"The warden's office was aware of it," Schnapp said

Okay, so this wasn't a surprise OR unannounced landing. It was apparently an attempt to keep a site visit from also involving several hours of drive time.

The issue is that the guard towers hadn't been informed. A valid concern, as every low IQ guard envisions himself being heaped upon with great awards and accolades for shooting down an escaping prisoner AND the helicopter he was trying to escape in.

At least it wasn't one of these:

wildcardjack: "The warden's office was aware of it," Schnapp said

Okay, so this wasn't a surprise OR unannounced landing. It was apparently an attempt to keep a site visit from also involving several hours of drive time.

The issue is that the guard towers hadn't been informed. A valid concern, as every low IQ guard envisions himself being heaped upon with great awards and accolades for shooting down an escaping prisoner AND the helicopter he was trying to escape in.

Yeah, good thing you're so much more intelligent, giving you the ability to summarize the article. Thanks for your insightful analysis.

Perish the thought that the guards would just be trying to do their farking jobs, i.e. keep the prisoners inside the prison.

All the guards must've seen this:


/Now with votey goodness.

Anyone remember that story where a helicopter landed inside a prison courtyard and rescued one of the prisoners?

/I'm pretty sure I didn't make that up

I didn't know that you could be shot for trying to escape prison. I thought to be killed sans due process by a lawman, you had to be an imminent threat to someone.

Tabletop: I didn't know that you could be shot for trying to escape prison. I thought to be killed sans due process by a lawman, you had to be an imminent threat to someone.

Shot and killed are two different things. Hard to continue escaping when your knees have been shot out. Prisoners occassionally duck when they hear gunshots, resulting in headshots.

/Finish him!
//Fatality!

Anyone trained to shoot anyone shoots to kill.

No shots were fired, but the incident resulted in the union issuing a written complaint to Illinois Department of Corrections Director Roger Walker.

Thank God they didn't have to file the proper paperwork to submit a request to see a panel about forming a committee to discuss the possibility of requesting the funds to requisition the form to send a second written complaint.

Tabletop: Anyone trained to shoot anyone shoots to kill.

This.

"I prevented him from escaping... by stopping his heart."

"I'm not going to get into it as far as the logistics are on it," Schnapp said.

That means the warden f'ed up and almost got somebody killed.

And why is there voting??
Are they looking for a witty new warden already?

Shrinkwrap: Anyone remember that story where a helicopter landed inside a prison courtyard and rescued assisted in the escape of one of the prisoners?

FTFY.

Whilst I recognise the need to keep dangerous people in prison to protect the rest of society, and thus also the need to prevent these dangerous people from escaping their inprisonment...

Shooting unarmed people sucks. It is not justified. Ever.
OK, so if they're reaching into their jacket, and you have reason to believe they're about to pull out a gun, I can see justification in shooting then. But then, you're shooting someone you believe armed.

If you know someone is unarmed, have no reason to believe they have a concealed weapon, and you still shoot them, I believe you are one of the dangerous people we mentioned before.

Mind you, we are talking about a nation where there's a law that says you can't have any "cruel or unusual" punishment, but still executes people, which, in the developed world is cruel, and not just unusual but almost unique (Japan still executes people, but they're the only other 1st world nation).

Tabletop: Anyone trained to shoot anyone shoots to kill.

If only training led to discretion...

Flash314: Shot and killed are two different things. Hard to continue escaping when your knees have been shot out. Prisoners occassionally duck when they hear gunshots, resulting in headshots.

Thanks for the tips.

/was aiming for his knee, but he tripped
//twice

Shrinkwrap: Anyone remember that story where a helicopter landed inside a prison courtyard and rescued one of the prisoners?

/I'm pretty sure I didn't make that up

>What could possibly go wrong?

Forgetting their parking pass and getting the copter towed?

Department of Corrections spokesman Derek Schnapp said the helicopter was making a routine visit to the prison and it had authorization to land in the parking lot.

"The warden's office was aware of it," Schnapp said.

Schnapp would not address whether the warden's office notified guards on duty.

