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(National Review)   It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious   (article.nationalreview.com) divider line 577
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2008-03-26 02:56:28 PM  
The Billdozer:
Yeah, I guess its much better that some of them think the "Free Tibet" movement is just a scheme to undermine the great socialist/Communist Utopian ideas that China is supposed to live under, right?

You are without a doubt one of the more aluminum foil wrapped farkers around.

Not as wrapped as you think....


Obviously a lone protestor with a sign constitutes an entire movement.
 
2008-03-26 02:56:30 PM  
barjockey:

Now I've "THREATENED" someone with my deadly opinion ray.

www.tottvwatch.com

An deadly opinion ray killed my father.
 
2008-03-26 02:57:47 PM  
Swampthing in Korea: So slur throwing is a legitimate response to someone you disagree with?

The definition of an 'Uncle Tom' is a black person who holds views and supports policy detrimental to their own race, often as a means to get themselves ahead in the world.
 
2008-03-26 02:58:08 PM  
Fart_Machine: Obviously a lone protestor with a sign constitutes an entire movement.

I think that lady is just walking by...
 
2008-03-26 02:59:21 PM  
LOL SherKhan
 
2008-03-26 02:59:40 PM  
Nestea Plunge: So, what you are saying is that we've had 43 delusional presidents in a row...why change with 44?

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.


lol JeffersOWNEDian Democrat!
 
2008-03-26 02:59:40 PM  
So is the Republican party responsible for every nutty thing Pat Robertson, John Hagee, Jerry Falwell, and James Dobson said since they actively endorsed the GOP every election year for the last several decades? Why should we vote for a party that seeks the assistance of people who spew such hate and blame America for Katrina and 9/11?
 
2008-03-26 02:59:45 PM  
SherKhan: An deadly opinion ray killed my father.

And a Neocon Dingo took my democracy.
 
2008-03-26 03:00:08 PM  
Jesus, we're just greenlighting anything anti-Obama from NRO in some sad attempt for "balance" these days.
 
2008-03-26 03:00:29 PM  
glaurunge: pvd021: defend what? His pastor is a blatant racist? Yeah he is. Doesn't mean Barack is. He himself admitted and admonished the fact that his pastor is a racist.

Oh please. Can someone please tell me what leads you think Wright is a racist? I think the way Whites' bristle at the thought that America had been an officially racist country for most of its history is a lot more revealing than anything Wright said in that little excerpt they keep on playing 24/7 on Faux News.

You can get a better idea of the points he was making if you watch a fuller version here on Youtube (new window not a rickroll).


Wow. That was powerful. I had tears running down my cheeks...
 
2008-03-26 03:00:38 PM  
Lando Lincoln: barjockey: barjockey: The point is, in what realm of possibility would Obama ever admit that he heard THOSE® remarks? He heard controversial remarks for years to the point of which he responded "Sure" rather non-chalantly given the frequency of Rev. Wright's inflammatory rhetoric. But somehow, he was mysteriously absent on the seperate occasions in which THOSE® remarks were made. He never heard THOSE® remarks second-hand either. Had no clue.

YEAH FARKING RIGHT!

What, we're recycling now? Geez, we're really progressive here on Fark.

Well, okay, since you didn't respond to it in the last thread...

Lando Lincoln: Exactly how many "separate" occasions are we talking about? Two? Three?

So 52 sermons a year, multiplied by 20 years...

Out of 1,040 sermons you find it hard to believe that Obama did not hear about .002% of them?

YEAH FARKING RIGHT!



No - I find it hard to believe taht given Obama's non-chalant response of "sure" when questioned about Wright's tendency to get controversial, that he hadn't heard the exact same remarks time and time again. When video surfaced of these particular remarks, of course he's going to say he didn't hear them. I bet he did. And I bet he heard them said in more ways than one, and multiple times. A pastor capable of screaming this type of rhetoric to his congregation ain't scared to do it over and over. That's his bit - his act. Are we to believe that:

A) The only times that Wright made these particular remarks or something obviously similar was only when audio/video were being taken?

B) That those two particular times that Wright "happened" to make "those" remarks when the elusive audio/video was recording, Obama was nowhere to be found?

C) In twenty years time, Wright only made "those" remarks when their were recordings of him doing it and Obama was completely clueless? Twenty years?

I'm guessing that Wright's rhetoric is the rule not the exception; and that a live recording on any given Sunday would probably paint an eerily similar picture.

/thank you for actually responding to my post
 
2008-03-26 03:00:54 PM  
DarnoKonrad: Where does this NRO 'piece' rank on Obama bingo? Have there been any wieners yet?

