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2008-03-19 10:10:15 AM
SherKhan:
Whatever it takes for you to be the victim.


Whatever it takes to not blame Barrack Hussein Obama
 
2008-03-19 10:10:43 AM
Hang On Voltaire: Did anyone catch NPR's story about this this morning? Apparently Rev Wright's comments are my fault for not understanding black churches.

They are your fault, only because you are a farking idiot.
 
2008-03-19 10:12:13 AM
Hang On Voltaire
Did anyone catch NPR's story about this this morning?

No, maybe you should submit a link to it so that we can discuss it after listening to it ourselves, rather than relying on your "interpretation".
 
2008-03-19 10:12:36 AM
Hang On Voltaire: SherKhan:
Whatever it takes for you to be the victim.

Whatever it takes to not blame Barrack Hussein Obama


Whatever it takes to keep a darky out of the WHITE House.
 
2008-03-19 10:12:44 AM
barjockey: If he heard it, and stayed, why?

He covers that in his speech.

You may want to watch it to find out the answer.
 
2008-03-19 10:13:00 AM
Hang On Voltaire: Whatever it takes to not blame Barrack Hussein Obama

Oh, I forgot, he actually forced Wright to say those things and Wright forced him to agree with them! It all makes sense.

/also, he's not a friggin troop-housing, it's spelled Barack.
 
2008-03-19 10:13:29 AM
barjockey: If he heard it, and stayed, why? If he heard it, disagreed, and stayed for 20 years - am I supposed to believe that he is a man of conviction? If he heard it and agreed with it - do we want an America-hater as our president? I'm trying to wrap my mind around this. I'll be reasonable - but I'm not going to blindly accept what my conscience rejects.

Because he hates the sin but loves the sinner? Obama said he argues with Wright, but is a member of a church community. I haven't moved to Canada because my stupid government is torturing people and invading other countries willy-nilly. Do American Catholics dump the Pope every time his ex-Nazi wackiness floats to the surface?

Your Troll-Fu is okay... I give it 3/5

p.s. since you'll be bringing up Farrakhan next: please go look up the meaning of the word DENOUNCE before you make yourself look stupid.
 
2008-03-19 10:15:29 AM
Questioning Obama's sincerity = trolling. Check.
 
2008-03-19 10:16:19 AM
barjockey: Questioning Obama's sincerity by using logical fallacies = trolling. Check.

FTFY.
 
2008-03-19 10:17:19 AM
barjockey: Questioning Obama's sincerity Being a douchebag = trolling. Check.

FTFY
 
2008-03-19 10:17:56 AM
barjockey: Questioning Obama's sincerity = trolling. Check.

FTFM
 
2008-03-19 10:18:01 AM
barjockey: Questioning Obama's sincerity = trolling. Check.

Questioning barjockey's sincerity = out of line. Check.
 
2008-03-19 10:18:22 AM
there's a new mass email going around. here's the text of it.


Excerpt from his speech 3-18-08

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barak Hussein Obama

If he were not running for President, one could laugh at the remark.




when i got it this morning, i hit reply all (i normally just delete this shiat, but this one was way too easy). this was my reply.



FYI, that actually is not in his speech, full text of it can be found here.

http://drudgereport.com/flashos.htm

As I heard someone say this morning, "The professional outrage industry found Barack Obama's speech to be an outrage. Everyone else thinks he's the new JFK"
 
2008-03-19 10:18:36 AM
Hillary is 44?!? More like Hillary is Secret Cylon #5.

\Or a female version of Baltar
\\Who dosn't think Hillary would sell the human race out to alien oppressors?
\\\BSG FTW
 
2008-03-19 10:19:52 AM
cameroncrazy1984:

/also, he's not a friggin troop-housing

That may be a sly reference to the much neglected 3rd Amendment.
 
2008-03-19 10:20:21 AM
barjockey: C'mon Obama supporters - It's not logical to believe that in 20 years he never heard this inflammatory rhetoric. Seriously, do you know what kind of leap in logic it takes to believe that?

Well, it would be a pretty stupid leap in logic. You're arguing against something that Obama doesn't even contest. According to Obama, he has not heard some of the specific clips that have been repeated again and again on the TV, but he's not denying that he's heard inflammatory rhetoric from Wright that he's disagreed with. Of course, he said all this a year ago. . .

