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(Some Guy)   Man's dog runs onto old man's farm, chases cattle. Old man shoots at dog, neighbor steps in. Old man has heart attack, neighbor performs CPR. Old man dies, dog dies, neighbor gets shot in the thumb, tada   (pennlive.com) divider line 113
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2008-04-07 12:21:34 AM
I'm glad the mean spirited old fark is dead.
 
TBC
2008-04-07 01:19:29 AM
The Aristocrats!

/obligatory
//got nothin'
 
2008-04-07 01:23:09 AM
The Aristocrats!!
 
2008-04-07 01:24:20 AM
The Aristocrats!!


/just going with the flow here
 
2008-04-07 01:25:51 AM
ComicBookGuy: I'm glad the mean spirited old fark is dead.

That's just evil
 
2008-04-07 01:30:03 AM
drjekel_mrhyde: ComicBookGuy: I'm glad the mean spirited old fark is dead.

That's just evil



The guy was clearly a dick. The dog was just chasing the cattle. It's not like it was a mountain lion.
 
2008-04-07 01:30:11 AM
The Aristocrats!!

img86.imageshack.us
 
2008-04-07 01:30:32 AM
Not one to be left out...

The Aristocrats!
 
2008-04-07 01:30:40 AM
Man I never knew I could submit a Thesis as a headline
 
2008-04-07 01:30:59 AM
Has anyone mentioned The Aristocrats?
 
2008-04-07 01:33:19 AM
Isn't this a Garth Brooks song?
 
2008-04-07 01:33:25 AM
Someone is going to sue someone else. And then this will be complete.
 
2008-04-07 01:36:22 AM
ComicBookGuy: I'm glad the mean spirited old fark is dead.

i4.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-07 01:37:45 AM
This sounds a lot like how my family's dog died years ago. He was a black lab named Toby (named after a pejorative for black people because back in those days being racist was still cool) and the crazy old man next door shot him because his female dog was in heat and Toby was hanging out around the edge of our property. The only difference is that the neighbour didn't die. Unfortunately.
 
2008-04-07 01:38:04 AM
ComicBookGuy [TotalFark] Quote 2008-04-07 12:21:34 AM
I'm glad the mean spirited old fark is dead.


guess he should have thought before taking it upon himself to take the life of the dog...

/feels bad for the dog
//hopes a legend arises that deters others in the area
///That dog can still be heard chasing cattle to this day. Should any try to harm he or his brethren... you shall see a shadowy figure rise and leap...overtaking the transgressor -- all claws and teeth dripping death*...

*last sentence courtesy of HPL
 
2008-04-07 01:41:12 AM
caelian: ComicBookGuy [TotalFark] Quote 2008-04-07 12:21:34 AM
I'm glad the mean spirited old fark is dead.

guess he should have thought before taking it upon himself to take the life of the dog...

/feels bad for the dog
//hopes a legend arises that deters others in the area
///That dog can still be heard chasing cattle to this day. Should any try to harm he or his brethren... you shall see a shadowy figure rise and leap...overtaking the transgressor -- all claws and teeth dripping death*...

*last sentence courtesy of HPL a description of HRC


FTFY
 
2008-04-07 01:42:56 AM
The old fart forgot the last S for the 3S rules. (Shoot, Shovel, Shut up)

Don't do this in front of anyone.

But really, dogs can be very vicious animals and are often responsible for maiming or killing farm animals for the fun of it (they eat at home anyway). I beleive in most places you can kill animals that hurts or threaten farm animals (or there are state compensation funds for damage caused by protected species).
 
2008-04-07 01:44:35 AM
Law says, that any animal chasing or harassing your livestock can be killed. Farmers wife(if he had one) should make a good court payout for the death of the Farmer man.

/Have Run over a few dogs that the owners couldn't be bothered to keep in a fenced yard.
//Didn't stop either.
///On the highway and secondary highways.
////And almost in some neighborhoods.
//And Why do you think it's leag for your kids to play in traffic anyways?
//Not a troll, but will be called one, because of emotional outbursts...
 
2008-04-07 01:46:25 AM
It's like Reservoir Dogs on a farm.
 
2008-04-07 01:47:59 AM
Get Lost:
/Have Run over a few dogs that the owners couldn't be bothered to keep in a fenced yard.
//Didn't stop either.
///On the highway and secondary highways.
////And almost in some neighborhoods.
//And Why do you think it's leag for your kids to play in traffic anyways?
//Not a troll, but will be called one, because of emotional outbursts...


