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(New York Sun)   We're all sick: Half of Americans are in some way mentally ill, and one-quarter of the population has taken anti-depressants, and that doesn't mean that one time at a rave   (nysun.com) divider line 380
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2008-03-26 03:34:37 PM  
Flavivirus 1) anyone who takes a position of absolute should be ready to be absolutely wrong
2) if you haven't experienced what you're talking about, be sure to defer to those who have
3) scientific understanding changes, scientific process does not


Nicely put, on all three counts.
 
2008-03-26 03:35:16 PM  
Malcom Tent: No, it wasn't. At first glance I thought he was stating the obvious for comedic effect, then I thought maybe he was just waaay late to the party, and then things got confusing. I blame myself.

/Riddle. Wrapped in an enigma. Wrapped in the thighs of a Cambodian hooker.


I was going for the "obviously dirty name" combined with "semi shocked wide eyed innocence". Side effects occasionally include abdominal spasms
 
2008-03-26 03:36:05 PM  
So, anybody got a cure for biatchy and frigid yet, or am I still out of luck with my marriage?
 
2008-03-26 03:37:23 PM  
bunner: Have a gramme of soma.

imagecache2.allposters.com
agrees
 
2008-03-26 03:37:44 PM  
if this is true, i should be profiting!

isn't
 
2008-03-26 03:37:47 PM  
This: So, anybody got a cure for biatchy and frigid yet, or am I still out of luck with my marriage?

Earplugs and lotion.
:)
 
2008-03-26 03:38:15 PM  
They're still giving shrinks medical degrees? Ridiculous.
 
2008-03-26 03:39:41 PM  
The medications actually make you mentally ill if you ask me. Been there, done that, won't do it again.

I think the reason people think there's something wrong with them is because everyone ELSE is on meds and acting farked up, and the sober people just don't get it.
 
2008-03-26 03:39:58 PM  
Barnstormer: They're still giving shrinks medical degrees? Ridiculous.

Actually you get a medical degree first and THEN you become a shrink.
 
2008-03-26 03:40:28 PM  
Pxtl: StoneMadman: /My mom is a special education teacher and her students have to have their meds before they are able to function in a school setting.
//And they are not mentally retarded, they just have other issues

This does not support your claim, actually. Those kids in the special ed room most certainly did need help, both educationally, psychologically, and chemically - yes... but when I was in school, the special education room did not contain anything like a quarter of the students. So why is it that a quarter of adults need anti-depressants (before even thinking about other drugs) as claimed in the headline? Is depression (and related conditions - anxiety disorders etc) really that prevalent? Does that even make sense?


Yes, at her school it is. Every year she gets more and more students because their moms did drugs or drank alcohol when they were pregnant with them. These are birth defects for most of the students she teaches.

She has actually gotten so many new students that she is over the "legal" limit of class sizes. A "normal" class size for what she teaches is about 10 kids but she has about 20-25.
 
2008-03-26 03:41:27 PM  
kjwulff: Please explain with respect to psychology, where is:

(1) the falsifiability
(2) the predictive hypothesis
(3) the repeatable, controlled experimentation

???

I'm not saying that psychology is not a worthy pursuit as a means of helping the mentally ill (very real problem). I'm just saying it's not science. We're sort of at the leaches and bodily humors stage of understanding the underpinnings of mental illness. Neuroscience is probably going to be the source of these answers eventually, not psychology.


I'm sorry, you have to be more specific. What area of psychology are you refering to? If you feel there's an area which fails at any of these, than that's one thing, and I might even agree with you (I'm no fan of Freud, for example). There are many different areas (including neuropsychology), and the ones I've studied are all very careful to fulfil the requirements you mention.
 
2008-03-26 03:42:47 PM  
This 2008-03-26 03:36:05 PM
So, anybody got a cure for biatchy and frigid yet, or am I still out of luck with my marriage?""

// struggle with big project or common enemy.
get out of comfort zone. Learn Dancing & get good at it.
anything that takes focus off navel and onto outside world.

those 2 indicate too much pleasure & not enough striving.
in this day & age divorce does not reduce survival very much, so the partner may just divorce rather than make efforts..[sigh!]
 
2008-03-26 03:44:03 PM  
This: So, anybody got a cure for biatchy and frigid yet, or am I still out of luck with my marriage?

Any substance in sufficient quantities.
 
2008-03-26 03:49:32 PM  
What's shiatty is that LSD, Mescaline, and Psilocybin can go a long way in helping people with real mental illness, but they're illegal for no good reason. Luckily research on psychedelics is gaining some traction.

Oh well, there's always ECT.
 
