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2008-03-27 04:11:04 PM
cerberus9: Mayor Of R'lyeh: Most of these 'conditions' and 'diseases' are caused by parents dumping their kids in front of the Cartoon Channel all day and not doing an actual parenting.

I think it's more the case where the child is shipped off to daycare in order to let mummy or daddy get back to their precious careers. I mean, why should they have to give up anything just because they've had a child? SUV's aren't free, ya know? And when the child reacts to this abandonment, there's always a convenient medical condition to blame this reaction on.

/hates parents who outsource the raising of their children



THIS
 
2008-03-27 04:11:06 PM
Missicat: I did hear schools get extra funding for every kid diagnosed with Autism/aspergers.

/not trolling, just wondering if this is true


If they get over 50, the principal gets an all expense paid trip to Hawaii. (The teachers get a set of steak knives).
 
2008-03-27 04:11:13 PM
Carth: Diagnosis rates are going up and even doctors don't know why. I blame crappy parenting and until there is evidence that it is something else my guess is as good as yours.

I like the fact that you're putting the blame on something that could be changed and at little cost. However, there's a couple of problems with your notion.

1. Most bad parenting doesn't result in a case of autism. So...you're looking at a very high false positive rate.

2. It would be very difficult to establish that most cases of autism don't result from the worst parenting.

So...you're looking at a very high false negative rate.

A high false negative and a high false positive usually means you're using the wrong metric.

woops.
 
2008-03-27 04:12:12 PM
Have you seen my baseball?
 
2008-03-27 04:12:13 PM
Mayor Of R'lyeh: So you're one of those who labels everything you don't want to hear as 'hate' are you? What's sad is your need to dismiss everything you don't agree with so you don't have to confront any unfamiliar thoughts and concepts. To each his own, I guess.

That part was directed at a quote from cerebus9.

Try again.
 
2008-03-27 04:12:15 PM
Dances-With-Lobster

Are you sure your sister isn't just a really bad parent?

If you've ever seen what it takes just to get through a normal day with an Autistic child, you wouldn't need to ask.

Personally I don't think I would have it in me.

\I am not the least bit mad, just amazed at how dumb some people are.
 
2008-03-27 04:12:18 PM
Mayor Of R'lyeh: dogfood

If you really love your child you'll toss out your tv. If you love your nephew you'll go over to your sister's house and break hers.


I think that's going a bit too far. I grew up with a TV and I'm just fine.

Fine. Fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine.
 
2008-03-27 04:12:40 PM
Here's how to get free stuff


It ain't free. Those of us pulling the wagon paying taxes get to foot the bill for all those along for the ride.
 
2008-03-27 04:13:17 PM
If they get over 50, the principal gets an all expense paid trip to Hawaii. (The teachers get a set of steak knives).

What kind of steak knives? Good chef's quality or crappy Target stuff?

Just wonderin,
 
2008-03-27 04:14:19 PM
Mayor Of R'lyeh: That was kinda the whole point. There aren't any that I know of.

Right about here is where I stop caring what your anecdotal data tells you.

If it was this cut and dried, somebody would've written a book, sold millions of copies, seen millions of cases of autism disappear, and seen vast academic praise as the bringer of such a cure to such a condition.

Just a little tongue in cheek on that one, but you get the point, don't you?
 
2008-03-27 04:14:23 PM
Tartha De Tear: You know...given that it's a medium that requires NO personal or tactile involvement with the other participants, not only allows but ENCOURAGES the repetition of jokes/lines (we call them memes), and everyone seems to be talking past each other...

Maybe there's something very real about this connection between hyperactivity on the internet and mental disorders.


Good point.

/I like computer mouses. I use a Microsoft Intellipoint 6000 Laser Mouse (with 4-way scroll-wheel). Do you all like computer mouses? I like laser mouses. They have better resolution than non-laser mouses. I don't like trackballs, but I like mouses.
 
2008-03-27 04:14:29 PM
Mayor Of R'lyeh: \There's no conspiracy here. Failed parents want something else to blame their failures on and are willing to pay for it. A group stepped in to take their money.

