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2008-03-25 05:01:36 PM
filth: The UN's food programs are extremely important to oppressive regimes all over Africa.

So are American armaments that "accidentally" (woopsie) end up in their hands.
 
2008-03-25 05:01:46 PM
KellyX:
p.s. We're still your friends and we don't mind protecting your asses


I mind. Bring home the troops, cut the military budget in half, and put half the savings to paying down the debt and the other half to building a national maglev train system with all the awesome labor cut loose from pounding sand in the Middle East.

As soon as I realized how much a drag on the economy our military is I put my retirement money into first world nations getting a free ride on our military (international index fund). Up 54% over 3 years. If you just biatched about the government's stupid military waste, Haliburtin fellating, and spend and deficit Republican House/Senate/President years, you really missed out on making some real money. European socialism is kicking the US's ass since they aren't feeding wads of cash and prime workforce into a massive military to serve freeloaders.
 
2008-03-25 05:01:55 PM
The strong survive, the weak perish.

Survial of the fittest AKA Natural Selection
 
Ral
2008-03-25 05:02:13 PM
Pocket Ninja: Oh, right. This is the thread where everybody comes in and bashes the UN for pretending to be concerned about the world's hungry pretends to be concerned about the world's hungry but really just wants to bash the UN.

FTFY.
 
2008-03-25 05:04:31 PM
ManicParroT: Y2Jericho: ManicParroT: I find it funny that Americans are talking about how the UN has no credibility left. Because America has so much they can afford to point fingers.

I find it EQUALLY funny that you think that Americans should give a damn what YOU think.

A sunny September morning should have made it obvious to you that it matters very much what the rest of the world thinks. But you prefer to live in an American box and repeat the mistakes of the past.

Um, no, Afghanistan should tell the world not to piss on the working bear, it will get pissed and slap you down hard.
 
2008-03-25 05:04:36 PM
ManicParroT: Y2Jericho: ManicParroT: I find it funny that Americans are talking about how the UN has no credibility left. Because America has so much they can afford to point fingers.

I find it EQUALLY funny that you think that Americans should give a damn what YOU think.


A sunny September morning should have made it obvious to you that it matters very much what the rest of the world thinks. But you prefer to live in an American box and repeat the mistakes of the past.


Oh, underhanded comeback...
I'm well aware of what "they" think, junior. That's why I'll be sporting a McCain 2008 sign in my yard.
 
2008-03-25 05:04:53 PM
robisfunky: corbell: We could start a nuclear wear and postpone this dialogue for... I dunno... a few centuries.

nuclear wear?


I thought the same thing, see above. ;)
 
2008-03-25 05:05:12 PM
This is easy enough to solve. Any country with a population growth above 5% a year is subject to involutary sterilization, forced abortion and restricted food rationing, with rewards given for voluntary sterilization, one child families and gay couples. Look, its working for the Chinese (except for the gay couple part)... the program should just be expanded to third-world countries.
 
2008-03-25 05:05:34 PM
Y2Jericho: Ashtrey: Why don't we just bring the Africans over here, let them work us and give them food and shelter in return?

/wait

We already trained one wave. It's about time to send them back home so they use what we taught them to fix their own damn country.


I just got the call, your ticket is in the mail. I believe they upgraded you to first class so you'll arrive before the others.
 
Ral
2008-03-25 05:05:39 PM
degreeless: Does the U.N. really serve any purpose other than sending harshly-worded letters to dictators and bilking money from the United States?

No, that about sums it up.
 
2008-03-25 05:05:45 PM
Manfred J. Hattan: There is. It's about 14 billion.

I've heard this figure before, but I'm interested to know how much of the natural environment and biodiversity would be preserved with that many people on Earth. Would be using virtually all the land to support people? Because I feel that not leaving undeveloped space puts us in danger since biodiversity is one of the main things that provides us resilience to changing environmental conditions.

Wanna solve the world's near-term problems? Wanna end Africa's endless appeals for food from the rest of the world? It's easy.

Kill Robert Mugabe. He alone is responsible for the reduction of enough food crops to feed almost 50 million people.


I'm all for that, personally.
 
2008-03-25 05:05:47 PM
SlothB77: notice they ask the United States for the money. No one else, just us.

We feed the world. In return, the world says thanks.

Or fark you. Ungrateful bastards. Let them starve.


If you looked beyond that blurb of an article, you'd see that they did not only ask the United States.
 
