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2008-03-29 05:11:54 PM  
Mind Blender: Holy shiat, I'm AMAZED how many pro-hunting opinions have popped up here---given the subby's OBVIOUS troll headline. Well done Farkers!


"I have no problem whatsoever with vegetarians. I eat them almost exclusively."---T. Nugent

/likes to hunt and fish
//loves tasty deer, turkeys, panfish
///not quite as batshiat right-wing as Ted is
////but loves them slashies gooodness


I bet you didn't think I'd weigh in in defense of your obvious rights.
 
2008-03-29 05:12:50 PM  
I must be a 1%er.

I love animals, but have no special beef with hunters or carnivores. I dislike a lot of humans and prefer many non-human animals (on a case by case basis) to humans I meet, although many humans are nifty.

If all hunters were in it for the intelligent, honorable part of the hunt and the chase, that would make me like people in general more.
 
2008-03-29 05:14:29 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: If all hunters were in it for the intelligent, honorable part of the hunt and the chase, that would make me like people in general more.

They're human. There is no all.
 
2008-03-29 05:15:11 PM  
I shoot deer because the government won't let me hunt lawyers.
 
2008-03-29 05:15:38 PM  
Doggie McNugget: Eat less cows, more deer.

Cows are no fun to stalk. Plus, they have eyes that make you sad.
 
2008-03-29 05:15:38 PM  
Sounds like Subby's a pussy.
 
2008-03-29 05:15:58 PM  
Swede: I shoot deer because the government won't let me hunt lawyers.

I hunt deer because Timothy Treadwell is already dead.
 
2008-03-29 05:16:27 PM  
Meat is murder. Tasty, tasty murder
 
2008-03-29 05:16:55 PM  
paygun: Swede: I shoot deer because the government won't let me hunt lawyers.

I hunt deer because Timothy Treadwell is already dead.


I hunt deer because one of those vicious bastards ate my dad.
 
2008-03-29 05:16:58 PM  
I love how some people think only humans kill things for fun. I don't hunt or anything, but I watch plenty of footage of Orca's playing with a seal carcass and not eating it. I've seen my cat kill a mouse or bird and not eat it. The cats and dogs of all these PETA crybabies kill thousands of animals a year. Those cute polar bears looove to devour cute baby seals. Natural predators eat babies all the time because they are easier to kill than full sized prey. Don't pretend that nature is pure and good like a Disney film.
 
2008-03-29 05:17:24 PM  
re-elect_jimmy_carter: blick: innocent? i don't think so subby.
deer are vermin, they breed like rats, carry lyme disease, ruin the local flora, are stupid as bags of hammers, and are a highway menace.
on the other hand they're great in chili.

wait, if they carry diseases, wont your chili also carry diseases?

//dragging those damned things off the road is a b][tch!


nope, not in this case. deer are loaded with ticks which are a vector for lyme disease. they don't carry the disease themselves.
and if you're worried about diseases i'd worry more about prions which are passed on by commercial feed companies feeding ground up diseased cattle to feed. prions cause mad cow and are even quite resistant to sterilization by autoclave.
 
2008-03-29 05:17:59 PM  
The Rest Are Bait: You had to remind me that walleye season doesn't open till May 1st didn't you. The ice is long gone and the temps are getting closer to go time but I can't eat any of them.

/walleye - best tasting freshwater fish - a little flour, butter and oil is all you need for tasty goodness.


I hear ya there brother, but insert pike in place of walleye for me... Unfortunately we're still frozen over here.
 
2008-03-29 05:18:42 PM  
paygun: Swede: I shoot deer because the government won't let me hunt lawyers.

I hunt deer because Timothy Treadwell is already dead.


Now there was a prize dumbass.
 
2008-03-29 05:18:55 PM  
Marla Singer's Laundry: I hunt deer because one of those vicious bastards ate my dad.

Whiskey killed my father, so now I kill every bottle I find.
 
2008-03-29 05:19:42 PM  
I'd probably like the killing, not so much the gutting.

/Firmly believes that my steak comes from a magic box in the store-room of Albertsons.
 
