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2008-03-26 04:54:26 PM  
BojanglesPaladin: WTF? Forget Wright. Forget the false claims of him being Muslim.

If it is true that he has accepted support from an actual bona fide terrorist group member, particularly a Weatherman why isn't THAT getting coverage?

I have not heard this before and will now have to go and verify the facts and details, but if it true, then it radically changes my opinion of the man.


The former Weatherman is on the Board for the University of Chicago. He is a real militant alright.
 
2008-03-26 04:54:33 PM  
Lee Jackson Beauregard: Remember, boys and girls:

* "God damn America for treating its citizens as less than human" -- BAD.

* "God damn America for not hatesing them feelthy queers" -- GOOD.


Didn't know any Farkers were members of that weirdo Westboro church. Huh.... weird.

Shaggy_C: Why isn't Thomas Sowell called out on being in an ivory-tower? Has he ever held a job outside of academia?

He was born in North Carolina and grew up in Harlem, he did not graduate high school. Had several rough years before he joined the Marines and became a photographer in the Korean War.

blah blah blah, magna cum laude from Harvard University, Colombia, PhD UC, all that white tower academic nonsense... then he got jobs working the Dept of Labor and AT&T before doing that white tower academic stuff again.

Seems like just a paragon of a white tower academic who has lived an isolated, pampered existance.

/straight face


"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." - Thomas Sowell
 
2008-03-26 04:55:41 PM  
TFA: Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much audacity it may have.

This, of course, is the opposite of what Obama actually said.
 
2008-03-26 04:56:07 PM  
BojanglesPaladin: WTF? Forget Wright. Forget the false claims of him being Muslim.

If it is true that he has accepted support from an actual bona fide terrorist group member, particularly a Weatherman why isn't THAT getting coverage?

I have not heard this before and will now have to go and verify the facts and details, but if it true, then it radically changes my opinion of the man.


It's gotten coverage. You're weeks behind the talking-point curve.
 
2008-03-26 04:56:28 PM  
Relatively Obscure: Yeah, all of the "Uncle Tom" snarks about the authorare a more than a little silly.

No they're not. Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele are the archetypal Uncle Toms. At least Shelby Steel has enough backbone to call himself a conservative. Sowell is one of those Diet Libertarians that hasn't come to grips with the fact that his views are entirely conservative.
 
2008-03-26 04:57:44 PM  
Degree Absolute: If the Democrats do take power, some things are bound to get better, but other things are bound to get worse. Bank on it.

Perhaps, but that hardly says it all, now does it? I think that it very much matters which things get better and which things get worse. As a simple example, if my taxes were to go up but the right of Habeus Corpus were returned to its pristine state, I would consider the net effect to be a significant qalitative improvement even though something did, indeed, get better while something else got worse.

In like manner, it's not at all certain that the quantitative difference would be the same. It might be the, for instance, that with one party a few things would get better and many things would get worse and that with the other party the quantities would be reversed.

In short, I think your contention is a little simplistic and more than a little cynical.
 
2008-03-26 04:58:06 PM  
There was a time when the Ku Klux Klan's words had a resonance among whites, not only in the South but in other states. Some people joined the KKK in order to advance their political careers. Did that make it OK? Is it all just a matter of whose ox is gored?

AAAAAAAaand were done here! I made it through 80% of a NRO article, a new record. The rev has a long way to go before he gets to dropping H-0nky bombs and screaming for the death of Crackers durring his sermons but hey there Mr. Black Historian.....nice try!
 
2008-03-26 05:02:50 PM  
LargeCanine: Seems like just a paragon of a white tower academic who has lived an isolated, pampered existance.

/straight face


"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." - Thomas Sowell


Yep. You seem to know a little about Sowell. Would you agree that he is one of the biggest racist authors on the planet? If he were white he would not be taken seriously because what he says is stereotypical racist drivel. Since he is black, the Conservatives march him out as some kind of expert on racial relations.