2008-03-25 05:06:16 PM
Befuddled: We are broke. Let some of the other nations pick up the slack. Let the other nations show that they care about something beyond their own borders. They can even send troops to Darfur if they want.

Ah yes, but those other nations don't invest so heavily in the destruction of poor nations as we do.

*oh, popcorn...*
 
2008-03-25 05:06:54 PM
Actually, the UK (the only country I bothered to check it for) pays about 30% more into the UN budget than the US does, on a per-capita basis.

The US might be the biggest contributor overall, but it's not nearly pulling it's weight compared to other developed countries.
 
2008-03-25 05:07:07 PM
Please Please Please US. Just get in or out. Things would be simpler.
 
2008-03-25 05:07:09 PM
nobodyknew: Seems to me that if I pay a percentage of my pay to federal taxes, and the govt decides to give some of that money to other countries to take care of their problems, then my hard work is paying for others to eat. Done.

That's the European attitude. Surveys have regularly shown that (excluding military largesse) the US government gives "embarrassingly" little to foreign aid, just enough to grease our interests. But private American citizens give overwhelmingly more to foreign causes than elsewhere in the world. If you score the US's donations by adding together government donations and donations from the relatively lightly taxed private population, America is a quite generous nation.

If you think the government's pittance sent to foreign aid is enough, you are in the minority, liberal and conservative, of America. You would have a stronger argument if you just stated you're a cheapass who doesn't care about others (don't worry, this is Fark - you wouldn't be alone).
 
2008-03-25 05:07:42 PM
Y2Jericho: ManicParroT: Y2Jericho: ManicParroT: I find it funny that Americans are talking about how the UN has no credibility left. Because America has so much they can afford to point fingers.

I find it EQUALLY funny that you think that Americans should give a damn what YOU think.


A sunny September morning should have made it obvious to you that it matters very much what the rest of the world thinks. But you prefer to live in an American box and repeat the mistakes of the past.

Oh, underhanded comeback...
I'm well aware of what "they" think, junior. That's why I'll be sporting a McCain 2008 sign in my yard.


So...failure is acceptable to you?

*popcorn needs salt*
 
2008-03-25 05:07:42 PM
Grandmaster Jizz: This is easy enough to solve. Any country with a population growth above 5% a year is subject to involutary sterilization, forced abortion and restricted food rationing, with rewards given for voluntary sterilization, one child families and gay couples. Look, its working for the Chinese (except for the gay couple part)... the program should just be expanded to third-world countries.

Wow, Petoria is screwed.
 
2008-03-25 05:08:09 PM
samimgreen:Can you see what I'm saying? Stop biatching about how everything is wrong and talk about how to make things right in your eyes. Biatching about a war you don't believe in, Bush lied, people died, no war for oil, and all that crap, how about you start talking about solutions and the risks/rewards involved in them.

Well, some of the problems I listed contain their own implicit solutions. If the problem is: "we torture people in secret prisons," then the obvious solution is: "stop doing that."

Yes, I agree that simply whining about the fact Bush lied & started a war does not solve the problem, and that's a hard problem to solve. Whomever gets the job next will have to start cleaning up the pieces.

To my mind, one step that we could take to regain some credibility would be to remove Bush & Cheney -- or at least go through the motions in the Senate, even if the bill fails.. Waging an aggressive war is a crime that we tried Nazi generals for, so showing some moral consistency would probably help restore our image & improve relations with the rest of the world.

/besides, starting a war on false pretense is *clearly* an impeachable offense -- it goes waaaay beyond lying about a BJ
 
2008-03-25 05:08:41 PM
I always think it's funny to read the posts of those bashing the UN. The UN has an absolutely perfect track record in fulfilling its main mission. What mission is that?

Preventing another great power war.

All this other stuff is just window dressing.

/Yay UN, I don't want to invade Germany.
 
2008-03-25 05:08:52 PM
Mnemia: Manfred J. Hattan: There is. It's about 14 billion.

I've heard this figure before, but I'm interested to know how much of the natural environment and biodiversity would be preserved with that many people on Earth. Would be using virtually all the land to support people? Because I feel that not leaving undeveloped space puts us in danger since biodiversity is one of the main things that provides us resilience to changing environmental conditions.

Wanna solve the world's near-term problems? Wanna end Africa's endless appeals for food from the rest of the world? It's easy.

