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2008-03-26 08:58:09 AM
It is funny to watch the far right wingnuts tying themselves into knots trying to spam the same old talking points that nobody but they beleive.
 
2008-03-26 09:09:19 AM
Personally, I think anyone who puts credence in what a pastor says is delusional.
 
2008-03-26 09:17:04 AM
NRO is also ignoring Hillary Clinton's connections to a right-wing religious cult (new window). Though I guess they believe that working secretly towards theocracy is better than preaching liberation theology.
 
2008-03-26 09:17:53 AM
NRO? how cute. what, were newsmax and worldnetdaily down?
 
2008-03-26 09:23:12 AM
This article is offensive.

In Shelby Steele's brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama - A Bound Man - it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those people seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in growing up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to blackness, as it were - and, like many converts, he went overboard.

He converted to being black? Really? I didn't know you could do that. I'm becoming Japanese!

And who is Shelby Steele, Danielle Steele's bastard daughter?
 
2008-03-26 09:27:12 AM
While other black people had to go out and earn their blackness, Obama was born that way. And that's not right.
 
2008-03-26 09:34:47 AM
Dinki: It is funny to watch the far right wingnuts tying themselves into knots trying to spam the same old talking points that nobody but they beleive.

That right there. They keep on trying to troll him, and he's not biting, so they get more and more worked up. It's hilarious.

Jaboobinator: He converted to being black?

I wouldn't put it like that, but the "ethnic identity awakening while in college" thing is pretty common, among all types. Check out half the population of any college "language 101" class, you'll get a lot of people whose families are from whatever country but they don't speak word one of the language anymore, and all of a sudden now they're embracing that identity, and yes, quite a few of them go way out there with the zeal of any new convert and act like they're some sort of experts.

Thing is, (1) race is largely about other people's snap judgements of you, and if you're a Person of Swarth, you're going to be judged as such to some extent regardless of your upbringing, and (2) Obama has never been shy about speaking of his upbringing that I can tell. It's not as if he hides it. His terrible yearbook pics have been all over the Chicago Tribune, at least.

I do find it kinda funny that everyone hypes on the fact that he went to Harvard though - the fact that he went to PUNAHOU is more telling, but again, he's perfectly open about it.
 
2008-03-26 09:36:45 AM
Jaboobinator: And who is Shelby Steele, Danielle Steele's bastard daughter?

More like Uncle Ruckus' with a writing contract.
 
2008-03-26 09:50:25 AM
itazurakko: I wouldn't put it like that, but the "ethnic identity awakening while in college" thing is pretty common, among all types. Check out half the population of any college "language 101" class, you'll get a lot of people whose families are from whatever country but they don't speak word one of the language anymore, and all of a sudden now they're embracing that identity, and yes, quite a few of them go way out there with the zeal of any new convert and act like they're some sort of experts.

so you're saying obama learned how to talk jive in college?
 
2008-03-26 09:52:30 AM
Code_Archeologist: NRO is also ignoring Hillary Clinton's connections to a right-wing religious cult (new window). Though I guess they believe that working secretly towards theocracy is better than preaching liberation theology.

The new "B-b-but Clinton"?
 
2008-03-26 10:28:48 AM
Nabb1: The new "B-b-but Clinton"?

I don't think that Feminist women would be so quick to support her if it was common knowledge that she followed the teachings of a Rev. Doug Coe. His opinion that we must beat the Muslims by having more children than them would be quaint if he didn't wield the influence over our political leaders that he does.
 
2008-03-26 10:33:44 AM
Code_Archeologist: Nabb1: The new "B-b-but Clinton"?

I don't think that Feminist women would be so quick to support her if it was common knowledge that she followed the teachings of a Rev. Doug Coe. His opinion that we must beat the Muslims by having more children than them would be quaint if he didn't wield the influence over our political leaders that he does.


I was just being cheeky, but in truth, there is much about Hillary I find completely contradictory with many of the staunch feminists who support her. There are better women - in both parties - to cast their lot behind.
 
