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2008-04-03 06:52:51 AM  
If this can be considered true, then it most certainly is nothing to do with over-zealous H&S requirements and a "no ball games here" culture. The prime culprits would be fearmongering media shiathouses like The Daily Fail who make a living convincing people that life was gentler and more kind at some arbitrary point in recent memory, but now we're all going to hell in a hand basket.

It's an industry of fake nostalgia for a time that never existed. People were still getting killed, raped and robbed back in the olden days, I'm afraid.
 
2008-04-03 06:56:54 AM  
Devil's Advocaat: What do you expect in a country with a mass media that sensationalises child murder, child abduction and paedophilia to the extent that parents are too scared to let their kids walk to school on their own never mind play in the local park with their friends?

Children are more likely to be struck by lightning on their way to handing in their winning lottery ticket than being abducted and killed by a mysterious kiddie fiddler on the prowl.

And the statistics show that the number of child murders hasn't increased in the last 30 years, meaning we were subjected to just as much risk as they would be now if only their over-protective parents would take off the cotton wool.


Exactly.
 
2008-04-03 06:59:30 AM  
when i was about 10, i had a primary school teach who never once took us outside for PE... i dont know why, b/c all the other teachers went outside, and he was a sporty guy himself, running to/from school everday...
 
2008-04-03 07:03:14 AM  
Devil's Advocaat: Children are more likely to be struck by lightning on their way to handing in their winning lottery ticket than being abducted and killed by a mysterious kiddie fiddler on the prowl.

I like your point, but speaking of pulling stats out of thin air...
 
2008-04-03 07:09:06 AM  
Eh, by the time I was old enough to go to school I knew what a pedo was and how to avoid them. Hell, every video I had to watch in school was about identifying and avoiding those types. It's not like pedos just grab kids off the street, they lure them in with candy and shiat. As long as your kids aren't dumbasses they'll be fine walking around the city or 'burbs.

/DARE graduate, etc.
 
2008-04-03 07:17:22 AM  
As an immigrant football hooligan who eats nothing but children and spotted dicks I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2008-04-03 07:18:04 AM  
From the comments section of the article:
"It's very sad that children can't play unsupervised, but diligent parents have little choice. There are too many perverts allowed to roam free not to mention drug paddlers and users who leave syringes at the playground. "

Welcome to the world view of a Daily Mail reader, and remeber that this is who the article was written for. Yes, my 2-year-old can't move for syringes at any one of our three local play areas, though we often enjoy playing with the drug paddles (sic).

The comment also leaves me wondering at what point 'many perverts' becomes 'too many perverts'...
 
2008-04-03 07:25:46 AM  
Devil's Advocaat

What do you expect in a country with a mass media that sensationalises child murder, child abduction and paedophilia to the extent that parents are too scared to let their kids walk to school on their own never mind play in the local park with their friends?

And the statistics show that the number of child murders hasn't increased in the last 30 years, meaning we were subjected to just as much risk as they would be now if only their over-protective parents would take off the cotton wool.


[My emphasis - worth restating]

And, don't forget that most molestation is carried out by adults known to the child, so is keeping them in closer proximity to the highest risk group of people really such a good idea?

I'm sure if a car ran off the road onto the pavement [=US sidewalk] and killed a child, the Daily Heil readers would be making their children walk down the middle of the roads from then on.

Stuart
 
2008-04-03 07:26:46 AM  
mungo: users who leave syringes at the playground. "

This is actually a problem in some urban playgrounds.
 
2008-04-03 07:36:43 AM  
Outside is a frightening, dangerous place. We don't go... to the outside. Not anymore.
 
2008-04-03 07:38:12 AM  
RubberFootMan: mungo: users who leave syringes at the playground. "

This is actually a problem in some urban playgrounds.


I live in a less then salubrious area of south east London and regularly stroll the parks, total needles discovered = 0.

When I was a youngster in Honolulu, however, I regularly came across syringes. I've never understood why parents think kids will play with them though. "Ohh a rusty needle I'll just stick that in myself, that'll be fun".

Gobobo: As an immigrant football hooligan who eats nothing but children and spotted dicks I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

I like you ability to concisely round up Brit clichés into a single sentence, you often make me chuckle. Child eating is a new one on me though. Where did that one come from??
 
2008-04-03 07:43:37 AM  
StuartMcIntyre: Stuart

Why the hell do some people sign their fark posts?
 
2008-04-03 07:45:28 AM  
Oh, thought I'd make it slightly relevant to the thread. Maybe badly cooked children would be better.
 
2008-04-03 07:46:32 AM  
iaazathot: Is any of that really THAT prevalent in any one area? In all areas?

