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2008-04-04 09:32:13 AM
maybe its the postulated higher levels of testosterone in black males as opposed to white, after all they have increased insidence of prostatic cancer

/orly? (new window)
 
2008-04-04 09:34:32 AM
bunner
prison culture

What's wrong with this phrase?


Nothing if you are using the word "culture" as it is being used in this current debate. In the case of this thread it means a common set of accepted behavior, dress, patterns of speech within a group of people. That definition doesn't assume said culture is inherently bad or good.

/Just off the top of my head so Wikipedia on and correct/critique at will
 
2008-04-04 09:35:58 AM
home.att.netwww.jra100.com

bunner: prison culture ... What's wrong with this phrase?

I'm sorry, what? I couldn't hear you over mama's stories on the teevee.

Everybody has a lowest common denominator. What's yours? Or can't you divide by zero?

/!rrat10na1!!!leven!
 
2008-04-04 09:40:51 AM
You know, having a father around can really be helpful. Not some abusive, irresponsible type, but a dad. Look at the numbers. Therein lies much of the problem. I guess that makes me a racist. But I tend to believe that 2 + 2 = 4. I know, crazy.
 
2008-04-04 09:42:13 AM
As, yes, the "Latin Kings".

And the reason why this gang of scumbag monkeys has not been thrown in the deepest hole in the federal prison system under RICO is...

Bush needs hispanic voter support.

Unless you can think of a better reason?
Oh, wait... it would be racist.
 
2008-04-04 09:49:23 AM
Empty Signal Gray: You know, having a father around can really be helpful. Not some abusive, irresponsible type, but a dad. Look at the numbers. Therein lies much of the problem. I guess that makes me a racist. But I tend to believe that 2 + 2 = 4. I know, crazy.

As the successful son of a white single-mother, I'll let you know that you can go fark yourself. I learned to work to help keep the house going. I learned to be a good father because I wanted my kids to have one. Stable households produce decent kids, the organization of that household is secondary. The Columbine killers came from nuclear families that were vapid and unsupportive, although upper middle-class.

The people who died from gunfire in my high school came from "unbroken" and "successful" homes. And the first guy to go to prison did too. A friend of mine who raised his kid siblings while his mom worked is now a military officer.

And race has nothing to do with it.
 
2008-04-04 09:56:57 AM
Sofa King Awesome: I'll let you know that you can go fark yourself

Yes, you seem to have adjusted beautifully. I said that having a father around can be helpful, I didn't say it was imperative. But carry on with your rage party. you're it's only victim. And perhaps read posts a bit more thoroughly.
 
2008-04-04 09:57:47 AM
It's called move to a different neighborhood.
 
2008-04-04 10:11:53 AM
Empty Signal Gray: You know, having a father around can really be helpful.

Read: kids without a specific type of parent are not being helped, and this is a fallacy.

Not some abusive, irresponsible type, but a dad.
Point taken. I'd be interested in what your definition of "dad" is however.

Look at the numbers. Therein lies much of the problem.
I've done a lot of work in education, including with single-parents trying to get a leg up. The numbers, as you put it, do not support your argument as you are making it. Household stability is the significant issue. And that is supported by economics and social factors that value certain types of family structures above others.

I guess that makes me a racist. But I tend to believe that 2 + 2 = 4. I know, crazy.
I don't even know what this means. It seems that you have a belief that a certain color of skin equals a tendency to engage in irrational addition.

Empty Signal Gray: Yes, you seem to have adjusted beautifully. I said that having a father around can be helpful, I didn't say it was imperative. But carry on with your rage party. you're it's only victim. And perhaps read posts a bit more thoroughly.

Right... If I've misread anything, please feel free to elaborate.
 
2008-04-04 10:12:18 AM
I'm getting so tired of this shiat.
Every time there is a black gathering in my town.. There is violence. Everytime I point it out.. I am racist.

Every night on the news.. there is violence at a black school or black neighborhood.. Not at white schools and neighborhoods

But everybody is just positive that it does happen at white schools.. but it isn't reported. It's just whitey cracker honkey being racist. BULLshiat.

I'm tired of black violent racist scum making excuses and blaming whitey for everything.

You think I'm just racist? I challenge you to watch your local news on a nightly basis.. Keep notes if you have to. Who is responsible for the most crime? The most violence?

Is there white crime? You bet your ass. There is lots of it. But there are TONS of black crimes. Tons more than white.
Again.. before you call me a honky cracker racist.. watch your local news.
 