Actually, I'm going to call you a troll because you posted the preceding statement not to make any sort of point but instead to specifically draw emotional outbursts. That's trolling. Troll.
 
2008-04-07 01:50:01 AM
Get Lost: Law says, that any animal chasing or harassing your livestock can be killed. Farmers wife(if he had one) should make a good court payout for the death of the Farmer man.

/Have Run over a few dogs that the owners couldn't be bothered to keep in a fenced yard.
//Didn't stop either.
///On the highway and secondary highways.
////And almost in some neighborhoods.
//And Why do you think it's leag for your kids to play in traffic anyways?
//Not a troll, but will be called one, because of emotional outbursts...


But the law does not say you can shoot through the thumb of the owner of the dog to shoot said dog. Like if I were going to run down a dog on the street because I am a Idiot/sadist/moron I would not be able to run over the owner too.
 
2008-04-07 01:53:03 AM
Drakkenmaw: Actually, I'm going to call you a troll because you posted the preceding statement not to make any sort of point but instead to specifically draw emotional outbursts. That's trolling. Troll.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. His point is that the farmer had every right to shoot that dog. It sucks for the dog, because he didn't know any better, but the owner sure did. And a dog chasing cattle? Well, it may not be big enough to actually hurt the cattle, but they aren't the smartest of animals and very well could have hurt themselves running from the dog.

You may think of your pets as children, and I've loved the pets I've had in the past, but livestock gets a greater priority.
 
2008-04-07 01:53:32 AM
Nothing a Pet Semetary won't fix.

/the "S" is intentional
 
2008-04-07 01:56:12 AM
McJudo:
But the law does not say you can shoot through the thumb of the owner of the dog to shoot said dog. Like if I were going to run down a dog on the street because I am a Idiot/sadist/moron I would not be able to run over the owner too.



That's true. The old guy should have made damn sure there wasn't a chance of hitting the owner before shooting the dog. He didn't, and for that he also deserved some charges. It's a little late for that now, of course. I would like to give Get Lost the benefit of the doubt and assume that the dogs he ran over were on accident, not on purpose as some people seem to be taking it.
 
2008-04-07 01:56:48 AM
<b><big><center><font color="#e00000">FAIL</font></center></big></b>
 
2008-04-07 02:00:36 AM
xChutchx Quote 2008-04-07 01:41:12 AM
all claws and teeth dripping death*...

*last sentence courtesy of HPL a description of HRC

FTFY


I dunno if I got the right HRC but it flashed a visual of a condom that strained ~ almost lunging ~ forward... gnashing evil-sharp teeth... luckily, I was able to shut it (the visual) down before I could see what it was attached to...

/works in tech support
//old enough that the word trojan still refers to a condom
 
2008-04-07 02:05:46 AM
Joe Q Sixpack:

that

haha, awesome
 
2008-04-07 02:14:28 AM
Joe Q Sixpack: <b><big><center><font color="#e00000">FAIL</font></center></big></b>

Awesome. Simply awesome.
 
2008-04-07 02:18:23 AM
Dinjiin (comic)

Is there a PBF comic that fits every Fark article? I'm pretty sure there is.
 
2008-04-07 02:18:23 AM
wait who are these aristocrats that you people speak of?
 
2008-04-07 02:18:27 AM
Dinjiin: ComicBookGuy: I'm glad the mean spirited old fark is dead.

What the fark is that hottie doing with that dirt-poor old-as-fark farmer? Apart from being his baby factory, apparently.
 
2008-04-07 02:27:35 AM
I'm a cat person, not a dog person, but if someone shot and killed my pet, I wouldn't be doing CPR on the bastard.

That's what I'd tell the police I was doing, though.
 
2008-04-07 02:30:03 AM
picturescrazy: I'm not sure what you're talking about. His point is that the farmer had every right to shoot that dog.

I was actually talking about the content of his slashies. You don't post "yeah, I hit some dogs - didn't even stop either" without knowing exactly what you're doing. And that's trying to piss people off. Which is trolling for a response.

/Don't even own any pets.
//Over their lifespan, a medium-sized pet costs as much as a midsize car. I need the car or the car-equivalent savings more right now, so no pets for me.
 