2008-03-29 05:19:53 PM  
I blame a lot of this on the anti-gun terrorists that are infesting America. California has banned lead ammo in much of the state because a condor *might* eat it and get sick. People buying mcmansions near parks are trying to get local rod & gun clubs shut down because they claim the gun clubs are 'too noisy.'

Oregon is getting too many damn gun-scared Californians. Democrats calling certain rifles 'sniper rifles' so they can try to get them banned, etc.

I hate the anti-gun culture we have. :| Oh, and gas prices. And the costs of ammo have gone up thanks to this damn war.
 
2008-03-29 05:22:02 PM  
Babbs: My job revolves around people who hunt. Hunters have been "environmentalists" before it became the fad. I have also seen these "cruel, heartless animal killers" cry over the loss of a beloved pet. Most of these guys have just as much respect for wildlife and animals as vegans or PETA does.

They're environmentalists in the sense that (old-school definition) nothing goes to waste - at least the good hunters and fishers do.
 
2008-03-29 05:22:17 PM  
evilstein: I blame a lot of this on the anti-gun terrorists that are infesting America.

Oh, come off it.
 
2008-03-29 05:22:19 PM  
"CHARLESTON -- A significant drop in the number of hunters in West Virginia has left multimillion dollar holes in the state's budget and one lawmaker thinks he has the solution: allow children to receive hunter training in school.

Children would be instructed in everything from survival skills to gun safety, but the guns would either have dummy ammunition or be disabled in some way. Sen. Billy Wayne Bailey, who introduced the bill, doesn't envision West Virginia's middle-schoolers firing real guns during class time."

THis is a good idea. Too bad liberal anti-gun pussies around the country are against it.

Too many clueless idiots think "hunter" equals "dumb redneck"
 
2008-03-29 05:22:34 PM  
Destruction of habitat is the biggest danger to wild species. Hunters are the only constituency with a vested interest in protecting those habitats. The man with a rifle is the best friend of not just the game species but all the species that share the lakes, woods and other lands of those species.
Enlightened self interest is far more reliable then ignorant self righteousness.
 
2008-03-29 05:23:08 PM  
RicosRoughnecks: I love how some people think only humans kill things for fun.

Oy. I had a big debate about this with a stupid hippy-type I knew. One of those who cares about the environment so much that they don't do a damn thing about it, you know the sort (she lived in Las Vegas and had a swarm of kids, even). She claimed that humans were the only animal that killed members of its own species.

She got really, really mad at me when I noted that lions often kill the cubs of other lions, that chimps have been known to turn on each other, and on, and on.

What a maroon.
 
2008-03-29 05:25:00 PM  
The_Sponge

I love sushi, but I also love hiking into the mountains of Eastern Washington, catching a trout, and frying it up with some cornmeal and butter.

I would agree with you.

My point is that Back In The Olden Days, there was a lot of open land and not as many people. It was more common to have access to the great outdoors.

Today, we're mostly citified, the good land is all protected in parks, the rest is farmed or ranched or fenced in some way, and it just isn't as accessable as it once was.

People are being brought up in totally artificially created subdivisions instead of in natural settings, and if they want to see a forest they have to drive half a day to get there anymore, and when they get there all they can do is look an not touch anything.

The Great American Outdoor Experience is mostly a thing of the past.
 
2008-03-29 05:26:33 PM  
well, it figures, though I actually hadn't expected the hard core hunting community to be affected much.

I don't hunt, but I understand the need for hunters and don't mind them unless they get all psychopathic about it -- like hunting animals to extinction just for bragging rights and a wall mount.

I like to fish, or used to. Unfortunately, changes in the area pretty well wiped out my favorite fishing spots, over fishing by both commercial and sportsmen wiped out the major populations and of those that are left, few manage to make it to that good, big size you like to catch.

Even Mullet -- a 'garbage' fish, which pretty well filled the river and was used not only as a tasty food but for bait -- are now under catch limits.

Mainly, you get catfish when you go fishing now.

The summer is hotter than it used to be and I can't take the heat anymore. Winters are basically just a cooler version of summer with the occasional really cold night. There's so many restrictions now that even if you hop in a boat and do some night fishing, chances are the Water Patrol might stop you to see if you've kept anything illegal or out of season or too small and if you have a license -- or if you're drinking or doing drugs.

