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(New York Sun)   We're all sick: Half of Americans are in some way mentally ill, and one-quarter of the population has taken anti-depressants, and that doesn't mean that one time at a rave   (nysun.com ) divider line 380
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2008-03-26 01:45:00 PM  
I was told to take Zoloft and Xanax because i was having panic attacks. I quit taking the Zoloft after 2 months and only took the xanax every once in awhile. They wanted me to take 3 xanax a day and they prescribed me that much for over a year. Now i don't need any of that stuff, because i tripped Mushrooms and now I know what panic is.
 
2008-03-26 01:45:01 PM  
There's a good reason for it all.

$$$
 
2008-03-26 01:45:10 PM  
To a point I can see why doctors prescribe medications to people all the time.
They see the worst of the worst (except for the Emergency Care people).
They have spent almost a decade learning about "what could be wrong" with people.
I would almost compare some doctors to hypochondriacs or someone with Munchaussen (sp?)... but they are the ones with the prescription pad.

A lot of people need drugs for legit chemical imbalances, and a lot of docs help those people who truly need them.
When a personal relationship gets built up between docs and patients - this is probably where you would see an increase in prescriptions when they aren't 'needed'.

In my opinion... a lot of these people probably think they need the pills... but I think they probably just ened a hobby instead
 
2008-03-26 01:45:11 PM  
Il Douchey: People are as sick as their options allow. Go to a poor country; there is no ADD, no ADHD, no Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, no Seasonal Affective Disorder, no OCD, no women trapped in a man's body, no Munchausen by proxy - These are the follies of the wealthy. Experience some real misfortune and watch how quickly these fashionable maladies fade away.

/If people make up problems, drug companies will make up solutions


You do realise this is flat out wrong right?

Global study finds mental illness widespread (new window)


The Unseen: Mental Illness's Global Toll (new window)

The global response to mental illness (new window)
 
2008-03-26 01:45:41 PM  
Yeah, we're all sick - insane to take to heart the pitches from Doctors' assistants who shill for the pharmaceutical companies.

LEARN TO SWIM, AMERICA!
 
2008-03-26 01:45:43 PM  
wow, you are all so knowledgeable. We should launch a Fark university. FU.

/self-medicated
 
2008-03-26 01:45:43 PM  
ThatGuyGreg:
Humean_Nature: /I have NEVER met anyone who claims to have Restless Legs.

I do very occasionally, but I generally take it as a sign that I need to go to sleep.


I have "restless penis syndrome". Fortunately, the treatment is purely non-pharmaceutical (unless lotion with vitamin E counts as a drug).

Il Douchey:
Go to a poor country; there is no ADD, no ADHD, no Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, no Seasonal Affective Disorder, no OCD, no women trapped in a man's body...

Whoa nelly. Even the Ayatollah of Iran admits transsexuality is real. It's just that for most people in the world, the surgery is not available (Iranian TS get it for free, go figure). But a non-op TS is still TS.
 
2008-03-26 01:45:44 PM  
I don't need medicine. I know that government has put coils in my brain and they try and transmit instructions to me with them. I talk to the T.V. and it talks back. It told me all the women I meet have relay units in their vajayjays to boost the signals. But yesterday they messed up. I hear the same talk show on the radio that I heard a few months ago, but they were acting like it was the first time it was broadcast!!! I remember. They messed up and that is proof they are trying to engineer my life, like a holodeck.
 
2008-03-26 01:45:57 PM  
I so wish the quality of e pills would get better, then maybe I'd shell out the money to get one or a few dozen. Sure miss those good ol' days.

I never understood those who abused pharmaceuticals though. If you want to feel really numb, just jump off a building. The pain will go away instantly.


//Love the feel.
 
2008-03-26 01:46:14 PM  
The prevalence of mental illness is pretty high... however there is a wide variety in the disability within. To me, a disability is anything that interferes with social, occupational, or academic functioning.

As one of Fark's few resident psychiatrists, I know where this thread is heading. Yes, many people still believe that all mental illnesses are purely psychological and they 'just need to get over it'. Yes, I'm aware that as a child psychiatrist many people believe i'm poisoning children with psychobabble and toxic compounds. However, I believe the following to be true:

1) anyone who takes a position of absolute should be ready to be absolutely wrong
2) if you haven't experienced what you're talking about, be sure to defer to those who have
3) scientific understanding changes, scientific process does not
 
2008-03-26 01:46:42 PM  
zappaisfrank: The one that kills me is "social anxiety disorder". If that isn't the biggest bunch of horseshiat evar, I don't know what is.