"I'm not going to get into it as far as the logistics are on it," Schnapp said

In other words the administration knew about it however it wasn't passed down to security. and as far as the comments about the guards being mentally 12, there are a few out there who fit those comments, those are the ones who get on the evening news for shooting someone without even thinking through their actions before going ahead.
Additionally, having used to work for Oklahoma DOC, the standard policy (for us anyway) was "shoot to stop the action and only shoot if the escaping inmate posed an immediate danger to a member of the public" Notice I said "shoot to stop the action" Policy said this, however when getting certified in firearms, the first course of fire was three shots to center chest, the second round of fire was two chest one head.

where_is_truth: At least it wasn't one of these:

HA HA HA HA! Thank you sir.

/tips hat

Wizard Drongo: Whilst I recognise the need to keep dangerous people in prison to protect the rest of society, and thus also the need to prevent these dangerous people from escaping their inprisonment...

Shooting unarmed people sucks. It is not justified. Ever.
OK, so if they're reaching into their jacket, and you have reason to believe they're about to pull out a gun, I can see justification in shooting then. But then, you're shooting someone you believe armed.

If you know someone is unarmed, have no reason to believe they have a concealed weapon, and you still shoot them, I believe you are one of the dangerous people we mentioned before.

Mind you, we are talking about a nation where there's a law that says you can't have any "cruel or unusual" punishment, but still executes people, which, in the developed world is cruel, and not just unusual but almost unique (Japan still executes people, but they're the only other 1st world nation).

I only know one guy(a relative) in the pen, and it WOULD be justified.

He's mentally unstable, extremely violent and very intelligent; just sucks at crime.

Thank goodness that the guard didnt open fire on the prisoner. We would have one less mouth to feed.

/was that wrong?

wildcardjack: "The warden's office was aware of it," Schnapp said

Okay, so this wasn't a surprise OR unannounced landing. It was apparently an attempt to keep a site visit from also involving several hours of drive time.

The issue is that the guard towers hadn't been informed. A valid concern, as every low IQ guard envisions himself being heaped upon with great awards and accolades for shooting down an escaping prisoner AND the helicopter he was trying to escape in.

/thanks for heaping all the guards in America into one big stupid lump. Ass.

Shrinkwrap: Anyone remember that story where a helicopter landed inside a prison courtyard and rescued one of the prisoners?

This?

wildcardjack: "The warden's office was aware of it," Schnapp said

Okay, so this wasn't a surprise OR unannounced landing. It was apparently an attempt to keep a site visit from also involving several hours of drive time.

The issue is that the guard towers hadn't been informed. A valid concern, as every low IQ guard envisions himself being heaped upon with great awards and accolades for shooting down an escaping prisoner AND the helicopter he was trying to escape in.

First off: Fark you.

Second off: Lets see YOU deal with 96 murderers, drug dealers, rapists, child molesters, etc. on a tier for 8 hours a day. Lets see you have to deal with making sure they get to work, making sure they get fed 3 times every day, making sure they get the medical care they need, make sure they don't get stabbed up by another inmate. Lets see you deal with all the stupid games they try to play, the contraband they try to bring in, the farking weapons that get found on a daily basis that you HOPE don't get used on you.

If you think Correctional Officers (we are not 'guards', guards only make sure that something inanimate is safe (well, except for bodyguards)) can get away with the shiat that happens in the latest Hollywood movie these days, with the amount of media coverage that occurs during an incident, you're out of your fracking mind.

Do you want some guy that molested his 10-year-old daughter running around your neighborhood if we just decided to let them try to escape? If it says shoot to kill, you shoot to kill.

biatch and whine and complain all you want, but without Corrections, YOUR ass would be dealing with them. And somehow, I doubt you'd be able to handle them.

strathmeyer: Tabletop: Anyone trained to shoot anyone shoots to kill.

If only training led to discretion...

Yeah, like after drawing your weapon, deciding not to fire on someone. That kind of discretion would be appreciated.

Oh, wait...

Brennick unavailable for comment?

/my god I can't believe I remember Fortress 2

Cpu_thrasher 2008-03-25 06:05:28 AM

First off: Fark you.

Brillant!

