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2008-04-03 08:50:57 PM
Setsuna: toobsok:

I bet you had to review your own post five or six times for fear of making a mistake.


Haha, and you would be right. I've been on fark long enough to know the hell I would get for any grammar/spelling mistakes. It keeps you on your toes!
 
2008-04-03 08:51:50 PM
Lionel Mandrake: I kinda wondered myself...is the genesis of this overused cliche by any chance George W's "Snowflake Children?"

Well here's the way I read it, though I could be totally wrong.

I think the cliche behind "snowflake" is that parents are convinced that *their* children are special and unique and it follows that everything they do is some stroke of their hidden genius - When really they're just yet another snotty, demanding brat that needs its ass kicked.

You've seen 'em. They sit in the restaurants, movie theaters, etc screaming their asses off and the parents just pat them on the head, hug them, or offer them bribes.

"Snowflake" is the word used for children coddled in such a way, and grow up to be punks with an inflated sense of entitlement thinking the world owes them a living.
 
2008-04-03 08:52:55 PM
Weaver95: Why should and why do intelligent people often limit themselves to jobs in business or accounting or engineering?

Because everything in our society tells us that money = success. The more you have, the happier you are supposed to be with life.

It's true, money CAN buy happiness. Ever frowned while riding a wave runner? It's impossible.

Ever seen a homeless person skip?
 
2008-04-03 08:53:39 PM
did she write that on the her laptop or her blackberry?
 
2008-04-03 08:54:34 PM
They don't call it seventeenism for nothing.
 
2008-04-03 08:55:11 PM
So, they ran out of news in the Bay Area?
 
2008-04-03 08:57:42 PM
First thing I thought of was some old adage I read a long time ago. I can't even recall who said it.

Something about how being middle-class is the best place to be. The wealthy, with all their money, grow bored and fat, then end up dwelling in drama and treachery all their lives. The poor, meanwhile, are doomed to a lifelong grind full of suffering and want. But the middle class has enough work to keep busy, but enough gain from their work to be content.

There's never any shortage of people willing to point out how wrong that is, but still, it's a nice philosophy to have.
 
2008-04-03 08:58:42 PM
I've got ninety thousand pounds in my pyjamas.
I've got forty thousand French francs in my fridge.
I've got lots of lovely lire.
Now the Deutschmark's getting dearer,
And my dollar bills would buy the Brooklyn Bridge.


There is nothing quite as wonderful as money.
There is nothing quite as beautiful as cash.
Some people say it's folly,
But I'd rather have the lolly.
With money you can make a splash.


There is nothing quite as wonderful as money.
...Money, money, money, money.
There is nothing like a newly minted pound.
Everyone must hanker
For the butchness of a banker.
It's accountancy that makes the world go 'round. 'Round, 'round, 'round.

You can keep your Marxist ways,
For it's only just a phase,
For it's money, money, money makes the world go 'round.

...Money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, moneeeeey!
 
2008-04-03 08:58:44 PM
Oakland?? Did Bubb Rubb get a blog?

www.ocf.berkeley.edu
 
2008-04-03 09:00:03 PM
FarkLiter: This is exactly why no one should ever listen to 17 year olds. The harder they try to be deep, the more they end up saying things that will look incredibly silly to them in 10 years.

I thank god every day that when I was 17 there was no internet to record every stupid thought I had, so that I don't have to look back at them and hang my head in shame now.


;thumbsup:

/did it work?
 
2008-04-03 09:00:05 PM
hmm...example of some 'successful' people I know are an astronaut who got 900 on his SATs, a high school graduate who sold his last company for $20M and a Harvard MBA that gets one paycheck a year in ~$10M range. The most common traits there are probably ambition, defined goals and diligence. A structured education helps in life, as does being born a Kennedy or just knowing what you want to do and you do it.
/obvious rant
//$1M per month is retarded
 
2008-04-03 09:00:06 PM
everyone should be just like me. i have lots of debt. i have one of those high paying prestige type jobs. i work eight thousand hours a week. i hate my work. i have no life outside of work. i hate my life. i have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

who could ask for anything more?
 
