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2008-03-30 11:25:45 PM
Sure, until we figure out a different fuel source.
 
2008-03-30 11:30:38 PM
They were saying the same things in '73.
 
2008-03-30 11:32:59 PM
Let's hope so.
 
2008-03-30 11:45:58 PM
Looks like a fricken El Camino.
 
2008-03-30 11:46:09 PM
I think so. As our population continues to grow, more and more people will have to turn their cars.
 
2008-03-31 12:04:42 AM
FTFA: "Pontiac's pickup truck-muscle car combination, shown this year in New York, hearkens back to the classic El Camino coupe utility vehicle."

mypalmike: Looks like a fricken El Camino.

Ya think?
 
2008-03-31 12:12:40 AM
El Camino, the spork of automobiles!
 
2008-03-31 12:22:58 AM
Charger, Challenger, Camero, El Camino, Mustang, Dodge/Chrysler putting a HEMI in any thing with four wheels... yeah, we definitely seeing the end of muscle cars...

/rolls eyes
 
2008-03-31 12:42:23 AM
I'm hoping to pick up a Challenger in a few years. Something fun for the weekend.

Daily car will still be the Cavalier, though.
 
2008-03-31 12:44:09 AM
czmilosz: Sure, until we figure out a different fuel source.

I was thinking... would an electric muscle car be as exciting as one with an internal combustion engine? I'd imagine that going from 0-60 in 4.5 seconds would be pretty weird without any sound from the motor.
 
2008-03-31 12:53:12 AM
Frank N Stein: I was thinking... would an electric muscle car be as exciting as one with an internal combustion engine? I'd imagine that going from 0-60 in 4.5 seconds would be pretty weird without any sound from the motor.

It'd take some getting used to, but almost 0 maintenance would be enough of a trade off for me to buy into it. I'd put in a nice stereo and a computer that makes the "vroom" noise when I mash the pedal.

/that Pontiac POS is an embarrassment to the muscle car designers of old.
 
2008-03-31 12:59:10 AM
Farad instead of Horsepower? Amps instead of oil pressure?
 
2008-03-31 01:01:42 AM
Let's frickin hope so.
 
2008-03-31 01:05:20 AM
There hasn't been a good looking car made since the early 70s.

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2008-03-31 01:09:31 AM
Kenny B: There hasn't been a good looking car made since the early 70s.

www.autounleashed.com

This car is *almost* great looking. Why did they have to make it look fat?
Same could be said for all new muscle cars. Fat.
 
2008-03-31 01:16:14 AM
I don't even know what the thread's about, but I figure it's a good enough place to say this: I was driving home from NH today, and it was pretty nice, low 60's or so and sunny, and I'm coming up behind this guy on the highway, and he's driving what I take to be like a late-80s LeBaron convertible with the top down. After I pass him, I look back and see that it's one of those crappy mid-80s Mustangs.

Man, if the Mustang can come back as far as it has from the point of being remotely similar to a LeBaron, then anything is possible.
 
2008-03-31 01:34:28 AM
Chrysler is trying to kill every legendary vehicle off.

First, they destroyed the Jeep brand.. now they're going to go after the 1970's muscle cars.

They must be stopped. :(
 
2008-03-31 03:29:00 AM
Kenny B: There hasn't been a good looking car made since the early 70s.

This...

members.cox.net
 
2008-03-31 05:21:37 AM
student.cob.ohio-state.edu
 
2008-03-31 05:28:24 AM
Let's hope not that thing is farkin ugly.
 
2008-03-31 05:28:24 AM
automakers are struggling to find ways to squeeze more mileage out of their biggest, least fuel-efficient vehicles
HA! We had the technology to have at least 75 Miles to the gallon back in 1960, Just the Government AND OPEC wouldn't have it.

The article summed up in 2 lines:
U.S. to OPEC: We're gonna muscle you out because you're making more money than we are! Jerks!
OPEC to U.S.: Fark Off, It's our oil!
 
2008-03-31 05:29:58 AM
Goddamnit, I hope not. It's been a dream of mine (once I get back to the states) to buy a good old American muscle car with a big V8. I don't need a high strung turbocharged 4 banger. I've driven enough of those over here.

