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(Jpost)   Hamas: "We accept state on 1967 borders." Israel: [takes a deep breath, sighs] "Gee, you know, that information... really would've been more useful to me *yesterday.* By yesterday, we mean, of course, 40 years ago"   (jpost.com) divider line 1016
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2008-04-02 02:15:02 PM
Gregory F. Stuart: Degree Absolute: Her second post was clearly tongue-in-cheek troll baiting.

Like farking hell it is. You've never set foot in one of these threads in your life, have you? I've seen her actually say stuff like this in previous threads.

Next time try understanding context and how it can change the meanings of words. Also you should practice reading in between the lines. It will make you a better, more knowledgeable Farker.

Oh, fark you, you condescending dickwad. You don't even know what the hell you're talking about.


You amaze me Greg; I mean, I really wonder how you can post; you have so much Hamas c*ck in your mouth... how can you even see your monitor?
 
2008-04-02 02:16:23 PM
Gregory F. Stuart

No one is as zealous as a recent convert.

i think racism and religion are pretty similar - both seem to be about belonging as derived from unsupportable (outside of that to which it allows one to belong) belief. young people get sucked into these things either because they are taught the unsupportable belief as fact, or because they are seeking something which will enable them to easily belong
 
2008-04-02 02:17:24 PM
I_Love_Cheesecake: Edsel: mrexcess: Meanwhile, Israel announces new settlements the day after they promise Condoleeza Rice that they'll stop building them.

This. Israel is never going to accept the 1967 borders. Headline is retarded.

As long as Israel refuses to acknowledge 1967 borders, there will never be peace.

/Israel is a greater impediment to peace in the region than Hamas militants.


I think the "failure to acknowledge 1967 borders" award should go to Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

They claimed that prize in June 1967.

"Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united....I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation"
-Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad, May 20, 1967

"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel...to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations"
- President Nasser of Egypt, May 30, 1967

fark the Arabs and the "Palestinians". Israel's as entitled to those territories as France is to the Alsace-Lorraine.
 
2008-04-02 02:18:10 PM
Sammy Jenkins
We should move Israel to Wyoming. Problem solved.

Ya know...
That wouldn't be such a bad idea. It's not like we're strangers to open carry and bomb shelters. We even have nukes and missiles.

Frankly, we could use more folks that are tired of Washington telling us how to live. I could even invite one of those IDF gals to go shooting with me.

/I did not have foreign relations with that woman...
// Maybe we'll wall off the Colorado border to keep the Greenies from infiltrating.
 
2008-04-02 02:19:07 PM
slave2grind: Everything else aside, my real concerns about the whole conflict is when and how will it end. And how far will it escalate.

Speculation anyone?


If I wanted to be pessimistic...I'd say it'd go on forever and may escalate, then fall, then escalate, etc. There has always conflict in that region, and always will be.

I would like to see peace in my time though. Sometimes if I close my eyes real tight and count to 10, I can almost picture peace there.

/sigh
 
2008-04-02 02:19:15 PM
Hamas trying to make Palestine a recognized state is like PETA trying to run a cattle ranch.
 
2008-04-02 02:19:17 PM
xen0blue: Nobodyn0se: Where's Czar? Is he no longer a farker?

No, he walked into a hotel room with a bomb strapped to his chest and tatsuma just happened to be there, hence the reason both of them are gone.


So that was a ZOMBIE TATS????
 
2008-04-02 02:19:53 PM
21-7-b: Gregory F. Stuart

No one is as zealous as a recent convert.

i think racism and religion are pretty similar - both seem to be about belonging as derived from unsupportable (outside of that to which it allows one to belong) belief. young people get sucked into these things either because they are taught the unsupportable belief as fact, or because they are seeking something which will enable them to easily belong


Was that how Aryan Nations recruited you?
 
2008-04-02 02:20:03 PM
ChopSueyKS: Wendy's Chili: Can somebody re-summon Tatsuma? He never answered my question.

Why does Tats have to answer it? I'm sure there are a million books and articles on whatever you wanted to ask...

/Not trying to be mean to you, but Tats seems to be constantly harassed for just being Tats with these "questions".


My question was a personal one. Unless he's penned a book I don't know about, then I'm afraid I'll not find the answer at my local library.
 