2008-04-03 09:00:16 PM
" I want to attend a university and later have a career in fashion, and more specifically own my own boutique"

Eh, this sounds like one of those out there goals a lot of girls say they want to do when they grow up. Something that they think will be easy and alot of fun, but they really do not understand at all.

It's like one step up from wanting to own a unicorn farm.
 
2008-04-03 09:00:46 PM
retro128: Well here's the way I read it, though I could be totally wrong.

I think the cliche behind "snowflake" is that parents are convinced that *their* children are special and unique and it follows that everything they do is some stroke of their hidden genius - When really they're just yet another snotty, demanding brat that needs its ass kicked.

You've seen 'em. They sit in the restaurants, movie theaters, etc screaming their asses off and the parents just pat them on the head, hug them, or offer them bribes.

"Snowflake" is the word used for children coddled in such a way, and grow up to be punks with an inflated sense of entitlement thinking the world owes them a living.


Yeah, I get it...and it's actually pretty funny when not flogged like a dead horse.

I was just searching the innertubes, and Georgie wasn't the first to use it - his use of it was mearly the first time I encountered it.

The intro to wiki's "snowflake children" entry: Snowflake children is a term used by organizations that promote the adoption of embryos left over from in vitro fertilization to describe children that result, where the children's parents were not the original cell donors. These embryos are transferred to infertile couples via embryo adoption, although the legal process of taking ownership of an embryo differs from that of traditional adoption. According to a CBS News article dated July 28, 2005, the term "Snowflake" was coined by the first agency to provide the transfer service, Nightlight Christian Adoptions. Ninety-nine children have been born from this program.

W paraded a few families and their snowflake children in front of the press corp to show his brilliant alternative to using superfluous IV embryos for stem cell research.

Thanks W, that's a nice alternative for a few embryos...the bulk of them still end up in the medical waste bin instead of stem cell research.

A typically brilliant move for the Great Decider.
 
2008-04-03 09:01:06 PM
/snowflake... penis... opinion.
//that's what i saw.
 
2008-04-03 09:01:32 PM
Meh, as long as you're happy. Money can't buy happiness. (But it sure can rent happiness for a little while!)
 
2008-04-03 09:02:24 PM
Does anyone else think that Fark sounds like Fox news these days?
 
2008-04-03 09:02:31 PM
Manhigh: Exactly. Engineering kicks ass.

The problem with engineering isn't a problem with the field itself, it's how it's marketed to high schoolers. Any student who is competent in math and science in high school is told by their teachers and counsellors about how it's the most exciting, elite, well-paid job on the planet and how they'd be perfect at it. In reality, this is largely untrue and it also takes a certain kind mentality to be happy in engineering. Many personality-types will suffer. If you value human interaction or possess good writing/speaking skills, you're just wasting your potential by doing a job that somebody without those strengths and interests could do just as well as you could. The people I know who were happiest with their engineering jobs were the ones who were nice, smart people, but kind of awkward and knew that they couldn't have made a good teacher, doctor, lawyer, or businessperson anyway. The miserable engineers were the people who had a broad interest and skill set and limited it by specializing so far on the technical side. They're the ones who spent every moment of every day wondering, "What if?" I guess the moral of the story is that you need to find the job that's right for your particular personality and strengths and not listen to people who tell you what the "great jobs" are.
 
2008-04-03 09:02:46 PM
Circumstances in which "precious snowflake" is appropriate in a headline:

The kid has done something (usually involving sex, drugs, or criminal activity) that their parents wouldn't believe happened, because their "precious snowflake" "would never do that sort of thing."

That is all.
 
2008-04-03 09:03:12 PM
taniquelle: money makes life easier. I'm staring down the barrel of 225k in law school loans and no facking clue how to pay them off - those 200k a year jobs are all being hogged by the alcoholic divorcees who've been at this a while. Plus my particular field - native american law - is notorious for paying squat. Im resigned to a life of doing what I love, livin' off bannock and beans.