Then, you have to be careful where you fish because the shoreline is so developed that folks might spot your boat too near their properties or miniature ocean liners and call the cops.

There's a public fisherman's walk under one of the new bridges, but so many folks fish there that the catch is limited. Not to mention that too often you wind up with loud and obnoxious groups nearby or some with their little rug rats running around, making noise and getting in the way.

The solitary spots I used to fish from were sheltered by trees and brush from the sun and high winds. Even with a major bridge nearby, it was peaceful, uncluttered and nice. Being a lazy fisherman, I'd throw out a couple of lines, secure the poles and prowl the shore for anything interesting or just to enjoy the breeze and the lapping of the wavelets.

With my small boat, I'd head to some of the unspoiled islands and spend the day there, fishing, exploring and, when I got too hot, wading out into deeper water and sitting down in a chair, with just my rod and reel, immersed up to my belt. Sometimes, I'd take the boat and anchor it in different spots, trying for that 'hole' where the big ones gathered.

I even started rigging my line with two or three hooks in a row and got all excited when I caught three fish at once -- small ones but combined, they felt like a whale.

It was even fun when I'd cast out and get bite after bite and reel in small fish -- which I'd throw back.

At times, Pelicans would settle about me in a mass and snatch at anything I brought in, standing right beside and around me. Often, I'd take the small fish and toss it to them.

It was quiet. The scent of salty water was nice along with the lapping of the waves, the cooling breeze and the sound of the leafs rustling in the trees. Now and then, I'd get the pleasant scent of a charcoal or wood fire going in a BBQ as some fisherman down the way got ready for lunch or a family out for the day with pleasantly quiet kids grilled hot-dogs and hamburgers.

I could fish and think and dream and explore. I could enjoy periods of delicious solitude. I could walk the small sandy shores of the islands and feel like Robinson Crusoe and occasionally find a small treasure, like a big net float, pieces of sea glass, colorful shells or a barnacle encrusted, sand worn bottle.

Even if I didn't catch much, I went home tired, relaxed, often a bit sunburned and refreshed.

That's all gone now.

My spots have been plowed under for homes, parks, exercise tracks and tennis courts. Far too many people have visited 'my' islands and trashed them, cutting down the trees, leaving garbage behind and piles of toilet paper and feces. Other spots are now too crowded and noisy, with drunks and brats and booming rap music blasted out of stereo systems and squalling infants.

My little boat rots in my yard. One of the last times I went out, the traffic on the river nearly swamped me. If the big, massive cabin cruisers weren't growling along, throwing out a big wake, then came the guys in speed boats and the kids on skidoo's.

Walking along the shore and exploring gets me mainly beer cans, discarded tackle, batteries and junk. In some spots, the noise of traffic is too high and in others, the noise of folks shatters the peace. In a few places, graffiti covers the cement buttresses.

Commercial crabbers, though guided by strict laws, have taken so many crabs that you can't find those great, big, heavy suckers anymore. Tourists and new comers have taken so many clams that most of the beds are stripped. Developers dredged out the best oyster beds so their over priced home owners could get their big arsed boats to the docks behind their homes.

It's best not to camp over night on the islands alone anymore. Crime has reached them.

The river glitters with rainbow trails all across it, the remains of the oily exhaust of outboard motors and it often reeks of gas and oil.

A couple of the islands have pavilions on them, which were excellent to shelter under during hot days, rains or cold times. Most had cement fire pits where you could build a warming fire and cook over or just make coffee or just to enjoy the glow. Most of the time, they were empty. Those who had been there took care to clean up after themselves.

Most are trashed or over used now. One, long lasting, carefully and solidly built cement fire pit was deliberately destroyed. Some of the pavilions tin roofs have holes punched through them.

To make things even better, you need to know when the river is polluted so as not to take shell fish and, at times, when it's best not to take any fish. If using a shallow draft boat like mine, you have to be careful going in the shallows because of all the darn crab trap buoys scattered about the area.

Walking barefoot in the sand in the shallows off an island can get your foot sliced up by broken glass.