2008-04-02 02:20:04 PM
21-7-b
Gregory F. Stuart

No one is as zealous as a recent convert.

i think racism and religion are pretty similar - both seem to be about belonging as derived from unsupportable (outside of that to which it allows one to belong) belief. young people get sucked into these things either because they are taught the unsupportable belief as fact, or because they are seeking something which will enable them to easily belong


Thanks Dr. Phil. Maybe next time you should find a toilet before you spew your bullshiat to avoid the keyboard.
 
2008-04-02 02:20:20 PM
21-7-b: Nocens

peace is a process, and i think you'll find that the oslo peace accords were totally undermined by the likes of doug feith, mr and mrs wurmser, et al. rather than a way forward, the right-wingers saw them as something to retreat from.


I recall Feith and the Wurmsers talking shiat but I don't recall them blowing anyone the fark up.

What incident sparked the 2nd intifadah that caused Clinton to jump in in the first place?
 
2008-04-02 02:20:35 PM
RanDomino: And there's Osama bin Ladin

And I will talk to you about the reason for those events, and I will be honest with you about the moments the decision was made so that you can ponder. And I tell you, God only knows, that we never had the intentions to destroy the towers.

But after the injustice was so much and we saw transgressions and the coalition between Americans and the Israelis against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it occurred to my mind that we deal with the towers. And these special events that directly and personally affected me go back to 1982 and what happened when America gave permission for Israel to invade Lebanon. And assistance was given by the American sixth fleet.

During those crucial moments, my mind was thinking about many things that are hard to describe. But they produced a feeling to refuse and reject injustice, and I had determination to punish the transgressors.

And as I was looking at those towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we have to punish the transgressor with the same -- and that we had to destroy the towers in America so that they taste what we tasted, and they stop killing our women and children.


If we stop helping Jews kill Moslems, then the terrorists have already won.
 
2008-04-02 02:21:18 PM
goodbomb: liam76:

If they stopped lobbing rockets for a while they would find an economic boom by trading with Israel (like they were having prior to the second intafada).

its really funny (and sad) to think of what would REALLY happen in a situation like that. The palestinians put down their guns and declare ceasefire. you know what would happen? arabs from other countries would show up and start doing what the palestinians are doing now (a la hezbollah).

tough nut


The Israelis know the difference between Hezbollah and the Palestinians. It's easy for us outside of the region to view everyone attacking Israel as all the same, but if the Palestinians really put down their weapons, the Israeli's would know.
 
2008-04-02 02:21:22 PM
Give the whole lot of it back to the Australopithecines. It's only fair.
 
2008-04-02 02:22:02 PM
mrexcess:

DragonFarked
Ok,

So...? Where's your evidence?



Ahhh ok I have to prove my side in a way that is acceptable to you, but a blanket statement of "It's not defensive" requires nothing more. If you really want the answer, go read up on the situation with the settlements. Try reading some neutral material, then some you disagree with, then come back. I'm not going to provide proof to someone poping in and out and adding very little to the debate.
 
2008-04-02 02:22:53 PM
Relatively Obscure: Give the whole lot of it back to the Australopithecines. It's only fair.

The Pangean Liberation Force will kick your...
 
2008-04-02 02:23:09 PM
If only Egypt, Jordan, and Syria had accepted the 1967 borders -- in 1967 -- the term "Occupied Territory" would only apply to Tibet.
 
2008-04-02 02:23:15 PM
EsteeFlwrPot: Thanks Dr. Phil. Maybe next time you should find a toilet before you spew your bullshiat to avoid the keyboard.

I asked you failrly pointed questions regarding this, and you ignored them.
 
2008-04-02 02:23:50 PM
Jon Snow: RanDomino: Even if 10,000 Israelis die (which is about 100 times as large as a reasonable estimate), it would be far fewer than if the conflict goes on forever- by demanding perfect safety now, they guarantee danger.

The last time I suggested that, I was accused of explicitly calling for the deaths of Jews.


I was nice to you in that thread and said I was sorry. :D
 
2008-04-02 02:23:50 PM
Gregory F. Stuart: Degree Absolute: Her second post was clearly tongue-in-cheek troll baiting.

Like farking hell it is. You've never set foot in one of these threads in your life, have you? I've seen her actually say stuff like this in previous threads.

Next time try understanding context and how it can change the meanings of words. Also you should practice reading in between the lines. It will make you a better, more knowledgeable Farker.

Oh, fark you, you condescending dickwad. You don't even know what the hell you're talking about.


I was going to respond with a witty rejoinder but then I realized you're from Florida and don't know any better. My bad.
 
2008-04-02 02:24:14 PM
OttoDog: fark the Arabs and the "Palestinians". Israel's as entitled to those territories as France is to the Alsace-Lorraine.