There's a kid at my son's school that is autistic. Every time I see him he is counting bricks, scooting around backwards on his butt, or banging his head against walls. People attempt to talk to him and he continues repeating numbers or whatnot to himself and flat out ignores them. I've walked through a few times while he was meeting with his therapist. He was unable to make simple eye contact with her (and as far as I can tell anyone else) for even a split second. He is completely off in his own world and unable to come out of it and interact with other human beings, even a little bit. It goes WAY beyond awkwardness or lack of social skills. He simply cannot live outside of his own brain.

I can't imagine that anyone else who may have spent any time with him or a child like him would still believe Autism was a diagnosis made up by parents who are dissatisfied with the children they've popped out. As far as Autism is concerned, seeing is believing for me.
 
2008-03-27 04:14:42 PM
Rev. Skarekroe: Cripples and retards should be left in the wild to die. THAT'LL tell us who's faking it. Besides, who are we deny Darwin's will?

Damn skippy. Let the wolves have them and don't forget to cripple their parents and send them out there too. We don't want those filthy untouchables to continue to pollute the gene pool!
 
2008-03-27 04:14:46 PM
Special Guest

LOL....damn....


/I'll be in the next seat over
 
2008-03-27 04:15:20 PM
fark you subby for recycling that shiatty cliche, lack enough intelligence to think for yourself?
 
2008-03-27 04:15:22 PM
FarkingUpTheWrongTree: Tartha De Tear: You know...given that it's a medium that requires NO personal or tactile involvement with the other participants, not only allows but ENCOURAGES the repetition of jokes/lines (we call them memes), and everyone seems to be talking past each other...

Maybe there's something very real about this connection between hyperactivity on the internet and mental disorders.

Good point.

/I like computer mouses. I use a Microsoft Intellipoint 6000 Laser Mouse (with 4-way scroll-wheel). Do you all like computer mouses? I like laser mouses. They have better resolution than non-laser mouses. I don't like trackballs, but I like mouses.


Pop into a Mac vs PC thread and just try to tell me that the joint doesn't just reek with social inability and obsession over minutia.
 
2008-03-27 04:16:16 PM
cerberus9: Your precious snowflake doesn't have "autism", you've just failed as a parent.

roflmao, You owe me a new San Pellegrino!
 
2008-03-27 04:16:39 PM
Der Poopflinger: fark you subby for recycling that shiatty cliche, lack enough intelligence to think for yourself?

No. He couldn't help it.

Self-loathing undiagnosed asperger case, that one.

Sad, really.
 
2008-03-27 04:16:42 PM
Artamnesia: A list of behaviors that aren't actually play, but 'self-stimulation'and therefore ABNORMAL.

The "Stim" List

Visual:
dangling strings
shaking toys
wiggling fingers--in front of or to the side of face--- most often in exactly the same spot
lining up toys
repeatedly stacking toys and knocking them down --excessively
spinning wheels on toy cars/trucks
pushing toy trucks and cars while tilting head to watch wheels
watching out the window at cars driving by
staring out window
watching dust specks in the air
watching ceiling fans
staring at dining room lights
looking sideways and/or upside down at TV
nose on TV
flipping pages without looking at pictures
flipping toys
wall walking
opening/shutting drawers and doors
spinning bowls
spinning toys
walking in patterns
pacing
splashing
watching water
running sand/beans etc. through hands while watching
spinning coins
looking at maps with nose about 1" away
following roads on map with nose
box hopping or lining up chairs, laundry baskets, boxes and storage containers in a path and stepping from one to another
rocking:
from foot to foot
back and forth while sitting
side to side while sitting

throwing or dropping toys over and over
throwing toys over shoulder
picking fuzz
shredding paper
looking out car window with peripheral vision (while giggling)
walking down hall with head to one side
standing on head on furniture
running in circles
rewind video while watching it rewind
excessive drawing
rubbing pencils together
watching own reflection in doorknobs, toasters, windows at night, oven door, shiny faucets, tv screen when off, clean cars, blank computer screens and mirrrors
holding up small toys (usually characters) in front of TV while video is going
perseverating on Thomas the Tank or other train stuff
turning head in light patterns made by blinds
obsessively pouring a "slinky" from hand to hand
watching a yoyo with peripheral vision over and over
multiple cartwheels frequently and excessively
head shaking
spinning own body or twirling around
twirling self under own arm which is against a wall
dangling pieces of grass or twigs
twirling long hair or braids (girls) in peripheral vision