And while we are at it, we have really given those European Socialist an ass kicking lately. What is the value of the dollar against the Euro again? Farking failures.
 
2008-03-26 05:03:37 PM  
bikerific: This, of course, is the opposite of what Obama actually said.

And what Wright has said.
 
2008-03-26 05:04:43 PM  
"I remember Alan Keyes . . . I remember him using this in his campaign against me," Obama said in reference to the conservative firebrand who ran against him for the U.S. Senate in 2004. Sex education for kindergarteners had become an issue in his race against Keyes because of Obama's work on the issue as chairman of the health committee in the Illinois state Senate.

"'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,'" said Obama mimicking Keyes' distinctive style of speech. "Which -- I didn't know what to tell him (laughter)."

"But it's the right thing to do," Obama continued, "to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools."

So you couldn't find it on the official campaign site, either?

Anyway, his statement above is encouraging and laudible, but does he say this now? As a Presidential hopeful? Because I just don't see it on his site and I certainly have not heard him repeat this belief lately. As the candidacy of Mr. McCain (and about 1,000 other politicians throughout the last few decades) shows us, it is not about what one says during past (possibly more easily won campaigns, wherein riskier statements were okay), it is about what one is willing to fight for now, while trying to win this presidential election.
 
2008-03-26 05:04:50 PM  
Would you agree that he is one of the biggest racist authors on the planet?

Source? I'm very curious to see this.
 
2008-03-26 05:07:46 PM  
So, basically, Obama is sooooo far left of the last 28 years of conservative/reactionary elected mofficials, that they should all be reeeeeaaallly scared. Perfect. They are finally right about something. He's got my vote.
 
2008-03-26 05:08:45 PM  
DaSwankOne: Degree Absolute: See this is what is wrong with America right here: people who think their particular party has all the answers. Your party does not have all the answers, neither does theirs. But please don't trust me, trust history.

If the Democrats do take power, some things are bound to get better, but other things are bound to get worse. Bank on it.

Please point me to the part of my post (or any post) where I said the Democrats have all of the answers.


I point to the spirit of your post which insinuated that once November comes (and the Democrats take power) you will no longer have to deal with ideas and people that push you outside your political comfort zone. This is the same spirit that Republicans had after the 2000 and 2004 elections and evidence of the damage it causes is clear from political polarization of this country.
 
2008-03-26 05:11:07 PM  
BoozePenguin: Source? I'm very curious to see this.

Black Rednecks & White Liberals
? Have you read it? The only difference between Wright and Sowell is that Sowell blames blacks and white liberals for all of the problems in the black community and Wright blames the rich white man. His books are filled with the stereotypical black gang banger. HAve you honestly ever read his books. They are more than enough source.
 
2008-03-26 05:11:13 PM  
SherKhan: Sammy Jenkins:

How long are they going to beat this dead horse?

9 months, give or take. Just enough time for the Antichrist to be born.


Chelsea's pregnant?
 
2008-03-26 05:11:48 PM  
BoozePenguin: Source? I'm very curious to see this.

Source? Try Sowell's body of work. Try Black Rednecks and White Liberals, which I was only able to force myself through with the assistance of vodka. I had to f*cking drink straight vodka to keep myself from throwing the book through a window, it was so wretched. I had never seen another black author so unashamedly drop his pants and sh*t on black people, until I read that book.

To his credit, though, his book The Einstein Syndrome was fairly good.
 
2008-03-26 05:11:53 PM  
DaSwankOne: And while we are at it, we have really given those European Socialist an ass kicking lately. What is the value of the dollar against the Euro again? Farking failures.

You know... The Fed is part of a central planning committee and has very little to do with a free market. I don't think holding up government bailouts, fiat currency, government subsidies, and corrupt bankers backed by the Fed is a very good way to make a case for socialist central planning of an economy.
 
2008-03-26 05:12:56 PM  
otherginger: Anyway, his statement above is encouraging and laudible, but does he say this now?

Yes. See here.
 