This was too clean and nice a piece to really snag the good ones. The only smear I got was 'Most liberal senator', though it hinted at "Racist" and "Hates America" with a nice tinge of "Socialist" as well.
 
2008-03-26 03:01:14 PM  
Shaggy_C: The definition of an 'Uncle Tom' is a black person who holds views and supports policy detrimental to their own race, often as a means to get themselves ahead in the world.

as opposed to one of these bastards!
i28.tinypic.com
 
2008-03-26 03:01:27 PM  
America is full of anti-Americans! someone do something!

Obama could wear a pope hat with a picture of Pastor Wright on it during the entire General Election cycle and he would still beat McCain who looks more and more like a senile Morlock every day.
 
2008-03-26 03:01:27 PM  
The Billdozer: Not as wrapped as you think....

I miss the days when Rosie O'Donnell was the face of ultimate evil.
 
2008-03-26 03:01:33 PM  
SherKhan: barjockey:

Now I've "THREATENED" someone with my deadly opinion ray.



An deadly opinion ray killed my father.


Hell called. You're late.
 
2008-03-26 03:02:45 PM  
Headso: as opposed to one of these bastards!

That is an American HeroTM and don't you forget it!
 
2008-03-26 03:03:59 PM  
barjockey:

You're late.

Oh yeah? Well... you're water broke!
 
2008-03-26 03:04:39 PM  
barjockey we admire your vaunted powers of deduction and all, but perhaps you could point out for me what was so bad about Rev. Wright's speeches that Obama should be pressed to denounce him at all.
 
2008-03-26 03:05:50 PM  
barjockey:

I'm guessing that Wright's rhetoric is the rule not the exception; and that a live recording on any given Sunday would probably paint an eerily similar picture.



If you youtube his sermons (and there are A LOT) you will see that these comments ARE the exception and NOT the rule.
 
2008-03-26 03:06:30 PM  
You're? And that's after an deadly.

I'm raping grammar today.

www.rd.com
 
2008-03-26 03:06:36 PM  
barjockey: I'm guessing that Wright's rhetoric is the rule not the exception; and that a live recording on any given Sunday would probably paint an eerily similar picture.

Well hell, why didn't you tell us earlier that you had a guess? There's no reason to debate anymore if barjockey has totally unverifiable opinion to share!
 
2008-03-26 03:07:27 PM  
barjockey: I bet he did. And I bet he heard them said in more ways than one, and multiple times.


barjockey: I'm guessing that Wright's rhetoric is the rule not the exception; and that a live recording on any given Sunday would probably paint an eerily similar picture.


Well, that's practically the same thing as these being true.


I've listened to hours and hours of sermons, now, because I too was curious. Based on what I've heard, I'm going to have to disagree with your "guess."
 
2008-03-26 03:08:04 PM  
I earned my blackness the old fashioned way - by being Jewish.
 
2008-03-26 03:08:19 PM  
EwoksSuck: So is the Republican party responsible for every nutty thing Pat Robertson, John Hagee, Jerry Falwell, and James Dobson said since they actively endorsed the GOP every election year for the last several decades? Why should we vote for a party that seeks the assistance of people who spew such hate and blame America for Katrina and 9/11?

I'm going to say yes. yes they do. I'll change my mind when 'black identity' politics have their own news network, political action think tanks, publishing houses, TeeVee networks, and Churches all over the country that resemble football stadiums.

And a line of fiction books (The Left Behind and Black?) detailing the end of the world at the hands of white people wouldn't be too bad either.
 
2008-03-26 03:08:28 PM  
LibertyFirst: What's the answer then if someone asked it?

Well, since Obama has been a guy who is big on inclusiveness and mending fences with people of all political affiliations and ideologies (which runs counter to current political tactics), I'd say that Jeremiah Wright's divisive speeches have not influenced Obama's thinking to a great extent. Obama goes out of his way to NOT play the race card, so that's another indicator. Obama has said on numerous occasions that he strongly disagrees with Wright's feelings on these controversial topics, so there's another, but you'd have to take Obama's word for it, so that one is kinda out-of-play.

So basically the only thing that Obama has NOT done is to publicly shun this pastor out of his life. And if Obama were to do that simply because he's taking political heat for this guy...well...that's something that would show a distinct lack of character on Obama's part. And I for one am glad that he has not done this.
 
