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(STLToday)   Man who taped infamous police encounter files federal civil rights violation case says he wasn't baiting police with the camera in his car, but that the police are thankful he had one because they still can't find their dashcam video   ( stltoday.com) divider line
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2008-03-18 11:04:12 AM  
SlothB77: question: where do you find a camera designed for in-car installation and how much do they cost?

A good DVR (720p record) + a wide-angle bullet camera (mounted by the dome light, facing forward to capture the road, rear view mirror, spedometer, and as much of the cabin as possible) will run you 700 and up.

Hide the DVR in the car and run a remote switch, or get a dvr with a decent battery and let it run 24/7 with a couple day backlog of footage. Most DVRs I've looked at have dual audio inputs, so put one microphone by the driver's seat and one on the exterior front of the car. In theory, anything that happens behind your car would be on the officer's dashcam.

/had two traffic stops and have never had a problem with the officer.
//have a script and follow it.
 
2008-03-18 11:04:14 AM  
spacepunk


If you saw the footage of the whole thing beyond the 3 second loop the media played, you'd have beat his ass also if you were there.


ever seen american history X?
 
2008-03-18 11:05:16 AM  
Cops are divorced from reality. They live in a vaccuum. They send their kids to the Cop Daycare and their wives and kids only socialize with other cop families. Cops are only friends with other cops. They only attend cop events. The Fraternal Order of Police Myopia.

From this self-inflicted isolation Cops are less human that we are. They experience fewer of the real-life scenarios that create wisdom and foresight.

Real citizens purposely avoid cops and cop families because real citizens realize a person can't be a 'cop" and be a normal human. The two are exclusive of one another.
 
2008-03-18 11:06:28 AM  
My car slid off the road this winter. Hard to believe I know but even perfect people make mistakes sometimes (wait I thought I was talking to my wife there for minute)....anyway. Some generous citizens stopped to help me out. A state patrol officer came by, saw that we had things under control and went on his way. About ten minutes later a state patrol seargant drove up and started getting incredibly aggressive. Pretty much interogation on the side of the road. He was fishing so hard for a reason to give me a citation that I almost laughed at him. Instead I simply kept repeating that my car slid off the road. Man was he pissed...made me sit in the squad car demanded my license but eventually let me go. At one point he actually said...well I have driven 400 miles today and you don't see me in the ditch...to which I said...you must be a better driver than me (at this point I am pretty sure I saw actual steam come out of his ears because he couldn't bait me). He even said that he hadn't seen any other cars in the ditch (I told him I had counted 30). maybe I pissed on his grandmothers grave in my youth and don't rmember it...he absolutely was out to cite me for something. I finally said to him...this is a one car incident where there aren't any injuries and no damage to the vehicle. He left after making me call a tow truck company through him.
 
Pav
2008-03-18 11:06:50 AM  
I don't care if cops are people too.

I hate to sound like a comic book here, but cops have more power than the average person and with more power comes more responsibility.

If your a cop and your having a bad day you don't have any right to take that out on someone while your doing your job. This holds true especially with cops who are treading the line of violating people rights on a daily basis. If they do have a bad day and slip up they should expect harsh punishment.

With greater power comes the more likely event that someone will misuse that power. Therefore cops need to be MORE accountable than the average citizen.

I am all for people video taping their lives if they choose to.

In a world where a police officers word is better than yours you need all the proof you can get.
 
2008-03-18 11:06:54 AM  
fatal_exception: I'd like to know the whole story behind anyone who says they get pulled over on a regular basis by cops.
In which US cities?

Some cities are almost sane, but in many departments, the attitude of all cops is "you are either a cop (or family of a cop), or you are a criminal". Civilians are no more than criminals who haven't been caught (yet).

The worst towns take it a step further -- cops are little more than the biggest gang on the street.
 
2008-03-18 11:06:59 AM  
Get them before they get you.

If cameras are supposed to keep citizens in line, sure - turn the tables on them and hold them accountable.

I love that the police dash-cam video has gone missing, WHOOOPS!
That is an excuse that a five year old would give.

I hope this haunts the cop for life.

I hope he hears "Hey, there's the 'Cop Gone Wild!'" when he walks down the street everyday.
 