Look into Dorsey & Whitney - based out of Minneapolis, but offices all over the world. The Minneapolis office has a HUGE Native American practice, and 1st years make $125k. Hell - summer associates make $50 I think. It was one of the best places I ever worked - and I'm not even a lawyer.
 
2008-04-03 09:04:01 PM
Perducci: surrounded by miserable lazy "friends" who are probably high most of the time.

What's wrong with being high all the time? I'm high much of the time and am fairly successful (well, I'm still a student trying to grasp engineering, but I also already have a job and may have another, I'm supporting myself entirely on my own for school), quite happy, and usually motivated.

I do take too many beach trips (and many more daydream beach runs), though.
 
2008-04-03 09:05:15 PM
nekoneko: " I want to attend a university and later have a career in fashion, and more specifically own my own boutique"

Eh, this sounds like one of those out there goals a lot of girls say they want to do when they grow up. Something that they think will be easy and alot of fun, but they really do not understand at all.


When a girl says that she wants to major in Fashion, I hear "I want to learn how to look hot for when some guy makes me his trophy wife."
 
2008-04-03 09:06:07 PM
senorglory: everyone should be just like me. i have lots of debt. i have one of those high paying prestige type jobs. i work eight thousand hours a week. i hate my work. i have no life outside of work. i hate my life. i have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

who could ask for anything more?


You just described every law student/lawyer I know.
 
2008-04-03 09:06:09 PM
Daroc

I bet she appears on Girls Gone Wild before she pledges.

With a name like Diamond she will fit right in.


...with the stage name "Sparkle"...
 
2008-04-03 09:08:58 PM
I've been to college thrice, each time taking up something that I was told would pay me well when I graduated (electrician, pays well, good chance of finding employment - HATED IT; graphic designer - pays well, thought it would be an artsy CS3 riot - HATED IT; publishing/print media - pays well, industry is lacking new blood - HATEHATEHATE. Seriously? HATE.

$35k in student loans later ... I hand out free daily newspapers at a bus stop and I farkin' LOVE IT.
 
2008-04-03 09:09:19 PM
Did anyone notice how farking retarded and annoying the girl who wrote this was?! I just wanted to squeeze the life out of her little neck! AAAAAAHHHHHH!! God damn it!!

"How amazing would one seem if they were a model, yet had a law degree?"


STRANGLE!!!
 
2008-04-03 09:09:45 PM
I'm not sure what she was saying is so absurd. Verbose, certainly; she could have summed it up by saying "If you have a true calling, follow your passion and damn the money."

I agree with her. I just happen to be lucky enough to have a career that I love and pays well enough.
 
2008-04-03 09:09:48 PM
Awww old people trying to justify why their life sucks by making fun of a young girl. So precious!


/Engineer
//I think she has a point
 
2008-04-03 09:09:49 PM
Halfmast Trousers: This reminds me of when I was graduating high school. I was way low on the success scale (2.3 gpa).

Hell, I graduated from UC Berkeley with a B+ average.


So how did you get in with a 2.3?
 
2008-04-03 09:11:37 PM
I think every intelligent kid applying to university thinks about the possibility of just living a life of happy sustenance (the classic "if I would be happy working as a fisherman in Trinidad, why not go and do that instead of my economics degree?" poser).

For the most part, the path of least resistance is the one which obviously leads to more money. It's a tangible measure of success - much more so than is contentment - and so we gravitate towards it if we are even the slightest bit unsure. It takes strength of character to actually follow up on those childish dreams of pursuing a life of happiness instead of wealth, because there's no guarantee that it will live up to your expectations. Traditional employment? Everybody knows what that's about, so it never lets you down any more than you were expecting. And your parents will get off your case. And you can buy a nice TV.
 
2008-04-03 09:11:50 PM
broomballwilson: I dont know why this is tagged 'amusing'.

This girl sounds mentally mature beyond her years.

I have pity for people who truly believe there is a correlation between money and happiness.


You're kidding, right?

