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(MSNBC)   Corn ethanol production is going to kill everything in the Gulf of Mexico. Thank goodness it's making gas more affordable   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 32
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2008-03-18 07:40:23 PM
The Indians call it fuel.
 
2008-03-18 07:44:44 PM
hold me
 
2008-03-18 08:20:45 PM
More what?

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the klaxon coming from my sarcasm detector. MY SARCASM DETEC... oh, never mind.
 
2008-03-18 08:40:39 PM
*ahem*sugarcaneethanol*cough*
 
2008-03-18 08:45:45 PM
America says; "AWWW FARK I SHOT MYSELF ON THE FOOT!"
 
2008-03-18 08:49:17 PM
I blame global warming. It is the reason/excuse for every other bad thing that happens.
 
2008-03-18 08:57:07 PM
NeauxFear: *ahem*sugarcaneethanol*cough*

Be great if the climate was as suitable as it is to corn.

Burning things will only get us so far. Long-term, geothermal, wind, and tidal where it's feasible, solar everywhere else. And nuclear wherever solar doesn't cooperate with the weather.

Subsidies for corn are outrageous, same with beef. But that's another rant.
 
2008-03-18 08:59:38 PM
Sir Vanderhoot: NeauxFear: *ahem*sugarcaneethanol*cough*

Be great if the climate was as suitable as it is to corn.

Burning things will only get us so far. Long-term, geothermal, wind, and tidal where it's feasible, solar everywhere else. And nuclear wherever solar doesn't cooperate with the weather.

Subsidies for corn are outrageous, same with beef. But that's another rant.




*ahem*switchgrassethanol*cough*growsanyfarkingwhere*cough*

Thank the corn lobby for this BS. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Ethanol is viable just not from corn. The only thing that is good for is bourbon.
 
2008-03-18 09:19:57 PM
I thought just about everything was dead there already due to lack of oxygen.

OK, so the dead zone isn't that big.
 
2008-03-18 09:21:05 PM
Oh, now I rtfa.
 
2008-03-18 09:25:35 PM
sweet delicous bourbon.
 
2008-03-18 09:29:43 PM
Switchgrass for the win...I tried to plant some i my back yard as an experiment. It took off, and was attempting to take over the hops garden (the HORROR!). The stuff is easier to grow than a spider plant.

The game is controlled by ADM, Cargill, and ConAgra, not "the small family farmer." Time to get some return on the taxpayers' investment, IMHO.
 
2008-03-18 10:01:10 PM
Food for Oil will never work, no matter how it is done. Don't know if TFA covers it, but the Smithsonian Magazine (of all things!) did a few great articles about the insanity that is 1) corn subsidies, 2) corn for ethanol fuel, and 3) the environmental damage caused by nitrogen-hungry corn.

Corn-made ethanol does not produce enough net energy to make up for what is expended on growing it, not only because the farming equippment used to make it relies more on Petrol, but also because it needs an insane amount of fixed nitrogen fertilizer to grow, which 1) is primarily made from either an energy-hungry coal, coke, or oil-fired fixing process, and 2) the runoff of which is poisoning our waterways.

Now will someone please tell the F*CKING MORONS who think this is a great idea to please stop?

/Don't get me started on what happens when corn feed for our primary meat sources of beef, pork, and chicken skyrockets... especially since all the fish will be gone from over-fishing or being poisoned to death by nitrogen runoff...
 
2008-03-18 10:11:06 PM
Sir Vanderhoot: Be great if the climate was as suitable as it is to corn.

In the subtropical and southern temperate regions of the US, where sugarcane grows easily with little fertilizer, you can grow enough cane so that the produced ethanol is more than that which the corn lobby proposes. Basically, the process is much more efficient and can produce the same amount of ethanol with fewer acres of farmed land. I don't know if this applies to switchgrass or not, or to what degree, but nothing says we can't use both, either.

Since CAFTA screwed the domestic market for cane sugar in favor of Costa Rica, USDA has been paying a shiat-ton of Louisiana cane farmers to not plant. Instead, LA Congressmen Jindal (R-now governor) and Melancon (D-Napoleonville) have been lobbying for federally-subsidized loans to refit local sugar refineries for ethanol production, and weaning cane farmers off of taxpayer-funded subsidization.
 
2008-03-18 10:29:18 PM
Let's see....Corn Ethenol fuel:
A) costs more per gallon to fill your car
B) gets worse mileage
C) must be transported by truck
E) on average takes 2 gallons of conventional fuel to make 1
gallon of ethenol
F) causes the increase of the price of corn, which in turn, causes
the increase of price in: corn based foods like Feed, Milk, Cheese, Cerials, etc. and
anything wheat-based because many wheat farmers are growing
corn now.
Yeah, brilliant idea on ethenol.
 
2008-03-18 11:26:00 PM
strangeguitar: The Indians call it fuel.


Those top fuel teepee races are always so exciting!
 