Kids in speedboats thought it was funny to blast by me with my small boat and little kicker and nearly swamp my arse.

I can't even go surf fishing anymore because of the development, the other surf fishermen, the crime, the new restrictions and the early beach combers.

So, my rods gather dust in the utility room and my boat sinks into the lawn. It's not worth the aggravation to go fishing out there anymore.

I had a tiny, little island out in the river, just yards big, held in place by a couple of big Australian Pine Trees with a small, shallow, sandy cove behind it. I've not been back there in years. It's probably been trashed by now also or some moron cut the trees down and it washed away.

There used to be a great, old, low to the water wooden bridge that connected the mainland to the barrier island a few miles north. It had a bridge tender and a turnstile in the center. It was the best shrimping spot around during the winter. Scores of us would show up to freeze our butts off and hang off the bridge railings at night with dip nets to scoop up shrimp attracted to our gas lights.

When the occasional car passed, us kids jumped up on the rails because the board road bounced and rattled. Only one car could use the bridge at a time.

Among us shrimpers, there were no squabbles or fights and even the occasional boozer was a happy drunk.

They tore the bridge down and installed a modern, cement high rise. They assured us that the shrimping would return to normal after a year or so.

That was in the 60s.

The shrimp never returned in the amounts they used to be in.

Folks using the 'new' picnic and boat launching facilities often squabble and fight. The cops, for a time, had to make regular patrols down there. The county installed porta-toilets, for obvious reasons, but it soon became evident that folks had problems hitting the holes in the things.

When storms damaged the big, shady Australian Pine Trees that hold the islands -- which lengths of the bridge cross -- the county wisely cut them down and didn't replace any, so now there's little shade and erosion.

Ya. It makes you really want to go fishing from there.
 
2008-03-29 05:29:13 PM  
I'm gonna have to call b.s. on this, at least in Colorado-a state for probably good reason the article didn't mention (don't know about the thread, I just woke up from a nap). Between my other half and I, we know 20-25 people easily in the area who fish and/or hunt. Heck, I just started up a Yahoo group for lady anglers since I found so many of them at my job. Colo. Dept of Fish and Wildlife loves all of us since we spend money on fishing licenses and park passes every year.

/Reel Gal, ftw
//doesn't hunt, but has in-laws who do
 
2008-03-29 05:30:11 PM  
Firetini: karmaceutical: trolling isn't really the same as fishing, submitter.

If you can justify that sitting on a lawn chair while drinking beer and holding a rod isn't fishing, then I suggest you remove the notion that trolling isn't fishing.


I don't find any technique that involves sitting around waiting for something to bite your lure to be "fishing." Just my opinion. That may change when my joints give up and I can't wade or paddle anymore... but that is a ways off.
 
2008-03-29 05:31:21 PM  
Rik01: &c. &c. &c.
It sounds like the beginning of a book whose central theme is disillusion. Right to feel that way, though - the charm of fishing just seems to have passed.
 
2008-03-29 05:31:41 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: If all hunters were in it for the intelligent, honorable part of the hunt and the chase, that would make me like people in general more.

MOST of them are.
 
2008-03-29 05:32:05 PM  
Psychotropic: Deer are nothing but big tasty rats. Mild winters, encroaching civilization, and lack of natural predators has caused overpopulation of deer in many areas.

The overpopulation has more to do with the turning of once open woodlands into broken farming belts. Whitetail Deer thrive in areas with fields interspersed between stands of young woods. As browsers, the edges between natural woods and open areas are their natural feeding grounds. Plus, they chow down on crops.

When I used to hunt, we would cut open the stomach to see which of the neighbors' crops they were eating ... "hmmm ... there's Mr. Jones's corn, Miss Mary's sorghum, and whoa, there's a bit of crazy John's weed crop ..."

Agree with you in principal, just not the facts ...
 
2008-03-29 05:32:05 PM  
I hunt trigonometry.

i242.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-29 05:32:15 PM  
Eating is murder.

No way around it, except to kill yourself.
 