Verbal or Auditory
blurting out loud and/or high pitched noises
repetition of odd noises/sounds
talking to self-- excessive and nondirective
echolalia of phrases, movies, songs........
humming
nose humming
banging on everything
throat sound--compulsive
pounding toys or books
excessive giggling
excessive pretend play
electronic games that repeat
inappropriate giggling (often a sign that they are stimming)
repeating a video scene over and over
telling the same story over and over
constantly singing
reciting alphabet over and over


Tactile:
chewing on insides of cheeks
rubbing clothing between fingers
biting fingernails
chewing fingernails
scratching obsessively/to bleeding
head banging
teeth grinding
spitting
grabbing someone's arm with both hands and squeezing with head against arm
rubbing face/hands
bobbing up and down with top part of body while sitting in chair
sucking on tongue

Vestibular:
spinning
rocking
swinging

Other:
excessive pretending
acting out a movie scene repeatedly
sharpening and sharpening and sharpening pencils
writing numbers or days of the week over and over

/Did a lot of these as a kid
/My kids did a lot of these too
/Still enjoy doing some of these
/Is that so wrong?


Sounds like someone tripping balls
 
2008-03-27 04:17:11 PM
Il Douchey: I'm not dumb, it's a condition!"

don't sell yourself short, your an incredible idiot.
 
2008-03-27 04:17:34 PM
Batewoman: Mayor Of R'lyeh: \There's no conspiracy here. Failed parents want something else to blame their failures on and are willing to pay for it. A group stepped in to take their money.

There's a kid at my son's school that is autistic. Every time I see him he is counting bricks, scooting around backwards on his butt, or banging his head against walls. People attempt to talk to him and he continues repeating numbers or whatnot to himself and flat out ignores them. I've walked through a few times while he was meeting with his therapist. He was unable to make simple eye contact with her (and as far as I can tell anyone else) for even a split second. He is completely off in his own world and unable to come out of it and interact with other human beings, even a little bit. It goes WAY beyond awkwardness or lack of social skills. He simply cannot live outside of his own brain.

I can't imagine that anyone else who may have spent any time with him or a child like him would still believe Autism was a diagnosis made up by parents who are dissatisfied with the children they've popped out. As far as Autism is concerned, seeing is believing for me.


So just because that ONE kid has it, every kid who's diagnosed with it has it THAT bad?

Anecdotal evidence is not data, no matter which side of the argument you're on.
 
2008-03-27 04:17:37 PM
mizchief: Sounds like someone tripping balls

You know, you're right.

So...how do you bring somebody out of a permanent trip?
 
2008-03-27 04:17:47 PM
Autism is the new Indigo Children?
 
2008-03-27 04:19:06 PM
Dances-With-Lobster: So just because that ONE kid has it, every kid who's diagnosed with it has it THAT bad?

That's not what she said.

She has seen an instance of the condition.

Therefore, she believes that there's at least one instance of a diagnosed individual actually having the condition.

This does NOT mean that all instances of a diagnosed individual actually have the condition.

I know. Easy mistake.
 
2008-03-27 04:19:23 PM
Gettin' tired of this 'precious snowflake' shiat.
 
2008-03-27 04:19:24 PM
Tartha De Tear: mizchief: Sounds like someone tripping balls

You know, you're right.

So...how do you bring somebody out of a permanent trip?


Why would you want to? So they have to face the same crappy reality the rest of us do?
 
2008-03-27 04:20:34 PM
Autism is more fashionable than a Mac these days.
 
2008-03-27 04:20:34 PM
Mayor Of R'lyeh:
The whole learning disability industry is geared towards making money by absolving failed parents of their guilt for working 70 hour weeks so they could afford a house at the impress-me-more address and the impress-me-more car than it is about finding the truth.
Yes, because all kids diagnosed with autism have yuppie parents who never pay attention to them.


Her mother dragged her to every doctor in town and got a whole satchel full of learning disability diagnoses and another one full of pills. Nothing improved. Her dad finally said 'enough is enough'. He threw out the pills, ripped up her diagnoses and started strictly disciplining her. Her behavior improved, her grades improved, her life in general improved. Then her mother decided that the dad was being 'cruel' and divorced him taking the girl with her. The last I heard she was back to having every learning and behavioral problem you can name.