2008-03-26 03:49:57 PM  
1. Fake prognosis
2. Prescribe the fark out of meds
3. Profit!?!


/ain't it wonder why our pharmaceutical companies are crazy rich
 
2008-03-26 03:54:10 PM  
People want to be sick so they can be special and get special treatment. The pharmaceutical companies are more than happy to oblige.

We've created an entire nation of disabled people, especially amongst the younger crowd. Don't worry, though, all you have to do is walk in any psychiatrist's office and you, too, can have a diagnosis.

And some meds.

/they'll have to catch me first
//with nets
 
2008-03-26 03:56:21 PM  
Thunderpipes: Has there ever been any real scientific explanation for ADHD? Seems to me I have yet to hear any real evidence. Kids don't pay attention, that seems like an issue with discipline

Its caused by imbalances of dopamine and acetylcholine, neurotransmitters that affect learning and memory. A couple of different types of drugs work to correct it like SSRIs and NRIs.

Its overdiagnosed however, because any sign of activiy from a child that is above "normal" level is of course ADHD. Not, you know, a sign that they are lacking in necessary physical/mental stimulation. Some kids do have it, and do need medication to function. Alot are put on pills so they'll sit still and let Mommy concentrate on her soaps.
 
2008-03-26 04:02:07 PM  
This: So, anybody got a cure for biatchy and frigid yet, or am I still out of luck with my marriage?

I believe they call that Borderline Personality Disorder, these days - perhaps with a touch of Gender Dysphoria, most likely in the Narcissistic category, as well.

And you're shiatt out of luck, because no one knows how to treat it. It's the cancer of mental illness (for awhile it was increasing at epidemic rates, but now, some other illnesses are in vogue).

There's lots of evidence that most people with ADD/ADHD spectrum disorders have brains that function differently from "normal." However, they continue to expand the diagnosis to the point that a huge number of people are now viewed as ADD/ADHD, if they deviate even a bit from normal.

drklineonline.com

See? People with ADHD have less pretty brains, that's why they're blue.
 
2008-03-26 04:02:44 PM  
I've never seen so many amateur Tom Cruise wannabes in a single Fark thread before.
 
2008-03-26 04:03:39 PM  
The Southern Dandy: Make up an ailment (restless leg syndrome, depression, bpd, ocd)
2. Claim you have the cure.
3. ?
4. Profit


#3: Pay physicians who lost their practice but not their license to provide "research" for you
 
2008-03-26 04:04:02 PM  
Pincy: I've never seen so many amateur Tom Cruise wannabes in a single Fark thread before.

Really? You must be even newer here than I am.

Or perhaps you're not paying attention, hmmm? What color is your brain?
 
2008-03-26 04:04:19 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: People want to be sick so they can be special and get special treatment. The pharmaceutical companies are more than happy to oblige.

We've created an entire nation of disabled people, especially amongst the younger crowd. Don't worry, though, all you have to do is walk in any psychiatrist's office and you, too, can have a diagnosis.

And some meds.

/they'll have to catch me first
//with nets


though a lot of mental disabilities are over diagnosed, if I was to meet you, I think I would have to hit you.

/not trying to be internet tough guy
//you're just ignorant enough to make me want to hit you
 
2008-03-26 04:07:56 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark 2008-03-26 03:54:10 PM
People want to be sick so they can be special and get special treatment. The pharmaceutical companies are more than happy to oblige.

/they'll have to catch me first
//with nets


// well said... there's a real danger letting fatarsed voodoo artists into one's head. Those psycho active drugs lobotomise certain parts of the brain. I've met some folks who have the permanent physical side effects, and their yrs on the drugs? made the symptoms worse too.

there are a small number[.001%] that would require chemical lobotomy, but i hear as many as 25% of americans have had the treatment.

this would however explain why hc is even trying to run, and explains hitleryis44 perfectly.

// not trying to criticise, just say'n Get away from it as if life depended on it & stay away... These shrinks are not your friend! They would just as soon euthanise you more quickly if it were legal.

Rebuilding America
i19.tinypic.com
one nail at a time
 
2008-03-26 04:09:51 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: We've created an entire nation of disabled people, especially amongst the younger crowd. Don't worry, though, all you have to do is walk in any psychiatrist's office and you, too, can have a diagnosis.

This is the gospel truth right here. I know from firsthand experience that all you have to do is say, "yeah, I guess" or "sure, sometimes" to all the questions they ask you, and BOOM - care for some Paxil? May I recommend a nice Zoloft? Perhaps a Prozactini?

It's not even dishonesty on your part considering the questions are along the lines of, "Do you ever have trouble sleeping? Do you feel anxious? Do you ever feel like people are out to get you? Do you ever lash out at loved ones in anger?"