2008-03-29 05:32:39 PM  
BlippityBleep: Edward Abbey is an author that has written Desert Solitaire and The Monkey Wrench Gang. He believes that sabatoging irresponsible industries to save the natural world is an obligation for people.

i235.photobucket.com
Nod approvingly
 
2008-03-29 05:32:45 PM  
Doggie McNugget Especially considering that domesticated livestock like cows can really screw up the local environment.... Eat less cows, more deer.

THIS.

And I'm also moving back east this year, also just got a Jeep (94 Wrangler, love it) and would love to know some decent hunting spots ... let me know if you hear of any please!!

As for the rest of this thread - I shop @ the supermarket and the occasional fast-food place, but I also hunt or fish when I can ... same as I have a vegetable garden. I think it's important to know where your food comes from and to have a hand in killing/preparing it, otherwise you're just contributing the the raising and slaughter of animals without taking any moral responsibility for their deaths. You should know how to take care of yourself under any circumstance, you should know how much work goes into growing the fruit you're eating or the ingredients of any of your food, otherwise why are you alive? Eating processed crap out of vending machines/taco bell or even the local supermarket isn't living, it's merely consuming calories.
 
2008-03-29 05:34:29 PM  
colovion: Interestingly enough the wife and I just ate some of the fish I caught last summer. A few pike and bass fillets, some Drakes and some tartar sauce and we were good to go! Except for the damn Y-bones in the pike... they're even a pain in the ass AFTER you have them on the plate! Toothy, slimy lure-thieving bastards, but good eatin'!

I do love venison, but I tend to have to rely on others for it unfortunately.


You can cut out the y-bones in pike so they're pretty much non-existent, I'd link you but I'm being way to lazy right now.
 
2008-03-29 05:34:30 PM  
karmaceutical: I don't find any technique that involves sitting around waiting for something to bite your lure to be "fishing." Just my opinion. That may change when my joints give up and I can't wade or paddle anymore... but that is a ways off.

How else would you do it while Marlin fishing? You can't say you're going to cast out and reel back in.
 
2008-03-29 05:35:37 PM  
I'm underfunded by 1.5 Million and on the endagered species list so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Now accepting funding and my own 100 acre habitat.
 
2008-03-29 05:36:30 PM  
enkindle: I don't like hunting. Guns kinda scare me. I do love to go fishing, though! Maybe the people who want to go just can't find anyone to go with them. That's my problem.

Wish I could help you out, I'm always looking for a fishing partner but you're just to damn far away unfortunately.
 
2008-03-29 05:38:13 PM  
platts42: I have no problems if you hunt and eat the food (or give it me), but don't mask your blood lust behind population control. We've killed off the apex predators so we could build a Suburbia we didn't need. Things will eventually balance out.

Don't say you kill to eat and then pose proudly for a photo with your kill. You don't pose with an apple you pick from a tree.

Why hang the horns and antlers? You didn't outsmart a beast by sitting in tree doused with the urine of a female in heat.

If you just admit you like the killing, I'm ok with that. Stop making excuses and cook me that steak.


If YOU would just admit you're too much of a pussy to Kill Your Own Dinner & UNDERSTAND that humans are Carnivores (Omnivores) with a perfectly Natural Human BloodLust, I wouldn't mind the Pot Calling the Kettle Hipocrite.
I am with funmonger, you disneyland fairytale animal lovers need to watch some killing - the bullet is more humane than your Beautiful, Innocent wolf, puma, or dog hunt.
 
2008-03-29 05:38:42 PM  
evilstein: Too many clueless idiots think "hunter" equals "dumb redneck"

Not necessarily idiots, but certainly puritan asswipes. Tell these same people that sex is dirty and shameful and they'd call you a fundie. When they do the same thing in regards to hunting then we're supposed to believe it's because they're more civilized. They're not, they're just puritanical assholes who are ashamed of being human.

My favorite is, "you don't *need* to hunt". No I don't. You don't need to have sex either, stupid. In fact, you idiots farking all the time and making more humans is killing more animals by way of depleting habitat than my hunting could ever hope to. But because you're human you have an instinct to do it. Just like hunting.
 
2008-03-29 05:39:38 PM  
Rik01: well, it figures, though I actually hadn't expected the hard core hunting community to be affected much.