Hell, no - But anyone who believed the Daily Mail would think it described the average street in Britain. That's my point - The depressing irony that a story bemoaning parents who keep their children indoors has been printed in the very same paper which, every other day, specialises in stories warning of the multitude of (ludicrously exagerated) perils waiting for those children if they set foot outside.

Also, the TV news is designed to scare the piss out of us so we stay indoors and watch more advertising. Emotionally addled people consume more, it is simple marketing strategy. Don't watch the TV news!!!!

I do believe you could have a point there...

Stavros: ...The Daily Fail who make a living convincing people that life was gentler and more kind at some arbitrary point in recent memory...

Although oddly their misty-eyed nostalgia never seems to reach back as far as the 1930s, when the Daily Mail were supporting that fine upstanding Oswald Mosely chap and his plucky Black-shirts...
 
2008-04-03 07:52:33 AM  
cantsleep: Mr. Balls.
I couldn't read any farther.


His father, Harold, should have let him outside more often.
 
2008-04-03 07:55:29 AM  
Nick Nostril: cantsleep: Mr. Balls.

His father, Harold, should have let him outside more often.


Apparently, his father "Michael Balls is a former academic and European civil servant, an expert in alternatives to the use of animals in experiments and chairman of the Fund for the Replacement of Animals in Medical Experiments (FRAME)."

So he appears to be a rather more worthwhile individual than his son.
 
2008-04-03 07:57:37 AM  
There was a woman on NBC's "Today" show this morning who let her 9 year old kid come home from school alone. In NYC. Guess he'd been begging for weeks and has demonstrated the ability to navigate the public transit system.

So she let him.

When she stated her reasons for doing so--about how abductions are RARE and the exception--I wanted to stand up and cheer.
 
2008-04-03 08:08:25 AM  
drink from hosepipes, throw stones at wasps nests, play in streams and rivers, jump up and down on worryingly thin ice, make dangerous ramps for their bikes, use rope swings, run across the road or put dog dirt on a stick and chase other children.



Ahhhh those were the days!!!!
 
2008-04-03 08:11:24 AM  
msirois: Balls

Ditto. Also the pic of said Mr. Balls.

img.dailymail.co.uk
 
2008-04-03 08:12:27 AM  
Beerinator: Since I bought this house, three registered sex offenders have moved within two blocks of us. If my kids are outside - so am I. If I need to go inside for some reason, so do they.

It's called teaching. You know, "don't get into any vans advertising free candy," etc. Your kid is significantly more likely to die of obesity than by violence.
 
2008-04-03 08:13:51 AM  
www.shanemacgowan.com
I love to go to the playground and watch the children jumping up and down. They don't know I'm firing blanks.
 
2008-04-03 08:15:00 AM  
Teufel232: I want everyone here from America that is over 20 years old to stop and think.

Think about what childhood was like when we were kids. Think about how, as you've gotten older, you've watched the things we used to do (and still turned out okay) be called dangerous and a serious threat to our safety. Think about how you've heard of the things we used to do getting banned across the nation.

Now, you tell me, that you don't think statistics like the ones in that article, and possibly even worse "statistics" then that, aren't very likely to happen, whether it be in the UK or here.


It's truly a shame; kids aren't developing a the ability to think independently and creatively, a sense of adventure, or an imagination. This is just so their overprotective parents can feel that they're "doing it right."
Even this site has a thing that says playgrounds are dangerous.
 
2008-04-03 08:18:24 AM  
We also eat 'babies heads

www.agalinks.com
 
2008-04-03 08:21:15 AM  
DancingJester -
Child eating is a new one on me though. Where did that one come from??



"I love children. But I couldn't eat a whole one"
 
2008-04-03 08:24:44 AM  
mungo: Welcome to the world view of a Daily Mail reader, and remeber that this is who the article was written for. Yes, my 2-year-old can't move for syringes at any one of our three local play areas, though we often enjoy playing with the drug paddles (sic).

The Mail needs a drug paddlin'.
 
2008-04-03 08:32:34 AM  
cantsleep: Mr. Balls.
I couldn't read any farther.


this
i261.photobucket.com
/not me in the pic
 
2008-04-03 08:38:13 AM  
Beerinator: Since I bought this house, three registered sex offenders have moved within two blocks of us. If my kids are outside - so am I. If I need to go inside for some reason, so do they.

One delivers newspapers (the old-fashioned paper type) and sees where kids live and where they roam around.

It just isn't the same as it used to be. Letting your child play outside unsupervised is irresponsible.


That all depends on where you live now, doesn't? Such a broad brush you have.

I don't have any sex offenders living in my neighborhood, or murderers, or general criminals. My yard is huge, and my children have always been - and will be - allowed to play in the yard and in the immediate neighborhood unsupervised.

Unsupervised != Ignored. I know where they are, and what they're doing, I'm just not standing over them 24x7.
 