We're talking about a 20 year relationship both with Wright and with the Trinity UCC church. I think it would be more telling if Obama cut ties with his church after that long just because it was politically expedient in his Presidential run. Obama was a community organizer and defender and politician over that time in the largest black congregation in Chicago. His entire life after college (excluding the 3 years when he was at Harvard Law) is embedded in Trinity, and you expect him to throw that away because of a couple of clips from one aspect of that relationship?
 
2008-03-19 10:21:13 AM
politicsoffthegrid.files.wordpress.com

If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart.


That's what Obama did yesterday for America. Good job.
 
2008-03-19 10:22:42 AM
The vitriol is strong today.

I asked honest questions about a farking presidential candidate. He's not the messiah people.

Is it satisfying to discourage any debate whatsoever?
 
2008-03-19 10:23:33 AM
fosborb: barjockey: C'mon Obama supporters - It's not logical to believe that in 20 years he never heard this inflammatory rhetoric. Seriously, do you know what kind of leap in logic it takes to believe that?

Well, it would be a pretty stupid leap in logic. You're arguing against something that Obama doesn't even contest. According to Obama, he has not heard some of the specific clips that have been repeated again and again on the TV, but he's not denying that he's heard inflammatory rhetoric from Wright that he's disagreed with. Of course, he said all this a year ago. . .

We're talking about a 20 year relationship both with Wright and with the Trinity UCC church. I think it would be more telling if Obama cut ties with his church after that long just because it was politically expedient in his Presidential run. Obama was a community organizer and defender and politician over that time in the largest black congregation in Chicago. His entire life after college (excluding the 3 years when he was at Harvard Law) is embedded in Trinity, and you expect him to throw that away because of a couple of clips from one aspect of that relationship?


Exactly. I think and I think most rational Americans heard his speech and understood it. I think most people understand also that by not cutting ties to his church for it, he seems even better, because he isn't willing to throw anyone and anything under the bus when it become politically inconvenient for him.
 
2008-03-19 10:23:50 AM
barjockey: I asked honest questions about a farking presidential candidate. He's not the messiah people.

The day you ask an honest question is the day I believe that monkeys will also fly out of your butt.
 
2008-03-19 10:24:43 AM
barjockey: The vitriol is strong today.

I asked honest questions about a farking presidential candidate. He's not the messiah people.

Is it satisfying to discourage any debate whatsoever?


i haven't been following the thread but knowing you, i sincerely doubt you asked an "honest" question about obama.

i'd imagine you asked an intellectually dishonest loaded question about obama, for which you will not accept any answer but the one that you agree with, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

but that's just a wild guess based on watching you in the past.
 
2008-03-19 10:25:51 AM
barjockey:

Is it satisfying to discourage any debate whatsoever?

You know I'm a Liberal. Would you like me to conform to the caricature you're painting?
 
2008-03-19 10:25:53 AM
Hillary isn't 44, she's 60. Why do women always lie about their age? At least they could've made it believable and said she was in her early to mid 50s.
 
2008-03-19 10:27:47 AM
fosborb: . I think it would be more telling if Obama cut ties with his church after that long just because it was politically expedient in his Presidential run.

And you better believe that would be the line of attack by his critics if that indeed was what happened.

The details of what Barack does isn't really important. It is the underlying 'badness' of them that is what is really important.
 
2008-03-19 10:27:47 AM
cameroncrazy1984: barjockey: I asked honest questions about a farking presidential candidate. He's not the messiah people.

The day you ask an honest question is the day I believe that monkeys will also fly out of your butt.


And I'm trolling.

burndtdan:
i haven't been following the thread but knowing you, i sincerely doubt you asked an "honest" question about obama.

i'd imagine you asked an intellectually dishonest loaded question about obama, for which you will not accept any answer but the one that you agree with, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

but that's just a wild guess based on watching you in the past.


Why don't you read what I asked instead of this "knowing you..." garbage.

You guys are farking ridiculous.
 
2008-03-19 10:29:26 AM
barjockey: I asked honest questions about a farking presidential candidate.

No, you made an assertion based on faulty logical premises.

If he heard it, and stayed, why? Obama is the member of a church community. Do you dump your community whenever your leader does something stupid? Obama said he argues with the man, and tries to change him for everybody's benefit... gosh, almost Christian.