Kill Robert Mugabe. He alone is responsible for the reduction of enough food crops to feed almost 50 million people.

I'm all for that, personally.


Do you have your own weapon or do you need to be provided one?
 
2008-03-25 05:09:41 PM
Spoonfed'sBuddy: Pocket Ninja: Oh, right. This is the thread where everybody comes in and pretends to be concerned about the world's hungry but really just wants to bash the UN.

They are both an unnecessary waste of resources. Be a good Dem and go save The Environment from all these damned uneducated, unproductive surplus people!


I've got my gun, let's head to the local mall...

*munch, munch, munch*
 
2008-03-25 05:10:16 PM
ferretman: The strong survive, the weak perish.

Survial of the fittest AKA Natural Selection


I agree with this, which makes me glad I'm a well educated middle class white American, or I might not have made it.
 
2008-03-25 05:10:40 PM
falser: Give an African some grains, feed him for a day.

Give an African a machine gun, feed him for a lifetime.


Albeit a short lifetime.
 
2008-03-25 05:11:22 PM
HoKr: Actually, the UK (the only country I bothered to check it for) pays about 30% more into the UN budget than the US does, on a per-capita basis.

The US might be the biggest contributor overall, but it's not nearly pulling it's weight compared to other developed countries.


The US believes that its own people should be the ones who decide who their money is used to help, even if it's no one at all. As someone else already mentioned Americans donate a lot more of their own private money to international charities than any other nation.
 
2008-03-25 05:12:29 PM
iaazathot: Spoonfed'sBuddy: Pocket Ninja: Oh, right. This is the thread where everybody comes in and pretends to be concerned about the world's hungry but really just wants to bash the UN.

They are both an unnecessary waste of resources. Be a good Dem and go save The Environment from all these damned uneducated, unproductive surplus people!

I've got my gun, let's head to the local mall...

*munch, munch, munch*


I'M CALLING THE AUTHORITIES!
 
2008-03-25 05:12:31 PM
falser:Give an African some grains, feed him for a day.
Give an African a machine gun, feed him for a lifetime.


Light a man a fire, he'll be warm for the night.
Light a man *on* fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

/always loved that joke
 
2008-03-25 05:13:05 PM
nobodyknew: Seems to me that if I pay a percentage of my pay to federal taxes, and the govt decides to give some of that money to other countries to take care of their problems, then my hard work is paying for others to eat. Done.

Now if you have a local issue that should be resolved by state and local govt, they should use existing taxes to handle things the same way. State and local govt are not taking care of their local poor and homeless. Done.

I have more of a chance of addressing state and local issue with my tax dollars, than I do with my federal taxes. Let me keep my federal money, pay larger tax rates on what I purchase, and then point a finger when I don't donate to causes. Real human / citizen involvement comes from CHOOSING to do good things, rather than have them done for you without representation. However until the process is altered, then I live within the system and grow tired of people asking for more. Done.

/people who don't contribute to society are causing the problems.


Yes, but it is still legal to be a Republican. Maybe we need to change the laws.

*oh butter!*
 
kab
2008-03-25 05:14:03 PM
The 'We Feed the World' documentary should be required viewing for just about anyone concerned about this topic.

p the boiler: is the UN feeding the hungry in the US?

Seriously, I don't know - if not "F" them - our country is in over its own head right now.

/as liberal as they come
//just sick of us not caring for our own


How many people in the US go hungry due to circumstances beyond their own control?
 
2008-03-25 05:14:33 PM
Y2Jericho: iaazathot: Spoonfed'sBuddy: Pocket Ninja: Oh, right. This is the thread where everybody comes in and pretends to be concerned about the world's hungry but really just wants to bash the UN.

They are both an unnecessary waste of resources. Be a good Dem and go save The Environment from all these damned uneducated, unproductive surplus people!

I've got my gun, let's head to the local mall...

*munch, munch, munch*

I'M CALLING THE AUTHORITIES!


Don't worry, I'm not asian.
 
2008-03-25 05:14:38 PM
MadAsshatter:
Shouldn't you be off oppressing negroes or something?

This is so hilariously stupid, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're trolling.

samimgreen:

Um, no, Afghanistan should tell the world not to piss on the working bear, it will get pissed and slap you down hard. invade the wrong country, getting involved in a horribly expensive counterinsurgency, despite not having suceeded in the first country it invaded.
 