2008-03-18 11:07:38 AM  
the cop in this incident threatened to jail the kid on BS charges. who knows how many innocent people he threw in jail before finally getting what was coming to him? Regardless of how one views cops in general, this guy was a bad dude.
 
FZ6
2008-03-18 11:07:48 AM  
Cerebral Ballsy: Wow, buncha cop fellators at thread top. Hope you guys are firends with everyone on the force, since you seem to be cool witht hem "inventing reasons to arrest" people.

Nice attempt, but you only get a 7/10.

These people aren't "fellating" the cops. Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid. As was said multiple times in this thread - the few times I have been pulled over was because I was doing something wrong (speeding). Other than that, I've been stopped at 3 checkpoints. I drove two different sports cars - one with a removable roof (Supra) and the other that had VERY dark tint (3000 GT) and NEVER got pulled over "just because". For people like you who think that cops are just a bunch of jackasses, maybe you could just try not breaking the law.

Coming from New Orleans, I used to hear people all the time scream about - "That's crap! I got pulled over AGAIN because of tail-light covers. Don't cops have anything better to do than harass me?!" Well, stupid, you KNOW it's illegal, yet continue to do it anyway. And that's their job - to stop people from doing illegal things.
 
2008-03-18 11:07:49 AM  
Dude seriously WTF: Go away, baitin.

Oh man, I've got some pictures from fishing trips that need modification, stat!
 
2008-03-18 11:08:22 AM  
Things like this are why I don't really have a problem with cameras in public places as long as the public have access to them and there is strict oversight in what the government can do with the information. That sort of pervasive surveillance is really only a problem if the citizens are excluded from the information. Sign me up for a transparent society (p)
 
2008-03-18 11:09:14 AM  
bline21: Geez. The cop got fired. He got a bad cop off the streets. Is that not enough of a reward? Now some dirtbag lawyer has approached and here with go with the "sue everyone you can for as much as you can" mentality that is rampant in America these days. How sad.

The cop got fired because someone actually videotaped how he behaved on the job. Why was someone who would so blatantly abuse their power was in the position in the first place? I'm sure it wasn't the first time that had happened.

I don't think that the kid deserves any money. I do think that the police department should have an obligation to strictly monitor their officers. A lawsuit would be one way to make the point that making sure cops are ethical in their administration of justice is a huge part of any police department's responsibility to the public, but it probably won't change anything only because cops are pretty much expected to be douchebags.

I've known good cops and I've know bad ones. The simple fact of the matter is that it would take 2-3 good police officers to make up for every bad officer. Cops have plenty of opportunities to dick people over and far fewer ones to actually help people. Police officers who work in dangerous cities are often some of the best, while suburban cops can be the absolute worst just because they have nothing to do but absue their power. But it goes both ways, there are exceptions to every rule, blah blah blah. One bad cop in the whole world is too many, their obligation to the public is too important to abuse.
 
2008-03-18 11:09:44 AM  
Bullshiat. He repeatedly charged the police, and wouldn't obey orders. If I charge at the police, and acted in the manner that King did, I would fully expect them to beat my ass.
 
2008-03-18 11:11:18 AM  
Just not the same without c... ahh... I'd better not say.
 
2008-03-18 11:12:06 AM  
As one whom is very familiar with police confrontations I say taser him, even after the fact. Rights are one thing but blatant disrespect for authority only leads to criminal behavior. As for the camera, street racers dont even run theirs when not in a race, this ahole tried to stage this cop. Realistically he got off easy.
 
2008-03-18 11:12:15 AM  
Look, I am as pro-cop as they come, but the cops in St. George (where I happen to live) are cocksucking assholes. They are glorified rent-a-cops with super-egos looking to harass and badger people. They literally pull people over and ticket them for doing 3 mph over the speed limit. St. George is known through all of St Louis and Jefferson county as having douchebags for police officers.
 
2008-03-18 11:12:20 AM  
fatal_exception: Dude seriously WTF:

Was he baiting them?

I hear he's a master baiter.


i see what you did there.... and i like it.
 
2008-03-18 11:12:21 AM  
justoneznot: In case you haven't seen it, here's the video (new window) of the encounter.

I can't get past the shiatty music in the beginning. Both kid and cop are douches.

I remember when I had to take a class for getting too many tickets. Everyone in the class got too many tickets because the cop was a jerk.

If this kid got pulled over that many times he's probably a known trouble maker.
 
