Don't Tase me, Lady!

jamspoon:
Anyone who tazers a learning disabled 11-year-old ought to be locked up
No doubt. I have witnessed a lot, but NEVER a situation in which a child needed to be tazed. This spokeswoman tries to justify it by saying this child is about her size. Who the fark cares... and don't say she didn't sustain an injury if she's still in pain. I would say the kid sustained something akin to an injury.

As for having her appear in court with her hands and ankles shackled. I'm dumbstruck. Has the US system gone totally Guantanamo?

Absolutely. We have 1% of our adult population incarcerated.

Tazers have justifiably been given a lot of attention over the past couple years. I'm getting sick of how often they are used. I've been roughed up (a little) by cops before over something that was NOT my fault. It's a long and boring story, but they cuffed me and threw me in the back of a car for an hour while they investigated. I can imagine if tazers were the hot new thing, I would have pissed/crapped my pants that day. (Does that happen?)

studebaker hoch: By "zapped" you mean "electrocuted"? Because that's what the taser does. Static on the carpet zaps you. A taser can drop a 300 lb enraged felon. You don't use them on 11-year olds.

In other news, police "plinked" a student with a .50 caliber rifle, and "tapped" several others with billy clubs.

/spin much, dumbtards?

"Electrocution" means the person dies. They used the correct terminology. Normally, I might insert an insult here aimed at your ignorance, but I'm in a good mood. Have a nice day.

MasterPython:
Electrocuted means killed by electricity dumbass. If the tubby lived she was not electrocuted.


No it doesn't.

FreeCrime: MasterPython:
Electrocuted means killed by electricity dumbass. If the tubby lived she was not electrocuted.


No it doesn't.


Oh, wait, it does. Nevermind

I was sent to a school for the retarded because the head of the local PTA decided that I was retarded (I was the biggest kid in school and I stuttered) despite the fact she had no medical degree whatsover (The fact that her bully son had tried to mess with me and paid for it dearly no doubt had something to do with it).
I spent two and a half years in Hell. And one of the things I learned was that retarded people are very strong and are often very violent and are able to play the "system" in much the same way convicts play the legal system.

electrocute |əˈlɛktrəˈkjut| |iˈlɛktrəˈkjut|
verb [ trans. ] (often be electrocuted)
injure or kill someone by electric shock : a man was electrocuted when he switched on the Christmas tree lights.

DewdropsOnTheGrass: jamspoon: Anyone who tazers a learning disabled 11-year-old ought to be locked up.

As for having her appear in court with her hands and ankles shackled. I'm dumbstruck. Has the US system gone totally Guantanamo?

Well, Guantanamo is kind of an U.S. system too.

Yes but I there's a difference between using it against foreign males with whom you are in a fundamental idealogical dispute that has resulted in a large number of deaths on both sides and one of your own children. And a particularly vulnerable one.

Mom needs a good tasering too. If you don't comply, for whatever reason, expect the situation to escalate.

/tough shiit, bet she don't act up at school again.
//if she does, zap her again.

jamspoon: Anyone who tazers a learning disabled 11-year-old ought to be locked up.

As for having her appear in court with her hands and ankles shackled. I'm dumbstruck. Has the US system gone totally Guantanamo?

Yeah, I don't see why anyone should face the consequences of their actions. They might actually learn a lesson.

Gyrfalcon: As one who knows something about the disabled and police methods, I'd just like to point out a couple of things:
1. Mentally/behaviorally disabled people in a rage are incapable of responding to verbal commands. They literally cannot hear people telling them to stop, lie down, etc. They must be physically restrained.
2. Physical restraint of such people can be harmful because unlike normal people, they will not stop fighting until they are exhausted or so overpowered they can't move. If police are unaware of or untrained for this situation, they will continue to "pile on" till the person stops moving. This has resulted in more than a few deaths of disabled people by positional asphyxia.
3. Tasers and other less-lethal methods, if used properly, as in this instance, are vastly preferable to overpowering a disabled person who will not respond to verbal commands and who will continue to fight out of fear if physically restrained.

Yes, it's regrettable that an 11-year-old girl had to be Tasered, but would you rather she had been jumped by 5 or 6 cops and wrestled to the ground until she collapsed from exhaustion? Or couldn't breathe? If she was that out of control, I can assure you, there were virtually no other options at that point.

jamspoon: Anyone who tazers a learning disabled 11-year-old ought to be locked up.

As for having her appear in court with her hands and ankles shackled. I'm dumbstruck. Has the US system gone totally Guantanamo?

See above post, jamspoon. Learning disabled doesn't mean that the child is docile or cowlike, or that they have cerebral palsy and are weak and can't move around. Depending on what the disability is when they get out of control they can be very violent, and very damaging to themselves and others. They don't have any switch in their head that tells them to moderate their strength, so they go all out with everything they have. And they often seem to have trouble with the stop switch, that tells them that their body is hurt and that they need to stop exerting the hurt part.