2008-03-26 05:13:16 PM  
Degree Absolute: I point to the spirit of your post which insinuated that once November comes (and the Democrats take power) you will no longer have to deal with ideas and people that push you outside your political comfort zone.

No, the spirit is that once we win in November we can finally stop with the Obama has no ideas meme.
 
2008-03-26 05:13:24 PM  
Should've checked women's issues.

Where is the women's issues tab under issues on Obama's official campaign site? That's what I was looking at. The last tab I see is "Veterans" but I don't see "Women's" under that. And why is this is
Women's Issue?

I am not saying he didn't cosponsor the bill you quoted or that he is not pro-sex ed, I'm just saying he doesn't spell out his position on his campaign site, at least not that I found. I mean, wouldn't you look under health or education to find out how he stands on the issue?

Again, maybe I'm just not browsing his official campaign site correctly.
 
2008-03-26 05:14:03 PM  
Some 'Splainin' To Do: if my taxes were to go up but the right of Habeus Corpus were returned to its pristine state

The Democrats certainly will raise taxes (while hopefully cutting spending), but it remains to be seen if they have the political will (and cojones) to challenge Republicans on what they deemed vital for national security. I hope that I see a full restoration of my rights, but I won't hold my breath.
 
2008-03-26 05:14:10 PM  
DaSwankOne

He's an economist so i stick to his economics works. I honestly haven't.

His books are filled with the stereotypical black gang banger

Aren't your prisons also?

www.prisonpolicy.org
 
2008-03-26 05:17:19 PM  
LibertyFirst: You know... The Fed is part of a central planning committee and has very little to do with a free market. I don't think holding up government bailouts, fiat currency, government subsidies, and corrupt bankers backed by the Fed is a very good way to make a case for socialist central planning of an economy.

So it is the Fed's fault that they are having to bail out the free market? Brilliant.
 
2008-03-26 05:18:15 PM  
GWShenlong05: Relatively Obscure: Yeah, all of the "Uncle Tom" snarks about the authorare a more than a little silly.

No they're not. Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele are the archetypal Uncle Toms. At least Shelby Steel has enough backbone to call himself a conservative. Sowell is one of those Diet Libertarians that hasn't come to grips with the fact that his views are entirely conservative.


Legalizing Drugs

Criticizing Militant US Foreign Policy

And Criticizing the war on drugs

Yeah he is firmly conservative asstard.

Some of my favorite quotes

The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics."

"One of the most fashionable notions of our times is that social problems like poverty and oppression breed wars. Most wars, however, are started by well-fed people with time on their hands to dream up half-baked ideologies or grandiose ambitions, and to nurse real or imagined grievances."

"Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face."

"One of the sad signs of our times is that we have demonized those who produce, subsidized those who refuse to produce, and canonized those who complain"

No matter how disastrously some policy has turned out, anyone who criticizes it can expect to hear: "But what would you replace it with?" When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?

Many bad policies are simply good policies taken too far.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.

What "multiculturalism" boils down to is that you can praise any culture in the world except Western culture-and you cannot blame any culture in the world except Western culture.

Implicit in the activist conception of government is the assumption that you can take the good things in a complex system for granted, and just improve the things that are not so good. What is lacking in this conception is any sense that a society, an institution, or even a single human being, is an intricate system of fragile inter-relationships, whose complexities are little understood and easily destabilized.

Anyone who is serious about extending the same benefits to others must become serious about developing the same abilities in others-that is, raising them up to the same standards, not bringing the standards down to them.

Most people who read "The Communist Manifesto" probably have no idea that it was written by a couple of young men who had never worked a day in their lives, and who nevertheless spoke boldly in the name of "the workers." Similar offspring of inherited wealth have repeatedly provided the leadership of radical movements, with similar pretenses of speaking for "the people

Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.

You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing

"The problem isn't that Johnny can't read. The problem isn't even that Johnny can't think. The problem is that Johnny doesn't know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling."
 
