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(New York Daily News)   Low-income drivers would get a break on the $8.00 fee for driving into Manhattan under congestion pricing plan so they can spend $20 to park. $2.00 subway ride surrenders   (nydailynews.com) divider line 150
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2008-03-31 09:42:35 AM
Congestion pricing, privatized roads, and HOT lanes: Because only the rich should be allowed to drive.
 
2008-03-31 09:44:50 AM
Ummm, where in Manhattan can you park for $20? At a red light?
 
2008-03-31 09:53:54 AM
GoDeep: Ummm, where in Manhattan can you park for $20? At a red light?

I think that's what you have to pay the squeegee guy.
 
2008-03-31 10:10:03 AM
GoDeep: where in Manhattan can you park for $20?

Go towards the rivers and away from midtown. You can find it if you look. As to the rest, mass transit is always an alternative to get into Manhattan. It may take awhile, and you may have to ... shudder ... walk a few blocks and maybe even transfer to/from a bus to connect to the subway, but you can get in without using your car. If you want to take two hours on mass transit, and drive in to save a few minutes, then suffer the consequences. Or they can do what my dad did: drive a car pool where the passengers paid him their express bus fare, which covered his tolls and parking (older women from the neighborhood who appreciated the door to door service my dad provided).


/lived in a 2 fare (bus/subway) zone in Queens growing up
//now take NJ Transit to city and then walk/subway to my final destination
///so much better (and cheaper if I'm by myself or with my son) then driving
 
2008-03-31 10:14:11 AM
damageddude: (older women from the neighborhood who appreciated the door to door service my dad provided)

i bet they did.

/wink wink nudge nudge say no more
 
2008-03-31 10:20:27 AM
burndtdan: wink wink nudge nudge say no more

Not these women - trust me on that.
 
2008-03-31 10:45:57 AM
Someone beat me to it, came in to ask where you can park for $20, cause all the garages around me are $40 a day and $700 a month.
 
2008-03-31 10:51:58 AM
Pocket Ninja: I think that's what you have to pay the squeegee guy.

Heh.

damageddude: The PATH or a bus used to do me just fine.
 
2008-03-31 11:32:09 AM
Flabby legs surrender
 
2008-03-31 11:43:33 AM
GoDeep: Ummm, where in Manhattan can you park for $20? At a red light?

I came here to say this.
 
2008-03-31 01:39:51 PM
$2?

3.25 in pittsburgh.

pussies
 
2008-03-31 01:43:56 PM
Pocket Ninja: Congestion pricing, privatized roads, and HOT lanes: Because only the rich should be allowed to drive.

Because only the rich can carpool.
 
2008-03-31 01:43:57 PM
If it wasn't for mass transit, I'd get no action at all!

/But I would have fresher underwear.
 
2008-03-31 01:46:24 PM
You people have it all wrong. Jet packs are the way.
 
2008-03-31 01:46:41 PM
Unless you live in Hoboken or Jersey City, it's gonna cost you $20 to park there, just so you can spend $2 to take the Path across the river.
 
2008-03-31 01:47:28 PM
I get groped on mass transit, so I'm really getting a kick....
 
2008-03-31 01:48:39 PM
Pocket Ninja: GoDeep: Ummm, where in Manhattan can you park for $20? At a red light?

I think that's what you have to pay the squeegee guy.


Things have changed a lot since 1992. You should visit sometime.

Congestion pricing, privatized roads, and HOT lanes$3.50 gasoline: Because only the rich should be allowed to drive. FTFY.

Seriously, though, everything is more affordable for the rich. Anything that cuts down on car traffic in Manhattan is good.
 
2008-03-31 01:48:56 PM
Haven't been following this too closely since I don't own a car, but wasn't the original plan to create this fee for just lower Manhattan? They've now changed it to the entire island?

And will some of this money go towards more subway cars? Cause it's already crowded enough.
 
2008-03-31 01:51:31 PM
BBRModitha: pussies

The extra $1.25 means you get to live in Pittsburgh. Isn't that worth $1.25?