If he heard it, disagreed, and stayed for 20 years - am I supposed to believe that he is a man of conviction? See above.

If he heard it and agreed with it - do we want an America-hater as our president? He forcefully stated that he is a patriot and filled his speech with Revolutionary War and Constitutional references. What else do you want, him to crap red-white-blue?

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this. I'll be reasonable - but I'm not going to blindly accept what my conscience rejects.
I think you blindly accept whatever best fits your narrow viewpoint at the moment, even if you have to stoop a little. But I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd here, Ringo.
 
2008-03-19 10:30:09 AM
SherKhan: You know I'm a Liberal. Would you like me to conform to the caricature you're painting?

you just gotta hide under his bed...

i89.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-19 10:30:11 AM
barjockey: I asked honest questions about a farking presidential candidate. He's not the messiah people.

And I supplied an honest answer--A link to the man's 45 minute response to the exact question you asked.

Is it satisfying to discourage any debate whatsoever?

That word &tc...

Responding to your question is not discouraging debate, it is engaging in debate.
 
2008-03-19 10:30:33 AM
barjockey: I asked honest questions about a farking presidential candidate. He's not the messiah people.

And whenever you're proven wrong about Obama, you'll just claim that the person doing it thinks he's "the messiah".

Like the man said: whatever it takes for you to be the victim.
 
2008-03-19 10:31:55 AM
barjockey: The vitriol is strong today.

I asked honest questions about a farking presidential candidate. He's not the messiah people.

Is it satisfying to discourage any debate whatsoever?


Bring up a point, and maybe it will get debated. You question his sincerity, we get it. It's not as if you don't have a valid point - he may not be what he claims. However, he is just as credible, if not moreso, as any other candidate, viable or not. Obama talked in his speech about all the good things the church did for the community, THAT is why he believed in it.

You can throw out all the "company you keep" talking points, but the fact remains that all candidates have someone around them that makes them look bad. And Rev. Wright did not espouse hatred, or even cultural/racial dominance. You have no response to the fact that "God Damn America" is not racist, even if Hannity says it is. He didn't blame Jews or Gays or pron for 9/11, he said that American foreign policy brought it about. And no matter how much you support American foreign policy ideals for the past few decades, he is correct in that assessment.

So what is your point? If you have one, bring it. If not, shut up barjockey, you cock.
 
2008-03-19 10:33:37 AM
i161.photobucket.com

"You know what I really hate? Shrill, power-hungry, white biatches."

"Dude..."

"There's one right behind me isn't there?"
 
2008-03-19 10:33:56 AM
The copied/pasted SA thread halfway down is RICH
 
2008-03-19 10:34:17 AM
Anybody hear any good comparisons between Obama's present campaign and Mandela at the same point in South Africa's reconciliation period?

I'd be interested to know what the old guard in SA was saying at about this point in their history.
 
2008-03-19 10:35:32 AM
The hypocracy about "racism" is getting pretty damn tiresome. Just exactly what kind of species do we think we are? Pink unicorns who fart rainbows?
Newsflash: We are mean, tribal, savage killer apes. We instinctively loathe anyone who looks, walks, talks or smells different from ourselves because we are hard wired that way. We had to be to survive the 99% of our existence that preceded the advent of this paper-thin veneer we call "civilization".
Of course, now that we have a few historical moments of "civilization" under our belts, we have decided that our atavistic tribal instincts (what we call "racism") is icky, and delight of accusing one another of it in self-righteous and superior tones. And we are full of shiat. All of us. Not any particular nation, not any particular "race" (there are actually no such things as races, BTW) - all of us.
We can and will evolve out of it - but it won't be quick, it won't be easy, and it won't happen until we abandon the monumental hypocrisy of pointing fingers at each other and calling each other "racist". It's not somebody else's problem. It's yours, mine, and everybody's. Let's just grow up, drop the self-righteous, butt-hurt accusations, and deal with it. or not. But either way, please STFU with the two-faced "racist" crap. It's ludicrous.
 
2008-03-19 10:36:53 AM
I'm just kidding. I'm voting for him - heh. Go change! Hey, are there any non-Obama supporters in this thread? Let's get 'em! Maybe we can insult them into voting Obama! GOBAMA!
 
2008-03-19 10:36:56 AM
GAT_00: GAT_00: Yeah, this will turn out well. How about she resigns for Bill screwing Monica? It makes as much sense as this shiat.