Here's a hint, Doc... If the answers to these questions are "no," your patient is either a pathological liar or a surprisingly lucid corpse. Why not just ask me when I stopped beating my wife?
 
2008-03-26 04:10:57 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: I believe they call that Borderline Personality Disorder, these days - perhaps with a touch of Gender Dysphoria, most likely in the Narcissistic category, as well.

Oh, if we're going to put forward random psychological theories about my wife, I may as well suggest the one that I'm sticking to: she just doesn't like me. Or love me. Or anything, really. But she has such massive paranoid abandonment issues that she'll cling to me like a life-raft in a storm and do whatever she can to stay close and keep me from leaving. Joylessly.
 
2008-03-26 04:14:19 PM  
dc-kid: Atypical Person Reading Fark: People want to be sick so they can be special and get special treatment. The pharmaceutical companies are more than happy to oblige.

We've created an entire nation of disabled people, especially amongst the younger crowd. Don't worry, though, all you have to do is walk in any psychiatrist's office and you, too, can have a diagnosis.

And some meds.

/they'll have to catch me first
//with nets

though a lot of mental disabilities are over diagnosed, if I was to meet you, I think I would have to hit you.

/not trying to be internet tough guy
//you're just ignorant enough to make me want to hit you


A tad irritable, are you?

Exactly what I'm talking about. You have barely controlled violent impulses (which is definitely a disorder) and you like exhibiting in public.

That's just the way it is these days. I'm so happy for you. What is it, anyway? Major depression? Bipolar? Or merely Antisocial? Narcissistic? (since you know so much more than me...that's definitely got to be in the pipe). Narcissists are more likely to be depressed, for obvious reasons - the world just can't measure up.

Oh - I know, I know what you've got! "intermittent explosive disorder."

Wait - it's one of those new ones, isn't it? Dissocial? Maybe a tad Anankastic?

More likely, it's Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder. Oddly, I don't think you have Sadistic Personality Disorder, because wanting to smack me isn't all that unusual. However, expressing that desire or acting on it is, in fact, clearly proof that you have an Axis II diagnosis - ask any shrink.

/Half of all Americans have got something, and I guess they're a tad sensitive about their specialness.
//You'd think that half would start feeling normal, right about now and lose some of the antisocial impulses - but nope.
///can and will list more if you can't find yourself on the list
 
2008-03-26 04:14:24 PM  
i290.photobucket.com
If you can't cure it with Bourbon than you must be....
 
2008-03-26 04:16:03 PM  
make that "then"
 
2008-03-26 04:17:05 PM  
Yes, at her school it is. Every year she gets more and more students because their moms did drugs or drank alcohol when they were pregnant with them. These are birth defects for most of the students she teaches.


I really do not believe in this. Me and my siblings range in age from 36 to 41, our mother smoke, and drank with all of us. It was the norm back in the 60's and 70's believe it or not. People did it all the time back then. It doesn't make you behave poorly in school. A birth defect is something like a missing anus or skin like a potato, not poor paying attention skills.
 
2008-03-26 04:19:37 PM  
This: Atypical Person Reading Fark: I believe they call that Borderline Personality Disorder, these days - perhaps with a touch of Gender Dysphoria, most likely in the Narcissistic category, as well.

Oh, if we're going to put forward random psychological theories about my wife, I may as well suggest the one that I'm sticking to: she just doesn't like me. Or love me. Or anything, really. But she has such massive paranoid abandonment issues that she'll cling to me like a life-raft in a storm and do whatever she can to stay close and keep me from leaving. Joylessly.


My theory wasn't random; but I like yours much better (apparently this topic of mental diagnostics gets to people, not sure why).

Having massive abandonment issues is a chief symptom of Borderline Personality Disorder, btw. Indeed, that's number one on the DSM-IV-TR criteria:

Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment.

Borderline's are usually said to be incapable of love, they have a pervasive feeling of emotional emptiness. In the more minor forms, it's sometimes called "mercurial" personality, as they can love and hate someone all in the same day.

Anyway, I feel for you. And I'm going to believe you too - if you say she doesn't love you, I'm guessing that's true. I'm sure you can get someone to try and prove to you that she does love you, but frankly, if you're not feeling loved - she's not doing it right.

Here's some hyperbole, since the thread is full of it: there's very little in life harder than getting out of a relationship with a person with severe abandonment issues (no matter what you want to call it, as a personality type).
 
2008-03-26 04:20:42 PM  
This 2008-03-26 04:10:57 PM
Atypical Person Reading Fark: I believe they call that Borderline Personality Disorder, these days - perhaps with a touch of Gender Dysphoria, most likely in the Narcissistic category, as well.