2008-03-26 03:09:13 PM  
SherKhan: I'm raping grammar today.

two LOLs in one thread
 
2008-03-26 03:10:03 PM  
Nabb1: DamnYankees: There is one thing that people on the right are completely incapable of understanding, and a lot of it stems from puritan and religious notions:

It is possible, and even good, to expose yourself to things you don't agree with. To never mingle with people who are different than you and who disagree with you is the height of intellectual and cultural cowardice.

True, but generally people don't pick out a church and go there for two decades because they disagree with what's being preached. God, when is anyone going to admit maybe he made a mistake? He's just human, for crying out loud. Everyone has faults and Obama's no exception. Or, maybe he didn't make a mistake. Maybe he believes all that nonsense.


that is like saying all Catholics saction Pedo sex becuase they refuse to stop attending Catholic churches after finding out there are Pedo Priests.
 
2008-03-26 03:11:23 PM  
All2morrowsparTs: all Catholics saction Pedo sex becuase they refuse to stop attending Catholic churches after finding out there are Pedo Priests.

THIS
 
2008-03-26 03:11:36 PM  
LibertyFirst:

If he disagreed with so much, doesn't believe most of what his pastor said, then why did he stay there? I understand him still loving and being around his misguided grandmother, but he can choose whatever church he wants. He could still be friends with the pastor and pray that his views change, but that doesn't require being a member of his church for 20 years.

I'm not trying to say that Obama is a racist, or a bad person. I think it is strange that he decided to stay in the church.


For some of the same reasons you can expect him to continue working with crazy republicans in areas where he agrees with them. He will look the other way at disagreements in order to make progress in what he believes.
Wright and the church run programs aimed at HIV education, drug rehab, soup kitchens and homeless shelters, as well as reaching out to gays and including them, and above all motivating the black community to stand up for themselves politically.
Apparently Obama cares more about Wright's actions than his words.
 
2008-03-26 03:13:18 PM  
Grabbed this from the other thread. Here's the clearly racist Rev. Wright admonishing a black woman for having second thought about marrying a white man:

Link

/I'm sure he planting these articles and full sermons to deceive us
 
2008-03-26 03:13:24 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: People...

It's real simple...

If you don't want to vote for Obama...

Then DON'T!


And if you do want to vote for Obama, you need to have your head examined.
 
2008-03-26 03:13:59 PM  
img301.imageshack.us
 
2008-03-26 03:15:18 PM  
barjockey: Lando Lincoln: barjockey: barjockey: T

No - I find it hard to believe taht given Obama's non-chalant response of "sure" when questioned about Wright's tendency to get controversial, that he hadn't heard the exact same remarks time and time again. When video surfaced of these particular remarks, of course he's going to say he didn't hear them. I bet he did. And I bet he heard them said in more ways than one, and multiple times. A pastor capable of screaming this type of rhetoric to his congregation ain't scared to do it over and over. That's his bit - his act. Are we to believe that:

A) The only times that Wright made these particular remarks or something obviously similar was only when audio/video were being taken?

B) That those two particular times that Wright "happened" to make "those" remarks when the elusive audio/video was recording, Obama was nowhere to be found?

C) In twenty years time, Wright only made "those" remarks when their were recordings of him doing it and Obama was completely clueless? Twenty years?

I'm guessing that Wright's rhetoric is the rule not the exception; and that a live recording on any given Sunday would probably paint an eerily similar picture.

/thank you for actually responding to my post


Why don't you read the whole video (new window) before talking about Wright's "screaming rhetoric"?
 
2008-03-26 03:15:29 PM  
barjockey:
A) The only times that Wright made these particular remarks or something obviously similar was only when audio/video were being taken?

B) That those two particular times that Wright "happened" to make "those" remarks when the elusive audio/video was recording, Obama was nowhere to be found?

C) In twenty years time, Wright only made "those" remarks when their were recordings of him doing it and Obama was completely clueless? Twenty years?

I'm guessing that Wright's rhetoric is the rule not the exception; and that a live recording on any given Sunday would probably paint an eerily similar picture.


You are aware that every sermon from TUCC for at least the last 15 years has been on broadcast television in the Chicago area, and replayed on African-American centered cable/sat networks like TV One. Not sure if anyone has all of them recorded, but you'd think we'd start getting hours and hours of it if there were hours and hours to be had.
 
2008-03-26 03:16:00 PM  
EvilTwinSkipster: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: People...

It's real simple...

If you don't want to vote for Obama...

Then DON'T!

And if you do want to vote for Obama, you need to have your head examined.


media4.dropshots.com
"I hated Obama before it was cool!"
 