I'd say the real pussies are the (so far conspicuously absent) Fark "Internet Tough Guy" battalion who piss and moan about congestion fees, then complain about how hard it is to find parking for their H2.

"Wahhhh, I spent more on my vehicle than most people spend on their homes, and I can't afford to pay a few extra bucks a day..."
 
2008-03-31 01:51:34 PM
The Mayor should just call it a day on this one. It's going to cost more to implement it.
 
2008-03-31 01:51:40 PM
It's not about Congestion reduction, it's about Big Brother setting up cameras all around the city.

From Rockland County, it takes a solid 2 hours to take the train in and out of the city.
 
2008-03-31 01:52:57 PM
Bullshiat. You don't live in this area and have a car if you are low income.

Take the motherfarking bus or the train. Farking morans, no wonder they are low income. Too god damned stupid to figure out the obvious.

/rant off
 
2008-03-31 01:54:36 PM
I'll never understand the big city mindset. Not only do you guys pay completely retarded amounts of money for tiny apartments, but you'll pay an equally retarded amount of money to park your car, all the while having access to a cheap and functional public transportation system. Not to mention the fact that during the times you're most likely to be driving, you can walk almost as fast as the traffic moves.
 
2008-03-31 01:54:48 PM
BBRModitha: $2?

3.25 in pittsburgh.

pussies


It can get up to $4.50 in the DC area, depending on how far you're going and when you're going there (I got that figure for Vienna - Union Station during rush hour, for any curious DC-area farkers). The sick thing is, if you figure on two people commuting in to the Hill from the just-barely-outside-the-Beltway 'burbs (which is nowhere near the edge of suburban sprawl), you're looking at $22.50 total, between two round-trip rush-hour fares and parking, which is comparable in price to getting a monthly parking space downtown and just driving. Isn't public transit supposed to be cheaper?
 
2008-03-31 01:54:56 PM
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Haven't been following this too closely since I don't own a car, but wasn't the original plan to create this fee for just lower Manhattan? They've now changed it to the entire island?

And will some of this money go towards more subway cars? Cause it's already crowded enough.


I think the plan is still for below 60th.

I take the train in anyway. I find driving in to be annoying and stressful.
 
2008-03-31 01:55:29 PM
ac982000: Someone beat me to it, came in to ask where you can park for $20, cause all the garages around me are $40 a day and $700 a month.

I only pay $550 a month to park in midtown.
 
Pav
2008-03-31 01:55:49 PM
If your coming from NJ congestion pricing is already a reality. If you pay cash its 8 bucks all the time. If you have easy pass there are some off peak perks.

I just moved from Flushing Queens where I used to come and go as I pleased. I miss those days.

The gas is cheap but they Fark you at the tolls.

/lets go mets
 
2008-03-31 01:56:45 PM
Pocket Ninja: Because only the rich should be allowed to drive.

It's not a constitutional right, you know. Despite what you may have heard.

I have the same problem with people who complain about Ticketmaster fees or scalper's prices for Hannah Montana concerts: if you're one of two thousand people interested in four of the five hundred seats available, then eventually the laws of supply&demand will take over.
 
2008-03-31 01:56:56 PM
As somebody who does not live in NYC, gets free parking, and isn't low income, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
Pav
2008-03-31 01:58:19 PM
"Ummm, where in Manhattan can you park for $20? At a red light?"


I rarely pay for parking. Most of the time if you are patient and use some subtle movements of the force you can find something on the street.

Its all about the time you need to park and where.
 
2008-03-31 01:58:21 PM
BBRModitha: $2?

3.25 in pittsburgh.

pussies


oh god dammit... i was going to clarify that, thinking it was raised recently to $2.50, but it turns out the kept the individual fares the same and raised the rates for people who buy unlimited-ride MetroCards.

From the Times: "The costs of unlimited-ride cards will rise to $81 from $76 for the 30-day card and to $25 from $24 for the 7-day card; a new 14-day card will be sold for $47."