Ant [TotalFark]
2008-03-18 11:12:24 AM  
Dogberry: Battle of the tools if you ask me.

How is the kid a tool?
 
2008-03-18 11:12:46 AM  
FZ6: Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid.

So the police can threaten him with false charges just because they don't like him? Get that cop dick out of your mouth.
 
2008-03-18 11:14:08 AM  
Bullshiatter: Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.

I can think of a few reasons why a normal person might have a camera or cameras installed in a car.

1) The LA cops are really bad pricks in his area, so he may get hassled a lot and have learned to be wary.

2) The technology has certainly gotten a lot cheaper over the past couple of years, to the point where it would be worthwhile in case of a collision.

3) As you sort of alluded to: Boning skanks in the car.

I have a buddy who is an avid cyclist and who was in a pretty bad accident a few months back. He nearly had to go to court over this and we were discussing how cheap and lightweight digital cameras are getting. The idea of having one or two mounted on his helmet with flash memory that could be wiped at the conclusion of any circuit was really appealing. I actually see this working in cars as an option in the near future; like four lenses on the roof pointing in all four directions and one or two inside with audio pickups all recording to some sort of DVR that can be set to wipe or store or xfer to other media.
 
2008-03-18 11:14:08 AM  
ChicagoKev: In which US cities?

My driving time in the US is minimal compared to here in Canada but I've covered a lot of road nonetheless. Coast-to-coast Canada and through much of Illinois, Nevada and the eastern coastal states.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not defending anyone here. it's just that my experience differs quite a bit from the experiences of others who claim to be equally innocent of wrongdoing. I'd just like to know if I've been lucky or if there's more to it.

danlpoon: Cops are divorced from reality.

This much is very true. In social circumstances they are weird, almost awkward people who I've learned to avoid in most cases (knew one who was okay).
 
2008-03-18 11:14:14 AM  
Yossarian22

she should get a ticket everytime a passenger says "quack quack"
 
2008-03-18 11:14:19 AM  
To all you people criticizing this kid, see the video, read the backstory. It's a small suburban force that does NOTHING but stake out an interstate offramp with the sole intention of writing dubious citations with the express intent of lining their coffers.

Abuses of power should be challenged. Go kid.
 
2008-03-18 11:15:05 AM  
Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: Besides that, I recently was run off the road by a trucker (not for the first time)

Is that you, Dennis Weaver?
 
2008-03-18 11:15:40 AM  
I remember that guy.

He's awesome.

Call it baiting if you want.
I call it recognizing something very wrong with the local law and taking steps to do something about it.

Rock on, dude.

/disrespect for authority?
//you're an idiot
 
2008-03-18 11:15:41 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: Bullshiatter: Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.

This - just how many tickets does this guy get a week, and has he put his shiatty way he treats cops together with the shiatty way they treat him yet?


Hey if you want to surrender your own rights then go ahead, but don't surrender mine as well. Cops work for us, not the other way around.
 
2008-03-18 11:16:55 AM  
This is the jackass who was driving around with another guy and radio's trying to find cops.

He claims he was waiting for a friend at 2am, and just happened to have a tape recorder going for the cop?
 
2008-03-18 11:16:58 AM  
Dude seriously WTF: I don't think there is an endangerment issue, and if there is, it is only because the cop in question is more focused on 'showing that punk who's the boss' and playing a bully.

Agreed. My friends who are staties, and detectives have told me that they will follow someone who is acting wrong--i.e. who slams their brakes when they see a cop. someone who constantly adjusts the mirror to see the cop, etc.
 
2008-03-18 11:17:54 AM  
Unshavenhelga: kronicfeld: Where are you reading that he did that?

I saw the video, and he's an asshole. The cop was an asshole too. I've talked myself out to two arrests, just by not being an asshole to the cops. This guy could be repectful, but he's not.

That said, he's got the right to be an asshole, and the cops can't use their badge to bully him, which the cop in question did.


While talking your way out of two arrests says you're a good communicator, being in a position to potentially be arrested twice means you're probably at least some sort of douchebag or asshole.
 
FZ6
2008-03-18 11:19:59 AM  
for good or for awesome: FZ6: Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid.

So the police can threaten him with false charges just because they don't like him? Get that cop dick out of your mouth.