2008-03-26 05:19:05 PM  
Nabb1: Heaven forbid he be allowed to think for himself.

Having read the first few paragraphs of the article--I got to the part where he declared "politically active black students" to be "members of the anti-American, counter-cultural Left" before giving up--I would have to conclude that Thomas Sowell doesn't think sowell.

Signed,
Councilman Les Winan
 
2008-03-26 05:19:30 PM  
There is neither a face nor a palm large enough to fully encompass my feelings on this subject.
 
2008-03-26 05:20:03 PM  
LibertyFirst: DaSwankOne: And while we are at it, we have really given those European Socialist an ass kicking lately. What is the value of the dollar against the Euro again? Farking failures.

You know... The Fed is part of a central planning committee and has very little to do with a free market. I don't think holding up government bailouts, fiat currency, government subsidies, and corrupt bankers backed by the Fed is a very good way to make a case for socialist central planning of an economy.


Or you can look at 70 plus years of not having a global depression as a sign of there success.
 
2008-03-26 05:20:30 PM  
BoozePenguin: Aren't your prisons also?

So all blacks are criminals? You are aware that over 75% of all blacks in prison are in as a conciquence of the War on Drugs and not for violent crime? When Wright brings this up he is a racist, but when you post that chart you are just being honest right?
 
2008-03-26 05:21:35 PM  
So Thomas Sowell's basic theory is that he only learned things from people he agreed with 100%?

That would explain why his article, his logic and his argument are all painfully ignorant.
 
2008-03-26 05:21:57 PM  
DaSwankOne: Degree Absolute: I point to the spirit of your post which insinuated that once November comes (and the Democrats take power) you will no longer have to deal with ideas and people that push you outside your political comfort zone.

No, the spirit is that once we win in November we can finally stop with the Obama has no ideas meme.


Why can't we stop that right now? If you have heard him articulate his policy, please fill me in. Don't direct me to his website though. I don't want to see some fluffy bullshiat one of his staffers dreamed up and that Obama will never follow through on. I want to hear what was important enough to him that he thought it necessary to articulate publicly.
 
2008-03-26 05:22:22 PM  
Stryyder: What "multiculturalism" boils down to is that you can praise any culture in the world except Western culture-and you cannot blame any culture in the world except Western culture.

I thought Conservatives hate modern Western culture and blame everything on foreigners, young people, and premarital sex because things were much better in the good old days of the 1950s.
 
2008-03-26 05:23:43 PM  
Stryyder:

You left out the quote when he defended the cops for beating Rodney King.
 
2008-03-26 05:25:38 PM  
Degree Absolute: I want to hear what was important enough to him that he thought it necessary to articulate publicly.

This is long, but you can watch it whenever you want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yVlPqeZwo
 
2008-03-26 05:26:16 PM  
Degree Absolute: Why can't we stop that right now? If you have heard him articulate his policy, please fill me in. Don't direct me to his website though. I don't want to see some fluffy bullshiat one of his staffers dreamed up and that Obama will never follow through on. I want to hear what was important enough to him that he thought it necessary to articulate publicly.

I went to hear him speak in Houston and he laid out many of the same policies you can read about on his website. GO to YouTube if you are too lazy to read. There are many video clips where he outlines policy. I guess the meme is more important the the truth to you though. Kepp up the hard fight. Lying ain't easy.
 
2008-03-26 05:28:52 PM  
FishingWithFredo: Thomas Sowell may be one of America's greatest thinkers.

What is your objective system for measuring think-greatness?
 
2008-03-26 05:29:01 PM  
DaSwankOne

So all blacks are criminals?

What?! Care to re-read my comment?

I said aren't your prisons disproportionately full of blacks?

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/sayitloud/kane726

or what, is black on black violence a racist myth?

I'm still waiting for just one of them to look straight into a television camera and say to black America what King said 49 years ago:

"Our crime rate is too high."
 
2008-03-26 05:29:41 PM  
Oh man this "Reverend" Wright just keeps on delivering.


