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(Some Guy)   U.S. decides that elephants may once again be used to make pianos and cowboy boots   (ens-news.com) divider line 130
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2002-11-12 09:00:44 AM
Potent44: People who want to sell ivory will go out and kill all the sources of ivory, thereby destroying their means of sustenance.

Do you really think poachers are into long term sustainable development? Or tonights dinner?
 
2002-11-12 09:00:51 AM
11-12-02 08:58:25 AM Potent44
Let me get this right. People who want to sell ivory will go out and kill all the sources of ivory, thereby destroying their means of sustenance. All of a sudden, no more elephants. Yeah, that makes sense.


Whoever said human behaviour is logical?
 
2002-11-12 09:01:44 AM
"See my loafers former gophers, it was that or skin some poachers."
 
2002-11-12 09:02:11 AM
Although it might seem that selling ivory from "already dead" elephants is OK, think of this: How are you going to tell it apart from the illegally gotten ivory, which is much more abundant? Now, a poacher or anybody down the distrubution chain can say "No, this is the legal stuff. The elephant was already dead so it's OK."

That's what's going to increase the demand.
 
2002-11-12 09:05:03 AM
Sudie,

There are less than 20,000 elephants left on this earth.
Where did you get that made up number? Please at least try to come up with something believable.

One statistic
Another
Another

Moron.
 
2002-11-12 09:06:11 AM
If they just killed all the elephants they wouldn't have a poaching problem.
 
2002-11-12 09:06:25 AM
-i have submitted tons of links from rense.com...and that's probably where this link came from.

don't blame me...i voted for gore.
 
2002-11-12 09:06:28 AM
Just curious -- is there anything that we actually NEED ivory for? Piano keys are definitely not on that list. Jewelry baubles and trinkets might look nice with ivory, leans a little more toward necessary, but not by much (just need to convince stupid and/or rich people that it actually doesn't look nice to wear ivory). So what other uses are there?
 
2002-11-12 09:07:37 AM
The way to keep anything from becoming extinct is to make it readily available.

Do you think there is a chance of chickens, turkeys, or cows becoming extinct? Didn't think so.

Eat on!
 
2002-11-12 09:08:24 AM
Frankly, if ANY of you people are basing your opinion, either way, off of just one article you're ALL idiots.

Why is the US supporting this?
This is more or less what happened, as near as I can tell.

Africa: Look, we need money. We REALLY need monety. A) You can give it to us, B) you can help us sell Ivory, or C) we can get it through even more unsavory means.
USA: We're not giving you any more money. What unsavory things are you talking about?
Africa: Human trade, drugs, or selling influence to whoever you hate at the moment. We might even ease restriction on poaching OTHER endangered animals.
USA: What was B again?
Africa: See, we just happen to have these warehouses...
 
2002-11-12 09:10:02 AM
I need monety too.
 
2002-11-12 09:10:05 AM
I'm for Sustainable Development myself. Elephant pharming could be the next big thing, even bigger than emus, llamas, and alpacas. Instead of herds of buffalo, imagine packs of pachyderms roaming the plains. Heck, with a little luck, and genetic engineering, we might even be able to resurrect those wooly mammoths from their icy graves and repopulate ANWR. Man, this is grand, I can hear the soundtrack from Dances with Wolves as I write this. We just gotta do it.
 
2002-11-12 09:10:46 AM
Donkster: "Commercial uses of ivory include the manufacture of piano and organ keys, billiard balls, handles, and minor objects of decorative value. In modern industry, ivory is used in the manufacture of electrical appliances, including specialized electrical equipment for airplanes and radar."

Hmmm...
 
2002-11-12 09:11:09 AM
...with credit to LordAgent...

 
2002-11-12 09:13:14 AM
They cull elephants in some places because the numbers are too large.

On another note: Where is Slayerswine? Banned again?
 
2002-11-12 09:13:44 AM
Elephants and whales didn't get so big and fat by using the Earth's resources wisely. Greedy bastards, the lot of 'em.
 
2002-11-12 09:13:58 AM
Brisvegas_boy: Last time I talked with him, I think he said he got a job.
 