And the moral of the story: It IS possible to suppress outward signs of your disability, for awhile, to avoid being beaten and yelled at.

That's been the common theme in this in my experience. Parents who actually parent usually have kids without these afflictions while parents who don't have the kids with all of these issues.

I question the depth of your experience, then.

/Brother has developmental disability
//Mother taught special ed
///Worked in several special ed classes myself as an aide
 
2008-03-27 04:20:42 PM
screw subby

We see autistic kids every day where I work, and sometimes it's heartbreaking. Ask Doug Flutie about his son and how that's been.

ADD and ADHD may be diagnoses some doctors rush to, but autism is very, very different.
 
2008-03-27 04:21:02 PM
Dances-With-Lobster: Why would you want to? So they have to face the same crappy reality the rest of us do?

You know...that's a good point.

It's kinda hard to know if someone is enjoying themselves while in this condition if they never come out of it.

Now...if we could induce the condition and bring someone out of it, then we'd have something!

//LSD research is an awkward topic
 
2008-03-27 04:21:03 PM
Tartha De Tear: Dances-With-Lobster: So just because that ONE kid has it, every kid who's diagnosed with it has it THAT bad?

That's not what she said.

She has seen an instance of the condition.

Therefore, she believes that there's at least one instance of a diagnosed individual actually having the condition.

This does NOT mean that all instances of a diagnosed individual actually have the condition.

I know. Easy mistake.


Beat me to it. Many thank yous, Tartha De Tear
 
2008-03-27 04:22:42 PM
Missicat: If they get over 50, the principal gets an all expense paid trip to Hawaii. (The teachers get a set of steak knives).

What kind of steak knives? Good chef's quality or crappy Target stuff?

Just wonderin,


this is important..I mean some quality knives will run into the several hundreds of dollars. The principal will easily drop that on hookers alone in Hawaii.
 
2008-03-27 04:22:43 PM
FTFA:he wouldn't look at people -- he looked "through" them.

If this makes one autistic, I need some meds.
 
2008-03-27 04:22:47 PM
Gurlugon: Autism is more fashionable than a Mac these days.

You know what's more fashionable than that?

Posting jaded comments about serious topics using current cultural references to spike up the flavor.

Well, not really. Only to some people, anyway.
 
2008-03-27 04:23:20 PM
Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way. The article's on CNN. Parents are going to read the article, think, "hey, some of this matches up with the stuff my stupid kid does!" and the cycle begins anew. Doctors aren't going to learn anything from it. So yeah, the woman in the article was right and her kids have problems, but REPORTING on it is probably not going to help the whole overdiagnosis deal.
 
2008-03-27 04:23:38 PM
Batewoman: I can't imagine that anyone else who may have spent any time with him or a child like him would still believe Autism was a diagnosis made up by parents who are dissatisfied with the children they've popped out.

www.marcusleatherdale.com

I haven't seen anyone in here say that Autism is a completely made-up disease.
 
2008-03-27 04:24:07 PM
SwallowTheKnife: Gettin' tired of this 'precious snowflake' shiat.

Would you prefer belly fruit? crotch maggot? or coont droppings?
 
2008-03-27 04:24:15 PM
Tartha De Tear: Pop into a Mac vs PC thread and just try to tell me that the joint doesn't just reek with social inability and obsession over minutia.

Oh, abso-farking-lutely. I'm living proof that socially inept people are more likely to be more active online than other folks.

So yeah, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if high-functioning autistic people were also drawn to those kinds of forums.
 
2008-03-27 04:24:32 PM
I live in Autsin so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/DNRTFA
//DNRTFT
///Oh, wait...
 
2008-03-27 04:24:55 PM
Tartha De Tear: Gurlugon: Autism is more fashionable than a Mac these days.

You know what's more fashionable than that?

Posting jaded comments about serious topics using current cultural references to spike up the flavor.

Well, not really. Only to some people, anyway.


You know what else is really fashionable? Acting like you know every goddamn thing there is to know about something, and then acting all snotty and indignant if someone dares disagree.
 
2008-03-27 04:25:08 PM
Gurlugon: Autism is more fashionable than a Mac these days.