A normal person, unless they are on PCP or something, will not dislocate or break their own arm when someone has them pinned down on the ground, in an effort to get away. A developmentally disabled kid freaking out will- and if they aren't restrained with that level of shoulder cracking rib breaking, smothering force they will break loose and seriously hurt people. Tasering is the kindest thing to do- especially when you stop and consider how hard it is to get a child like that to follow proper treatment for something like a dislocation or a break. They will not stop and calm down just because a cop pushes them down on the ground with their arm behind their back, and they will not realize what the consequences of fighting back will be or reason to themselves that it would be better to quiet down and lie still.

OH MY GOD!!

I wish we could tazer kids at my school. I'm sad and sorry to say it, but there are violent criminals at my school that need to learn that they can't bite, punch, kick, and maim other people just because they're angry inside. They need tazers, and counseling. Neither of which we have. *sigh*

They don't make it clear as to why she needed to be restrained and then tazed. Did she sit down and refuse to speak to a teacher and become violent when grabbed at? Did she refuse to speak to the officer, or did she immediately go for the throat? Why not just call her parents and have them come pick her up? Did they ask her to sit quietly and not disturb anyone or did they exacerbate the situation by trying to force the child to engage them?

Jamspoon:
Yes but I there's a difference between using it against foreign males with whom you are in a fundamental idealogical dispute that has resulted in a large number of deaths on both sides and one of your own children. And a particularly vulnerable one.

I agree with you that the child is vulnerable. But what do you do when a 5'5" person is dead set on punching and shoving and spitting on smaller children, their teacher, and a police officer during class?

At my school, we just let them get away with it. And the kid doesn't learn, and the other students and the teacher are afraid, and the other students don't learn.

There has to be -some- kind of consequences, and there has to be some kind of psychological help for kids like this. Also, they must be safely removed from the classroom environment.

Security guard was right in her actions.

I can't believe the number of pussies who have logged into fark and made comments. Everyone saying it's such a bad thing that Cloverfield got tased is just plain stupid. You are the reason there are precious little snowflakes.

I have a friend who has a kid with Asperger's

When he first told me about it, I heard AssBurgers.

/Asperger's //way more funny at any rate

BHK: They don't make it clear as to why she needed to be restrained and then tazed. Did she sit down and refuse to speak to a teacher and become violent when grabbed at? Did she refuse to speak to the officer, or did she immediately go for the throat? Why not just call her parents and have them come pick her up? Did they ask her to sit quietly and not disturb anyone or did they exacerbate the situation by trying to force the child to engage them?


Yes... SO THIS.
"did they exacerbate the situation by trying to force the child to engage them?"


Poor child attacked another child and they have the nerve to try to engage her?...... farkING EXACERBATERS!


/judging by the stupidity of your post I guess I should inform you this is sarcasm so as not to confuse you further

Oh my child has a disability and doesn't understand what they did. That is garbage. If a child is in school with other children they know what they are doing, they may have trouble with impulse control all depending on what their disability is. But if they can learn at all then they can learn right from wrong.

MasterPython: Electrocuted means killed by electricity dumbass. If the tubby lived she was not electrocuted.

Then what was she?

strathmeyer:
Then what was she?
I believe this was already covered earlier in the thread.
She is a snow beast.

TFA: "She doesn't know what's going on," the mother said.


Well a few more zaps from a taser and she'll figure it out.

Kymry: Jamspoon:
Yes but I there's a difference between using it against foreign males with whom you are in a fundamental idealogical dispute that has resulted in a large number of deaths on both sides and one of your own children. And a particularly vulnerable one.

I agree with you that the child is vulnerable. But what do you do when a 5'5" person is dead set on punching and shoving and spitting on smaller children, their teacher, and a police officer during class?

At my school, we just let them get away with it. And the kid doesn't learn, and the other students and the teacher are afraid, and the other students don't learn.

There has to be -some- kind of consequences, and there has to be some kind of psychological help for kids like this. Also, they must be safely removed from the classroom environment.

Security guard was right in her actions.

How can a tazer be a valid consequence for an 11-year-old. It's the modern sanitised equivalent of a whip.

that's unbelievable. how come an idiot who cannot manage an 11 year old kid can get a job with the police and be allowed to carry weaponry?

I believe the question of "who will police the police?" is changing to "who will baby-sit the police?"

If your kid is an asshat because you never took the time to teach them how to act, just get them diagnosed with something! ADHD is a good one. Many doctors will slap that lable on a kid after one appointment. Take your doctor's note to the school and request testing, and by federal law, they will be evaluated. Once they get an IEP, your troubles are over! No more annoying calls from the school when your angel doesn't play by the rules. They no longer have too!