All my problems right now could be solved with money. Lots and lots of money. I know it's not the KEY to happiness, but it sure the hell would help.

/ Just sayin'
 
2008-04-03 09:12:14 PM
Valarius: I once had a sparrow dump upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was "gardening" the village ho , and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance that I should have been by any epaulet I could have worn.

simply ftfy
 
2008-04-03 09:12:35 PM
Because, little snowflake, big people have piles of these on their kitchen tables:

i7.photobucket.com

whether you are a CEO making millions or a garbage man, you get these things in the mail and you have to pay them. That's what being a big person means. It is possible to make a few bucks and be a big person who pays their bills while not being a materialistic prick, despite what your goth friends whine about.
 
2008-04-03 09:12:45 PM
69percent - My ex wife is on welfare. She can't keep a job for more than a few months. She's lazy, doesn't clean, doesn't cook, nothing. She prefers to party over being responsible. She lives in a crappy one room house in the middle of the desert, with junk piled everywhere.

So she comes by my house to pick up our son (I have custody), and has the unbelievably huge huevos to tell me that because I have "things" (TV, computer, carpet, front door), I live for money and am materialistic. She says "Money. So are you happy because of it?!".

My point here is that people who hold the philosophy that "money isn't important" probably don't have money because they're too damn lazy and irresponsible to make it, so they start this "holier than thou" bullshiat and start judging people that actually work there butts off to make a comfortable living.

/Ahhhh. Boy that felt GREAT!


Well, to reply to your post, I'd say that either extreme is a good example of one of my favorite quotes (by none other than Muhammad Ali), and one I post frequently when these types of discussions come up...


"Pleasure is not happiness. It has no more importance than a shadow following a man."

The ultimate example here is crack. Crack will bring you a tremendous amount of pleasure... However, it will not likely bring you much happiness, and in fact will quite likely get in the way of it.

Similarly... driving a Lexus may bring you pleasure, but probably not happiness, and again... can get in the way of happiness. (to refer back to my previous example, if you're having to work 80 hours a week to maintain the income to afford it, and can't spend time with your family, it can rob you of your happiness.)

And likewise, partying all the time (a la your ex-wife) can bring you pleasure... but it's probably fleeting, and dissipates when the party ends. And again, if you devote all your time to it, and it gets in the way of finding things more significant and substantial, it can get in the way of happiness.

The problem is, people often get in a loop of substituting these fleeting momentary pleasures, and pursuing them (because as I said, the pleasure is fleeting, so you have to keep doing it again and again to hold the ennui at bay) can get in the way of happiness.

I don't think anyone is saying money is evil (I'm certainly not) just that it's not a panacea, any more than partying or crack. People often lack the ability to sit down, and look beyond the luster of things, and think and figure out what's really important to THEM, and how to get to it.

Basically, when it comes to money... look at what used to be a middle class house in the 50's, hell... even in the 80's. hell, even ignore amenities and just look at size.

Now look at what's considered a middle class house now. Do you think everyone in the 80's was just miserable and felt like a peasant?

We get sold a bill of goods on what we're supposed to want... We're taught to compare too much. "Well, Jeannie and Ted have an X sq. ft. house... so I better have X sq. ft. too, because I CAN'T let them have a 'nicer' house than me!" It's all stuff to keep us on the spending treadmill. Hell, look at weddings now vs. 20 years ago.

If it really makes people happy, great... More power to 'em. But if it's just a matter of being a hamster on a wheel trying to keep up with everybody else, I think people would be better served spending some time trying to divorce "everybody else" from their decision-making process... figuring out what's important to THEM.

I know EVERYBODY claims they don't care about "everybody else" and marketing doesn't work on them and they're fully-actualized independent people and blah, blah, blah... but advertising isn't a billion dollar industry for nothing... It works. In fact, the most brilliant thing about it is that NO ONE thinks it works on them.

Almost no one thinks (or at least admits) that they're motivated by "keeping up with the Jones'" Yet amazingly, the freight train keeps on chugging ahead.
 