2008-04-03 08:41:24 AM  
Brits should let their little snowflakes pack heat, like we can over here. Even a .22 plinker (pops) can have a tremendous deterrent effect on a potential child molester.
 
2008-04-03 08:48:30 AM  
It's not about sex offenders it's about lawsuits.
 
2008-04-03 08:48:43 AM  
syrynxx: Brits should let their little snowflakes pack heat, like we can over here. Even a .22 plinker (pops) can have a tremendous deterrent effect on a potential child molester.

It is traditional for British children to obtain an air pistol, use it irresponsibly for an afternoon, then either hide it from the police, or have it confiscated by a parent.

We aren't ready for firearms of any description.

And don't get me started on fireworks.
 
2008-04-03 09:07:35 AM  
cantsleep: I like your point, but speaking of pulling stats out of thin air...

Obviously I was exaggerating for effect. Here are a few stats not pulled out of thin air.

"While the number of child homicides fluctuates each year, the overall child homicide rate in England and Wales has remained broadly similar since the 1970s." Creighton and Tissier (2003)

"On average, 11 children per year in England and Wales are killed at the hands of strangers. This equates to an annual average of 16% of all cases of child murder" Coleman, K. et al (2007)


So, 11 children per year equals .21 children per week.

Latest Census figures show that there are approximately 9.82 million children aged 0-14 in England and Wales.

Which means that in any given week, children in England and Wales have a 1 in 46,753,000 chance of being killed by a stranger. This compares with a 1 in 13,983,816 of winning the National Lottery in any given week.
 
2008-04-03 09:12:38 AM  
syrynxx: Brits should let their little snowflakes pack heat, like we can over here. Even a .22 plinker (pops) can have a tremendous deterrent effect on a potential child molester.

On the down side though, it explains why in the United States 1 in 5 child murders are committed by another child, which is exceptionally high for a Western country.
 
2008-04-03 09:15:32 AM  
Teufel232: I want everyone here from America that is over 20 years old to stop and think.

If that were possible we wouldn't be the nation Most Likely To Evolve Into Idiocracy.
 
2008-04-03 09:22:57 AM  
Beerinator: Since I bought this house, three registered sex offenders have moved within two blocks of us. If my kids are outside - so am I. If I need to go inside for some reason, so do they.

One delivers newspapers (the old-fashioned paper type) and sees where kids live and where they roam around.

It just isn't the same as it used to be. Letting your child play outside unsupervised is irresponsible.


Because until the year 2008, there were no such things as sex offenders buying homes in nice neighborhoods or anything.

Nope. Not in the least.

Out of curiosity, what precisely were the charges brought against these three people?
 
2008-04-03 10:11:18 AM  
Three-quarters of farkers have never played outside because there are no computer terminals.
 
2008-04-03 10:12:49 AM  
Haha, his name is Ed Balls...

/that is all I could read from TFA...
 
2008-04-03 10:20:52 AM  
Whamdangler
Bullshiat.

Yeah, I agreee. Pretty standard article for the Daily Fail.
 
2008-04-03 10:22:49 AM  
img134.imageshack.us

That is all.
 
2008-04-03 10:29:06 AM  
Everytime I think things in this country can't get any worse, something about the UK like this comes out
 
2008-04-03 10:56:22 AM  
Read "Last Child in the Woods." Utterly brilliant book.
 
2008-04-03 11:19:45 AM  
My mom used to tell my brother and I to go play in the street. That means "get out of my face and go play!". Parents could have their children taken away for saying that anymore.

Parents should be the ones to decide how to raise kids. Not the media, not the government.
 
2008-04-03 11:33:25 AM  
RubberFootMan
Don't worry too much - kids are still allowed to drink from hosepipes,

And have either the property owner or their parents sue if the kid gets any kind of waterborne disease

throw stones at wasps nests,

...get sued if a window is broken in a nearby property of if someone's kid gets stung by the wasps and happens to be allergic...

play in streams and rivers,

...have to sue the chemical plant upstream for the skin rash you got from their dumping...

jump up and down on worryingly thin ice,

...hope the person who owns the land the lake sits on has a good lawyer...

make dangerous ramps for their bikes,

Can't sue for this one... maybe the bike manufacturer for not putting a warning label on the bike, "do not use this on dangerous ramps"

use rope swings,

Better do that on your own property in case the rope breaks...

run across the road

Get hit? That's a suin'!

or put dog dirt on a stick and chase other children.

That's just nasty. I didn't even do that, and I did some foul shiat as a kid...

Point being that in this era of litigation, while letting the little spawn out to play has its' merits, parents unfortunately need to think of the downside as well.
 
2008-04-03 11:34:20 AM  
Us Americans are just as bad. A Chinese family I worked with left their son (age 12 I believe) home alone on a school holiday while the parents went to work. The nosy neighbors called the police and child services came and said if they did it again their child will be taken away. I was talking to the dad and he was incredulous. He said he was already working at age 10 in China and that in some rural areas, at 12, you're even expected to start bringing in an income and helping to support the family.
 