Lordmontu

Normally, I might insert an insult here aimed at your ignorance, but I'm in a good mood.

That's all right, I might have responded with a phrase that ends with the words "...and the horse you rode in on", but I won't.

Have a nice day.

Way ahead of you ;)

I honestly don't know where this "retard strength" myth comes from. They are human beings, not super powered mutant baboons that "hulk out" at random.

My developmentally challenged younger brother enjoyed the reputation for having "super strength" when he went on one of his little tantrums, too. I'm 135 lbs. soaking wet with no special training and I never once had any difficulty taking the little spaz to the ground and restraining him without resorting to a TAZER (they didn't exist in those days) or resulting in any physical injury to either of us.

/"Oh, dear god in Heaven! He threw a CHAIR!!! There's no stopping him!

Einsamvarg:
My developmentally challenged younger brother enjoyed the reputation for having "super strength" when he went on one of his little tantrums, too. I'm 135 lbs. soaking wet with no special training and I never once had any difficulty taking the little spaz to the ground and restraining him without resorting to a TAZER (they didn't exist in those days) or resulting in any physical injury to either of us.

On the force continuum, use of a tazer is less lethal than physical restraints. Believe it or not, but it is not uncommon for someone being restrained by one or more police officers to end up dead due to the restraint. This is because the safety of the officer is considered more important than the safety of the detainee. Tazers are an excellent less-than-lethal tool for dealing with aggressive and non-compliant individuals. And I'm not a cop, nor do I like cops for the most part. But when all else fails, I'd rather they taze this "kid" than put her in a restraint hold that ends her life.

And for the record, I used to work as a bouncer in Austin, and 5'5" / 160lbs is enough to do some damage to another individual. And I was 6'3" / 270 at the time. I was actually more worried about the smaller guys than the large ones (I had to bounce/help bounce more than a couple UT football players that made me look tiny).

And lastly, fark that kid. If she doesn't know not to push kids into traffic or hit a sheriff's deputy then she doesn't need to be with non-crazy kids. I've got 5 kids of my own, and if any of them ever have the temerity to take a swing at a cop, then they deserve the tazering they get.

The outrage over tasering is such bullshiat. If cops had to physically wrestle people to the ground, it would mean A. more officers need to be involved, B. more chance of injury to the officers, C. More chance of injury to the suspect. A taser hurts like hell then it stops. There are a few medical complications, but compared to the medical complications caused by kicking and fighting as 4 men drag you to the ground? Minimal.

The taser should not be viewed as a last resort of any kind. It shouldn't be the first thing done, but IIRC it should be used before any kind of physical contact (grabbing or the baton). It's simply less likely to cause longterm harm to anyone involved.

Einsamvarg: I honestly don't know where this "retard strength" myth comes from. They are human beings, not super powered mutant baboons that "hulk out" at random.

My developmentally challenged younger brother enjoyed the reputation for having "super strength" when he went on one of his little tantrums, too. I'm 135 lbs. soaking wet with no special training and I never once had any difficulty taking the little spaz to the ground and restraining him without resorting to a TAZER (they didn't exist in those days) or resulting in any physical injury to either of us.

/"Oh, dear god in Heaven! He threw a CHAIR!!! There's no stopping him!

There was a girl with Downs in my second grade class. She was at least a head taller than anyone else. She could grab us and pick us up like rag dolls. And she did, crushing and strangling me, on several occasions. Now, she could have been older, but I really remember her being the same age. That's about my only experience other than being stuck with two special ed kids when I took Cooking in high school. No violence there, just had to keep reminding them how many teaspoons were in a tablespoon.

Also, it's not a lie that people who lose their temper are stronger, and with less intelligence and impulse control you are more likely to lose it.

GodBlessTexas I understand your position, and agree with it for the most part (especially the part of being more concerned about the smaller guys in an aggressive incident).

My comment was specifically aimed at the above posters who think "retard strength" is a funny myth to perpetuate. The concept that a person who's got cognitive problems has super strength or doesn't feel pain or any of the frequently spouted crap one hears doesn't do anyone any services. I'm an educator these days, and my experience is that people with chromosomal imbalances or learning disabilities (or any other condition one would use to label a person as "retarded") are more responsive during an aggressive incident than are high school athletes who have dabbled in steroid use.

Yes, four big guys dogpiling a resistant subject can result in death due to chest compression. I have a childhood acquaintance who is serving a prison sentence for manslaughter because he thought choke holds were a nifty thing. I'm very aware of these issues. Fortunately, choke holds are not the only way to restrain an individual.

I'm also aware that there is a suspiciously high number of deaths attributed to TASER-induced cardiac arrhythmias (and those deaths can occur hours after the TASER-ing). This is especially dangerous since heart disease is not immediately apparent to an observer, and many people who have it aren't aware of it themselves.