2008-03-25 05:15:44 PM
Kyle:But why? If they're hungry and poor, why don't we just always give them half of our food?

Gerald:Ha ha ha! Ooh-ho boy, have you got a lot to learn! Sit down, son. You see, Kyle, we humans work as a society, and in order for a society to thrive, we need gods pompous Americans, and clods starving Africans.
 
2008-03-25 05:15:55 PM
BlorfMaster: Do you really need that car? for the couple of thousand you spent on it, hundreds of families could eat for a year. But no, a fat American like you can't walk anywhere or take the bus. Better for you to live a life of ease and comfort that to keep people from starving to death.

Lets see your receipt for your $20,000 donation to charity before you try to biatch slap someone else for having a car.
 
Ral
2008-03-25 05:16:52 PM
Surpheon: private American citizens give overwhelmingly more to foreign causes than elsewhere in the world. If you score the US's donations by adding together government donations and donations from the relatively lightly taxed private population, America is a quite generous nation.

Indeed. After the Indonesian tsunami disaster in 2004, private donations from the United States alone totaled more than $1.8 billion, which is more than the government donations from all other nations combined.

/yes, we rule
 
2008-03-25 05:17:16 PM
jshine: samimgreen:Can you see what I'm saying? Stop biatching about how everything is wrong and talk about how to make things right in your eyes. Biatching about a war you don't believe in, Bush lied, people died, no war for oil, and all that crap, how about you start talking about solutions and the risks/rewards involved in them.

Well, some of the problems I listed contain their own implicit solutions. If the problem is: "we torture people in secret prisons," then the obvious solution is: "stop doing that."

Yes, I agree that simply whining about the fact Bush lied & started a war does not solve the problem, and that's a hard problem to solve. Whomever gets the job next will have to start cleaning up the pieces.

To my mind, one step that we could take to regain some credibility would be to remove Bush & Cheney -- or at least go through the motions in the Senate, even if the bill fails.. Waging an aggressive war is a crime that we tried Nazi generals for, so showing some moral consistency would probably help restore our image & improve relations with the rest of the world.

/besides, starting a war on false pretense is *clearly* an impeachable offense -- it goes waaaay beyond lying about a BJ


Okay, so your solutions are, stop torturing people in secret prisons. Okay, done, leaks are now a treasonous offense with penalty of death. That problem's taken care of.

Your next solution is to impeach Bush/Cheney in the next few months, just a quick little rush job to say to the world, "sorry guys, we punished the big bad meanie, go back to playing nice." No, that's not what you're saying? Oh, yeah, I get it, you're not saying anything except lying that Bush/Cheney are not doing anything about "cleaning up pieces" and therefore things must be continuing to be horrible or getting worse in Iraq.

That's right, I said you were lying. Show me how I'm wrong.
 
2008-03-25 05:17:28 PM
Nutsac_Jim: BlorfMaster: Do you really need that car? for the couple of thousand you spent on it, hundreds of families could eat for a year. But no, a fat American like you can't walk anywhere or take the bus. Better for you to live a life of ease and comfort that to keep people from starving to death.

Lets see your receipt for your $20,000 donation to charity before you try to biatch slap someone else for having a car.


The irony of someone using a computer to tell you you have too many luxuries is so sweet, isn't it?

In retrospect, I think he was just a troll.
 
2008-03-25 05:18:16 PM
Still, that does not mean that what everyone here keeps touting (ie: that the US is the biggest contributor) is true. They are actually at the bottom, when it comes to per GDP-capita comparisons.

Americans nowadays like to think that they are the saviours of the world, be it World Food Programme, taking over other countries (against the wishes of every other country's populace), or torturing people to save the president (or whatever dumb rationale they make up for it).

Most people outside the US take offense to that, since you're not even putting in the sort of real effort we do.

Just get off your high horses, you're not goodness incarnate.
 
2008-03-25 05:19:19 PM
iaazathot: nobodyknew: Seems to me that if I pay a percentage of my pay to federal taxes, and the govt decides to give some of that money to other countries to take care of their problems, then my hard work is paying for others to eat. Done.

Now if you have a local issue that should be resolved by state and local govt, they should use existing taxes to handle things the same way. State and local govt are not taking care of their local poor and homeless. Done.