2002-11-12 09:18:30 AM
Young_Fart, I think you're on to something. Why don't we have Monsanto develop a GM tomato plant that grows tusks ?
 
2002-11-12 09:20:04 AM
Shouldn't this have an "Obvious" tag?
 
2002-11-12 09:21:03 AM
I wonder what Hannibal would think?
 
2002-11-12 09:21:25 AM
yah I never considered, the prospect of trading tusks as valid, but instead was from a pocher. Thats horrible... I'm too naive..
people are too corrupt...
 
2002-11-12 09:22:03 AM
How about cross breeding elephant and man. Then we can have people with huge teeth that we can slaughter instead of elephants. That way there's more elephants to parade around at circi for our amusement.
 
2002-11-12 09:22:31 AM
Do elephant guns count as a natural death for elephants? 'Cuz if so, I think I found myself a great source of secondary income, and another great reason to visit my local zoo.
 
2002-11-12 09:22:39 AM

As a pianist, I can vouch that ivory keys are wonderful to play on. They provide a pleasant texture, with just the right amount of friction on the fingers. They also have a soft, easy touch that's unreplicatable with plastic.



I wouldn't say ivory piano keys were a need, but it goes a little beyond purely decorative purposes.

 
2002-11-12 09:26:03 AM
In a related story, CNN is reporting that a cooperative raid consisting of agents from the FBI, ATF, and local police has occurred on the outskirts of Strongbadia. Several poachers, with histories of dealing in elephant feet, were arrested in their deserted warehouse base. Confiscated at the base were hacksaws, building plans, high-caliber shotguns, and a photo of the intended victim:

 
2002-11-12 09:28:21 AM
Reactron, preliminary results have been promising. Most store-bought tomatoes have a Mohs Hardness Scale of just below ivory. But I'd be a little concerned about using tomatoes for this purpose. Tomatoes have been known to attack and kill people.
 
2002-11-12 09:28:28 AM
Thanks Phxtony. I recall that now. I thought he might logon outside office hours but i guess he is too busy spending his money.
 
2002-11-12 09:29:15 AM
ok, heres my plan:
1) go to zoo, feed elephants lard.
2) elephants die of heart attacks.
3) profit!

Who's with me?
 
2002-11-12 09:32:04 AM
Sure, it died of natural causes. I just eh.. *cough* ..helped it along a little.
 
2002-11-12 09:32:44 AM
ClothedSexualTouching ... just feed them this, it will work faster than lard.

 
2002-11-12 09:33:10 AM
Young_Fart, I don't think they've explored mixing in the genes of manatees to make them a bit more docile. Of course, now that I've mentioned it on Fark, I will demand a share of the profits.
 
2002-11-12 09:33:25 AM
Africa: Look, we need money. We REALLY need monety.

Strange, I didn't know Kenya wasn't a part of Africa...

Y'know, there's a reason the ban was implemented in the first place.

Under Appendix II, which permits trade under strict regulations, even with an ivory quota system, African elephants were predicted to decline to extinction within 10 years. Between 1979 and 1989, the African elephant population declined by 53 percent, Kioko points out.

By 1989, it was estimated that 90 percent of ivory in trade came from poached elephants.


Sroth said it well:

When all the elephants in the wild are gone, due to poaching & diminishing herds, all that will be left are the sad, sad creatures in circus cages and zoos.

If you think a ban on the trade is an unreasonable restriction on free trade, imagine what extinction would do. That's one heck of a permanent restriction you can't really get around.
 
2002-11-12 09:39:39 AM
If Kenya isn't part of Africa, then what is it a part of?

*ignorant yank*
 
2002-11-12 09:40:57 AM
Sorry Americans. Should have read *stupid Canadian*

[/embarrassment]
 
2002-11-12 09:41:51 AM
Phxtony - Great, now I'm starving.
 
2002-11-12 09:42:20 AM
I can't fathom the folks who think a ban on the ivory trade helps keep eliphants alive. All it does is make the tusks more valuable to poachers.

Endangered animals must have an economic value of some sort in order to survive. They don't make good house pets, so tusk harvesting is the next best thing. As the situation stands right now, elephants aren't much good for anything other than as zoo animals.