Even if it takes a World War to get them!
 
2008-04-02 02:24:23 PM
Allen. The end.: failrly

I meant 'fairly', guh.
 
2008-04-02 02:24:27 PM
vygramul
When did they decide to start settling the West Bank instead?

From what I can tell, some time in the late '70s. Israel allowed nationalist Jews to live in Hebron in 1979, for example (and has since oppressed the tens of thousands of Palestinians in the city to protect the safety of a few hundred of them)... I know I've seen charts that show a large uptick in settlements starting about that time, but I haven't found it yet. I'll keep looking.


jethus_crised
GLASS PARKING LOT

Or we could just stop unfairly and pointlessly backing Israel.


Nocens
Well, you really brought it on yourselves.

Like the abuser said to his wife, "Why do you make me hit you?"


liam76
People talk about all the palestenians who were booted from their homes in 48, but seem to forget that just as many (by some accounts more) jews were booted from surrounding Muslim nations.

A lot of awful stuff happened decades ago. Now, I'm the last person to defend patriarchal, oppressive, backwards Muslim/Arab society. It's why my only reservation about pulling out of Iraq is that the radically-conservative nationalist Islamist reactionaries would take control, dooming millions to oppression; similarly, the Palestinian militants are largely of this mindset. It sucks and blows.

Anyway, the only thing we should be concerned about is how to make things better now. If we start arguing about ancient history, we'll start to look like Albanians and Serbs.


Gregory F. Stuart
No one is as zealous as a recent convert.

repeated for truth.
 
2008-04-02 02:25:16 PM
enemigo_de_pepe: slave2grind
WAIT WAIT!
I HAVE A SOLUTION.

Palisraelstine.

/solved

This will never work. You gave Palestine first and last billing and crammed Israel in the middle. Lets just combine "Israel" with "Palestine" and call it "Israel". Deal?


Deal.
Or... considering the circumstances, we could temporarily name it Thunderdome.
 
2008-04-02 02:25:28 PM
Allen. The end.
EsteeFlwrPot: Thanks Dr. Phil. Maybe next time you should find a toilet before you spew your bullshiat to avoid the keyboard.

I asked you failrly pointed questions regarding this, and you ignored them.


Oh I didnt realize, I must have missed them. What were they?
 
2008-04-02 02:26:26 PM
ChopSueyKS:
The Israelis know the difference between Hezbollah and the Palestinians. It's easy for us outside of the region to view everyone attacking Israel as all the same, but if the Palestinians really put down their weapons, the Israeli's would know.


I agree Israel would know. i just mean there'd still be reason for Israel to stay full-bore militant because they'd still have hostile enemies on the border. if they were non-Palestinians i guess it would still be closer to peace though.
 
2008-04-02 02:26:31 PM
DragonFarked: mrexcess:

DragonFarked
Ok,

So...? Where's your evidence?



Ahhh ok I have to prove my side in a way that is acceptable to you, but a blanket statement of "It's not defensive" requires nothing more. If you really want the answer, go read up on the situation with the settlements. Try reading some neutral material, then some you disagree with, then come back. I'm not going to provide proof to someone poping in and out and adding very little to the debate.


Oh hell, Mixed you up with someone else. My apologize for the completely unfounded and asinine statement of mine above.
 
2008-04-02 02:27:11 PM
Wendy's Chili: What if they came from Palestine?

There is no Palestine. It was totally made up, just like Secretary's Day and Father's Day, except Palestine Day doesn't sell as many greeting cards. Hallmark is totally bummed out about that, so they made up "Wipe Israel off the Map Day."
 
2008-04-02 02:27:21 PM
UnkleKrakker: The Pangean Liberation Force will kick your...

That actually made me think of something. If we're all just very, very, very, very, very very patient, plate tectonics will solve this problem for us.
 
2008-04-02 02:27:49 PM
RanDomino: Here's the root of the problem: Israelis, like all Westerners, demand perfect safety at all times. We refuse to look death in the face. So Israel puts into place these bullshiat security measures (while cynically expanding settlements) that guarantee that Palestinians will hate them forever, launching attacks the whole time. If Israel withdraws to the Green Line, sure, there will be attacks. Even if 10,000 Israelis die (which is about 100 times as large as a reasonable estimate), it would be far fewer than if the conflict goes on forever- by demanding perfect safety now, they guarantee danger.


this has got to be one of the dumber comments I have ever seen on fark.