It's called xenophobia - and half of you basement-dwellers have it.
 
2008-03-26 01:46:50 PM  
Humean_Nature: I have NEVER met anyone who claims to have Restless Legs. Until I do, it's made up bullshiat for drug company profits.

You should read up on it a bit. I don't claim to have it, but due to nerve problems I get phantom 'crawlers' that feel like a bug or twelve on my legs. Guess what I have to do to get it to stop, or attempt to get it to stop? I fidget. Which makes me have to move around a lot. Is that restlessness? Dunno, but I can see where the name may come from.

/TMYK
 
2008-03-26 01:46:52 PM  
DulceEtDecorumEst: Most people on anti depressants are not mentally ill. They are just weak. Only a small number of people truly suffer from some sort of "chemical imbalance."

And I suppose you have personally done the research to back up this assertion???

I used to think the same thing too until someone in my immediate family suddenly started having panic attacks. We tried for several months to go the non-medication route but we were finally convinced that she needed drugs after a suicide attempt.

I'm not saying that there aren't some people out there who are on medication that don't need to be, but there is no way that you can assert that 95% don't need it.
 
2008-03-26 01:46:55 PM  
If you need to take oral medicines, you should leave the country and leave us sane people alone.

Dang. I never knew my acid reflux would force me to choose between vomiting acid into my mouth at night or take the pill to fix it and become a burden on society.

Hope you never get sick (or even better, I hope nobody you love ever becomes seriously ill), or you might have to grow up a little...
 
2008-03-26 01:47:00 PM  
DulceEtDecorumEst: No, we are not all sick.
Most people on anti depressants are not mentally ill. They are just weak. Only a small number of people truly suffer from some sort of "chemical imbalance." The rest are just unable to actually deal with the problems in their life, and do things that would address them - like exercise, find a new boyfriend/girlfriend, work diligently, and/or manage money correctly.
People on anti depressants, in 95% of cases, just have no concept of personal responsibility, and are looking for an easy out.


I'm surprised someone as stupid as you is able to type coherently.

Sorry, but there's just no way to nicely put how stupid you are.
 
2008-03-26 01:47:09 PM  
Humean_Nature:
/I have NEVER met anyone who claims to have Restless Legs. Until I do, it's made up bullshiat for drug company profits.


My dad has it. It keeps my mom up most nights. It's a symptom of his hemachromatosis, IIRC. He gets phlebotomised every so often and takes iron pills (though why they have him take iron when there's too much iron in his blood makes no sense to me.)

I think RLS is usually a symtpom of something else, and not a stand-alone ailment. That's the problem, IMO: too much medication of symtpoms, not enough diagnoses of root causes.
 
2008-03-26 01:47:09 PM  
i67.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-26 01:47:35 PM  
Humean_Nature:
/I have NEVER met anyone who claims to have Restless Legs. Until I do, it's made up bullshiat for drug company profits.

I had it. It was because I was anemic. It is the weirdest feeling, and really hard to describe. But they put me on iron supplements and 2 units of packed blood and it was gone in about 3 weeks. There is no need for a prescription drug to counteract this. Check your iron levels.

/hemoglobin was down around 6.5 (normal is 14 - 16)
//hospital couldn't believe I hadn't passed out
///drove myself there, too
 
2008-03-26 01:47:48 PM  
If only there was some way to become clear of these problems.
 
2008-03-26 01:48:00 PM  
Was medicated for years, and finally quit.

I probably need to be back on them, to some extent, but there are a number of problems with the system (coming from someone who has experienced the system for over a decade, and known countless others).

1.) Overprescription of heavy side-effect medication: Im talking about Depakote and Zyprexa. Doctors rarely mention the zombie-like state that people on these medications find themselves in.

2.) Broken Insurance System: Even WITH Good insurance, visits are still prohibitively expensive. It would cost me $50.00 just for a copay PER VISIT. For someone in their early 20s, thats a huge amount of money just for treatment. NOT including medication. Those that need help cant get help, and those that have help available, can barely afford it.

3.) Inpatient Care: My best friend is a paranoid schizophrenic. He started to hurt himself and was hallucinating. However, the inpatient care system is so screwed up that they dont have the facilities available to hold him. They take him for 72 hours and later release him to end up being arrested by police for some type of misdemeanor (in a manic state, he will walk around screaming or otherwise disturbing the peace).

There are more problems, but to me, these are the most severe.

There are a lot of people out there that need help, that arent getting it.
 