Second off: Lets see YOU deal with 96 murderers, drug dealers, rapists, child molesters, etc. on a tier for 8 hours a day.

I'll pass. Leave this job to the uneducated and low IQ types.

If you think Correctional Officers (we are not 'guards', guards only make sure that something inanimate is safe (well, except for bodyguards)) can get away with the shiat that happens in the latest Hollywood movie these days, with the amount of media coverage that occurs during an incident, you're out of your fracking mind.

You prison guards with your "we are not guards" mantra crack me up. No, you're a prison guard. You guard the prisoners. You guard the front gate. You guard the back gate. You guard the chow line.

Do you want some guy that molested his 10-year-old daughter running around your neighborhood if we just decided to let them try to escape? If it says shoot to kill, you shoot to kill.

I agree. Now get back to the guard tower.

biatch and whine and complain all you want, but without Corrections, YOUR ass would be dealing with them. And somehow, I doubt you'd be able to handle them.

Get an education so you can get out of that crappy job. If you have a college education, please don't tell us it's a liberal arts degree.

Cpu_thrasher: biatch and whine and complain all you want, but without Corrections, YOUR ass would be dealing with them. And somehow, I doubt you'd be able to handle them.

The guards are worse than the prisoners. Having your life in the hands of someone who is so stupid that they can't even make it as a cop is a terrifying concept. No one is more petty than a guard with a self esteem problem. I don't know how things are up there in banjo country but here in FL you are more likely to be killed or assaulted by a guard than an inmate, if you are an inmate.

BillyBob_The_Magnificent:

Brillant!

Thanks!

I'll pass. Leave this job to the uneducated and low IQ types.

Oh ho ho, I love this one. If you're going to make it in corrections, you HAVE to be smarter than the inmates you're watching. These guys aren't book-smart, but when it comes to lying, manipulating, and creativeness, NOTHING can compare. Imagine a 15-foot TV antenna sticking out of a window that is weatherproof, while only being made of newspaper and tape.

I have seen some idiotic officers that go down because they weren't smarter than the inmates, but that's what keeps the system in check, eventually, if you're a crappy officer, you will be eliminated, one way or another.

You prison guards with your "we are not guards" mantra crack me up. No, you're a prison guard. You guard the prisoners. You guard the front gate. You guard the back gate. You guard the chow line.

I see someone can't read. We don't just 'guard' the prisoners. It's like having 96 5-year-olds that whine, biatch, and complain all day. They have to be fed, they have to get to school (or work), they have to get their medical shiat taken care of. Diabetics, manic-depressives, heart-conditions, you name it, there's a prisoner that has it. And if one of them has complications or dies, it's YOUR ass, just the same as if it was someones 5-year-old on the outside.

The difference is, most of these 5-year-olds are built like god damn tanks, and if they really want to, they will find a way to kill you. You have to have the brass-farking-balls to tell some of these guys what to do, when all their life they haven't had anyone tell them the word "no".

So, yeah, I am guarding something. I'm guarding your life every damn day. Protect the Public, Protect the Officers, Protect the Inmates. That's our mantra.

Get an education so you can get out of that crappy job. If you have a college education, please don't tell us it's a liberal arts degree.

Gotta love people that automatically think someones in this job just because they're stupid. When the tech industry went belly-up, I lost my job. I was working with thousands of workstations, hundreds of servers, networks that would blow your fracking mind.

This job pays well, the benefits are excellent, and it has a 20-year retirement. With an associates, you can move through the ranks easily. That's why I do it.

I didn't know that you could be shot for trying to escape prison. I thought to be killed sans due process by a lawman, you had to be an imminent threat to someone.

Not only that, Tex here was talking about the guards shooting the pilot of a helicopter down because they thought they might be facilitating an escape attempt, a crime that hadn't even occurred yet.

By this logic, we would be within reason to blast anyone idling their car outside a bank.

Cpu_thrasher: Lets see YOU deal with 96 murderers, drug dealers, rapists, child molesters, etc. on a tier for 8 hours a day. Lets see you have to deal with making sure they get to work, making sure they get fed 3 times every day, making sure they get the medical care they need, make sure they don't get stabbed up by another inmate. Lets see you deal with all the stupid games they try to play, the contraband they try to bring in, the farking weapons that get found on a daily basis that you HOPE don't get used on you.