2008-04-04 10:14:33 AM
blazemongr: News flash: not all white Chicago-area residents are as racist as that.

Newsflash - Not all white Chicago area residents who currently live on the northside are from the northside originally, and do care.

/former south-suburbanite
//had friends put in the hospital by idiot gangbangers
///oh, and go Sox, glad to see you finally won a game
 
2008-04-04 10:15:30 AM
Not only should they put stricter laws on guns, but it seems they should also restrict sales of golf clubs in the city. After all, it was a 3-iron or 3-wood that was bashed into the skull of one of the Crane H.S. students. So yeah, let's ban golf clubs!

BAN GOLF CLUBS!!
 
2008-04-04 10:16:38 AM
log_jammin: that_boy_Al_Bundy: Unfortunately any criticism of a minority is shouted down and the speaker is dismissed as a racist

I'm from the rule midwest. Trust me, I know racism.

the problem is that you're assuming the "minority" is the problem. You didn't say poverty, gang violence, high divorce rates, etc. you just said "Urban Blacks and Hispanics".


Who says he was assuming? The groups involved in the violence were, as quoted in the article, "black and Latino students". This happened in an urban area. Therefore, his statement is correct as applied to the subject.

/sarcasm on
Perhaps we should call the writer of the article of hating blacks, since she capitalized Latino and left black lowercase?
/sarcasm off
 
2008-04-04 10:18:44 AM
master_dman: Is there white crime? You bet your ass... But there are TONS of black crimes. Tons more than white. Again.. before you call me a honky cracker racist.. watch your local news.

Ever watch Al Jazeera and Fox side by side? TV is not a friend to your mind. Omaha has good public libraries, I suggest you try them. Start with Library of Congress category HV (Criminology) and JV (Colonial History).
 
2008-04-04 10:23:28 AM
Remove all Republicans: that_boy_Al_Bundy: Urban hispanics and blacks, please get your shiat together. It's getting ridiculous.

Oh, it looks like the fark racists are out later tonight. Face, instead of just blaming these people, we should be spending more money on helping them breaking the cycle of violence. Perhaps if we started spending real money on education instead of ways to blow brown people up, we'd be better off.


The United States spends more money on education, in absolute terms and per capita, than any country in the world.

Which isn't to say we should spend as much money as we do blowing people up, of course. I just get tired of reading the claims that education gets shortchanged. They always get made in threads like this.
 
2008-04-04 10:24:15 AM
Oh_Enough_Already:You think these homeboys know where Winnetka is, or even Andersonville

Haha. I live in Andersonville and work in Winnetka, so I'm really getting a kick out of these posts.

Also, I student taught at a Chicago public high school with a huge Latin Kings population. A lot of those kids will never cause a problem for a teacher in class (truancy not withstanding), but those are some hard hard-ass kids.
 
2008-04-04 10:27:54 AM
ban hip-hop and gansta lifestyle.

Maybe that will help.

/like banning my firearms will help too.
//constitution? only for rich white people.
 
2008-04-04 10:28:57 AM
hachijuhachi: Also, I student taught at a Chicago public high school with a huge Latin Kings population.

If you were a female back in the 80's and walked into a bathroom full of Latin Queens while in school, you would instantly start hacking and probably die of asphyxiation due to the lethal combination of hairspray and cigarette smoke (yes, folks, this is personal experience speaking).

Nobody, I mean nobody, had bigger hair than the Latin Queens, not if they knew what was good for 'em ;)

/Damn Latin Kings, my landlord just had to paint over their stupid graffiti on our garage last week.
 
2008-04-04 10:29:11 AM
master_dman: I'm getting so tired of this shiat.
Every time there is a black gathering in my town.. There is violence. Everytime I point it out.. I am racist.

Every night on the news.. there is violence at a black school or black neighborhood.. Not at white schools and neighborhoods

But everybody is just positive that it does happen at white schools.. but it isn't reported. It's just whitey cracker honkey being racist. BULLshiat.

I'm tired of black violent racist scum making excuses and blaming whitey for everything.

You think I'm just racist? I challenge you to watch your local news on a nightly basis.. Keep notes if you have to. Who is responsible for the most crime? The most violence?

Is there white crime? You bet your ass. There is lots of it. But there are TONS of black crimes. Tons more than white.
Again.. before you call me a honky cracker racist.. watch your local news.


