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(STLToday)   Man who taped infamous police encounter files federal civil rights violation case says he wasn't baiting police with the camera in his car, but that the police are thankful he had one because they still can't find their dashcam video   ( stltoday.com) divider line
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2008-03-18 02:05:50 PM  
I once was driving home from visiting a couple friends at wheaton college in Wheaton, IL. I would visit there every week. I had been pulled over every week like 4 or 5 times in a row before this particular incident. Each time they said somebody "called" complaining I was casing the neighborhood to try to steal things. Then they would ask to search my vehicle. This was probably due to the fact I was driving an older, and sort of rusting '78 Impala that betrayed I wasn't rich.

It had gotten old at that point. So I refused them to allow a search. They went and got a search warrant (I just slept in the car). My trunk was completely full of garbage. Literally stuff I probably should have thrown away. They took out everything out of my trunk and put it in the street (They must of thought I sold drugs or something, I don't know what). They found absolutely nothing illegal.

The cops were extremely pissed off that they found nothing (this had taken up around 4 or 5 hours of their and my time). They said I could then put the stuff back in my car. I informed them I had been pulled over every week I drove home from Wheaton, each time I had done nothing illegal, and I wasn't putting anything back in my car. If they wanted the garbage back in my car, they could put it back, since they had taken it out. They threatened ticketing me with littering, and I said that was fine. If they wanted to ticket me for littering I was OK with that and would see them in court. Then they put the garbage back in my trunk.

They stopped pulling me over after that.
 
2008-03-18 02:07:17 PM  
jso2897: A$$man:
Dude - NEVER get sucked into defending your screenname. The other day, some clown posted his view that all posters with numbers in their screennames were right-wing fundy types. I started to respond, and then...just...didn't. Waste of time.

Good advice.

/Did I really agree with you?

Why not? I'm trying to have a civil conversation here. We disagree about the legitimacy of this guys lawsuit, but if we were sitting across from each other in a bar, I'd be arguing my point the same way - not telling you to go suck a cop's dick or some crap like that. Who needs that shiat?


DAMN YOU SOCIAL INTERACTION FORUM THAT ALLOWS FOR CONCISE AND REASONABLE DIALOG!!!
 
2008-03-18 02:08:19 PM  
bunner: A$$man Stand by my point... only a biotch would sue.

Anybody who sperates the world into people who are or aren't "biotches" is a bad cops wet dream.

And a NWO autocrat's, too.


I only wanted to be loved... is that so wrong???
 
2008-03-18 02:11:22 PM  
Here's my take : If I were this guy, and had experienced the first incident, and seen the cop fired for it, I'd be satisfied, and file it under "D" for done deal.
But if his friends on the force started harrassing me subsequently, I'd do something, and civil litigation would probably be it if all else failed.
Now, if this guy's allegations of harrassment are false, that will come out in court. If they are not - that's some pretty unacceptable shiat right there, and somebody needs to get spanked for it.
 
2008-03-18 02:14:16 PM  
newtekie1: Every police office is corrupt, they all have quotas to meet and they all hassle people to make those quotas. They all make up charges. They could be spending their time actually fighting crime, but none of them do. They would rather hassle people in parking lots, or show up to work drunk, drive around in their cruizers drunk, and then pull over other people and arrest them for being drunk.

"OMG, I just painted the entire world with one stroke!"

I have never had any problems with police officers and have found them to be pretty friendly. But somehow, somehow, I resist thinking that all police everywhere must be pretty nice guys.

This thread is full of either "COPS ARE GREAT!!!" and "COPS ARE EVIL!!!" morans when, like every other profession, some are corrupt douchebags and others are regular, nice dudes.
 
2008-03-18 02:15:05 PM  
Where's czarangulus?
 
2008-03-18 02:17:50 PM  
Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

I think he finally decided to put his degree to work and open up a little corner philosophy shop.
 
2008-03-18 02:19:09 PM  
isaaczeke like every other profession, some are corrupt douchebags and others are regular, nice dudes.

Only these corrupt douchewads are armed to the teeth, can blow your head off with impunuity and just tuck a .25 auto in your dead hand.

Sort of puts it in a different light from skimming the helium fund.

I am pro good cop. There are no "bad" cops. Those are called criminals. I am anti-criminal.
 
2008-03-18 02:22:21 PM  
I certainly agree that older and faster cars do get pulled over often.