2008-04-03 11:39:51 AM  
LowPlainsDrifter
Teufel232: I want everyone here from America that is over 20 years old to stop and think.

If that were possible we wouldn't be the nation Most Likely To DEvolve Into Idiocracy.

FTFY
 
2008-04-03 11:47:37 AM  
treecologist: Three-quarters of farkers have never played outside because there are no computer terminals.

I have never encouraged my spawn to stay in the house. I'm a big tree-hugger. I've never tried to scare him with stories of unknown dangers lurking in the open air. I wish he'd go hiking, backpacking, skateboarding, hell, hitch-hiking, if it would get him out of the house. But since he discovered gaming, the "real world" is nowhere near as interesting as the one on his computer screen.

It's not always the parent's fault.
 
2008-04-03 11:53:59 AM  
CtrlAltDelete
The only thing I got from this article is that British people call their sh*tty backyards "The Garden."


If they can call a 'chip buttie' food and Mrs. Beckham 'posh', then they can call some slabs of cement surrounded by half-dead shrubs a garden. You should see the sort of developments that get called 'Estates'.

I think this sounds nice in an aristocratic sort of way, so I'm going to do what I can to introduce this vernacular phenomenon here in the U.S.,. Go for it, but only if you don't actually garden...
 
2008-04-03 11:59:02 AM  
cryinoutloud: treecologist: Three-quarters of farkers have never played outside because there are no computer terminals.

I have never encouraged my spawn to stay in the house. I'm a big tree-hugger. I've never tried to scare him with stories of unknown dangers lurking in the open air. I wish he'd go hiking, backpacking, skateboarding, hell, hitch-hiking, if it would get him out of the house. But since he discovered gaming, the "real world" is nowhere near as interesting as the one on his computer screen.

It's not always the parent's fault.


When my folks thought I spent too much time in front of the tv/computer/etc. They'd give me chores to do. Remember chores? This continued until I had a job.
 
2008-04-03 01:12:21 PM  
Squidgilum: Read "Last Child in the Woods." Utterly brilliant book.

I fully agree. That book is great. I don't have kids, but someday when i do i intend to raise them as in touch with nature as possible.
 
2008-04-03 01:39:02 PM  
If this is even remotely true this is a tragedy.


I know! Poor guy, having a name like that...
 
2008-04-03 02:11:50 PM  
Teufel232

I want everyone here from America that is over 20 years old to stop and think.

Think about what childhood was like when we were kids. Think about how, as you've gotten older, you've watched the things we used to do (and still turned out okay) be called dangerous and a serious threat to our safety. Think about how you've heard of the things we used to do getting banned across the nation.

Now, you tell me, that you don't think statistics like the ones in that article, and possibly even worse "statistics" then that, aren't very likely to happen, whether it be in the UK or here.


Well, yes it can and already has. There's been numerous stories and reports about American kids staying inside too much and getting fat and lazy, which is one of the reasons why game makers are now developing interactive video games where you have to move physically and vigorously to play them.

A lot of stuff I used to do as a kid is now banned or too risky because someone might sue the krap out of someone if their kid bumps a knee. Public playgrounds have been stripped of entertaining and exciting equipment because idiots sued over their kids being kids and getting hurt there.

Some folks sued because they felt whatever equipment in the park was dangerous and might hurt someone or inappropriate. We had a Vietnam era fighter jet, stripped down, in our city park and the kids loved it.

It got removed because, after about 10 years, some folks complained that it was inappropriate, encouraged war and threatened suits. (Now, it's in another city, being carefully restored by a company to flying condition.)

The media hammers parents and kids with 'helpful PSA' about how going outside the family fort can get you killed, molested, exposed to nasty diseases and psychotic neighbors. After all, the sunlight is so cancerous that the kid needs to wear a protective suit when he steps outside and if you swim at the beach, there's critters lined up in the water ready to eat you alive or whack you with agonizing stings. (This is ironic because, back in the 60s, the media started a massive push showing you how animals were our friends and cuddly and nice, which kind of backfired when a lot of folks encountered wild animals and mimicked what they saw on TV. Usually with the result that they got sliced and diced.)

Plus, due to kids being kids, lawyers have basically masses of excuses to sue the krap out of everyone and everything on their behalf for almost any reason.

Now, it's a known fact that pounding a population with various forms of negative information can affect it. In our current society with so many outlets for news and information, we get hammered even more. This is kind of like the brain washing that was used early on in Red China and used in Vietnam and quite well used in Nazi Germany. (Please note: I said 'kind of like.')

You hammer at folks long enough with a message and, the majority, like it or not, will begin to believe it.
 
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