2008-04-03 09:14:22 PM
itsfullofstars: Because, little snowflake, big people have piles of these on their kitchen tables:



whether you are a CEO making millions or a garbage man, you get these things in the mail and you have to pay them. That's what being a big person means. It is possible to make a few bucks and be a big person who pays their bills while not being a materialistic prick, despite what your goth friends whine about.


Hmmm....I'm guessing half of those are bills from things you bought that you didn't really need right?
 
2008-04-03 09:14:52 PM
Have you ever seen anyone sad on a jet ski?
 
2008-04-03 09:16:52 PM
6 years of college and a Bachelor of Science in the Arts later -- I would tell any high school senior to go to Votech school. Become an electrician, a carpenter, a nurse if you can do the work. You'll always find a job somewhere. And that will put food on the table and pay the bills.

A degree in accounting and/or finance would be good at the current moment -- see a lot of those ads all over as well.
 
2008-04-03 09:18:24 PM
Tat'dGreaser: Hmmm....I'm guessing half of those are bills from things you bought that you didn't really need right?

Like power, water, groceries, phone, insurance premiums, mortgage, etc?
 
2008-04-03 09:18:27 PM
Technicolor-Misfit pretty much summed up what I have been saying for years...

Anyhoo, I never knew what I wanted to do after school, cuz there are so many things I like. But the one thing, the one constant in my life that hasn't changed since I was 9 years old, was my obsessive love of vintage clothes and stuff. I love it.

So, I search all over looking for it, real cheap, and sell it for a heck-of-a-lot on eBay and I am making a killing. Plus it's cool, cuz every piece is unique and has history, and is beautiful in it's own right, and I am happy.

Do what you love. Make your hobby into your career. You may not be rich, but you will be happy and pay the bills.

//granted it helps that my dad is uber-rich and bought me a laptop to do my work on
//and an iPod
//not sure why the iPod matters
//heh
 
2008-04-03 09:19:14 PM
You honor god by becoming the very best at what you want to be, and what your talents are.

You honor god by amassing wealth and the benefits and fruits of your labors, as long as you don't hoard it, and work to help your neighbor do the same thing.
 
2008-04-03 09:20:06 PM
I remember when I had two jobs that I loved. I'd sometimes go in on my days off because I loved being there, and I couldn't believe I was getting paid to do what I was doing. I was just barely getting by financially, but I felt whole and generally satisfied and stress-free.

Now I'm hunting for work, knowing I'm going to have to take whatever comes up just to pay the bills, and I'm afraid that the job I'm eventually forced to take is going to suck big donkey balls and make my life hell, though I'll probably be making more money than before. (Of course, I'll still keep looking for that "great" job, but still...)

There's a lot to be said for job satisfaction and doing what you love. Hunny-pie here will learn soon enough that the job that makes you happy AND brings home the bacon isn't easy to come by, but if you're not eating bacon*, you're damn sure not gonna be worrying about knocking 'em dead on the runway.**

*Or other life-sustaining foods
**See Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. (new window)
 
2008-04-03 09:20:25 PM
lordargent: Weaver95: Our religion tells us that having a lot of money lessens our chances of success in the afterlife./font>

Our?

Anyway, ignore that, it's not the point of this post. My real point is.



In the afterlife
You could be headed for the serious strife
Now you make the scene all day
But tomorrow there'll be Hell to pay

People listen attentively
I mean about future calamity
I used to think the idea was obsolete
Until I heard the old man stamping his feet

In the afterlife
You could be headed for the serious strife
Now you make the scene all day
But tomorrow there'll be Hell to pay

This is a place where eternally
Fire is applied to the body
Teeth are extruded and bones are ground
Then baked into cakes which are passed around

In the afterlife
You could be headed for the serious strife
Now you make the scene all day
But tomorrow there'll be Hell to pay

Beauty, talent, fame, money
Refinement, top skill and brain
But all the things you try to hide
Will be revealed on the other side

In the afterlife
You could be headed for the serious strife
Now you make the scene all day
But tomorrow there'll be Hell to pay

Now the D and the A and the M and the N
And the A and the T and the I-O-N
Lose your face, lose your name
Then get fitted for a suit of flame

Now the D and the A and the M and the N
And the A and the T and the I-O-N
Lose your face, lose your name
Then get fitted for a suit of flame


1: God is not religous (IM-NS-HO)

2: Religion was created by man as a means of justifying his beliefs to the dumb masses.