So, like you, I'm not very sympathetic to the kid in this particular situation. Nor am I particularly sympathetic to the cop (Don't want to be swung at occasionally? Find a different line of work). I don't think there's anything sacrosanct about any profession. This incident looks to me like a progressive escalation by all parties involved, but then, I wasn't there (thankfully).

puffy999: THE OFFICER WHO WAS ATTACKED WAS A WOMAN, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO JUST WANT TO TALK WITHOUT ACTUALLY READING

Yeah, I know
Still part of being a cop is to be able physically restrain and control people.
Just like part of being a fireman is being able to carry a person while wearing all your fire fighting gear.

If your not capable of doing this, you have no business being in the profession

RemyDuron: ...Also, it's not a lie that people who lose their temper are stronger, and with less intelligence and impulse control you are more likely to lose it.

As I indicated to GodBlessTexas, if it's likelihood to lose your temper and poor impulse control that's the calculus here, I'd rather spend my days locked in a room with 20 folk with Down's Syndrome than 1 jock 'roid monkey.

The real reason that cops are tasering everyone and not risking a physical confrontation is these days you have no idea who is HIV positive and who isn't

Jesus Christ, what a fatass.

Half these posts are like reading comments on Dante's inferno written by people who only once had a conversation with someone who read the Cliff's Notes. TFA says both officer and student were female.

/you're welcome

Pacfanweb: A cop can't subdue a freaking 11-year-old without a taser?

You've seen how normal 11 year olds act, right?

Now supersize that normal 11 year old to 170 pounds, and throw in retard strength for good measure.

/fark that shiat, kill it with fire.

FuturePastNow: If you are the mother of a 170-pound, learning-disabled 11 year old, perhaps you deserve a good tasering.

She's probably black, too.

Big, Dumb, and Stupid for the next generation. Is this girl a freaking Skrull or something?

My ex-girlfriend had an adopted little brother who was crazy, they kept trying to put him back into school, but he threatened and hit people, and stole things. They had him drugged to the gills, and it made no difference. This kids scare the crap out of me.

"...That was all that [she] did. [She] did not mean to hit her. [She] did not punch her ... If [she] was a fighter, [she] would've been fighting with her brothers and sisters that are older at home," her mother said.

You know, at The Daily Gleaner in Kingston, Jamaica, they quote people who speak proper English, the way they speak. And when they quote people who speak like a bunch of uneducated, ignorant farkwads ("He be wicked man, wicked. He sexing up the cow!"), they quote them the way that they speak...

LOGICAL_PSYCHO: Dear God... I pity your kids if you ever have any.
You are the very type on person that causes these problems.
You need to teach your child respect before it gets that bad.
If you have done your job, there is no reason to call the cops or you.

Not necessarily. Some of the nicest people I know have brats from hell. Some kids just have more issues than Reader's Digest. It's just how it goes sometimes. The parent's influence (or lack thereof) isn't the end all be all. It helps a lot, but it isn't the only factor. Case in point, a cousin of mine grew up around pills and beer and drugs. Did she grow up doing those things? No. It was because of common sense. All kids are capable of coming sense, even fat retarded overgrown biatches.

Who doesn't taser children? I walk through the mall just tasering the little bastards all the time.

Zaladreyn: mikefinch: My question is why wasn't the parent of this child called to the school BEFORE the police officer?

The parent wasn't called first, because the student was getting violent, and the officer was already on site. I would have called the officer from the other side of the building too, instead of having to wait 20 minutes for her mother with a violent child who has 70 pounds and 5 inches on me.

THIS

When the beast child is shoving YOUR child or someone else's child in front of oncoming traffic, would you really find it prudent to wait for a call to be made to mom, and then for mom to finally arrive??

The ambulance to take your kid to the ER would get there before the beast mom would be able to make an appearance.

Video of the fraudulent "11-year-old" (actually a 23-year-old woman) with her scam-artist mother. The "girl" is in black with the "Tee-Tee" hairdoo.

They should get rid of tasers alltogether and just shoot these people. It was save us time and money in the long run.

This should have the Florida tag on it since it happened in central Florida.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=StudentTaserFolo_0328 20081049&cat=Local&title=Tasered%20Student%20Released (pops)

(Forgot to include the link in the last post.)


Again, a reminder, the man on the far left of this image is the mother's legal defender. The woman in white is the claimed "mother". The woman next to her in black is probably the prosecutor, and the 23-year-old woman in black on the far right is the claimed "11-year-old" retard.

Gecko Gingrich: Aspergers

Umm, Aspergers only affects guys. Plus, it can be determined with a genetic test.

her mother said the incident must be a mistake???? raising your daughter to be a 500 pound wookie is a farking mistake!! someone please call child services........

They have police officers in schools????