2008-03-26 10:34:13 AM
Jaboobinator: He converted to being black? Really? I didn't know you could do that. I'm becoming Japanese!

You really think so?

/oh wait, that's "I'm turning Japanese."
 
2008-03-26 10:35:35 AM
A black historian who writes for the NRO is questioning the depth and authenticity of Obama's ethnicity? How cute!
 
2008-03-26 10:41:46 AM
Snarfangel: Jaboobinator: He converted to being black? Really? I didn't know you could do that. I'm becoming Japanese!

You really think so?

/oh wait, that's "I'm turning Japanese."


You do that, everyone will avoid you like a cyclone ranger.
 
2008-03-26 10:47:25 AM
1. Anyone who says that "The Left" does anything is clearly as big a moron as anyone who claims that they know anything about "the Right".

2. This is my all time favorite political attack: "His voting record in the U.S. Senate is the furthest left of any Senator." You ever notice how every single election the leading candidate is just too liberal for anyone's good? I thought Kerry was the most liberal Senator? No? Then surely it must be Edwards? No? Kennedy? Every election it's the same, and I've just got two things to say: Fact. Check. and Dennis. FARKING. KUCINICH.
 
2008-03-26 10:50:15 AM
Humean_Nature: 2. This is my all time favorite political attack: "His voting record in the U.S. Senate is the furthest left of any Senator." You ever notice how every single election the leading candidate is just too liberal for anyone's good? I thought Kerry was the most liberal Senator? No? Then surely it must be Edwards? No? Kennedy? Every election it's the same, and I've just got two things to say: Fact. Check. and Dennis. FARKING. KUCINICH.

Dennis is a member of the House.
 
2008-03-26 10:52:29 AM
Diogenes: A black historian who writes for the NRO is questioning the depth and authenticity of Obama's ethnicity? How cute!

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How uppity of him to sass his liberal masters, eh? Heaven forbid he be allowed to think for himself.
 
2008-03-26 10:53:46 AM
Whew! Good thing that Obama is the only candidate with ties to controversial pastors/preachers/whatever...can you imagine the drilling McCain would take is he snuggled up to som douchebag like - oh, I don't know - Falwell or Hagee or something. Just imagine how the LIBERAL media would eat him alive!!

Oh, and Mr. Sowell...eat shiat and die you pathetic partisan hack-bastard.
 
2008-03-26 10:54:11 AM
There is one thing that people on the right are completely incapable of understanding, and a lot of it stems from puritan and religious notions:

It is possible, and even good, to expose yourself to things you don't agree with. To never mingle with people who are different than you and who disagree with you is the height of intellectual and cultural cowardice.
 
2008-03-26 10:56:14 AM
Tard unfettered.
 
2008-03-26 10:58:45 AM
DamnYankees: There is one thing that people on the right are completely incapable of understanding, and a lot of it stems from puritan and religious notions:

It is possible, and even good, to expose yourself to things you don't agree with. To never mingle with people who are different than you and who disagree with you is the height of intellectual and cultural cowardice.


True, but generally people don't pick out a church and go there for two decades because they disagree with what's being preached. God, when is anyone going to admit maybe he made a mistake? He's just human, for crying out loud. Everyone has faults and Obama's no exception. Or, maybe he didn't make a mistake. Maybe he believes all that nonsense.
 
2008-03-26 10:59:54 AM
Nabb1: How uppity of him to sass his liberal masters, eh? Heaven forbid he be allowed to think for himself.

My point being that ideological leanings aside, I wouldn't be trying to make a scholarly point via the NRO. It's one of the most intellectually dishonest outlets around.
 
2008-03-26 11:01:35 AM
SherKhan: Tard unfettered.

Awesome.
 
2008-03-26 11:03:02 AM
DamnYankees: There is one thing that people on the right are completely incapable of understanding, and a lot of it stems from puritan and religious notions:

It is possible, and even good, to expose yourself to things you don't agree with. To never mingle with people who are different than you and who disagree with you is the height of intellectual and cultural cowardice.