As long as they're only shooting each other, I don't give a fark.
 
2008-04-04 10:36:39 AM
I have no idea on how many posts have happened after i read the entire comments, but I would like to point out...
rac·ism
-noun
1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

bigot
-noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

biased
adjective
having or showing bias or prejudice: They gave us a biased report on immigration trends.

It is my firm belief that most of us are BIASED on the issue. Most of use, no matter what our skin color, notice social patterns and live off those experiences. I think biv raises alot of good points, but due to the evolving nature of language, racist has a new meaning. He could have more tact, and not hurt feelings, but then he wouldn't get a response from anyone.

I just came in here because I saw the word racist being thrown around alot, and thought we could use some perspective on the words we are using.

/resume lurk
//learned to stay out of these arguments on fark long ago
 
2008-04-04 10:36:48 AM
Nestea Plunge:
As long as they're only shooting each other, I don't give a fark.


But it also a huge amount of black on white crime.. with very little white on black crime.

So it should concern you.

Last week a fine upstanding young black man who was "just trying to turn his life around" raped an 85 yr old white woman.
 
2008-04-04 10:47:18 AM
AppleOptionEsc
I think biv raises alot of good points, but due to the evolving nature of language, racist has a new meaning. He could have more tact, and not hurt feelings, but then he wouldn't get a response from anyone.

I just came in here because I saw the word racist being thrown around alot, and thought we could use some perspective on the words we are using.

/resume lurk
//learned to stay out of these arguments on fark long ago

I agree the term "racist" gets thrown around too freely. I was willing to debate BIV and not assume he was a racist/bigot but he stopped posting for some reason or other...no biggie. Even if someone is a "raging" bigot it still doesn't chap my hide, it's not as if I live in fear of the klan comung to get me and I don't worry about a poster hurting my feelings.

I'm black and have a pretty good grasp of the word racist so I rarely use the word. Oddly enough I have recently noticed that black people aren't the only ones quick to whip out the "race card".
 
2008-04-04 10:48:46 AM
www.ketv.com

master_dman: Last week a fine upstanding young black man who was "just trying to turn his life around" raped an 85 yr old white woman.

You're from Omaha? A Google News search gave me this story about the above black guy saving a little girl from being raped by some dude who looked like the Unabomber. The city gave him an award.

Maybe you should change the channel.
 
2008-04-04 11:12:42 AM
Sofa King Awesome: master_dman: Last week a fine upstanding young black man who was "just trying to turn his life around" raped an 85 yr old white woman.

You're from Omaha? A Google News search gave me this story about the above black guy saving a little girl from being raped by some dude who looked like the Unabomber. The city gave him an award.

Maybe you should change the channel.


On the contrary.. I love stories about fine upstanding black men who do the right thing. The man you speak of IS a hero and a fine upstanding citizen. He is an OPPD worker, or maybe it was a MUD worker.. who has a job.. and he was out working.

This man is a perfect example of a real man.. white or black.

Unfortunately.. most hip hoppers.. gang bangers and baby daddies see this guy as an uncle tom.
 
2008-04-04 11:14:02 AM
nucular bum 2008-04-04 03:12:06 AM

This is farking sad. It's happening in my own city. The downtown rally that happened the other day focused on banning or further restricting guns in the city. The truth is that, although guns are the most popular tool for these goddamn cowardly gangbangers, it doesn't address the root cause of what's causing the acts of violence in the first place.

I've often hoped someone would chloroform and drag these gang members off to a bunker, where they are stripped naked, shaved of all their body hair, their faces tattooed permanently with "GANGBANGER SCUM" or something like that, then driven back to their neighborhood (or a rival 'hood) and handcuffed still naked to a lamppost. In below-zero weather.

/teen hormones + poverty + access to guns = bloodbath
//flame away, fellow farkers...


I vehemently disagree - I say take the China Approach. Gather anyone in a gang up, put a bullet in the back of their head, then bill the parents. Whoops, I said "parents" - there are no parents, just the...how do Model Citizens, a.k.a. People Who Annoy Me say it? Baby-daddy? Baby-mama? Anyway, bill them. Oh hell, I as a taxpayer am willing to take on that financial burden - versus the burden of keeping these useless turds of society alive.