Yeah, and if our boys over in the middle east have to rape a few women to blow some steam off, we shouldn't pay too much mind. After all, their jobs are hard!

Protip: If someone's having trouble being a human being when dealing with prisoners, perhaps they need to join them.

vgss: I didn't know that you could be shot for trying to escape prison. I thought to be killed sans due process by a lawman, you had to be an imminent threat to someone.

Not only that, Tex here was talking about the guards shooting the pilot of a helicopter down because they thought they might be facilitating an escape attempt, a crime that hadn't even occurred yet.

By this logic, we would be within reason to blast anyone idling their car outside a bank.

That's one hell of a stretch there, Dr. Richards.

Maddogjew: I don't know how things are up there in banjo country but here in FL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahah..h.h..

GASP

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

/you guys kill me

I love the internet comment sections it's where all the sane, well adjusted people hang out.

I didn't know that you could be shot for trying to escape prison. I thought to be killed sans due process by a lawman, you had to be an imminent threat to someone.

I think the "due process" part included the preceeding arrest, trial, conviction, and sentencing that put them into a maximum security prison in the first place. As opposed to a Cop shooting a fleeing suspect who's only wanted on suspicion of a crime. That being said, I would assume "shoot to kill" doesn't apply to, say, a white-collar weekenders minimum security prison.

Meh, no big deal. If it had really been a flunky trying to rescue his evil genus master from prison he would have used a hot air balloon. Everyone knows that.

/north Ms Teschmacher!

What is the difference between a minimum security prison and a maximum security prison?


/Foreplay.

Thank baby jesus for fly over states, where else would we put prisons?

Cpu_thrasher

You have to have the brass-farking-balls to tell some of these guys what to do

Yeah must be rough being armed and telling someone who lives in a cage what to do. I know I've got this chick I keep in a pit....she scares the fark out of me!
Not to say that your job is not dangerous, but come the fark on.

I was working with thousands of workstations, hundreds of servers, networks that would blow your fracking mind.

Really? I know PLENTY of places looking for network admins, IT guys and the like..... If you worked with such leet equipment, why oh why would you take a job that (in your own words) is basically babysitting grown men with tendencies toward violence?

goldencopulations: Cpu_thrasher

You have to have the brass-farking-balls to tell some of these guys what to do

Yeah must be rough being armed and telling someone who lives in a cage what to do. I know I've got this chick I keep in a pit....she scares the fark out of me!
Not to say that your job is not dangerous, but come the fark on.

You DO realize inmates aren't in their "cages" 24/7, right?

Schnapp would not address whether the warden's office notified guards on duty.

"I'm not going to get into it as far as the logistics are on it," Schnapp said.


And that's how you ended up on FARK - by farking up the logistics of a routine visit.

Cpu_thrasher:
This job pays well, the benefits are excellent, and it has a 20-year retirement. With an associates, you can move through the ranks easily. That's why I do it.

Those are the words of someone that is constantly reminding themselves why they stay at their job.

I'm sure it isn't a picnic, but your horrible attitude is pretty apparent. The IT field is picking up again, maybe start looking around. :o

What's with hating on CO's? WTF?

Do yourselves a favor and use this amazing documentary to gain a little perspective.

Louis Theroux - Behind Bars (San Quentin) (new window)

Hoarf:
You DO realize inmates aren't in their "cages" 24/7, right?

Of course I do. My feathers get all ruffled when people speak of selflessly protecting the lives of me and my family, instead of saying "I wanted to be a cop...didn't make it".

Also, I blame not having any coffee this morning for being a cantankerous bastard.

**Shakes fist at broken coffee pot**

goldencopulations: Hoarf:
You DO realize inmates aren't in their "cages" 24/7, right?

Of course I do. My feathers get all ruffled when people speak of selflessly protecting the lives of me and my family, instead of saying "I wanted to be a cop...didn't make it".

I'm a CO at a jail myself, and I've never wanted to be a cop.