Legalizing the ivory trade would increase the elephant population. I'm quite sure the animal huggers dislike this fact -- it reduces their relevance to the cause of conservation.
 
2002-11-12 09:43:08 AM
not a "strange" banner. Give it an "arrogant" banner
 
kab
2002-11-12 09:43:44 AM
"As a pianist, I can vouch that ivory keys are wonderful to play on. They provide a pleasant texture, with just the right amount of friction on the fingers. They also have a soft, easy touch that's unreplicatable with plastic.
I wouldn't say ivory piano keys were a need, but it goes a little beyond purely decorative purposes."

Hey, its good to know that animals die for your pleasant texture. Get a farking clue.
 
2002-11-12 09:43:51 AM
Man, someone didn't read the article.

"Kenya and India are opposed to the resumption of the elephant ivory trade."

Africa: Look, we need money. We REALLY need monety.

Strange, I didn't know Kenya wasn't a part of Africa...


Now do you get it?
 
2002-11-12 09:47:45 AM
Endangered animals must have an economic value of some sort in order to survive.

*bzzzzzt*

The economic value of their tusks is what put them in danger in the first place. The demand was great enough that the supply was rapidly depleting, and would have dwindled to nothing within a century.

Or maybe you missed the part about elephant populations regenerating somewhat since the ban?

You may think the elephants must have an economic value in order to survive. The elephants would likely disagree with you and prefer to be left alone until they die naturally.
 
kab
2002-11-12 09:52:56 AM
"Legalizing the ivory trade would increase the elephant population"

Umm ok... cause yeah, poaching will just go away then... umm yeah, or something.
 
2002-11-12 09:53:17 AM
I kow this is a little late (and bleeding obvious) but Xane, you are a complete and total idiot.

The reason Zambia would not accept GM corn was that Zambia's economy relies on the export of things like corn to places like Europe. Now, in places like Europe, consumers like to be educated in what exactly it is that they are consuming. Because of this GM foods are labled and very unpopular. Because of this, Europe doesn't import GM corn. Because of this the leadership of Zambia said to themselves, "Selves, if we take in this frankencorn and god forbid it were to grow and cross-pollenate with our existing crop, well, by god, we would be farked. And not just this short term, famine-like farked that we are experiencing now, but the farked like losing a major source of our GNP for good. That would be incredibly stupid, even more stupid that writing our views on subjects of which we have no understanding on an internet forum."

Understand now?
 
2002-11-12 09:54:50 AM
Elephant skin cowboy boots have been out for a while. They get the skin from elephants that were culled by game wardens when the preservations can no longer support the number of elephants on the land. I came close to getting a pair, but the girl that was there when I was buying them gave me that "No you're not" look, so I just got cowhide.
 
2002-11-12 09:56:03 AM
Welcome to the Bush Administration's America. Come on guys, seriously whats next? DDT isn't that bad for you after all? Logging in our National Forrests...oh wait, they're doing that to. It's amazing how much hard work that has been accomplished in the last 50 years is being undone in such a chort amount of time now. Scary.
 
2002-11-12 09:56:21 AM
11-12-02 09:42:20 AM Galland
Endangered animals must have an economic value of some sort in order to survive. They don't make good house pets, so tusk harvesting is the next best thing. As the situation stands right now, elephants aren't much good for anything other than as zoo animals.



Yeah? Who the fark are you to determine animal worth? Legalize ivory from the bones of poachers. Then you'll see a healthy market.
 
2002-11-12 09:58:46 AM
Longhorn, you got the cowhide, but did you get the girl ?
 
2002-11-12 09:59:06 AM
Ok, i stand corrected. I was wrrrrrr.
 
2002-11-12 10:09:54 AM
Nah, but I got her younger sister ;-)
 
2002-11-12 10:13:54 AM
When did elephants become more important than cows and chickens?
 
2002-11-12 10:16:44 AM
I bought a pair of elephant skin boots back in the eighties. I was young, didn't realise the plight of the elephant, and I prefer gray to brown.

They felt and looked great, but I was never really a boot person, so I rarely used them.

It's sad really, but humans will continue to push species after species to extinction for their own greedy purposes. Elephants will become extinct. It's just a matter of time.
 
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