What isn't?
/Zing
 
2008-03-27 04:25:33 PM
Tartha De Tear: Gurlugon: Autism is more fashionable than a Mac these days.

You know what's more fashionable than that?

Posting jaded comments about serious topics using current cultural references to spike up the flavor.

Well, not really. Only to some people, anyway.


I'll go back to rocking in my corner and being awesome
 
2008-03-27 04:25:53 PM
Tartha De Tear

Right about here is where I stop caring what your anecdotal data tells you.

Oh be honest. You never cared in the least, did you?

If it was this cut and dried, somebody would've written a book, sold millions of copies, seen millions of cases of autism disappear, and seen vast academic praise as the bringer of such a cure to such a condition.

Just a little tongue in cheek on that one, but you get the point, don't you?


I understand that you don't understand. There have been plenty of questions raised about this. But who is interested in this topic? Mostly parents. Do they want to hear that all of the conditions they blame their kids' problems on aren't real and are their fault? Oh Hell no! Learning disabilities have become Big Business. Schools get extra funds, drug companies get to sell drugs, etc. Do you think anyone is going to derail that gravy train over a little thing like its all a damn lie?
 
2008-03-27 04:26:20 PM
SchlingFo: I haven't seen anyone in here say that Autism is a completely made-up disease.

Very cute. Maybe read the post I was responding to.
 
2008-03-27 04:28:05 PM
SwallowTheKnife: Gettin' tired of this 'precious snowflake' shiat.

In all the putrescent, swirling clouds of ignorant hot air swirling around this place, this pathetic jackass braying contest of a thread, you- in your still, small voice- have said the only thing worth reading.

*slow deliberate clap that increases in frequency and volume as others join in*
 
2008-03-27 04:28:14 PM
Dances-With-Lobster: You know what else is really fashionable? Acting like you know every goddamn thing there is to know about something, and then acting all snotty and indignant if someone dares disagree.

Snotty and indignant? Hrmm. Whatever. I'm thinking you're missing the tone of my posts. You're missing the amusement.

//unless you're referencing yourself
 
2008-03-27 04:28:30 PM
SchlingFo: I haven't seen anyone in here say that Autism is a completely made-up disease.

No, but they're implying that it's various petty things - a behavioral disorder caused by crappy parenting, for example.
And yes, for the record, anyone who self-diagnoses with anything without seeing a doctor is an idiot. But I'm not talking about "I'm an Aspie lolzorz" here, I'm talking about diagnosed cases...
 
2008-03-27 04:30:35 PM
Sir Roderick Glossop: SwallowTheKnife: Gettin' tired of this 'precious snowflake' shiat.

In all the putrescent, swirling clouds of ignorant hot air swirling around this place, this pathetic jackass braying contest of a thread, you- in your still, small voice- have said the only thing worth reading.

*slow deliberate clap that increases in frequency and volume as others join in*


Heh, this.

This thread is a fetid, frozen-and-thawing soup of Fail with a few little icy chunks of Win bobbing around in it.
 
2008-03-27 04:31:37 PM
Mayor Of R'lyeh: Oh be honest. You never cared in the least, did you?

Everyone walks in with a modicum of credibility. Why not? Nothing to lose, really.

Mayor Of R'lyeh: I understand that you don't understand. There have been plenty of questions raised about this. But who is interested in this topic? Mostly parents. Do they want to hear that all of the conditions they blame their kids' problems on aren't real and are their fault? Oh Hell no! Learning disabilities have become Big Business. Schools get extra funds, drug companies get to sell drugs, etc. Do you think anyone is going to derail that gravy train over a little thing like its all a damn lie?

You've jumped to your solution based on your personal biases and seriously inconsequential information and walk around with huge conspiratorial nonsense.

The world's just not that together, man. Anyone who claims that "Schools", "Drug Companies", or "Parents" act in concert has an infantile understanding of what's going on around them.
 
2008-03-27 04:31:51 PM
SwallowTheKnife: Gettin' tired of this 'precious snowflake' shiat.

Well, I'm getting tired of having to deal with everyone's "precious snowflakes" so to retaliate I do myself the small favor of referring to them in a snarky manner. Makes me feel better, and hey, "crotchfruit" is really funny to me!
 
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