2008-03-18 11:43:37 PM
I hear that Mexico has been growing corn for ethanol instead of maize (corn/corn flour)- this is the basis for Mexico and the cultures that proceeded it. As this happens, the cost of food down their goes up and people can't afford to eat. They start looking about and see that there is plenty of food in the US.

NAFTA has helped drive this and while it might be helping the US, it isn't helping Mexico.
 
2008-03-19 12:20:00 AM
Ethanol as a fuel source is a terrible idea.

Ethanol carries less 'bang' per gallon than gasoline, and a whole hell of a lot less than Diesel.
 
2008-03-19 12:22:01 AM
Burning food for fuel hasn't worked in what, 10,000 years or so?

I work across the street from the largest corn plant in the USA. ADM owns it, it needs to be destroyed. Every time I go to the grocery store I curse ADM, sand attractive and successful African-Americans, and oil company execs.

Want directions to the corn plant, just ask.
 
2008-03-19 12:23:53 AM
attractive and successful African-Americans

Who writes the filter material??? HILARIOUS!!!
 
2008-03-19 01:28:39 AM
Can't make an omelette, etc.
 
2008-03-19 03:33:35 AM
thespindrifter

Corn-made ethanol does not produce enough net energy to make up for what is expended on growing it, not only because the farming equippment used to make it relies more on Petrol, but also because it needs an insane amount of fixed nitrogen fertilizer to grow, which 1) is primarily made from either an energy-hungry coal, coke, or oil-fired fixing process, and 2) the runoff of which is poisoning our waterways.

Now will someone please tell the F*CKING MORONS who think this is a great idea to please stop?

/Don't get me started on what happens when corn feed for our primary meat sources of beef, pork, and chicken skyrockets... especially since all the fish will be gone from over-fishing or being poisoned to death by nitrogen runoff...


Very good points, you've covered most of the bases here.

I'd add that ethanol will also be no less expensive and quite possibly become more expensive per gallon than unleaded gasoline. The savings to Americans are zero. Oh and now you're food is also more expensive.

But it's better for us cause the money goes to Americans right? We'll simply be trading the Arab Oil Mafia for the Kansas Corn Mafia.

Won't get fooled again.

\meet the new boss
\\same as the old boss
 
2008-03-19 07:27:24 AM
limboslam: Let's see....Corn Ethenol fuel:
A) costs more per gallon to fill your car
B) gets worse mileage
C) must be transported by truck
E) on average takes 2 gallons of conventional fuel to make 1
gallon of ethenol
F) causes the increase of the price of corn, which in turn, causes
the increase of price in: corn based foods like Feed, Milk, Cheese, Cerials, etc. and
anything wheat-based because many wheat farmers are growing
corn now.
Yeah, brilliant idea on ethenol.


And the proponents are pushing to up the ethanol content in gas too. Self-rightousness always trumps science and common sense.
 
2008-03-19 08:17:33 AM
bighairyguy: limboslam: Let's see....Corn Ethenol fuel:
A) costs more per gallon to fill your car
B) gets worse mileage
C) must be transported by truck
E) on average takes 2 gallons of conventional fuel to make 1
gallon of ethenol
F) causes the increase of the price of corn, which in turn, causes
the increase of price in: corn based foods like Feed, Milk, Cheese, Cerials, etc. and
anything wheat-based because many wheat farmers are growing
corn now.
Yeah, brilliant idea on ethenol.

And the proponents are pushing to up the ethanol content in gas too. Self-rightousness always trumps science and common sense.


And yet we will still see people arguing that it's all worth it due to some imaginary belief that it makes us less dependent on oil.

Kinda like your cold medicine giving you vomiting and rectal bleeding all at the same time. Buy hey, at least your cold is gone, right?
 
2008-03-19 01:10:52 PM
At some point we'll finally acknowledge that the only means of not farking ourselves will be strictly enforced breeding caps.
 
2008-03-19 02:56:20 PM
WHERE WILL ALL THE MEXICANS GO?!
 
2008-03-19 03:16:58 PM
Article is bullshait. Corn acreage is predicted to be down this year,several million acres, for many reasons, one being the price of nitrogen fertilizer. Second being the price of soybeans, which require no nitrogen fertilizer. Wheat prices are up also, contributing to the shift away from corn acres.
 
2008-03-19 03:18:57 PM
limboslam, which ethanol plant do you work at??
 
2008-03-19 03:26:24 PM
Personally I'm for biodiesel made from waste products (new window). I mean, the stuff is already being produced anyways, right?

Only as a part of the program Sir Vanderhoot describes.
 
2008-03-19 03:54:58 PM
Methinks submitter is confused. Ethanol was not devised to make fuel cheaper. It was devised as an alternative to oil.

/is it submitter, or is it me?
 
2008-03-19 04:20:08 PM
vevolis: WHERE WILL ALL THE MEXICANS GO?!

The same place they always go, to the USA.
 
2008-03-19 04:21:37 PM
bigmatty87: Methinks submitter is confused. Ethanol was not devised to make fuel cheaper. It was devised as an alternative to oil.

/is it submitter, or is it me?


Cost would be a secondary consideration. The primary consideration is getting a headline greenlit.
 
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