2008-04-07 02:43:37 AM
but what happened to the 'man'?


picturescrazy: You may think of your pets as children, and I've loved the pets I've had in the past, but livestock gets a greater priority.

ask any cattleman who uses working dogs who gets priority. livestock is food, dogs are tools (but they make dang better pets than cows.)

people who kill native animals are selfish and greedy and ignant.

behold, a true mans' best friend...

img337.imageshack.us
 
2008-04-07 02:46:37 AM
Drakkenmaw: I was actually talking about the content of his slashies. You don't post "yeah, I hit some dogs - didn't even stop either" without knowing exactly what you're doing. And that's trying to piss people off. Which is trolling for a response.

/Don't even own any pets.
//Over their lifespan, a medium-sized pet costs as much as a midsize car. I need the car or the car-equivalent savings more right now, so no pets for me.


That I could definitely see. I just assumed he meant ran over on accident, and that it was the owners' faults. I think we've all accidentally ran over some animals in our day. If he's claiming he did it on purpose just to teach a lesson or something, or to be a dick, then yeah, trolling.
 
2008-04-07 02:52:29 AM
Did anyone else get the ad in the middle for Lawndoctor with the giant green thumb?

Kinda sucks for the guy whose thumb got shot off... when he goes to read this article.

/irony?
//coincidence
 
2008-04-07 02:56:17 AM
Man's dog runs onto old man's farm, chases cattle. Old man shoots at dog, neighbor steps in. Old man has heart attack, neighbor performs CPR. Old man dies, dog dies, neighbor gets shot in the thumb,

E-I-E-I-O!
 
2008-04-07 03:01:17 AM
If you can't keep control of your pets move back to the burbs city boy.

Oh here is the kicker.
The farmer:
Perfectly legal unless he intentionally shot the neighbors thumb.

Neighbor:
Property Damage, Trespassing, Assault and Involentary Manslaughter.
 
2008-04-07 03:07:23 AM
Good placement of the Lawn Doctor ad showing a green swollen thumb right in the middle of the article.

I feel for the dog...and the man's hitchhiking prospects.
 
2008-04-07 03:14:33 AM
Follow up.
The usual response on Fark when this happens is that the farmer should sue the neighbor for damages if his cattle are hurt. The problem is the farmer has to prove the dog did it. The dog isn't going to chase cattle once and then let it go. He is going to do it again and again. The farmer catches the dog once and the neighbor says it will never happen again. The next day the farmer finds a dead calf that he has invested 1000s in and the neighbor swears little Puddles was in the house all night.

If the farmer has milk cattle, having Puddles chase them around causes milk production to fall off. Or Puddles chases chickens and half the flock dies from stress the next day. How does the farmer prove it was Puddles fault?

To the the neighbor it's no big deal because little Puddles is just being a dog and Puddles has a life force etc etc. To the farmer who invests 10s if not 100s of thousands a year for a very small profit margin the issue is life or death. That is why people figured out hundreds of years ago the best solution is for the farmer to shoot Puddles and move on. Next time the neighbor will keep Puddles II on his own property.
 
2008-04-07 03:20:30 AM
bestie1 has the right of it.

In my state, not only can I shoot your dog for harrassing livestock, I can get a court order to either make you put your dog down or go to jail.

Can't control your dogs? I will. I have put more than a few in the bone pit.

Attack me while I am in progress of shooting your dog that is harrassing my livestock? Bad idea all the way around. I won't shoot your thumb if thats a hint. The cool thing is I will be in the legal right on all actions.

I do like dogs, but my livestock is worth more to me than your dog is. A pet owner's inability to control his animals is not my problem, if it is made my problem I will fix the problem in a manner the pet owner will not like.
 
2008-04-07 03:20:59 AM
xChutchx: caelian: ComicBookGuy [TotalFark] Quote 2008-04-07 12:21:34 AM
Should any try to harm he or his brethren... you shall see a shadowy figure rise and leap...overtaking the transgressor -- all claws and teeth dripping death*...

*last sentence courtesy of HPL a description of HRC

FTFY


i lold & lold
 
2008-04-07 03:31:05 AM
XMark: Is there a PBF comic that fits every Fark article? I'm pretty sure there is.

Almost. The gaps in PBF are usually filled by Medium Large.


/we also accept Clay Bennett as an alternate to PBF and ML for more political toned threads.
 
2008-04-07 03:42:07 AM
bestie1: The farmer: Perfectly legal unless he intentionally shot the neighbors thumb.

Actually, it would count as negligent discharge of a firearm, reckless endangerment, and multiple other compounded charges. You don't shoot in someone's direction unless you're trying to kill them, and you don't try to kill someone unless you have a very good legal basis to do so. There are all sorts of "don't go popping rounds off for dumb reasons" laws on various county/munincipality books that could be applied here, not to mention accidental/negligent injury statutes. Considering that at the point of firing the weapon the dog may have ceased to be a livestock nuisance upon to the neighbor's arrival to control it (you can't tell from the article, frankly, due to the lack of detail), it is entirely possible a charge of animal cruelty could have been issued with enough force behind it to at least require a trial to contest.