So non western countries are cool with their govt doing nothing to stop preventable deaths? they just walk around waiting to die.

People like you crack me up. You are so ignorant of the world outside what you see as the "west" that you create these fanciful ideas of what people are like.

Everyone wants safety from their govt. No govt in the world would be re-elected if they purposefully chose to ignore preventable attacks. You call them bullshiat security measures, but how often do you see suicide bombers now? Shooters from gaza or the swestbank?

the fact is that their measures worked. And no govt in the world woudl give in to a weaker pwoer who vowed to wipe them out and has actively worked towards wiping them out.
 
2008-04-02 02:28:19 PM
ChopSueyKS

Right wing extremists on both sides didn't like it and tried to have it undermined.

/That means it was working.


it seemed to me to move the process forward, in some regards, substantially; but that would have prevented some people asserting themselves and their ideology

/we are a tragic species at times
//which propensity to tragedy, somewhat paradoxically, is probably used as justification by extremists all over the world
 
2008-04-02 02:28:55 PM
Wendy's Chili: OttoDog: fark the Arabs and the "Palestinians". Israel's as entitled to those territories as France is to the Alsace-Lorraine.

Even if it takes a World War to get them!


They HAD the war. The whole Arab League attacked Israel. Israel won.

And, yes, BOTH sides were playing "keepsies".
 
2008-04-02 02:29:04 PM
DragonFarked [TotalFark] 2008-04-02 01:49:59 PM


Could a one state solution work without a massive change of mindset for all involved?
Is the mindset change needed on the Palestinian side that much from were you are at as opposed to government leaders?


Most Israeli and Palestinian civilians want to live Peaceful lives without fear and worry about a possible, gruesome death. I do not think a massive mindset change is required, but what is required is that the Palestinian populace be integrated as citizens with equal rights within the Israeli Nation. In turn, the Palestinians must focus and work with the Israelis to bring those to justice who would do harm to the entire Peace process.

Believe me, most of us (Palestinians) want Peace and want to live happy normal lives and give our children the ability to live as any other. We are a peaceful people, but it is unfortunate that those who are in favour of violence have the loudest voice (this goes to both sides).
 
2008-04-02 02:29:40 PM
Allen. The end.: funmonger: EsteeFlwrPot: I'll answer it. Id ship those "Palestinian" farkers back to Jordan, Egypt and wherever else they came from, take back our rightfully owned land and then sit under a tree and enjoy some latkes and wine next to my sweetie pie.

Holy crap, Internet Tough Girl! Would you push them into the sea if they didn't want to board your relocation rail car? Do you have to have a nation to make you feel better about yourself? Does an ancestral home make you a better person? Do you believe in the unmitigated sanctity of the Torah and all it's kuh-razy rules?


/Unless of course, this really was a troll, and then I must say 'you got me'...
 
2008-04-02 02:29:53 PM
RanDomino

it's not for freedoms they like the way they live. they don't like jews and christians becasue they think that anyone who does not believe in Allah should be killed
 
2008-04-02 02:31:52 PM
baraqel: We are a peaceful people, but it is unfortunate that those who are in favour of violence have the loudest voice (this goes to both sides).

And the most votes, apparently.
 
2008-04-02 02:33:49 PM
moepingaround

are you trolling, or something?
 
2008-04-02 02:34:32 PM
EsteeFlwrPot

My Israeli friends always say; "Want to end the problems in Israel? Get rid of the Jewish settlers."

I say get rid of any one who harbors hatred towards the other so the rest of us that want peaceful coexistence with our neighbours to move on.

You're absolutely disgusting.
 
2008-04-02 02:34:37 PM
Altman: DulceEtDecorumEst: blah blah blah

If there is a vast worldwide Jewish conspiracy, they left me out, cause none of them have ever contacted me! :(


They found out you spent your secret jew gold on beer. You're now out of the club until you come up with some replacement gold.
 
2008-04-02 02:35:01 PM
Gregory F. Stuart

i think snorecriminal must be trolling
 
2008-04-02 02:35:07 PM
Skeptos: Black people in South Africa during apartheid likely had a higher material standard of living than black people in places like Mozambique and Angola did.

GDP and the like are not the only meaningful measures of quality of life.


Literacy, life expectancy, education etc. It measures many things, and is far more accurate than just googling a few pictures that tug at the heart strings as your basis for quality of life. What standard would you use?

Egypt is their closest neighbor, why shouldn't that be the standard? The biggest roadblack to them doing better is the terrorists that they vote for. There is no profit for Israel to oppress them. It is nothing like south africa where they were used as labor.
 