I don't hunt, but I understand the need for hunters and don't mind them unless they get all psychopathic about it -- like hunting animals to extinction just for bragging rights and a wall mount.

I like to fish, or used to. Unfortunately, changes in the area pretty well wiped out my favorite fishing spots, over fishing by both commercial and sportsmen wiped out the major populations and of those that are left, few manage to make it to that good, big size you like to catch.

Even Mullet -- a 'garbage' fish, which pretty well filled the river and was used not only as a tasty food but for bait -- are now under catch limits.

Mainly, you get catfish when you go fishing now.

The summer is hotter than it used to be and I can't take the heat anymore. Winters are basically just a cooler version of summer with the occasional really cold night. There's so many restrictions now that even if you hop in a boat and do some night fishing, chances are the Water Patrol might stop you to see if you've kept anything illegal or out of season or too small and if you have a license -- or if you're drinking or doing drugs.

Then, you have to be careful where you fish because the shoreline is so developed that folks might spot your boat too near their properties or miniature ocean liners and call the cops.

There's a public fisherman's walk under one of the new bridges, but so many folks fish there that the catch is limited. Not to mention that too often you wind up with loud and obnoxious groups nearby or some with their little rug rats running around, making noise and getting in the way.

The solitary spots I used to fish from were sheltered by trees and brush from the sun and high winds. Even with a major bridge nearby, it was peaceful, uncluttered and nice. Being a lazy fisherman, I'd throw out a couple of lines, secure the poles and prowl the shore for anything interesting or just to enjoy the breeze and the lapping of the wavelets.

With my small boat, I'd head to some of the unspoiled islands and spend the day there, fishing, exploring and, when I got too hot, wading out into deeper water and sitting down in a chair, with just my rod and reel, immersed up to my belt. Sometimes, I'd take the boat and anchor it in different spots, trying for that 'hole' where the big ones gathered.

I even started rigging my line with two or three hooks in a row and got all excited when I caught three fish at once -- small ones but combined, they felt like a whale.

It was even fun when I'd cast out and get bite after bite and reel in small fish -- which I'd throw back.

At times, Pelicans would settle about me in a mass and snatch at anything I brought in, standing right beside and around me. Often, I'd take the small fish and toss it to them.

It was quiet. The scent of salty water was nice along with the lapping of the waves, the cooling breeze and the sound of the leafs rustling in the trees. Now and then, I'd get the pleasant scent of a charcoal or wood fire going in a BBQ as some fisherman down the way got ready for lunch or a family out for the day with pleasantly quiet kids grilled hot-dogs and hamburgers.

I could fish and think and dream and explore. I could enjoy periods of delicious solitude. I could walk the small sandy shores of the islands and feel like Robinson Crusoe and occasionally find a small treasure, like a big net float, pieces of sea glass, colorful shells or a barnacle encrusted, sand worn bottle.

Even if I didn't catch much, I went home tired, relaxed, often a bit sunburned and refreshed.

That's all gone now.

My spots have been plowed under for homes, parks, exercise tracks and tennis courts. Far too many people have visited 'my' islands and trashed them, cutting down the trees, leaving garbage behind and piles of toilet paper and feces. Other spots are now too crowded and noisy, with drunks and brats and booming rap music blasted out of stereo systems and squalling infants.

My little boat rots in my yard. One of the la ...


In other words, people should stay off your lawn
 
2008-03-29 05:41:12 PM  
Hunting is a great way for fathers and sons to bond and a great outlet for young testosterone filled males. The reason for the decline in interest in hunting is the decline in intrest of being fathers. Today we have a country of nancy boys, that refuse to man up and take care of the children they produce because they think adolescense should extend well into their 30's.

Most violent crime in this country is committed by males between the ages of 18-26 that were raised by single mothers and an absentee father, they have no idea about what being a man is all about because they never had quality time with one. It's not hunters destroying this country it's self-absorbed, cosmo reading, metrosexual, vegan she-males that are the real threat.

Here's what you can tell about someone that hunts... he has a stable family life, he values family, he takes responsiblity for his actions, he's not looking for a hand out, and he's not afraid of adulthood.