Oh, if we're going to put forward random psychological theories about my wife, I may as well suggest the one that I'm sticking to: she just doesn't like me. Or love me. Or anything, really. But she has such massive paranoid abandonment issues that she'll cling to me like a life-raft in a storm and do whatever she can to stay close and keep me from leaving. Joylessly."


// well, most of your battle is won, She won't leave and wants to stay by your side...Thats a very good asset for both.

start going into challenging situations with Her, create them at home...join a sailing club, go camping..hiking.
start up a Pub...
you have an excellent chance of success :)
Because She won't run away.
 
2008-03-26 04:26:00 PM  
JSTACAT: start going into challenging situations with Her, create them at home...join a sailing club, go camping..hiking.
start up a Pub...
you have an excellent chance of success :)
Because She won't run away.


That kind of works, actually. When we take up a challenge, she loses the biatchy. Focus moves to teamwork and getting stuff done instead of getting angry over minutae.

The other part - the romance? Yeah, still dead.
 
2008-03-26 04:26:31 PM  
I have restless third leg syndrome.
 
2008-03-26 04:37:14 PM  
Frankly, I started on antidepressants for a fairly simple reason: keeping up my consciousness. It's not quite normal for a young person to be almost continuously (half) asleep. And I must say, they've worked reasonably well.
 
2008-03-26 04:45:29 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: Pincy: I've never seen so many amateur Tom Cruise wannabes in a single Fark thread before.

Really? You must be even newer here than I am.

Or perhaps you're not paying attention, hmmm? What color is your brain?


Don't be glib, you're being glib.
 
2008-03-26 04:46:27 PM  
slaughterama: I have restless third leg syndrome.

I think the aforementioned $100 cop/hooker/therapist may have a treatment for that.
 
2008-03-26 04:48:24 PM  
ThisOh, if we're going to put forward random psychological theories about my wife, I may as well suggest the one that I'm sticking to: she just doesn't like me. Or love me. Or anything, really. But she has such massive paranoid abandonment issues that she'll cling to me like a life-raft in a storm and do whatever she can to stay close and keep me from leaving. Joylessly.

My theory wasn't random; but I like yours much better (apparently this topic of mental diagnostics gets to people, not sure why).

Here I was going to ream Atypical Person for diagnosing a PD over the internet, but....

Do some research about Borderline Personality. And if she is, I really feel for you. Oh, and reason people shouldn't diagnose without a really good knowledge of the person--because they don't know what the fark they're doing. Any mental issue just is diagnosed as the "disorder of the week." bipolar, anyone?

JSTACAT: // well, most of your battle is won, She won't leave and wants to stay by your side...Thats a very good asset for both.

start going into challenging situations with Her, create them at home...join a sailing club, go camping..hiking.
start up a Pub...
you have an excellent chance of success :)
Because She won't run away.


You've never been stalked, have you? And look up "anhedonia", another common symptom of persons with personality disorders.

/Took me four years to divorce my BPD husband.
//He rarely spoke to me, in seven years of marriage.
 
2008-03-26 04:52:30 PM  
This ::

// I totally wish you 2 the best. You have what a lot of people don't [if the thred is any ind]
You have a proven method to change someting about the moods of life. And, you tried someting real, on your own.
keep the pressure on :) it will create the Love as a side effect.
 
2008-03-26 04:54:44 PM  
cryinoutloud: anhedonia

Just looked that up on wikipedia. Wow, that would suck, hard. Funny, though - it seems to have two conflicting definitions. The former being a chemical problem (unable to feel pleasure) and the latter being more of a personality problem (uninterested in obtaining pleasure). The former would be genuinely horrible... the latter is something you see in a lot of people (my wife included).

You know how it is - like people with social anxieties who constantly avoid social situations, even ones with their friends... but inevitably have a wonderful time relaxing with said friends when coaxed into it.
 
2008-03-26 04:59:29 PM  
Half of Americans are in some way mentally ill

That explains this:

tbn0.google.com
 
2008-03-26 05:03:52 PM  
cryinoutloud :
You've never been stalked, have you? And look up "anhedonia", another common symptom of persons with personality disorders.

/Took me four years to divorce my BPD husband.
//He rarely spoke to me, in seven years of marriage."



// he was a rebellious man...Has been a Truculent child so long that he's frozen in that state.

i have been stalked... pretend to enjoy it & they fail...
thats hard to do when you want to hate & they deserve it...on the other hand its cool to watch them move to the other side of the country, worth all the work.

americans have it so easie! food & shelter pretty much universal even if no effort applied.
If those drives arn't redirected, then a person may implode.