2008-03-26 03:16:09 PM  
SherKhan: I'm raping grammar today.

You're no worse than Obama. He threw his under a bus.
 
2008-03-26 03:16:12 PM  
glaurunge: Why don't you read the whole video

Heh. How many pages is it? ;)
 
2008-03-26 03:16:47 PM  
Donald_McRonald: You're no worse than Obama. He threw his under a bus.

Okay. I lol'd. I admit it.
 
2008-03-26 03:17:01 PM  
clgrin: /I'm sure he planting these articles and full sermons to deceive us

B Hussein created this whole pastor ruse as an attempt to hide the fact that he is a secret Muslim who received Al Qaeda weapons training in a Madrassa in Indonesia.
 
2008-03-26 03:17:22 PM  
Relatively Obscure: glaurunge: Why don't you read the whole video

Heh. How many pages is it? ;)


About -3.
 
2008-03-26 03:18:09 PM  
eastbaywatch

It's hilarious watching you guys cycle thru every meme of the last 30 years looking for one to stick. It's hard to define the opposition hated enemy when you combine every right wing phobia into one all encompassing boogie man -- too bad his smile cures cancer and his speeches sound angelic harps.
 
2008-03-26 03:18:58 PM  
Remove all Republicans: burndtdan: LibertyFirst: This is the question nobody is asking:

Did Obama actually believe to be true what his pastor says and believes?

you're right.

no one has asked that question yet. not a single person. nope. not once.

It's not relevant. Why should it matter what Obama's pastor thinks or what he himself thinks? His politics are good for us, so we should vote for him.


lol, i know. i actually agreed with the rest of his post.

i was just sarcastically pointing out that this particular question has in fact been asked, quite a bit.
 
2008-03-26 03:18:59 PM  
Sasha_K: If you youtube his sermons (and there are A LOT) you will see that these comments ARE the exception and NOT the rule.

Croooow!: Well hell, why didn't you tell us earlier that you had a guess? There's no reason to debate anymore if barjockey has totally unverifiable opinion to share!

Relatively Obscure: I've listened to hours and hours of sermons, now, because I too was curious. Based on what I've heard, I'm going to have to disagree with your "guess."

Twenty years > YouTube

/tiiiiime is on my side....
 
2008-03-26 03:19:16 PM  
All2morrowsparTs: Nabb1: DamnYankees: There is one thing that people on the right are completely incapable of understanding, and a lot of it stems from puritan and religious notions:

It is possible, and even good, to expose yourself to things you don't agree with. To never mingle with people who are different than you and who disagree with you is the height of intellectual and cultural cowardice.

True, but generally people don't pick out a church and go there for two decades because they disagree with what's being preached. God, when is anyone going to admit maybe he made a mistake? He's just human, for crying out loud. Everyone has faults and Obama's no exception. Or, maybe he didn't make a mistake. Maybe he believes all that nonsense.

that is like saying all Catholics saction Pedo sex becuase they refuse to stop attending Catholic churches after finding out there are Pedo Priests.


In a slight threadjack, there was something Hillary said about choosing your pastor yesterday that irked me. She gets a lot of support from Catholics (or so TV tells me and for the sake of argument I'll take its words). Now, in my experience, Catholics usually don't get a whole lot of choice in which church they attend. If you live close to two maybe, but even then to join that particular church, the diocese must say you live within its sphere of influence. So you can only go to one church, which may or may not have more than one priest.

/We were told we could go to one church, not the other one actually in our town (they were equally far away)
//Of course the priests have now stopped reading sermons
///Enough Catholicism
 
2008-03-26 03:20:06 PM  
DarnoKonrad: It's hard to define the hated enemy when you combine every right wing phobia into one all encompassing boogie man

i89.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-26 03:20:31 PM  
barjockey: Twenty years > YouTube

/tiiiiime is on my side....


Investigation > Guessing.
 
2008-03-26 03:20:57 PM  
barjockey
When video surfaced of these particular remarks, of course he's going to say he didn't hear them. I bet he did.

It's hard to argue with logic like that.
 
2008-03-26 03:21:02 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: "I hated Obama before it was cool!"

Hate is such a strong word. I don't hate anyone. Especially Obama. I love Obama, if he didn't exist I think I'd have to invent Obama. Not that I think he is in any way qualified to be our next President.

/just saying
//I told you once about that pic man.
 
2008-03-26 03:21:26 PM  
barjockey: /tiiiiime is on my side....

Ah. Gnostic Politics. The secret knowledge. This is what your argument has boiled down to? More will come out!

/ur gut tell you that?
 
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