Round up a bunch of murderous, drive-by-shooting, car jacking gang members and see how many have a father that ever took them hunting... Now who's value systme is more farked?
 
2008-03-29 05:42:23 PM  
Subby is a vegan named Shilo
 
2008-03-29 05:45:13 PM  
micoga45: Hunting is a great way for fathers and sons to bond and a great outlet for young testosterone filled males. The reason for the decline in interest in hunting is the decline in intrest of being fathers. Today we have a country of nancy boys, that refuse to man up and take care of the children they produce because they think adolescense should extend well into their 30's.

Congratulations, you've just described the hip-hop industry at large!

But really, a 'father' and a 'baby-daddy' are two different things. A 'father' takes responsibility to provide care, not just materially, but emotionally, spiritually, and moral/ethically. A 'Baby-daddy' thinks that pulling out is a good method of birth control.

I've never heard and/or used the term 'nancy boys' in years. YEARS. Thanks for the nostalgia, buddy.
 
2008-03-29 05:46:36 PM  
platts42: I have no problems if you hunt and eat the food (or give it me), but don't mask your blood lust behind population control. We've killed off the apex predators so we could build a Suburbia we didn't need. Things will eventually balance out.

Don't say you kill to eat and then pose proudly for a photo with your kill. You don't pose with an apple you pick from a tree.

Why hang the horns and antlers? You didn't outsmart a beast by sitting in tree doused with the urine of a female in heat.

If you just admit you like the killing, I'm ok with that. Stop making excuses and cook me that steak.


This. Except you can keep the steak. I think it tastes nasty.
 
2008-03-29 05:46:55 PM  
Kyosuke: You can drink while pretending to fish.

Wait. You mean drinking beer and whiskey while sitting in a boat on a river isn't "fishing"? Someone owes me an explanation...

/trout fishing on the Little Red is awesome
//either throw 'em back or cook 'em
 
2008-03-29 05:47:17 PM  
colovion: Except for the damn Y-bones in the pike... they're even a pain in the ass AFTER you have them on the plate!

It's not too hard to learn to cut the Y-bones out of a pike fillet. After the first couple of times you get the hang of it.

http://www.boois.com/y-bones.htm
 
2008-03-29 05:47:18 PM  
paygun: evilstein: Too many clueless idiots think "hunter" equals "dumb redneck"

Not necessarily idiots, but certainly puritan asswipes. Tell these same people that sex is dirty and shameful and they'd call you a fundie. When they do the same thing in regards to hunting then we're supposed to believe it's because they're more civilized. They're not, they're just puritanical assholes who are ashamed of being human.

My favorite is, "you don't *need* to hunt". No I don't. You don't need to have sex either, stupid. In fact, you idiots farking all the time and making more humans is killing more animals by way of depleting habitat than my hunting could ever hope to. But because you're human you have an instinct to do it. Just like hunting.


human overpopulation FTL. Of course, if you were to try and institute human population control (1 or 2 kids per family), then you are a labeled as a .... ?
 
2008-03-29 05:47:58 PM  
Arkcon I retrospect no robin probably does not taste bad: but when your 7 and have just had 'The Talk' and a spanking would have been preferable; your Mom ,who loved robins, is not speaking to you; you know that the next day you will have to go tell your Dad what you did and he will just give you 'The Look' and walk away disappointed in you. Then yes cleaning and cooking that robin does leave a very strong non-savory memory.

Three more rules:

1) All guns are loaded unless disassembled.
2) Guns are tools not toys.
3) If you want to hunt a farmers property go give him a hand during planting and/or harvest.
 
2008-03-29 05:48:57 PM  
uprislng: re human you have an instinct to do it. Just like hunting.

human overpopulation FTL. Of course, if you were to try and institute human population control (1 or 2 kids per family), then you are a labeled as a .... ?


...resident of China, where they, indeed, enforce that very policy.

Don't forget your toothbrush.
 
2008-03-29 05:49:36 PM  
 
2008-03-29 05:50:21 PM  
Hey subby, how about I kill some hogs so they don't eat the eggs of endangered sea turtles?

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/07/Floridian/Hog_wild.shtml

//oh, and you anti-hunters are douches who have no clue what conservationism is about.
 
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