:31:06 AM  
brap: This sort of self-important blow-hard can be found on most any mode of public transportation. I do appreciate the man's desire to read and have people use their "elevator" voices. However he appears to be one of those self righteous manner's bludgeoners.

My favorite are the people who get bumped into on sardine-packed crowded trains that are shaking around like a carnival ride and aggressively yell "EXCUSE ME! GEEZE! SAY EXCUSE ME WHEN YOU BUMP INTO ME! GOD! F*CKING PEOPLE! GEEZE! DID YOU SEE THAT GUY? GEEEZE! HOW RUDE!"

Like screaming your head off at some doddering schlup with poor balance makes you Miss Manners. I tell you it made my bout with vertigo a real joy.


Just reading your post caused a headache.

He is a 60 yr old "Decorum Officer" so I assume he has special powers to act as a butthead, and when confronted with an actual police officer, will get the benefit of the doubt, and *you'll* be arrested.

I do agree with you that both he and his role suck, even if cell users in public cause most of us angst. However, people that don't say "excuse me" when bumping me in public are really worse.
 
2008-04-09 11:31:13 AM  
Are we ready with the 500 doughy nerds just itching to lie about kicking the ass of anyone who dared to tell them what to do while on public transit?

Good.

Let's do this thing!
 
2008-04-09 11:31:19 AM  
So do they have to be teenagers or is it ok to lightly assault grandma too?
 
2008-04-09 11:31:21 AM  
I probably couldn't win a fistfight with a cop, even a retired one, but I'd really give it a go on anyone pulling this crap on a train I was on.

Yeah, people are assholes. But snapping you fingers at them while they're learning about a family member's medical emergency is asking for it.
 
2008-04-09 11:31:50 AM  
I never understood why people got so mad about cell phone conversations in public places. It's the same as if they were having a conversation with another person right in front of you except that you can't hear the other person. Why is one considered rude and the other not?

When people are having a face-to-face conversation they rarely have to shout "can you hear me? I said 'YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT SHARON SAID TO EDITH' can you imagine the nerve? I said CAN YOU IMAGINE THE NERVE'! No, the doctors said my uterus is fine. 'I SAID UTERUS! UTERUS! NOT 'UNIVERSE', 'UTUERUS!'"
 
2008-04-09 11:32:04 AM  
Lightly?
Blinded by the light
Bring it, hooligans.
 
2008-04-09 11:32:33 AM  
Can I "lightly" assault them with one of these things?

img383.imageshack.us
 
2008-04-09 11:32:55 AM  
cerberus9: I've thought long and hard about this issue, so I'm somewhat of an Internet Expert on the subject.

The problem (unfathomably rude people misusing cell phones on public transit) is caused by technology (cell phones). The solution, therefore, also lies with technology (cell phone jammers).

Q.E.D.


The problem (people expecting privacy and quiet on public transit) is caused by idiots. The solution lies in allowing abortions up to the 95th trimester for idiots.
 
2008-04-09 11:32:57 AM  
LIRR conductor David Carliovoch testified Clifford was "a pain in the -- -- ."

Weisgerber said Clifford's obsession for what he considered proper train behavior was like "a dog marking his territory."


Que the train etiquette nazis in 3...2...
 
2008-04-09 11:33:16 AM  
macross87: wheres that "idk my bff jill" slap pick when you need it... too busy at work
 
2008-04-09 11:33:22 AM  
stiletto_the_wise: I prefer using this method of humiliating mobile phone talkers. (not a RickRoll)

I bet that's the quartet or whatever of string players who surround and musically harass the asshat who's gabbin' on the phone at their outdoor performance, ain't it?

That was awesome, btw and that asshat should have been publicly humiliated.

Good on them.
 
2008-04-09 11:33:33 AM  
Batewoman: I never understood why people got so mad about cell phone conversations in public places. It's the same as if they were having a conversation with another person right in front of you except that you can't hear the other person. Why is one considered rude and the other not?


I think it's because people tend to talk much more loudly on their cells than to an actual person sitting next to them.

While this man definitely has issues, I can definitely see how other's total lack of courtesy might eventually drive someone over the edge. I ride my bike to work as much as possible in part to avoid the extreme rudeness of people on the subway (thank goodness cell phones aren't one of the annoyances there - at least not yet!).
 
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