I never said it was right to threaten him with false charges. If you read the rest of my post, you would see my point. My point is (again) that if you are respectful with officers, they will respect you. Are there some bad cops out there? Of course there are. Just like with anything. But you're only going to hear about the bad cops. Not the good versions of them that are helping to protect your sorry arse.

Get the cop dick out of my mouth? Nice. Try not acting like such a moron and you probably wouldn't hate them so much.
 
2008-03-18 11:20:04 AM  
lets all put camera's in our cars. be the media.
need to find some way to fight the police state. Camera's seem to do the trick.
 
2008-03-18 11:21:18 AM  
Kimet: This is the jackass who was driving around with another guy and radio's trying to find cops.

He claims he was waiting for a friend at 2am, and just happened to have a tape recorder going for the cop?


Then, oddly enough, he managed to find exactly what he was looking for, evidence of douchebaggery. The jackass may have been a jackass, but that isn't a crime.
 
2008-03-18 11:21:25 AM  
I hope this guy wins and wins BIG $$$$$ $$$$.
 
Ant [TotalFark]
2008-03-18 11:21:47 AM  
Unshavenhelga: If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger.

He is endangering others? What about the farking cops who're wasting their time trying to get him for something?
 
2008-03-18 11:21:59 AM  
FZ6: Cerebral Ballsy: Wow, buncha cop fellators at thread top. Hope you guys are firends with everyone on the force, since you seem to be cool witht hem "inventing reasons to arrest" people.

Nice attempt, but you only get a 7/10.

These people aren't "fellating" the cops. Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid. As was said multiple times in this thread - the few times I have been pulled over was because I was doing something wrong (speeding). Other than that, I've been stopped at 3 checkpoints. I drove two different sports cars - one with a removable roof (Supra) and the other that had VERY dark tint (3000 GT) and NEVER got pulled over "just because". For people like you who think that cops are just a bunch of jackasses, maybe you could just try not breaking the law.

Coming from New Orleans, I used to hear people all the time scream about - "That's crap! I got pulled over AGAIN because of tail-light covers. Don't cops have anything better to do than harass me?!" Well, stupid, you KNOW it's illegal, yet continue to do it anyway. And that's their job - to stop people from doing illegal things.


So you have no problem with a police officer threatening to manufacture false charges against a citizen, as long as you can define that citizen, to your own satisfaction, as a "prick"?
ooooookay.......
 
2008-03-18 11:23:02 AM  
Sounds like the kind of shennannigans that the Peoples' Republic of Webster pulls down here in Texas. There's a 2 mile stretch of Nasa Road 1 down here that has an average of 6 cops on it constantly, trolling for violations, or supposed ones. Then, they get all "tactical" on you when you're pulled over.

They tried planting some rolling papers on my daughter a few years ago, cost her a night in jail, tow fees, etc. They hoped that she'd pay the fine instead of contesting the charges. Thing is, rolling papers are legal in TX as long as no dope is present. We have a lawyer who's a family friend that had fun humiliating the 24 year old cop on the stand in Court before they dismissed the charges. It still cost me 200 for tow fees, etc and I didnt get her bail $ back for 4 months.

Oh, forgot to mention that this cop had asked my daughter out during a traffic stop 6 weeks before and she had dared to turn him down.

And people wonder why cops tend to get hated.

/Webster is south of Houston, near the Johnson Space Center
 
2008-03-18 11:23:03 AM  
EvelFarknievel: /Loves cops.
//Hates dirty ones


THIS!
 
2008-03-18 11:23:39 AM  
So I see Fark has jumped the shark, since it would appear that the cops and conservatives have taken over.
 
2008-03-18 11:24:10 AM  
logruszed: being in a position to potentially be arrested twice means you're probably at least some sort of douchebag or asshole.

Nice. I was a problem in college. Both time were for illegal trespass--one in a graveyard, the other in a railyard. Both were related to fraternity crap. I freely admit that I should have been in neither place.

Such is life, you little troll.
 
2008-03-18 11:24:16 AM  
Observatory: I hope this guy wins and wins BIG $$$$$ $$$$.

What good would that do?
 
2008-03-18 11:24:43 AM  
SUUUUUUUUWEEEEEEEE PIGGY

I hope he gets paid and all of those fat crooked farks get the axe.
 