It all depends on your local law enforcement and prosecutors. If they really want to throw the book at you, something can be found to stick to you. It goes both ways in almost every interaction where the law could be involved for any reason, here included. That's why your best bet is to use the gun as a last resort, not a first resort. Animal control is your friend in these situations, as you establish a record of the dog being a problem animal and possibly get the owner fined. Then, if it DOES become necessary at a later point to shoot it for some reason, you have the paperwork backing your side of the story.

People who don't use the law tend to have the law used against them.
 
2008-04-07 03:50:19 AM
bestie1: That is why people figured out hundreds of years ago the best solution is for the farmer to shoot Puddles and move on. Next time the neighbor will keep Puddles II on his own property.

Or the neighbor has a similar personality to yours, and takes it as a personal affront that you shot their poor dog Puddles who's never hurt a person in its life. Then you have a feud, and feuds generally end with someone dead.

De-escalate, then get the law involved. It's true on the road, it's true on private property, it's true in most situations. Settling things with a bullet is a bad first resort, because your neighbor may have more powerful friends than you do and it's bad to find that out once you've already stepped into the realm of bullets.
 
2008-04-07 03:52:13 AM
It can also be very easily argued that the pet owner ran into the line of fire while the farmer was lawfully protecting his livestock by shooting the dog.

Sorry, but someone shooting another would likely not be charged around here in that situation.

Not the city. Different rules and values.
 
2008-04-07 04:02:18 AM
brerrabbit: It can also be very easily argued that the pet owner ran into the line of fire while the farmer was lawfully protecting his livestock by shooting the dog.

You're a farmer running a tight margin operation. The guy with the dog is some schmoe from the city who moved out into the boonies to "enjoy the wide-open spaces." That would seem to be the only sort who'd let an animal free-roam out in the country anyways - from spending time out in the hills with my mother's side of the family, you don't keep animals unless they're of value and then you're not going to let them run off and get themselves killed somehow when you can prevent it. So you're dealing with rich carpetbaggers. They can hire a lawyer without too much of a problem, because people who can afford those ridiculous commutes from converted farm subdivisions are typically rather wealthy. You need every dime to finance your next year's operation.

Different rules and values indeed, but people can still bring the rules from one to play in the other. Or, y'know, they can tell their methhead cousin and he'll burn your barn to settle the score. That happens a lot out in the place my mother grew up as well, feud escalations turning to violence. My suggestion still stands - exercise deescalation and CYA by following the process.

Keep in mind, the old man wouldn't be dead if either one of the human participants in this farce had decided to deescalate.
 
2008-04-07 04:28:18 AM
I agree that this would not have happened if one of the human participants had decided to deescalate. The problem is the farmer has little choice in the matter.

A calf when ready for market goes for around 600 to 800 dollars. Are you willing to throw away that much money for a dog that is worth nothing to you?

I have history in this area. Odds are the "carpetbagger" does not. Trust me, cattle are the bread and butter of the local economy, and the judges know that. He is more than welcome to sue me for shooting his dog, he will lose.

Me shooting him works either one of two ways, either he jumped in the way to protect his pet, or he attacked me on my own land while I was protecting my livestock from his pet. Either way it is a lawful shoot.

I can afford the stray lawsuit. What I cannot afford is losing a calf every time some idiot decides to let his dogs run loose.
 
2008-04-07 05:58:08 AM
Get Lost: Law says, that any animal chasing or harassing your livestock can be killed. Farmers wife(if he had one) should make a good court payout for the death of the Farmer man.

And what law, exactly, does it fall under when a guy shoots you and then has a heart attack? Magic?
 
2008-04-07 06:58:34 AM
Drakkenmaw: Keep in mind, the old man wouldn't be dead if either one of the human participants in this farce had decided to deescalate.

I'm guessing that IRL "de-escalating" in the heat of the moment is a bit tougher that your flippancy might suggest.

I'm leaning towards thinking that it wasn't the first time that the dog had chased the cattle and the dog's owner had probably been given fair warning.

The farmer was of a generation that might have never herd the term "de-escalate" and was probably set in his ways as to his notions of what action to take when another (predatory) animal attacked his crop.

The owner is lucky that all he lost was a thumb.
 
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