2008-03-26 01:48:05 PM  
While I think that there are a lot of folks who ARE genuinely helped by meds, I think there is also a LOT of overkill on medicating people and just diagnosing them as depressed and shuttling them out the door.

A shrink would have a field day with me and have me on god knows how many meds if given the chance, I'm sure.

I go to the pub multiple times a week for SportsCenter and a Guinness - I work at home, so it's nice to get a bit of human contact = Alcoholic

I still get sad that my folks are both dead and I'm only 36 = Depression

I am terrified of having to take care of my only living grandmother who has Alzheimer's = Anxiety disorder

I get nervous going places where I don't know anyone = Social anxiety disorder

I hate winter = Seasonal Affective Disorder

To me, this is all "some days life sucks" stuff and I talk to my friends who have gone through the same type of crap and we rally around each other and remember that we're not alone in this and we then get on with the important things: Beer.

I think a doc would have me on a ton of meds.

/really not crazy
//OK, maybe a little
///But it's the happy kind for the most part
 
2008-03-26 01:48:12 PM  
DulceEtDecorumEst: No, we are not all sick.
Most people on anti depressants are not mentally ill. They are just weak. Only a small number of people truly suffer from some sort of "chemical imbalance." The rest are just unable to actually deal with the problems in their life, and do things that would address them - like exercise, find a new boyfriend/girlfriend, work diligently, and/or manage money correctly.
People on anti depressants, in 95% of cases, just have no concept of personal responsibility, and are looking for an easy out.


I give you partial credit for saying 'most people' and I agree with you.
Mrs. Disdain is not in denial, she is BiPolar. With medication, she holds down 2 jobs (one full-time, one part-time) and has a small contract business of her own.
Without her meds, she either goes manic and does everything for 2 weeks and then crashes to the point of being suicidal and asking me to assist. :-(

It is very American to avoid having to do any real work on any problem, and to either take the easy way out (pills, bombing etc.) than to actually attempt to find the root of the issue.
 
2008-03-26 01:48:17 PM  
"Are we really that ill?" No, but we're sure as shiat going to complain about it!
 
2008-03-26 01:48:55 PM  
cubsfan07: I've got my 6th meeting with a psychiatrist tonight. I'm going to have to challenge her "I don't prescribe medication" policy.

As some of you familiar with my postings here on Fark may know, there is definitely something chemically wrong with my mind, and pills are definitely in order.

Introspection only gets you so far.

/that guy who made the wound/band-aid analogy can blow me
//physical problems |= mental problems


Yeah, you are a damned, certifiable nut bag.
 
2008-03-26 01:48:57 PM  
Great, now how am I supposed to be cool and edgy?

What's the point in having a mental illness if you can't use it to show the world how special you are?
 
2008-03-26 01:49:14 PM  
NCg8r: If you need to take oral medicines, you should leave the country and leave us sane people alone.

Dang. I never knew my acid reflux would force me to choose between vomiting acid into my mouth at night or take the pill to fix it and become a burden on society.

Hope you never get sick (or even better, I hope nobody you love ever becomes seriously ill), or you might have to grow up a little...




Yep, protonix every morning. Does this mean I have to leave the country?
 
2008-03-26 01:49:19 PM  
everyone is a little crazy some just a little more than others. Now if you dont mind I need to avoid these damn y-rays

STUYVESANT!
 
2008-03-26 01:49:26 PM  
This should have a "DUH" tag.
 
2008-03-26 01:49:37 PM  
cerberus9: Great, now how am I supposed to be cool and edgy?

What's the point in having a mental illness if you can't use it to show the world how special you are?


Tight pants and converse sneakers again, sir.
 
2008-03-26 01:49:47 PM  
Since my wife got on the medical marijuana she has stopped about half of her medications.
 
2008-03-26 01:50:25 PM  
I know a really hot bipolar girl who like to take two poles at the same time. Dirty. hot. slightly ironic. fun.

/What is with bipolar chicks who are so much fun in bed. Is that like a bad joke from god to get you hooked so you stick around?
 
2008-03-26 01:50:44 PM  
Life is simple

DEPRESSANT =

i180.photobucket.com
ANTI-DEPRESSANT =

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x109/zoomddy/090846e361980f177.gif
 
2008-03-26 01:51:01 PM  
Dynascape: My best friend is a paranoid schizophrenic

You guys must be a barrel of laughs to party with!!!!
 
2008-03-26 01:51:08 PM  
Well maybe if they made marijuana legal there wouldn't be so many pill poppers. I mean right now our choices are prescription pills or becoming alcoholic pains in the butt. Give us a chance to have a natural high and be happy for a few minutes. Maybe life would be a bit more chipper for it.
 