/No replacement for displacement.
//Driving a Prius doesn't make you "green". How come no one ever considers the cost of new raw materials, tooling, and factories? Just buy an old car and maintain it.
 
2008-03-31 05:32:43 AM
No disrespect to anyone, but 95% of American cars are pieces of crap. It's sad to say but true. I don't blame the people that makes them (the assembly workers), but the engineers that come up with the cheap cars.

That Pontiac looks so farking ugly. However, I do love the challenger and the way it looks.

But why would people buy a muscle car nowadays? With gas prices being $3.25 and rising, you have to be pretty stupid to buy a sports car and or SUV.
 
2008-03-31 05:34:20 AM
Kenny B: There hasn't been a good looking car made since the early 70s.

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I actually cam in to say that "great American muscle car" has been an oxymoran since the late 60's, but I'll nod to that picture.
 
2008-03-31 05:35:27 AM
Hoe Muffin: Goddamnit, I hope not. It's been a dream of mine (once I get back to the states) to buy a good old American muscle car with a big V8. I don't need a high strung turbocharged 4 banger. I've driven enough of those over here.


And pay $50 - $60 to fill it up?
 
2008-03-31 05:41:34 AM
Electric vehicles will bring a renaissance in performance cars once ultracapacitors/silicon nanowire batteries become commonplace. Electric motors are worlds better for moving around a vehicle than combustion engines, mostly due to the fantastic torque available at 0 rpm. As an example, the motor on the Toyota Prius actually makes 295lb-ft from a dead stop, to the extent that Toyota had to add a traction management system for it, otherwise punching it from a stop would smoke the tires all day long. Control circuitry for brushless DC motors have been around for years, and as for the motors themselves, well, 95% efficient electrics are the norm for mass produced units.

Imagine this: an all-wheel-drive, 600hp car with perfect regenerative braking and traction control, four-wheel steering, that gets 300 miles of range on $9 of electricity, does 0-60 in 2.5 seconds, and seats six comfortably. This is more or less precisely the performance sedan of the future. The battery/capacitor tech is nearing production-level quality; check out EEstor, or MIT's nanowire battery projects (okay, so MIT's nowhere close to EEstor). Next-gen nanophosphate lithium-polymer batteries are available now, albeit in somewhat limited supply, but even they have the capacity and energy density to get about a third the range of the car I just described.

Add to this the fact that you get to pitch a massive amount of weight in the transmission, engine, and fuel tank (a 160hp motor weighs about 60lbs), and it only gets better.
 
2008-03-31 05:41:42 AM
The idiot that wrote that article obviously drives a prius.

Technology will continue to make more horsepower out of less displacement- the american high-displacement beasts are dying. Someone at GM has to look at what the rest of the world has know for the last 30 years:
 
2008-03-31 05:42:30 AM
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2008-03-31 05:43:24 AM
Goodnight sweet prince...

now get to work on those electric muscle cars, stat!

/those things have so much torque drag racing will never be the same
 
2008-03-31 05:44:30 AM
The best part is, it's not even American. You lot forgot how to make large cars yonks ago. Hell, the new mustang isn't technologically that far removed from the original.

This, like the rest of the Pontiac G8 range and the new Camaro are Australian. And if Ford US had half a brain, it'd start offering you lot the Falcon, the Focus RS and the new Mondeo. But they don't, so they'll be on the scrap heap within a few years.

Unless your "free market loving" government bails them out, like they did Chrysler a few years back and like they're doing now for the dumbasses that thought shiatty loans were a good idea.

/The Muscle Car will be back in 10 years
//With a 300hp electic motor
///But it the only thing American about it will be the styling
 
2008-03-31 05:48:35 AM
netwiz: Imagine this: an all-wheel-drive, 600hp car with perfect regenerative braking and traction control, four-wheel steering, that gets 300 miles of range on $9 of electricity, does 0-60 in 2.5 seconds, and seats six comfortably.

not being sarcastic - but i can imagine a whole lot - teleportation-at-will even. But how plausible is the introduction of the above technologies you listed ,in our lifetime?
 
2008-03-31 05:48:48 AM
fotojenic

That thing is awesome!!! What is it running? Even looks like original paint, hearkening back to an equally powerful Geo STORM!!!!

And holey moley you are fotogenic.
 
2008-03-31 05:49:23 AM
computer wizard

I live in Hong Kong. It already costs me a $100 bucks to fill up.
 