Should be repeated.
 
2008-03-26 11:05:57 AM
Nabb1: True, but generally people don't pick out a church and go there for two decades because they disagree with what's being preached. God, when is anyone going to admit maybe he made a mistake? He's just human, for crying out loud. Everyone has faults and Obama's no exception. Or, maybe he didn't make a mistake. Maybe he believes all that nonsense.

He made a political mistake, of course. I don't think he made a human mistake at all - not in this case. And, again, he didn't disagree with *everything* being preached, because most of what Wright says is wholly uncontroversial.
 
2008-03-26 11:06:39 AM
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Let us all pray that Senator Obama finds the true light of Christ, as we have...

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2008-03-26 11:07:37 AM
The same tired strategy from the right....invent a controversy that keeps people from actually thinking about the issues. How long are they going to beat this dead horse?
 
2008-03-26 11:07:53 AM
Snarfangel: Dennis is a member of the House.

To be fair, I've heard Obama referred to as "the most liberal member of congress" on Fox News. That would include Dennis.

The coolest part of working for Time Warner? Watching TV all day. The worst part? All the TVs are on Fox News.
 
2008-03-26 11:11:58 AM
Sammy Jenkins:

How long are they going to beat this dead horse?

9 months, give or take. Just enough time for the Antichrist to be born.
 
2008-03-26 11:12:06 AM
Sammy Jenkins: The same tired strategy from the right....invent a controversy that keeps people from actually thinking about the issues. How long are they going to beat this dead horse?

As long as it works, which means that they probably won't stop ever.
 
2008-03-26 11:19:07 AM
Subby: It is painful to watch defenders detractors of Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious make something stick so that McCain has a snowball's chance of winning

Easiest FTFY since the one about Hillary being a lizard.
 
2008-03-26 11:21:24 AM
Sammy Jenkins: The same tired strategy from the right....invent a controversy that keeps people from actually thinking about the issues. How long are they going to beat this dead horse?

Until Nov. 4th.
 
2008-03-26 11:27:28 AM
Nestea Plunge: Sammy Jenkins: The same tired strategy from the right....invent a controversy that keeps people from actually thinking about the issues. How long are they going to beat this dead horse?

Until Nov. 4th.


That's not going to work out for them very well, then. If it comes to a choice between someone with a nutty preacher and someone who wants another 100 years in Iraq, the choice seems pretty clear (especially as the gains made in Iraq rapidly unravel in the next few months).
 
2008-03-26 11:31:51 AM
Thomas Sowell is a bizarre case. He draws on diverse sources of information for his books and his arguments in support of conservativism, but faults anyone with liberal ideas for referring to historically liberal sources. He castigates Obama's priest for saying nasty things about America, but if you listen to what conservative priests say it is far worse. He sees only people making excuses, but I am not alone is saying that both Obama and his firebrand preacher are right and have nothing to apologize for. Thomas Sowell is a blind agendist who speaks only to others like him, and he stands against free thought and expression because he fears they might cause his agenda to falter.
 
2008-03-26 11:37:02 AM
Nabb1: Maybe he believes all that nonsense.

Or maybe the 60 seconds of sound bites that have been repeated ad nauseum on Fox News are not particularly representative of the man's twenty years as a minister.
 
2008-03-26 11:38:06 AM
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2008-03-26 11:41:10 AM
seventypercent: Nabb1: Maybe he believes all that nonsense.

Or maybe the 60 seconds of sound bites that have been repeated ad nauseum on Fox News are not particularly representative of the man's twenty years as a minister.


You're probably right. Overzealous preacher. Non-story.
 
2008-03-26 11:41:54 AM
It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious

29%ers
 
2008-03-26 11:48:15 AM
Whamdangler: Personally, I think anyone who puts credence in what a pastor says is delusional.

So, what you are saying is that we've had 43 delusional presidents in a row...why change with 44?
 