2008-03-26 01:51:32 PM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-26 01:51:44 PM  
Those farking diabetics don't need any goddam insulin either. Pfft! Pussies!
 
2008-03-26 01:51:47 PM  
One of the things that really helped me in my life are isolation tanks. It's amazing what you can find out about yourself when you turn the world off for a bit and focus on your own self. I guess that's exactly what most people achieve in advanced stages of meditation but an isolation tank is easier.
I'm just sharing because farkers are open minded and it is an experience worth having sometime.

/never taken any meds
 
2008-03-26 01:51:48 PM  
Gleemonex makes you feel like it's 72 degrees in your head ... all the time.
 
2008-03-26 01:52:00 PM  
Flavivirus:

2) if you haven't experienced what you're talking about, be sure to defer to those who have


This pretty much makes the psychiatric profession useless as many psychiatrists have textbook knowledge and are not mentally ill. This is why the profession is not respected amongst serious scientists. No true science can rely on subjectivity. Psychiatrists are glorified drug dealers these days.
 
2008-03-26 01:52:04 PM  
Epiphany: They wanted me to take 3 xanax a day and they prescribed me that much for over a year. Now i don't need any of that stuff, because i tripped Mushrooms and now I know what panic is.

Dude, can I have your Xanax?
 
2008-03-26 01:52:05 PM  
I would love to see those of you who don't believe in ADD live with it for one week...

My doctor put me on medication for it my Junior year in high school and my grades shot up to the highest they've ever been. I recently took myself off the medicine and I can clearly tell the difference, although I do make better decisions when I'm on the medication but I decided that the long term effects of the medication aren't worth it.
 
2008-03-26 01:52:21 PM  
I'm all wacked out on peyote right now so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies
 
2008-03-26 01:52:50 PM  
Akuinnen: If only there was some way to become clear of these problems.

img.dailymail.co.uk

I see what you did there, and I liked it!
 
2008-03-26 01:53:12 PM  
oops

ANTI-DEPRESSANT =

i180.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-26 01:53:58 PM  
cubsfan07: I've got my 6th meeting with a psychiatrist tonight. I'm going to have to challenge her "I don't prescribe medication" policy.

As some of you familiar with my postings here on Fark may know, there is definitely something chemically wrong with my mind, and pills are definitely in order.

Introspection only gets you so far.

/that guy who made the wound/band-aid analogy can blow me
//physical problems |= mental problems


I'm sorry your Doc has taken an approach that *doesn't* allow for meds after thorough evaluation. You'd think that it would be better to take the approach of "No meds until we have a better idea of what is going on with you, and that isn't going to happen in a one hour session, but it doesn't mean 'never'."

Hope you can come up with a workable solution.
 
2008-03-26 01:54:07 PM  
Kome: Psychological and psychiatric problems are real. But they are not common. They are not anywhere near as common as the pharmeceutical companies and the psychologists/psychiatrists who have sold out would have you believe.

This.

Medication is not supposed to treat psychological conditions by itself -- it's supposed to get you to the point where therapy and various exercises can help you.
 
2008-03-26 01:54:11 PM  
www.farkitrol.com

I used to worry day in and day out if I had the latest disease on TV, or if I was taking unnecessary psychiatric medication. But then I found new prescription Farkitrol
 
2008-03-26 01:54:12 PM  
My ex-girlfriend is bipolar or borderline personality. I think the pills are an excuse to not work on changing the behavior patterns the lead to her problems. She'd rather say that the mediciation isn't working than say that her situation is bad or she's not being treated correctly, or simply face up to the reality of her world. And it all provides a source of attention, look at me, i'm sick, blah blah blah.

I believe, firmly, that mental illness exists and can be diagnosed correctly. However I think medication and weaker forms of therapy do nothing for treatment of real mental illness. Sure its good for everyone to talk out their problems, it might help with mild depression, but I think it takes rehab-type facilities to deal with finding proper treatments for things such as severe depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc... shiatty treatment that doesn't make the problem get any better can only make it worse.
 
2008-03-26 01:54:42 PM  
The perscription medication situation in America is simple. Everyone falls into one of four categories: don't need drugs and don't take them, don't need drugs but take them anyway, need drugs but don't take them, or need drugs and take them.

It's the relative proportions of those categories that are getting all farked up.

/Category 3, personally. Screw you, headshrinker!
 
2008-03-26 01:54:45 PM  
We'Re AlL mAd HeRe!
 
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