2008-03-31 05:49:51 AM
And another thing: Anyone that complains about how ugly the ute is is missing the entire farking point!

It's supposed to be ugly! It's an ugly car for ugly people who do ugly things. You want pretty, then go buy yourself a pink and purple VW Golf Paris.

If you want something with a V8 that still handles like a car and that you can throw a couple of bikes on the back with room to spare for the dog, you get this.

/Ugly, but well hung
 
2008-03-31 05:50:13 AM
Jeremy Clarkson loves Holdens.
 
2008-03-31 05:51:26 AM
I was at the NYC auto show on Friday and I was like a kid in a candy shop. There were a few good looking American muscle cars, but the real show-stoppers (in my opinion) were the foreign high horsepower cars and the after-market cars (Shelbys and Saleens).

There was no shortage in performance cars and big-time horsepower.
 
2008-03-31 05:52:36 AM
But how will girly men make up for their small penises without muscle cars?
 
2008-03-31 05:57:22 AM
netwiz
Add to this the fact that you get to pitch a massive amount of weight in the transmission, engine, and fuel tank (a 160hp motor weighs about 60lbs), and it only gets better.


Yeah, that is what is exciting about cars of the future, they are in theory going to be lighter. The only problem is most of the weight comes from safety requirements and crash standards. Also, people load their cars up with stuff like sound systems, Sat Nav, leather seats, automatic windows and the like. All those goodies weigh a lot.

Aren't batteries ridiculously heavy too? At least you could place them near/at the bottom of the car for a lower center of gravity.

I'd love a return to light cars (which is the most obvious solution to me), but I just don't see it happening.
 
2008-03-31 05:57:56 AM
wallytacker: But how will girly men make up for their small penises without muscle cars?

same way you do with your raging jealousy that there are people out there who make more money than you
 
2008-03-31 06:02:18 AM
wallytacker
But how will girly men make up for their small penises without muscle cars?

I resemble that comment. Well, without the muscle car bit anyways.

And I thought the Porsche Cayenne is the penis enhancer of choice.

/The 993 was the last real Porsche. Loves me some Porsche.
//Yes, I am a luddite. Not enough money to start compensating yet.
 
OZZ
2008-03-31 06:08:06 AM
Last American Muscle car?

Since when do Americans make muscle cars? These are largely Australian cars.
 
2008-03-31 06:15:05 AM
czmilosz: Sure, until we figure out a different fuel source.

www.cartoonesque.com

Gas was an environmental disaster, anyway. Now we use alternative fuels.

Renewable, environmentally friendly whale oil.
 
Ral
2008-03-31 06:23:53 AM
Kenny B: There hasn't been a good looking car made since the early 70s.

www.leftist.org

www.leftist.org

I beg to disagree.

/1992 Lexus SC300
 
2008-03-31 06:27:55 AM
The article can be summed up thusly:

"Oil Prices have caught up to consumers. Again. Boogie Boogie boogie!"

/Just wait for 10 years to buy the autos, rebuild them, and get yerself a fleet of muscle
 
2008-03-31 06:28:16 AM
computer wizard: Hoe Muffin:


And pay $50 - $60 to fill it up?


Does it really matter how big the tank is?

It isn't how much it costs to fill, it's how often.
 
2008-03-31 06:30:04 AM
nicespiral.com
my zedder (who the F stole my ornament)
 
2008-03-31 06:35:56 AM
FTA But Americans appear to be losing their appetite for sporty, retro-styled cars.

No, instead of indulging themselves like they have since the fifties, the baby boomers are now having to spend all of their pension money on medical expenses and gasoline.

/But Dennis Hopper says that they are going to redefine retirement
 
2008-03-31 06:39:55 AM
bmr68: They were saying the same things in '73.

And they were pretty much RIGHT for 30 years.
 
2008-03-31 06:40:25 AM
//Driving a Prius doesn't make you "green". How come no one ever considers the cost of new raw materials, tooling, and factories? Just buy an old car and maintain it.

THIS, a thousand times.
 
2008-03-31 06:45:10 AM
Ral: Kenny B: There hasn't been a good looking car made since the early 70s.

I beg to disagree.

/1992 Lexus SC300


They do say tastes are subjective.....
 
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