A 2000 Grand Am is a pretty old car, by the way. I used to get tickets for 7 over in my ancient 7 series BMW. Now I drive a nice grandma-style car and haven't had a ticket in years though my driving style is unchanged.

I don't really think there's anything wrong with that. I doubt the blond driving the Lexus SUV is casing the neighborhood. It's when police lie, when they threaten to invent crimes, when they assault kids like that skateboarder when they should be thrown in prison.

If this police department has evidence that the officer is a felon (and they clearly do), then he had better be behind bars or out on bail. Firing a cop is not enough.

Cameras and the youtube era is making us safer. Anyone who thinks that when both sides show up with video we aren't getting better justice is wrong. It is great evidence. Someone should sell a cheap and easy to install car cam that records all directions and will send the last and next 30 minutes to a secure server is a panic button is pressed (such as when you are pulled over). You would make a ton of money.

In fact.... I might just!
 
2008-03-18 02:22:24 PM  
LSinLV: ...I am also contemplating adding some video/audio capture device in my GTI...with it being bright yellow...

It's amazing how little of someone's post you actually have to read before realizing they're a douche.
 
2008-03-18 02:22:58 PM  
abb3w: Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: in the month I've owned my 2000 Grand Am, I've been pulled over three times

Driving a penismobile gets you pulled over more often. One of my former housemates had a nice sportscar, and was frequently pulled for anything over 9 MPH over the limit on the highways. I usually don't get tagged until I edge the border of reckless, but drive a boring green Honda.


Sometimes you don't even need a penis mobile. My husband and I lived in a small town in a rural county in Ohio and I heard many stories of the local cops, sherrifs, and patrolmen being real douchbags. But I never really paid much attention. Then, a few months after we had lived there, I was working overtime and had to be at work at 4 am. On a Monday, I noticed that a highway patrolman had turned around and started following me. I didn't worry about it, I wasn't doing anything wrong. He followed me for a couple of miles and lost interest.

This happend every day for a week, with the patrolman following me a little further each day. The following Monday, he finally pulled me over.

He wouldn't tell me why, he demanded to see my registration, insurance, and license. I asked him again, why I was pulled over and he just said he would explain after he ran my info. He took them back to his car and I sat there for almost twenty minutes. Finally he came back and asked me why I was out driving at that time in the morning. I told him I had to be at work early and there were no laws saying I couldn't be out just driving around. That is when he suddenly became Johnny Law. He said that I seemed seem to have a problem with him and had attitude about being pulled over.

I told him of course I did, he hadn't given me a reason why I was pulled over and I told I noticed that he had been following me every day the previous week (the patrol car's tags were the same everyday and some days I actually got a look at his face when he was in the oposite lane before he did a u-turn to follow me).

He told me he pulled me over because the trailer hitch and dirt covered my plate numbers. Which is weird, because the truck didn't have a trailer hitch and when I got to work I checked the plate for dirt and it was spotless.

Then he generously told me he would let me go with a warning. For the next couple mornings, he would be in the same place along my way to work and then he probably moved on to someone else to harass.
 
2008-03-18 02:27:35 PM  
So, a legally manufactured automotive product with specific styling traits triggers some sort of response in cops that makes them think "This guy thinks he's got a big dick!" and it's ok to pull them over?

We give these people guns?
 
2008-03-18 02:28:06 PM  
Dogberry: Battle of the tools if you ask me.

This
 
2008-03-18 02:33:32 PM  
Dogberry: Battle of the tools if you ask me.

I hardly think using technology to protect yourself against people with guns and a licnese to shoot, maim or harass you and take your property without just cause, because they have a uniform, makes you a tool.

Hell, you just described the entire armed forces of any nation.
 
2008-03-18 02:36:42 PM  
siva:
I've known good cops and I've know bad ones. The simple fact of the matter is that it would take 2-3 good police officers to make up for every bad officer.


Unfortunately, even the 'good' cops will cover for the bad cop's bad behavior. That's the code. If they don't, they will not get backup when they need it. This makes them ALL bad cops.

Mr. GoodCop: "yeah, officer Dickfore is a total douche. But I'd never rat him out- the guy has a family!"

Thus making Mr. GoodCop just as culpable as officer Dickfore. All cops are corrupt. Some just more than others.
 
2008-03-18 02:36:42 PM  
"If anyone ever passes by and sees me being beaten up, and you happen to have a video camera in your hand...please put down the camera and HELP ME!"