I mean, data has already shown that Roe v. Wade was instrumental in curbing the rising crime rate - let's further reduce the seed-spreading within these demographics by a massive, pre-emptive "putting down" - akin to the growing communal pit-bull bans, I see no problem with banning human "breeds" that are highly over-represented in the crime statistics. Let's just call it "Post Fetal Abortion" - kind of a "Freedom of Choice" for the law-abiding.
 
2008-04-04 11:24:42 AM
log_jammin 2008-04-04 04:03:53 AM

that_boy_Al_Bundy: Well buddy, you just don't hear about groups of white or asian students getting rowdy like this do you?

so it IS about race. thanks for clarifying.


Actually, it's about acknowledging the data that hits you right between the eyes. Sorry to bust your libtard bubble but over-representation is over-representation - if I create an equation and "race" has a significant beta-weight (and yes, there may be collinearity with socio-economic status but then, aren't decisions like "I'm going to have a baby while I'm in H.S." going into that?) then, yes, race is diagnostic of whatever it is you're predicting (crime, etc.). And if that "race" variable is such that indicator values of - call it whatever you want - "African-American" point positively and "Asian" points negatively...well, it is what it is.

But in the end, I don't care what race you are - if you're part of the problem well...maybe you need to board the Train of Consequences. Sorry I'm not getting all teary-eyed and reaching into my wallet to throw money at the problem. Something called "history" taught me this doesn't work too well.
 
2008-04-04 11:44:15 AM
Violence isn't the answer. It's the question. and the answer is always yes.
 
2008-04-04 11:49:43 AM
DaCaptain19: Actually, it's about acknowledging the data that hits you right between the eyes [blather deleted] if I create an equation and "race" has a significant beta-weight (and yes, there may be collinearity with socio-economic status but then, aren't decisions like "I'm going to have a baby while I'm in H.S." going into that?) then, yes, race is diagnostic of whatever it is you're predicting (crime, etc.).

Dude, just because somebody taught you how to use SPSS doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. There are correlations and there are causations, and sometimes they meet. I can get you a great discriminant function that shows mashed potato consumption as a predictor of propensity towards mass murder, but what will you do with it?

On a side note... why is it that people with some book learning become so retributionally violent instead of proactive? Google "Engineers of Jihad" and you might find yourself.
 
2008-04-04 11:58:31 AM
Apparent Nuisance: khyberkitsune: Latin Kings are nothing more than wannabe QUEENS. Period.

Oooh, sounds like we have a Gangster Disciple in da house.

FIGHT!


Nope, I'm RID. (Regimented Inmate Discipline) What Marines do for 13 weeks I did for a full year. No gang affiliation, just pure hardcore.
 
2008-04-04 12:00:09 PM
Biv: Remove all Republicans: that_boy_Al_Bundy: Urban hispanics and blacks, please get your shiat together. It's getting ridiculous.

Oh, it looks like the fark racists are out later tonight. Face, instead of just blaming these people, we should be spending more money on helping them breaking the cycle of violence. Perhaps if we started spending real money on education instead of ways to blow brown people up, we'd be better off.

How the hell do you educate a culture that abhors education. And his comment wasn't racist. Race is the issue here and if you don't see that you are in denial. As long as ghetto culture continues to be tolerated this will continue to be a problem.


RACE is not the issue. Go back to English Class. ETHNIC BACKGROUND is the issue. THERE IS ONLY ONE RACE - HUMAN. To say otherwise makes you a fool AND a tool.
 
2008-04-04 12:05:08 PM
khyberkitsune: Apparent Nuisance: khyberkitsune: Latin Kings are nothing more than wannabe QUEENS. Period.

Oooh, sounds like we have a Gangster Disciple in da house.

FIGHT!

Nope, I'm RID. (Regimented Inmate Discipline) What Marines do for 13 weeks I did for a full year. No gang affiliation, just pure hardcore.


i113.photobucket.com
 
2008-04-04 12:12:34 PM
RACE is not the issue. Go back to English Class. ETHNIC BACKGROUND is the issue. THERE IS ONLY ONE RACE - HUMAN. To say otherwise makes you a fool AND a tool.

Err... I'm not sure where you're getting your logic from.

Human is recognized as a shortened name of our Genus and species; ie Homo sapiens.

In the context of this discussion, race is a subdivision of the species. If it's too complicated for you, consider dogs: we don't call all of them together a "race"... we call the species "Dog". We call the subdivisions in the species that tend to have a certain unifying collection of characteristics a race; ie small dog with curly hair and a propensity to humps legs = Poodle. A poodle may look quite different from a Rottweiler, but they are all able to successfully breed offspring and therefore are all part of the same species.