That's a 5% increase... bastards
 
2008-03-31 01:58:55 PM
They're going to ask drivers for their pay stubs?
 
2008-03-31 01:58:59 PM
Funk Brothers: Next time, I'm going to take the train to New York City.

/I wouldn't have to take my car.
//Besides who needs a farking car in New York City?


Anyone who wants to get *out* of the city...
 
2008-03-31 01:59:27 PM
If you live in the city you'd be stupid not to use mass transit. If you can afford to drive in manhattan, and have a place to park your car - you can afford the extra $8 (cost of a pack of cigs from a news stand).
 
2008-03-31 02:01:42 PM
Pocket Ninja

Congestion pricing, privatized roads, and HOT lanes: Because only the rich should be allowed to drive.

I can see the first two, but are you suggesting rich people hire people just to sit in their cars so they can switch to the HOT lane?
 
2008-03-31 02:01:51 PM
Double fail smittard....

There is no parking in NYC at a garage for $20...try $50.

You can find parking on the street, not in midtown however. It is called 'alternate side of the street parking' and if you time it right, you can park for days for free.

so it is either free-parking or rape-parking.

Stay at home, you backwards country cousin.
 
2008-03-31 02:01:52 PM
CIOBIO: Funk Brothers: Next time, I'm going to take the train to New York City.

/I wouldn't have to take my car.
//Besides who needs a farking car in New York City?

Anyone who wants to get *out* of the city...


Isn't one of the reasons why people live in cities is so they can get around without needing to own a car?

If I lived in a place like NYC, I'd just rent a car when I wanted to get away for the weekend..
 
2008-03-31 02:05:49 PM
EbolaNYC: Bullshiat. You don't live in this area and have a car if you are low income.

Take the motherfarking bus or the train. Farking morans, no wonder they are low income. Too god damned stupid to figure out the obvious.

/rant off


There are a lot of people that live in Queens, Brooklyn, SI, and the Bronx that own cars (and in a lot of these places you need cars because it's more suburban than you might think if your view of NYC is just based on what you've seen in Manhattan). But these aren't the people driving their cars into Manhattan during the day for work. The people with money from Westchester that don't want to take the trains seem to be the loudest opponents to congestion pricing. I haven't heard many real poor people complaining about it.
 
2008-03-31 02:06:32 PM
Nightjars: CIOBIO: Funk Brothers: Next time, I'm going to take the train to New York City.

/I wouldn't have to take my car.
//Besides who needs a farking car in New York City?

Anyone who wants to get *out* of the city...

Isn't one of the reasons why people live in cities is so they can get around without needing to own a car?

If I lived in a place like NYC, I'd just rent a car when I wanted to get away for the weekend..


Agreed - but you still have to pay to park it when you rent more than 1 day.
/already pay NYC tax
//and parking (including taxes)
///don't need another one.
 
2008-03-31 02:08:23 PM
If this a charge for the whole island, will it affect that little bit of I-95 that runs on Manhattan. Because I could see that happenening to be a cash cow.
 
2008-03-31 02:08:37 PM
T.M.S.: I only pay $550 a month to park in midtown.

You "only" pay more to park your car than I pay in rent. As in rent on my apartment. That I live in.
 
2008-03-31 02:10:14 PM
just $20 to park? Where the heck are you parking? I pay $10 per hour to park in manhattan.

/takes the train wherever possible
//keeps antiseptic goop on-hand for when there are no seats.
 
2008-03-31 02:10:28 PM
LordPistachio: T.M.S.: I only pay $550 a month to park in midtown.

You "only" pay more to park your car than I pay in rent. As in rent on my apartment. That I live in.


In all fairness a manhattan apt is only slightly bigger than a parking space.
 
2008-03-31 02:11:01 PM
schnarff: BBRModitha: $2?