-Bobcat Goldwait

/just popped into my mind for some reason
 
2008-03-18 02:38:46 PM  
Yeah, baited or not, the cop still acted like an ass on tape.

He deserved to be fired.
 
2008-03-18 02:40:23 PM  
Trojan_Whore: LSinLV: ...I am also contemplating adding some video/audio capture device in my GTI...with it being bright yellow...

It's amazing how little of someone's post you actually have to read before realizing they're a douche.


Good point. For instance, I only had to read half of yours, but I went ahead and finished it just in case. Should've stuck with my first impression.
 
2008-03-18 02:42:50 PM  
bunner: guns and a licnese to shoot, maim or harass you and take your property without just cause,

exagerrate much? Really helps make your point and make you seem like a rational, thought provoking poster.

FWIW and to get back on topic, they (cops) should be held to a higher standard because of their position in society. There are going to be asshats in any profession, and I am sure cops attract a higher percentage of bullies and fascists (did I say that?). Screen applicants better, pay better, enforces rules more stringently. I would imagine it's tought to break the "us vs them" mentality especially for police units that patrol very bad neighborhoods/areas...seems like that is the beginning of the end though when that attitude takes root.
 
2008-03-18 02:45:24 PM  
Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

Not wondering where you are, that's for sure.
 
2008-03-18 02:45:55 PM  
onecanshort: ThatGuyGreg: kronicfeld: Where are you reading that he did that?

How do you figure that an article linked by Fark suddenly has all the details laid out? Are you telling me this average white guy from near St. Louis got a world of shiat from a cop for no reason?

The article may not have all the detail, but the video linked has it all.

And yes, that average white kid from St. Louis got a world of shiat from a cop for no reason other than the guy asked a few questions and quoted his rights since the cop just started questioning him for no reason whatsoever.

So maybe he's guilty of a 317, but that's about it.


317?? Places of prostitution (Penal Code 317)?? Are you also a cop that makes up charges to falsely arrest people because you think they are jerks?
 
2008-03-18 02:49:56 PM  
johnny_vegas bunner: guns and a licnese to shoot, maim or harass you and take your property without just cause

exagerrate much? Really helps make your point and make you seem like a rational, thought provoking poster.

So, are you telling me that that scenario is totally out of the question or are you just getting all sniffy and high horsey, as is the wont of the truly rational, thought-provoking poster?
 
2008-03-18 02:50:14 PM  
mccallcl: Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

Not wondering where you are, that's for sure.


What's that supposed to mean?
 
2008-03-18 02:53:16 PM  
bunner: johnny_vegas bunner: guns and a licnese to shoot, maim or harass you and take your property without just cause

exagerrate much? Really helps make your point and make you seem like a rational, thought provoking poster.

So, are you telling me that that scenario is totally out of the question or are you just getting all sniffy and high horsey, as is the wont of the truly rational, thought-provoking poster?


well, a little of both really. You are equivocating now, though...you ask me if the scenario is possible...yes, but you don't paint a scenario, you used a broad brush to depict all cops.
But if you would like to show me this liscense you speak of, go for it.
 
2008-03-18 02:53:22 PM  
"Although Kuehnlein also claimed to be taping the encounter with his dash-mounted video camera, the tape has since been lost or destroyed."

something like that happened here in Santa Rosa:
a mentally ill man was shot by several officers in the lobby of the police station, and their surveillance system was mysteriously "not functioning" at the time: "police have stated that the video camera in the lobby did not have any film in it."

I think the man, Dale Robbins might have been doing something wrong, but it is certainly an odd coincidence that thier surveillance sytem was not working that particular day.
http://www.sfweekly.com/1997-09-17/news/duck-you-re-in-wine-country/fu​ll

a Federal Civil Rights Commision stated that Santa Rosa Police had the worst "us versus them" mentality seen in 20 years:
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/santarosacivilrights.htm

i say +1 for the dude with the video evidence. he must be very lucky to have gotten on tape the one time a cop threatened somebody with bogus charges.

God Bless America, now more than ever!
 
2008-03-18 02:53:38 PM  
Nigerians with Attitude Say:

Fark da police....!
 
2008-03-18 02:56:41 PM  
bunner: So, a legally manufactured automotive product with specific styling traits triggers some sort of response in cops that makes them think "This guy thinks he's got a big dick!" and it's ok to pull them over?

We give these people guns?


Why so angry?
 
2008-03-18 02:58:23 PM  
Why so angry?