/I made that full of fail


Nah, your original statement made more sense than TFA.
 
2008-03-19 10:38:41 AM
barjockey: I'm just kidding. I'm voting for him - heh. Go change! Hey, are there any non-Obama supporters in this thread? Let's get 'em! Maybe we can insult them into voting Obama! GOBAMA!

Well, if you can't explain yourself, might as well go crazy, I guess.
 
2008-03-19 10:39:17 AM
barjockey: I'm just kidding. I'm voting for him - heh. Go change! Hey, are there any non-Obama supporters in this thread? Let's get 'em! Maybe we can insult them into voting Obama! GOBAMA!


I'm not voting for Obama and I think you're a douche. If you're going to argue against something at least have valid viewpoints and be able to defend them.


\Are you even over 18 yet?
 
2008-03-19 10:39:34 AM
Mr_Fabulous: NOT SO FAST there, Mr. Gloaty Guy. I have been trying like hell to understand this pandemic, visceral hatred of HRC for years now. But every goddamn time I asked, begged, pleaded for someone to give me a good reason for their hatred, I got unmitigated bullshiat about how she's a socialist, a lesibian, or she killed Vince Foster. If you farking mouth-breathers had been able to articulate a single, compelling thought on the matter, I would have listened. It would have saved us both a lot of trouble.

I totally agree. When the campaigns started up, I asked several times why people hated Hillary so much. Like you, I never got anything that could be considered a real answer.

However, I listened and read and came up with my own reasons for not liking her as a candidate: during the Bill Clinton years, she was trying to get her version of universal healthcare passed. Even Bill was willing to work with the Republicans to find a common ground, but Hillary completely refused to sway. Personally, I'd rather know that the president is someone that is willing to work with both sides for the greater good. Her conduct throughout this campaign isn't winning her any points in my book either, I don't like that she needs to fall back on the negative so often, it says to me that she doesn't have anything good to say.
 
2008-03-19 10:40:06 AM
mrexcess: No, maybe you should submit a link to it so that we can discuss it after listening to it ourselves, rather than relying on your "interpretation".

Here it is (new window)

I heard it this morning. In a nutshell it says that the church is pretty much main stream and many of Chicago's big wigs go there. It also says that strong rhetoric is not uncommon in black churches. But, listen yourself. I think I actually had to get to the bus so I missed the end.
 
2008-03-19 10:43:15 AM
Crazy_horce: I'm not voting for Obama

Dude - you're screwed. Get out of this thread quick!
 
2008-03-19 10:43:27 AM
Wendy's Chili: "You know what I really hate? Shrill, power-hungry, white biatches."

"Dude..."

"There's one right behind me isn't there?"


Bwahahahaha! That was awesome!
 
2008-03-19 10:45:41 AM
barjockey: I asked honest questions about a farking presidential candidate.

And I gave my honest response which has been quoted several times in this thread. I'm sorry you missed it, but if you really want debate, maybe rebutting responses to your openning salvo would be a good place to start.
 
2008-03-19 10:46:27 AM
aegisalpha: The copied/pasted SA thread halfway down is RICH

Oh Christ, I missed that the first time. That Fran chick is hilarious how she takes them so seriously. Someone doesn't get the internet...
 
2008-03-19 10:47:27 AM
Sofa King Awesome: Obama is the member of a church community. Do you dump your community whenever your leader does something stupid?

This is what I think has been lost in the whole argument. A preacher is not a church. A community of people who worship together is a church. I don't expect people at a Megachurch to understand the difference but I'm surprised more Americans don't bring this up. The pastor gives his sermons for 20-30 minutes a week but what brings the people back each week is the sense of belonging from the other people in the pews. If you read his book Obama talks about how this church welcomed him and made him feel loved at a time when he was wondering where he fit in the world. Not just the pastor but the people in the community.
 
2008-03-19 10:48:10 AM
barjockey: Crazy_horce: I'm not voting for Obama

Dude - you're screwed. Get out of this thread quick!


I'm fine. I actually don't have an issue with logically defending my viewpoint. You on the other hand may need to actually go out in the world, meet some people, and make friends. Because, seriously, your attention whoring in FARK threads is quite pathetic.

You remind me of zeroPOINTzero. Only less effective.
 