I have more of a chance of addressing state and local issue with my tax dollars, than I do with my federal taxes. Let me keep my federal money, pay larger tax rates on what I purchase, and then point a finger when I don't donate to causes. Real human / citizen involvement comes from CHOOSING to do good things, rather than have them done for you without representation. However until the process is altered, then I live within the system and grow tired of people asking for more. Done.

/people who don't contribute to society are causing the problems.

Yes, but it is still legal to be a Republican. Maybe we need to change the laws.

*oh butter!*


Yes, but Democrats cause as much damage so the laws need to be all-encompassing.

*butter's too greasy*
 
2008-03-25 05:19:21 PM
sendtodave: Kyle:But why? If they're hungry and poor, why don't we just always give them half of our food?

Gerald:Ha ha ha! Ooh-ho boy, have you got a lot to learn! Sit down, son. You see, Kyle, we humans work as a society, and in order for a society to thrive, we need gods pompous Americanstypical white people, and clods starving Africans.


FTFY (according to Obama)
 
2008-03-25 05:19:24 PM
HoKr: Actually, the UK (the only country I bothered to check it for) pays about 30% more into the UN budget than the US does, on a per-capita basis.

The US might be the biggest contributor overall, but it's not nearly pulling it's weight compared to other developed countries. which means it's still spending waaaay too much of it's taxpayers money on a sham operation that gets next to no results and wastes too much money.


FTFY.
 
2008-03-25 05:20:34 PM
Didn't they get the memo?

The U.S. isn't the global super-power it once was. For good and bad, the world better plan on taking care of itself.
 
2008-03-25 05:20:36 PM
Headso: uh, yeah, if you're European and you are somehow on a high horse about Africa of all places, you really should STFU...

I'm American. I was calling him out for blaming the US for Africa's problems, as if there were even the slightest link between American consumerism and African poverty. Moreover, if we're pointing fingers, Europe should be the first to whip themselves.
 
2008-03-25 05:21:09 PM
ManicParroT: MadAsshatter:
Shouldn't you be off oppressing negroes or something?

This is so hilariously stupid, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're trolling.

samimgreen:

Um, no, Afghanistan should tell the world not to piss on the working bear, it will get pissed and slap you down hard. invade the wrong country, getting involved in a horribly expensive counterinsurgency, despite not having suceeded in the first country it invaded.


Never said things were perfect, so sue us. Oh yeah, the world court can go stuff itself, so throw your meanie meanie words at us.

/almost time to leave work and drive my caddy home
//I hate that car...
///want my SUV back...
 
2008-03-25 05:21:11 PM
Y2Jericho: I'm well aware of what "they" think, junior. That's why I'll be sporting a McCain 2008 sign in my yard.

Ah, so you know think we are their enemy because we continue to back Israel? Good.

Most people think they just hate Amer'cans.
 
2008-03-25 05:21:13 PM
We're gonna take you back, to the year 1939 when Charlie Chaplin and his nazi regime enslaved Europe and tried to take over the world......But then an even greater force emerged, the U.N. and the U.N. un-nazied the world - forever.
 
2008-03-25 05:21:22 PM
HoKr: Actually, the UK (the only country I bothered to check it for) pays about 30% more into the UN budget than the US does, on a per-capita basis.

The US might be the biggest contributor overall, but it's not nearly pulling it's weight compared to other developed countries.




What are the numbers on direct aid dollars, private charities, and other programs like rubbers for Africa?
 
2008-03-25 05:22:27 PM
sendtodave: Kyle:But why? If they're hungry and poor, why don't we just always give them half of our food?

Gerald:Ha ha ha! Ooh-ho boy, have you got a lot to learn! Sit down, son. You see, Kyle, we humans work as a society, and in order for a society to thrive, we need gods pompous Americans, and clods starving Africans.


Let me ask you, do you plan on keeping your children at home until you die?
 
2008-03-25 05:22:47 PM
HoKr: Still, that does not mean that what everyone here keeps touting (ie: that the US is the biggest contributor) is true. They are actually at the bottom, when it comes to per GDP-capita comparisons.

Are you taking into account private donations to non-sham charities as chosen willingly by the citizens as opposed to government "generosity" with other people's money?
 
2008-03-25 05:22:50 PM
sendtodave: they think

FTFM
 
2008-03-25 05:23:11 PM
ReisFlynn

Do you hold a degree in development economics, or do you just feel entitled? If the former, please accept my apologies, I would love to hear how the process could be made so much better based on your thorough understanding of the UN's modus operandi.
 
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