Cable out? : )
 
2008-03-18 02:59:01 PM  
yes, but you don't paint a scenario, you used a broad brush to depict all cops.

Did I?

As long as we're playing show and tell...
 
2008-03-18 02:59:34 PM  
skrilled: This is how it's been the last 3 times I've been pulled over:

Unfortunately, this is how it should go:

Cop: "So where you heading?"

You: "I have no desire to discuss my personal life with you, sir."

/may require in-dash cam to record subsequent events, as cops do not like being put in their place
 
2008-03-18 03:07:00 PM  
johnny_vegas: bunner: guns and a licnese to shoot, maim or harass you and take your property without just cause,

exagerrate much? Really helps make your point and make you seem like a rational, thought provoking poster.


What do you think is an exageration? Cops harrass people. There are plenty of stories in this thread (or any fark cop thread) of that happening.

Cops shoot people. Again, plenty of news stories of this happening.

Cops can take your property. Both 'wrongly' (ie: cops searches your car during a traffic stop, your ashtray full of change mysteriously disappears) and 'rightly' (ie: 'drug' seizures).
 
2008-03-18 03:08:23 PM  
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2008-03-18 03:14:58 PM  
bunner: Did I?...

yes
 
2008-03-18 03:29:35 PM  
Arcli9ht: SlothB77: question: where do you find a camera designed for in-car installation and how much do they cost?

A good DVR (720p record) + a wide-angle bullet camera (mounted by the dome light, facing forward to capture the road, rear view mirror, spedometer, and as much of the cabin as possible) will run you 700 and up.

Hide the DVR in the car and run a remote switch, or get a dvr with a decent battery and let it run 24/7 with a couple day backlog of footage. Most DVRs I've looked at have dual audio inputs, so put one microphone by the driver's seat and one on the exterior front of the car. In theory, anything that happens behind your car would be on the officer's dashcam.

/had two traffic stops and have never had a problem with the officer.
//have a script and follow it.


script, please.
 
2008-03-18 03:29:49 PM  
johnny_vegas bunner: Did I?...

yes

Care to tighten that up for me, Lord Succint? Or do you just need ~n amount of baseless condescenscion per day?
 
2008-03-18 03:31:51 PM  
Where are you headed tonight?

Your mom's house omg lol.
 
2008-03-18 03:36:44 PM  
strange how big blue gets so uppety if you dare to even mention "rights".

I would guess every cop out there has abused his power similar to this at least once in there career.

Used to know a local guy who was a part timer, for parades ,concerts, etc.. basically anytime they needed an extra or even a court baliff a few times,he was a solid guy, used to even smoke the herb with me.
He got hired on with the force and because of all the extra schooling he had gone through he was promoted very soon after and he became that guy in the video in record time.

had to bust out the Body Count CD on this one. If only there was some kind of super hero cop fighter guy?

Smoked Pork.
 
2008-03-18 03:37:31 PM  

Cop - Probably having a less than good night, acts unprofessionally (stupidly, actually), and says and does really dumb things. Result - as it should be, cop no longer a cop.


Kid - Breaking the law? No. Acting like a dumb ass and asking unnecessary questions to see what happens? Yes.

Now the tax payers of St. Whatever are going to be on the hook for settlement (and attorneys' fees - totalling in the millions). That's what you get for not putting enough chlorine in the gene pool.

 
2008-03-18 03:37:54 PM  
mooseyfate: Good point. For instance, I only had to read half of yours, but I went ahead and finished it just in case. Should've stuck with my first impression.

Damn, and here you had me caring right up until I clicked your profile.
 
2008-03-18 03:38:23 PM  
jso2897: Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

I think he finally decided to put his degree to work and open up a little corner philosophy shop.


It seems he may have created a few new user names and is adding quite a bit to this thread. Like ArcadianRefugee, Finger51, skrilled...
 
2008-03-18 03:42:31 PM  
Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: in the month I've owned my 2000 Grand Am, I've been pulled over three times.

In the seven years I've owned my 2000 Grand Am I've never been pulled over. I think you're doing it wrong.
 
2008-03-18 03:52:20 PM  
toddhrog
Cop - Probably having a less than good night, acts unprofessionally (stupidly, actually) illegally, and says and does really dumb things violates a person's civil rights and threatens to illegally imprison them. Result - as it should be, cop no longer a cop.