2008-03-18 11:25:01 AM  
Not one mention of tazers, guns, firearms, or being shot in a thread about police.

/color me surprised
 
2008-03-18 11:25:56 AM  
"Although Kuehnlein also claimed to be taping the encounter with his dash-mounted video camera, the tape has since been lost or destroyed."

How convenient
 
2008-03-18 11:27:25 AM  
Cops are worthless. I work with them everyday. Most people know to avoid them like poison. Which isn't a problem because the last thing a cop wants is a civilian friend. Civilians are civil. The Police police. There isn't much room for intermingling.

What confuses me is what kind of low-grade female chooses a cop to be Dad to her kids? Why would a woman choose a mate who (if we;re lucky) probably won't be around to raise the kids?

And if the kids have the misfortune of actually being raised by Cop-Dad they'll be such a basket case of conflicting neuroses that they invariably become criminals. Way to choose a man, there, Robin Givens.
 
2008-03-18 11:27:26 AM  
due to recent run in's myself...I am also contemplating adding some video/audio capture device in my GTI....with it being bright yellow, I seem to get pulled over, for absurd reasons...and question at length about where I'm going, what I'm doing etc....never gettting any ticket/violation?!?!?! yet I drive my black wagon, and NEVER get pulled over, let alone looked at twice.....

I have always been pro-police, but I am starting to waiver in my positive views of the local police due to these constant badgerings....and fighting them in person is just asking for trouble.
 
2008-03-18 11:27:58 AM  
SpacePunk: Bullshiat. He repeatedly charged the police, and wouldn't obey orders. If I charge at the police, and acted in the manner that King did, I would fully expect them to beat my ass.

I want whatever you're smoking
 
2008-03-18 11:29:54 AM  
Kimet: This is the jackass who was driving around with another guy and radio's trying to find cops.

He claims he was waiting for a friend at 2am, and just happened to have a tape recorder going for the cop?


Who the fark cares? The cop threatended violence, threatended to fabricate charges, and destroyed his dashdcam tape because the kid stated his rights. Must be the kids fault. You're really a prick.

Not only that, but after the kid (rightfully) recorded the encounter, because the police department is obviously inept, the cops began harassing him at home. They were staking out his house during the day waiting for him to leave. The police department there is corrupt.
 
FZ6
2008-03-18 11:30:44 AM  
jso2897: FZ6: Cerebral Ballsy: Wow, buncha cop fellators at thread top. Hope you guys are firends with everyone on the force, since you seem to be cool witht hem "inventing reasons to arrest" people.

Nice attempt, but you only get a 7/10.

These people aren't "fellating" the cops. Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid. As was said multiple times in this thread - the few times I have been pulled over was because I was doing something wrong (speeding). Other than that, I've been stopped at 3 checkpoints. I drove two different sports cars - one with a removable roof (Supra) and the other that had VERY dark tint (3000 GT) and NEVER got pulled over "just because". For people like you who think that cops are just a bunch of jackasses, maybe you could just try not breaking the law.

Coming from New Orleans, I used to hear people all the time scream about - "That's crap! I got pulled over AGAIN because of tail-light covers. Don't cops have anything better to do than harass me?!" Well, stupid, you KNOW it's illegal, yet continue to do it anyway. And that's their job - to stop people from doing illegal things.

So you have no problem with a police officer threatening to manufacture false charges against a citizen, as long as you can define that citizen, to your own satisfaction, as a "prick"?
ooooookay.......


Again, because apparently people aren't reading what I'm typing, not one time in my post do I say that it's okay for a cop to fabricate charges. You have absolutely NO idea how much it burns me when I hear about "bad cops" doing "bad things". My point was that if you aren't out looking for trouble, it probably won't find out. Just like someone else here made the comment that usually people with a camera can find what they're looking for.

The moral of my story was that people in this thread aren't getting mad at -that- cop for "fabricating charges". Too many were making general comments basically about cops being pricks and doing whatever they want. That part is not true as a whole.
 
2008-03-18 11:31:33 AM  
Unshavenhelga: Dude seriously WTF: Was he baiting them?

If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger.


The cops are the real danger. The officer in question was threatening to fabricate criminal charges and to assault the kid. And he claimed he'd do it all with the support of his station. Sounds dangerous to me. This kid helped get a criminal with a badge and a gun off the street.
 
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