America needs to get back to some type of farming &/or serious gardening, being close to their own personal land.

Being in a concrete zoo & forced to sit all the time is enough to make people feel disconnected & ... crazy.
 
2008-03-26 05:04:18 PM  
Im sure its been said here already, but OF COURSE half the American population is mentally ill... women prove that every day with thier driving.
 
2008-03-26 05:09:00 PM  
MikeMc: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Pincy: I've never seen so many amateur Tom Cruise wannabes in a single Fark thread before.

Really? You must be even newer here than I am.

Or perhaps you're not paying attention, hmmm? What color is your brain?

Don't be glib, you're being glib.


Who died and put you in charge of glibness?

/oh wait, I forgot, Fark is for serious bidness.


JSTACAT: Being in a concrete zoo & forced to sit all the time is enough to make people feel disconnected & ... crazy.

Interesting theory. But I swear, people seek it out. The craziness and the concrete, the paranoia and the depression.
 
2008-03-26 05:15:27 PM  
Weed is the only medicine I need in life, fark all the rest.
 
2008-03-26 05:16:08 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark 2008-03-26 05:09:00 PM
.JSTACAT: Being in a concrete zoo & forced to sit all the time is enough to make people feel disconnected & ... crazy.

Interesting theory. But I swear, people seek it out. The craziness and the concrete, the paranoia and the depression.""

// good point, that is sold to us through media...
kids are supressed at an early age, in the name of safety.
i was lucky to have some farm life...
its been stolen from most of today's youth.

its gonna be another scientific DuH Oh!~ that people need land to be responsible for, and people need to have animals in their lives.
and that going to cities for fun or profit is a bad habit that should be limited.

our social structures are way outdated... like a bad shoe, it cripples us.
 
2008-03-26 05:22:47 PM  
Sarah Jessica Farker: ThatGuyGreg: Humean_Nature: /I have NEVER met anyone who claims to have Restless Legs.

I do very occasionally, but I generally take it as a sign that I need to go to sleep.

I have had "the jimmy legs" in the past, but the thing that cured it for me was to get off my farking ass and walk around for 30-60 minutes 3 or 4 times a week.


It usually means I'm going to lose the "win a Wii" radio contest and decided to not die and just pee
 
2008-03-26 05:25:03 PM  
Savage Belief: Since my wife got on the medical marijuana she has stopped about half of her medications.

...and started eating the other mood enhancer...potato chips
 
2008-03-26 05:32:11 PM  
Compulsive Liar 1986: Half of Americans are in some way mentally ill

definitely not news.


"42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot."
 
2008-03-26 05:34:47 PM  
"My real problems were the people around me. I got rid of them, and even tho I'm hard as hell to deal with sometimes with occasional, unpredicatable swings of emotion and behavior.. I can function perfectly fine in society. I know my triggers and I know the signs of when my mental state is going to switch and I adjust accordingly."

OMG...THIS. I just got divorced from "she who must not be named" a couple of months ago and I realised that the troubles I was dealing with were mostly due to her. I at least was able to clearly see who I was and what I needed to work on in myself instead of being berated 24x7 because she wouldnt take her meds (diagnosed bipolar, possible borderline schizophrenia). Her affairs and manic behavior for weeks on end did'nt help much either.

Our kid thanks me for leaving her too. He lives with me now, thank God.

What I'm trying to say is this: 1) Many of our problems are environmental, and 2) Run like hell from anyone on bipolar meds!

/ya, gonna get flamed. Don't care, you should have been in my shoes for the past 15 years
 
2008-03-26 05:39:38 PM  
Death_Poot: "My real problems were the people around me. I got rid of them, and even tho I'm hard as hell to deal with sometimes with occasional, unpredicatable swings of emotion and behavior.. I can function perfectly fine in society. I know my triggers and I know the signs of when my mental state is going to switch and I adjust accordingly."

OMG...THIS. I just got divorced from "she who must not be named" a couple of months ago and I realised that the troubles I was dealing with were mostly due to her. I at least was able to clearly see who I was and what I needed to work on in myself instead of being berated 24x7 because she wouldnt take her meds (diagnosed bipolar, possible borderline schizophrenia). Her affairs and manic behavior for weeks on end did'nt help much either.

Our kid thanks me for leaving her too. He lives with me now, thank God.

What I'm trying to say is this: 1) Many of our problems are environmental, and 2) Run like hell from anyone on bipolar meds!

/ya, gonna get flamed. Don't care, you should have been in my shoes for the past 15 years


Yeah, as unfortunate as it is, I hear the words "depacote" or "giadon" and I think 'abort! abort! abort!'
 
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