"The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."

Guess Obama didn't know about that one either
 
2008-03-26 05:31:57 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: Oh man this "Reverend" Wright just keeps on delivering.


"The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."

Guess Obama didn't know about that one either


Honestly though, Wright could say that he sleeps with Bin Laden, how would that effect Obama?

I mean then you would have to measure Mccain against Haggey and Falwell.
 
2008-03-26 05:32:39 PM  
Stryyder:

If you look down the backside of a leprechaun you might find some gold, but you probably won't.

People that can not find Yugoslavia on a map better get directions if they want to drive there.

I find it hard to imagine that someone would stick a metal object in a light socket, but they do.

Toast gets darker the longer you leave it in a hot toaster oven.

Conservatives are not for conservation and liberals drink too many libations.

See, I can make up a whole bunch of stupid statements too. Some of them might be true even.
 
2008-03-26 05:32:44 PM  
barjockey: Oh fark it. I can't vote for any of 'em.

You're a felon?
 
2008-03-26 05:33:22 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: Oh man this "Reverend" Wright just keeps on delivering.


"The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."

Guess Obama didn't know about that one either


Watch in awe as this Italian doesn't care.
 
2008-03-26 05:34:04 PM  
All2morrowsparTs:
Honestly though, Wright could say that he sleeps with Bin Laden, how would that effect Obama?

I mean then you would have to measure Mccain against Haggey and Falwell.


and if Haggey and/or Falwell were McCains spiritual adviser, mentor, father figure, wrote the foreword to his book you would have a point
 
2008-03-26 05:34:11 PM  
BoozePenguin: I said aren't your prisons disproportionately full of blacks?

I pointed out that most of them are minor offenders.
 
2008-03-26 05:34:48 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf:

Watch in awe as this Italian doesn't care.


Of course not.
 
2008-03-26 05:35:35 PM  
Most importantly....

Is that the lovely Iga in the right hand column ad?
i183.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-26 05:35:47 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: Hideously Gigantic Smurf:

Watch in awe as this Italian doesn't care.

Of course not.


You mean Italians eat a lot of garlic? I did not know this.
 
2008-03-26 05:36:14 PM  
Degree Absolute: Some 'Splainin' To Do: if my taxes were to go up but the right of Habeus Corpus were returned to its pristine state

The Democrats certainly will raise taxes (while hopefully cutting spending), but it remains to be seen if they have the political will (and cojones) to challenge Republicans on what they deemed vital for national security. I hope that I see a full restoration of my rights, but I won't hold my breath.


My examples were, of course, hypothetical. That seemed reasonable given that the portion of your argument that I was responding to was based on a hypothetical contention.

If we want to discuss this particular point, I won't claim to be clairvoyant. I do think, however, that it is far more likely that a Democratic administration would be willing to roll back the errosion of our rights than a Republican administration and that even a partial rollback would be better than none at all.

In any case, I continue to reject the equivilence that you argued as being too simplistic and cynical.
 
2008-03-26 05:36:17 PM  
It's really far more painful watching the people who don't want Obama to be President fail miserably beating this dead horse.

Sowell's stooping pretty low. It just shows what a whore for hire he is.

Stick to your Randian economics, asshole.
 
2008-03-26 05:36:22 PM  
DaSwankOne

Yet black on black violence is a huge problem. So what, is that stereotype rooted in high violent crime rates of which blacks are the primary victims, or is it a racist myth?

NOBODY said blacks are all criminals, but you really don't think there is a problem with violent crime in the black community? Or is it all just overblown racist hype?

You said stereotypical black gang bangers. What do they not exist? Do they not harm blacks often? is it not a serious problem?
 
2008-03-26 05:37:10 PM  
DaSwankOne:

You mean Italians eat a lot of garlic? I did not know this.


Yep, just like blacks eat a lot of (insert your own here). I am sure Rev Wright wouldn't have a problem with anyone making that stereotype either
 
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