3: Baptists bug me.

4: So do some californians.

5: I like them southern girls, though (just not the baptist ones)
 
2008-04-03 09:20:54 PM
Gigglecream: Have you ever seen anyone sad on a jet ski?

I've know sad people who owned jet skis (not really...but snowmobiles, yeah, literally - similar enough for purposes of this point)...while they're on them they are usually happy, but merely possessing them does little to bring them overall happiness.
 
2008-04-03 09:21:19 PM
moothemagiccow: Why should and why do intelligent people often limit themselves to jobs in business or accounting or engineering?

AH HA HA HA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm sorry, but I've met plenty of morons in all those professions.

AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA


He didn't say that all people in those professions are intelligent, he said that all intelligent people when into those professions.

/Moran?
 
2008-04-03 09:22:08 PM
itsfullofstars: Tat'dGreaser: Hmmm....I'm guessing half of those are bills from things you bought that you didn't really need right?

Like power, water, groceries, phone, insurance premiums, mortgage, etc?


My point is people can find places where those prices are less. They may decide to not have a phone or have a low cost plan. The problem I have is you are so quick to judge this young lady who seems to be using her head to try and figure out her life. She's not the kind of person (believe me, I see them a lot) who thinks they are going to go become a famous photographer or painter and then wonder why they are starving, all while buying a brand new plasma screen tv and a new car.

The point is some people can be happy living in less then standard environments. Also, it just makes you sound like a jerk when you say "Hey little girl, this is what big people do". She's 17, not 5.
 
2008-04-03 09:22:32 PM
rhelaien: 6 years of college and a Bachelor of Science in the Arts later -- I would tell any high school senior to go to Votech school. Become an electrician, a carpenter, a nurse if you can do the work. You'll always find a job somewhere. And that will put food on the table and pay the bills.

My grandfather was a carpenter. He never had lots of money, but when I drove around with him, on every other street there would be a house he built or a business he installed this or that for. He had a story about every one and was friends with most of the people he worked for. Things like that can be really rewarding jobs. Even though he was retired, he kept working carpentry with my uncle right up until he died because he loved it. How many people who work in a cubicle would do that...
 
2008-04-03 09:22:57 PM
toddism: 4: So do some californians.

Me, too.

/Californian
//some Oregonians bug me, too.
///also Nevadans
////oh, and Arizonans!
////...and Washingtonians
//etc.....
 
2008-04-03 09:27:05 PM
I'm currently in a college course that I hate (Architecture) so I'm not really getting a kick out of these replies.

I realised I don't want to spend 7 years studying for degrees, masters and all that, only to step onto the bottom of the employment ladder making tea at the office. I could be in my 40s before I actually establish myself professionally. What I really want is to just make a bomb of money really quickly (lottery, horseracing etc.) and never actually have to work for the rest of my life. Why can't I go back in time and invest in Google? Anyone have any tips on how to make a bundle?
 
2008-04-03 09:27:22 PM
Jula: Do what you love. Make your hobby into your career. You may not be rich, but you will be happy and pay the bills.

You sound like my high school guidance counselor. "If you like music, you should be a musician. Just look at all the albums for sale in record stores, that could be you!" Striving for your dreams is great but why in the world would you point a kid down a road that they had about a .00000000001% chance of succeeding at with zero discussion of a backup plan.

Luckily I had a math teacher who said "you know, you can have a scientific degree and still be creative. Those are the best kinds of scientists anyway." That man was very very right and that counselor was dangerously wrong.

You dont have to through caution to the wind to be happy.
 
2008-04-03 09:27:42 PM
Or society doesn't reward most types of thinkers.

img385.imageshack.us
 
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