3.25 in pittsburgh.

pussies

It can get up to $4.50 in the DC area, depending on how far you're going and when you're going there (I got that figure for Vienna - Union Station during rush hour, for any curious DC-area farkers). The sick thing is, if you figure on two people commuting in to the Hill from the just-barely-outside-the-Beltway 'burbs (which is nowhere near the edge of suburban sprawl), you're looking at $22.50 total, between two round-trip rush-hour fares and parking, which is comparable in price to getting a monthly parking space downtown and just driving. Isn't public transit supposed to be cheaper?


It's not $2 to commute if you live in the NYS burbs of NYC, a commute from the old surburbs on Long Island serviced by the Long Island raildroad can easily cost 20 bucks round trip per a person.
 
2008-03-31 02:11:34 PM
asmodeus224: Double fail smittard....

There is no parking in NYC at a garage for $20...try $50.


If you get in before 10am a lot of garages have the early bird specials which, even in midtown, run about $20. I used to park in one at 49th and Broadway and it was $20.
 
2008-03-31 02:11:57 PM
blazemongr: It's not a constitutional right, you know. Despite what you may have heard.

Heh. I tried to explain to a guy that despite what the internet tells him, he doesn't have a right to drive (he's big on conspiracy theories). He didn't quite understand why states issue drivers licenses and felt he shouldn't be required to get one.

He's quite the moron.

That said, I would love a more extensive public transportation system here in Houston. We have one light rail and a bunch of buses. I would prefer more train routes.
 
2008-03-31 02:13:52 PM
Nightjars: If I lived in a place like NYC, I'd just rent a car when I wanted to get away for the weekend..

That's exactly what I do. During the week I commute on one of these

www.cyclerscafe.com

And during weekends on one of these

www.easyracers.com

Except if I'm traveling very far, in which case I rent a minivan so I can take my bikes along with me.

Here in Manhattan it can easily cost you $700 for monthly parking, plus $200 or so insurance. So you spend $900 just to have a car to use on a few weekends here and there.
 
2008-03-31 02:15:40 PM
schnarff: The sick thing is, if you figure on two people commuting in to the Hill from the just-barely-outside-the-Beltway 'burbs (which is nowhere near the edge of suburban sprawl), you're looking at $22.50 total, between two round-trip rush-hour fares and parking, which is comparable in price to getting a monthly parking space downtown and just driving. Isn't public transit supposed to be cheaper?

The Bay Area tops that one, sadly. I'm in the SF Bay Area. I took a trip starting on the lower peninsula to Orinda (East Bay) over the weekend. It cost about $10 one-way and the trip took about 2 hours. Round-trip would be $20 total and the same trip time. That's 4 hours traveling! I could drive the same distance in half the same and I'd even save money.

We're getting reamed here. I know the earthquake issue prevents massive underground tunneling, but some more transbay trains would be tremendously helpful. I'm insanely jealous of the NY public transportation system. You guys have it really good over there.
 
2008-03-31 02:16:52 PM
beoswulf: schnarff: BBRModitha: $2?

3.25 in pittsburgh.

pussies

It can get up to $4.50 in the DC area, depending on how far you're going and when you're going there (I got that figure for Vienna - Union Station during rush hour, for any curious DC-area farkers). The sick thing is, if you figure on two people commuting in to the Hill from the just-barely-outside-the-Beltway 'burbs (which is nowhere near the edge of suburban sprawl), you're looking at $22.50 total, between two round-trip rush-hour fares and parking, which is comparable in price to getting a monthly parking space downtown and just driving. Isn't public transit supposed to be cheaper?

It's not $2 to commute if you live in the NYS burbs of NYC, a commute from the old surburbs on Long Island serviced by the Long Island raildroad can easily cost 20 bucks round trip per a person.


Doesn't make it any better. Part of the point of mass transit should be that it's at least a little biatcheaper than driving, considering the indignities you often have to endure when you ride public transit.

/Not that traffic is better, most of the time, but at least you're guaranteed to be sitting, you have your own climate/radio control, etc., etc.
 
2008-03-31 02:17:21 PM
Arbitrator: I could drive the same distance in half the same time
 
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