2008-03-19 10:49:28 AM
barjockey: Why don't you read what I asked instead of this "knowing you..." garbage.

because in my experience, reading your posts is an exercise in futility, and beyond that, i have too much work to do to start scrolling through a 150 posts to find it.
 
2008-03-19 10:49:45 AM
fosborb: Ed Finnerty: Surprised no one mentioned the awesome analogy that was going around: Clinton is playing checkers not realizing that Obama is playing chess.

I don't know. It seems to me more like Obama is playing chess and Clinton is playing Stratego.


Possibly. But if she is she has placed the spies and bombs all in the first row.
 
2008-03-19 10:50:16 AM
barjockey:
The vitriol is strong today.
It is; you should stop using it.

I asked honest questions about a farking presidential candidate. He's not the messiah people.

Is it satisfying to discourage any debate whatsoever?


No, you asked logical fallacies and made insults; which I will no go through and point out so that everyone who is just joining the thread can read them and righfully point at you and laugh.

barjockey: They actually make a good point. But of course I understand blind allegiance, and mindless chants of "change" prevail above all else, so it's a complete waste of time to try and pin anything to Barack "The Teflon Wonder" Obama.

So, you start off by agreeing with an anti-Obama, hate site, that is calling for him to resign because someone he knows said something. Will you also be calling for Hillary to resign because Geraldine Ferraro said that minorities and women aren't really qualified for politics and that they only go any distance because they minorities or women?

As for people, attending a rally, for a candidate, chanting a slogan, I would like to see you rail against Hillary, McCain, Ron Paul and every other candidate in history since the beginning of the election process. Because chanting slogans is soooooo 1000 BC.

Finally, you sum up this paragraph by insulting Obama via a comparison to the Teflon Don. One wonders if you use these same invectives against Hillary "Crotchrot" Clinton or John "Madman" McCain.

Score so far: Utter Stupidity: 1 Honest Questions and Debate: 0

In any case, if I was a member of a church, and my pastor said something that I wholeheartedly disagreed with and that offended me, I'm finding another church. You would too. But somehow, Obama gets a pass.

Well... perhaps the Obama is more willing to listen to someone who has both good and bad ideas, use the good ideas and reject the bad. Of course in the world Obama and most of us live in, the world is shades of grey, so compromise and taking good from bad are needed things. In your world of pure white(aryan?) and black, things are only good or bad and can't be both apparently. And the spirtual centers that I attend all say things I strongly disagree with and some things I strongly agree with, then again I am willing to listen to people and take away good things when I find them.

I wouldn't increase your stupid total for this paragraph, as it is coherant and almost makes a valid point. Unfortunately, you close with that pedantic crap about Obama getting a free pass.

If you mean getting dragged over the coals in the press a free pass, sure. Of course the real question is "Why shouldn't he get a free pass?"

I am curious how many of the good reverands speeches you watched or listened to. No, no.. reading the analysis on Fox News or Hillaryis44 doesn't count. I mean actually reading or watching them for yourself, then doing a little ressearch...

I am guessing none...

Score so far: Utter Stupidity: 2 Honest Questions and Debate: 0

C'mon Obama supporters - It's not logical to believe that in 20 years he never heard this inflammatory rhetoric. Seriously, do you know what kind of leap in logic it takes to believe that?

Where were you on the night of January 13th 1982 at 7:45 PM. Who were you with and what did they say? WORD FOR WORD!

Sorry, it is even more illogical to believe that Obama should know everything the reverand has ever said. He isn't Omniscient, as you point out, he isn't the messiah.

Score so far: Utter Stupidity: 3 Honest Questions and Debate: 0

If he heard it, and stayed, why? If he heard it, disagreed, and stayed for 20 years - am I supposed to believe that he is a man of conviction? If he heard it and agreed with it - do we want an America-hater as our president? I'm trying to wrap my mind around this. I'll be reasonable - but I'm not going to blindly accept what my conscience rejects.

I already addressed this above, as it is just a rehash of your same point. I guess I will rehash for the sake of completeness; perhaps Obama is more open-minded than you and willing to listen to people who have both good and bad things sto say and stay to argue with them when they are wrong.

Final: Utter Stupidity: 4 Honest Questions and Debate: 0
 
2008-03-19 10:52:41 AM
gtraz: A community of people who worship together is a church.

So he's a communist. ;-) Some people you just can't reach.
 
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