In the context of this discussion, race is a collection of traits commonly attributed to regional evolution.

For you to walk in here crying "HUMAN RACE HUMAN RACE" is akin to me walking into a conversation on running for political power and yelling "THEY DON'T RUN. THEY WALK!!! GET IT RIGHT!!!"

Go home, Troll.
 
2008-04-04 12:35:47 PM
Sofa King Awesome: I can get you a great discriminant function that shows mashed potato consumption as a predictor of propensity towards mass murder, but what will you do with it?

None of your damn business. Let's see this discriminant function of yours.
 
2008-04-04 12:43:44 PM
Remove all Republicans 2008-04-04 03:13:22 AM

if not a troll, you are undoubtedly the very epitome of ignorance, stupidity, and border on mental retardedness...good luck in the future
 
2008-04-04 01:41:31 PM
RAAAAAAACEEE FIGHT!!!!
 
2008-04-04 01:53:10 PM
Remove all Republicans: that_boy_Al_Bundy: Urban hispanics and blacks, please get your shiat together. It's getting ridiculous.

Oh, it looks like the fark racists are out later tonight. Face, instead of just blaming these people, we should be spending more money on helping them breaking the cycle of violence. Perhaps if we started spending real money on education instead of ways to blow brown people up, we'd be better off.


We've spent billions and years trying to do exactly that and it just doesn't work. The idea that ghetto culture is cool is what is destroying them. Go back to the bullwhip and they would get better results than even more wasted time and money. If black culture wants to destroy itself, let it.
 
2008-04-04 02:45:29 PM
Necrosis: that_boy_Al_Bundy:
Well buddy, you just don't hear about groups of white or asian students getting rowdy like this do you? It would be unfair to group them in with this, and I would hate to hurt anyones feelings.

Actually the one big fight I saw at school was a big group of Asian kids. So yeah, it happens. They all circled this kid and started punching him up against the school bus.


I believe they were all fighting each other in order to see who can do the guy's math homework first.

/I keed I keed
 
2008-04-04 03:15:14 PM
The solution to these gang fights is simple. Eliminate the gangs.
1. Lease Arctic Island from Canada and build big prison.
2. Make law that if you are convicted of being in a gang or convicted of gang violence you are sentenced to 10 years in the Frozen Arctic prison.
3. All of America benefits from reduced gang numbers making schools and cities much much safer.
 
2008-04-04 03:32:06 PM
farkreader007: 1. Lease Arctic Island from Canada and build big prison.

We can call it North Gitmo!
 
2008-04-04 07:29:57 PM
If being intolerant of a culture that fully embraces violence, misogyny and instant gratification is racist, consider me the Grand farkin' Poobah of neo-Nazism.
 
2008-04-04 10:55:29 PM
Dragonsbreath: One solution would be if they were proven to be a gang member and found guilty of a violent crime they get a mandatory 10 year hard labor jail time, no probation no parole, and no matter what the age is. Perhaps then they will get the idea gangs are not a good thing except in jail.

Nice to see 1st Amendment freedom of association eliminated. Don't mind me as I'd rather eliminate the 2nd and work on eliminating the source of the violence.
 
2008-04-04 10:57:59 PM
StormnMormon: Violence isn't the answer. It's the question. and the answer is always yes.

Violence is never the answer, except when the question is, what is never the answer.
 
2008-04-05 12:35:54 AM
Remove all Republicans: StormnMormon: Violence isn't the answer. It's the question. and the answer is always yes.

Violence is never the answer, except when the question is, what is never the answer.


You're right. Violence is never the answer.

Guy 1: Hey, the Germans are attacking us!
Guy 2: Violence is not the answer.
 
2008-04-05 03:18:40 AM
Remove all Republicans: that_boy_Al_Bundy: Urban hispanics and blacks, please get your shiat together. It's getting ridiculous.

Oh, it looks like the fark racists are out later tonight. Face, instead of just blaming these people, we should be spending more money on helping them breaking the cycle of violence. Perhaps if we started spending real money on education instead of ways to blow brown people up, we'd be better off.


Yeah, 12 BILLION dollars isn't enough. "Thpend more money on breaking the Thycle of violenth." Nnnkay, how much money? What's the number? 13 billion? 14? A trillion? That gonna make them stop being primitive morons? You're an idiot.
 
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