2008-03-26 11:49:51 AM
Marcus Aurelius: While other black people had to go out and earn their blackness, Obama was born that way. And that's not right.

He has all the benefits of being black and all the benefits of being white. Its just plain unfair. How can any candidate of only one ethnicity begin to compete with that?
 
2008-03-26 12:03:04 PM
Nabb1: seventypercent: Nabb1: Maybe he believes all that nonsense.

Or maybe the 60 seconds of sound bites that have been repeated ad nauseum on Fox News are not particularly representative of the man's twenty years as a minister.

You're probably right. Overzealous preacher. Non-story.


Meh. HOV is still better at the obtuse troll.
 
2008-03-26 12:11:59 PM
Sammy Jenkins: That's not going to work out for them very well, then. If it comes to a choice between someone with a nutty preacher and someone who wants another 100 years in Iraq...

Yep.

I think Iraq will be the main issue this election.
 
2008-03-26 12:17:25 PM
burndtdan: so you're saying obama learned how to talk jive in college?

I wasn't aware he talked jive, honestly. My main experience is with certain of the late-generation Asian-American set and with people who have "gotten religion" or gone seriously BT in college.

I merely point out that if Obama got a greater ethnic conciousness in college, he would not be in ANY way unusual. Granted, with him, it's not so much a language thing.

It's just that I don't see him claiming anything otherwise - he's not going around denying his background, saying he was raised on the hard hard streets, or anything like that. He went to Punahou, for heaven's sakes. But he freely admits it. He admits he spent time in Indonesia and lived as an expat (if you live as an expat, your main "other" identity is just plain ol' foreign AMERICAN).

Then yeah, he was a community organizer in Chicago. So then the spin is "OMG!!! He took new views and went that church out of POLITICAL MOTIVES!!11!!" as if community networking is some sort of beyond the pale thing, as if making relations with people with clout is not something we ALL as humans do.

But again, he says "sure. Okay."
 
2008-03-26 12:19:40 PM
DamnYankees: He made a political mistake, of course. I don't think he made a human mistake at all - not in this case. And, again, he didn't disagree with *everything* being preached, because most of what Wright says is wholly uncontroversial.

This right there.
 
2008-03-26 12:20:56 PM
itazurakko: DamnYankees: He made a political mistake, of course. I don't think he made a human mistake at all - not in this case. And, again, he didn't disagree with *everything* being preached, because most of what Wright says is wholly uncontroversial.

This right there.


Arigato, kyo-dai.
 
2008-03-26 12:28:31 PM
itazurakko: burndtdan: so you're saying obama learned how to talk jive in college?

I wasn't aware he talked jive, honestly. My main experience is with certain of the late-generation Asian-American set and with people who have "gotten religion" or gone seriously BT in college.

I merely point out that if Obama got a greater ethnic conciousness in college, he would not be in ANY way unusual. Granted, with him, it's not so much a language thing.

It's just that I don't see him claiming anything otherwise - he's not going around denying his background, saying he was raised on the hard hard streets, or anything like that. He went to Punahou, for heaven's sakes. But he freely admits it. He admits he spent time in Indonesia and lived as an expat (if you live as an expat, your main "other" identity is just plain ol' foreign AMERICAN).

Then yeah, he was a community organizer in Chicago. So then the spin is "OMG!!! He took new views and went that church out of POLITICAL MOTIVES!!11!!" as if community networking is some sort of beyond the pale thing, as if making relations with people with clout is not something we ALL as humans do.

But again, he says "sure. Okay."




Hey home, I can dig it. You know he ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you man.
 
2008-03-26 12:30:39 PM
burndtdan: Hey home, I can dig it. You know he ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you man.

dropped my picture...

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2008-03-26 12:57:37 PM

OK, point taken. Now what? Wait for McCain to slither out from under his rock, see his shadow and give us eight more years of unwinnable and illegal wars?

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2008-03-26 01:13:29 PM
Whamdangler: Personally, I think anyone who puts credence in what a pastor says is delusional.

Stereotyping religious people on my Fark?
 
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