Kid - Breaking the law? No. Acting like a dumb ass and asking unnecessary questions to see what happens? Yes. Demanding to know why he's been stopped and asserting that, despite what the cop may think, he does indeed have rights. Yes


FTFY
 
2008-03-18 03:54:53 PM  
Great Caesar's Toast toddhrog
Cop - Probably having a less than good night, acts unprofessionally (stupidly, actually) illegally, and says and does really dumb things violates a person's civil rights and threatens to illegally imprison them. Result - as it should be, cop no longer a cop.

Kid - Breaking the law? No. Acting like a dumb ass and asking unnecessary questions to see what happens? Yes. Demanding to know why he's been stopped and asserting that, despite what the cop may think, he does indeed have rights. Yes


THIS.

Yeah, hypocrisy is a home-fried biatch.
 
FZ6
2008-03-18 03:56:31 PM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: That doesn't make you a prick. Here's your version of the world:

Cop: "We're stopping you for no reason."
Guy: "You can't do that."
You: "Hey guy, you're a prick."


Okay, fine - he was being a smartass. You can look at it however you want. And no, that's not my version of the world. Never said I was approving the cop doing something wrong. I said the guy was acting like a prick, which he was. Again, if you want to misinterpret me, have fun. I don't care - because like the picture says "Arguing on the internet..."

So, wait, here's your updated version of the world:

Guy rides without taillight covers and knows its illegal, has no right to biatch about repercussions from cops.

Cop pulls over people for no reason and searches them illegally knowing full well it's illegal, has every right to biatch about repercussions from citizens, and the citizens who make the complaint are pricks?

Yeah, that actually is cop fellation, guy. I'd love to see you defend what I've just illustrated as blatantly hypocritical.


Yep, that's pretty much my version. If one knows good and well that it's illegal to ride with darkened taillight covers, but continues to do it anyway, he/she should expect to get pulled over.

As far as defending what you think is "blatantly hypocritical" of me, well I will. Again, I never said that the cop was right for what he did (it's in another one of my posts). I said that I'm sick of seeing people cry and complain all of the time about what cops are doing "wrong", and act like nothing is ever the fault of anyone else. It couldn't possibly be that the person being pulled over was actually doing something wrong and they are suffering the consequences. That's just complete crazy-talk.

(If you don't believe me, then read on fark almost every single freaking day it seems like about some idiot being pulled over for speeding/driving recklessly while transporting drugs)

And at this point, I've already repeated myself 3 times. Short version:
The guy is an idiot
The cop did something stupid
They are both at fault
Not every cop is bad
 
2008-03-18 03:56:37 PM  
ThatGuyGreg: kronicfeld: Spelling America with a "k," now, are we?

LOL - I knew as soon as I wrote that, someone would read it wrong.

Word travels FAST around a police station, and after the first or second encounter with this guy, I'm sure they were pulling him over if there was a little dirt covering his inspection sticker. I'm not saying it's right, but let's face it - treating a cop like less than a person to his face doesn't make you any friends.


Huh? He was very repsectful to the cop.

The Cop started throwing a fit and was too farking stupid to calm down.

He got himself fired for it. Moran.
 
2008-03-18 04:02:04 PM  
FZ6
The guy is an idiot
The cop did something stupid illegal
They are both at fault
Not every cop is bad


Let's not mince words. And how, exactly, was the kid an idiot?
 
2008-03-18 04:02:37 PM  
Lem Motlow: jso2897: Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

I think he finally decided to put his degree to work and open up a little corner philosophy shop.

It seems he may have created a few new user names and is adding quite a bit to this thread. Like ArcadianRefugee, Finger51, skrilled...


You know, if I was the admin of a popular forum, looking for more hits, making up outrageous posters would be one good method to keep a thread alive.

Just saying... Not that you need to make up idiots on the internet, but the ratio is suspiciously high on some sites.
 
2008-03-18 04:02:42 PM  
Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

I think he finally decided to put his degree to work and open up a little corner philosophy shop.

It seems he may have created a few new user names and is adding quite a bit to this thread. Like ArcadianRefugee


?
 
2008-03-18 04:06:19 PM  
ArcadianRefugee
It seems he may have created a few new user names and is adding quite a bit to this thread. Like ArcadianRefugee

?


Oh sure go ahead and deny it you...you...ALT!
 
2008-03-18 04:08:46 PM  
Great Caesar's Toast: Oh sure go ahead and deny it you...you...ALT!

I CAN HATE JOOS NOW?
 
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