2008-04-02 02:35:47 PM
slave2grind
I could live with Thunderdome. Conflict: resolved.
 
2008-04-02 02:35:56 PM
NickPappagiorgio: STEP 1: Just leave nuke Israel/Palestine the fark alone.

STEP 2: Peace.


FTFY
 
2008-04-02 02:37:27 PM
Relatively Obscure: Skeptos: Eh, let's just give it all back to the Phonecians and Philistines.

So the Phonecians can regroup and recolonize Carthage? I think not!

Carthago delenda est!


I say we give it back to the Romans:

"Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Attendee: Brought peace?
Reg: Oh, peace - shut up!
Reg: There is not one of us who would not gladly suffer death to rid this country of the Romans once and for all.
Dissenter: Uh, well, one.
Reg: Oh, yeah, yeah, there's one. But otherwise, we're solid. "
 
2008-04-02 02:37:40 PM
baraqel: DragonFarked [TotalFark] 2008-04-02 01:49:59 PM


Could a one state solution work without a massive change of mindset for all involved?
Is the mindset change needed on the Palestinian side that much from were you are at as opposed to government leaders?

Most Israeli and Palestinian civilians want to live Peaceful lives without fear and worry about a possible, gruesome death. I do not think a massive mindset change is required, but what is required is that the Palestinian populace be integrated as citizens with equal rights within the Israeli Nation. In turn, the Palestinians must focus and work with the Israelis to bring those to justice who would do harm to the entire Peace process.

Believe me, most of us (Palestinians) want Peace and want to live happy normal lives and give our children the ability to live as any other. We are a peaceful people, but it is unfortunate that those who are in favour of violence have the loudest voice (this goes to both sides).


Israelis and Palestinians want to be alive more than they want peace. Even if 90% of both sides want peace, that last 10% that's killing people would instantly destroy the state as defenses go back up and people start defending their own. It can't work.

Additionally, one state would destroy the "Israel-ness" Israel. The same problem is being felt in the EU. France and England, etc, feel like their culture and their history is under attack if they are swallowed up in the EU. Israel doesn't want to loose their heritage and see it as just a Palestine rather than a joint state.
 
2008-04-02 02:37:49 PM
OttoDog Quote 2008-04-02 02:31:52 PM


And the most votes, apparently.


Two parties:

1) Runs rampant with corruption and the Palestian people see no resolve
2) New Party jumps up and promises change, with some glimmer of hope.

People are sick and tired of (1) and vote for (2). People are sick of both and want a real change.

Nice effort at a troll...

-1
 
2008-04-02 02:37:51 PM
21-7-b: Gregory F. Stuart

i think snorecriminal must be trolling


In this thread, it'd be easier to count those who are NOT trolling, making random comments, or baiting those trying to have a serious discussion.
 
2008-04-02 02:38:21 PM
RanDomino:
Like the abuser...


Oh, you poor little thing you.

Who declared the 2nd Intafadah again? Why?
 
2008-04-02 02:39:49 PM
baraqel: OttoDog Quote 2008-04-02 02:31:52 PM


And the most votes, apparently.

Two parties:

1) Runs rampant with corruption and the Palestian people see no resolve
2) New Party jumps up and promises change, with some glimmer of hope.

People are sick and tired of (1) and vote for (2). People are sick of both and want a real change.

Nice effort at a troll...

-1


Not a troll. An honest observation. You admit as much.
 
2008-04-02 02:40:08 PM
Allen. The end.
Allen. The end.: funmonger: EsteeFlwrPot: I'll answer it. Id ship those "Palestinian" farkers back to Jordan, Egypt and wherever else they came from, take back our rightfully owned land and then sit under a tree and enjoy some latkes and wine next to my sweetie pie.

Holy crap, Internet Tough Girl! Would you push them into the sea if they didn't want to board your relocation rail car? Do you have to have a nation to make you feel better about yourself? Does an ancestral home make you a better person? Do you believe in the unmitigated sanctity of the Torah and all it's kuh-razy rules?

/Unless of course, this really was a troll, and then I must say 'you got me'...


Ok everyone pay attention now. I do not support the killing off any group of people. I do not support genocide, I never have and I never will. I do not think all arabs should be killed.

I do think Palestinians should go back to the countries they came from. Palestinians have no value for human life, be it their own, their families or strangers. There is no negotiating with those people, there is no way to make them happy. Hence, they shouldnt be living with or next to the people they hate.
 
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