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(STLToday)   Man who taped infamous police encounter files federal civil rights violation case says he wasn't baiting police with the camera in his car, but that the police are thankful he had one because they still can't find their dashcam video   ( stltoday.com) divider line
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2008-03-18 09:40:11 AM  
Battle of the tools if you ask me.
 
2008-03-18 10:02:54 AM  
Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.
 
2008-03-18 10:06:12 AM  
Bullshiatter: Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.

This - just how many tickets does this guy get a week, and has he put his shiatty way he treats cops together with the shiatty way they treat him yet?
 
2008-03-18 10:09:40 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: Bullshiatter: Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.

This - just how many tickets does this guy get a week, and has he put his shiatty way he treats cops together with the shiatty way they treat him yet?


Haven't seen the video and don't know the story, but I've thought about installing a camera in my car several times. I never get pulled over driving my 05 Camry, but in the month I've owned my 2000 Grand Am, I've been pulled over three times. I never did anything illegal. Besides that, I recently was run off the road by a trucker (not for the first time) and the damaged fender and all the median crap stuck to the bottom of my car wasn't evidence enough for the cops to do anything about it.

Cameras are good for everyone. If you're being an ass, it proves it. If the cop is, it proves that too.
 
2008-03-18 10:10:42 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: shiatty way he treats cops together with the shiatty way they treat him yet

Demanding to know why he was stopped and asserting his Constitutional rights has something to do with being physically battered and threatened with fabricated charges? Spelling America with a "k," now, are we?
 
2008-03-18 10:16:19 AM  
kronicfeld: Spelling America with a "k," now, are we?

LOL - I knew as soon as I wrote that, someone would read it wrong.

Word travels FAST around a police station, and after the first or second encounter with this guy, I'm sure they were pulling him over if there was a little dirt covering his inspection sticker. I'm not saying it's right, but let's face it - treating a cop like less than a person to his face doesn't make you any friends.
 
2008-03-18 10:27:12 AM  
Paybacks are a mofo.
 
2008-03-18 10:28:04 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: I'm not saying it's right, but let's face it - treating a cop like less than a person to his face doesn't make you any friends.

Where are you reading that he did that?
 
2008-03-18 10:30:04 AM  
Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: in the month I've owned my 2000 Grand Am, I've been pulled over three times

Driving a penismobile gets you pulled over more often. One of my former housemates had a nice sportscar, and was frequently pulled for anything over 9 MPH over the limit on the highways. I usually don't get tagged until I edge the border of reckless, but drive a boring green Honda.

/edge which way? um....
 
2008-03-18 10:32:33 AM  
kronicfeld: Where are you reading that he did that?

I saw the video, and he's an asshole. The cop was an asshole too. I've talked myself out to two arrests, just by not being an asshole to the cops. This guy could be repectful, but he's not.

That said, he's got the right to be an asshole, and the cops can't use their badge to bully him, which the cop in question did.
 
2008-03-18 10:34:38 AM  
kronicfeld: Where are you reading that he did that?

How do you figure that an article linked by Fark suddenly has all the details laid out? Are you telling me this average white guy from near St. Louis got a world of shiat from a cop for no reason?
 
2008-03-18 10:36:55 AM  
ThatGuyGreg:
Word travels FAST around a police station, and after the first or second encounter with this guy, I'm sure they were pulling him over if there was a little dirt covering his inspection sticker. I'm not saying it's right, but let's face it - treating a cop like less than a person to his face doesn't make you any friends.


He posted a follow up vid on youtube showing exactly that. After the initial publicity, cruisers continually partrolled his house. When he approached them in his car, they drove off and made several random turns to try and throw him off like they weren't doing anything.

Was he baiting them? Meh, could have been. But there is no law against it. And if you know that a particular cop is a prick, why not videotape the encounter to show him boss and the courts what they are dealing with? Not every cop is a pig, but not every cop is a saint. If it helps cull the bad ones, I support it.

Personally, I've never had a bad experience with a cop and those who stopped me did so because I was doing something wrong. But there are some out there who are poorly trained and use the position to satitiate their egos- those need to go.
 
2008-03-18 10:38:53 AM  
Dude seriously WTF: Was he baiting them?

If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger.
 
2008-03-18 10:42:53 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: kronicfeld: Where are you reading that he did that?

How do you figure that an article linked by Fark suddenly has all the details laid out? Are you telling me this average white guy from near St. Louis got a world of shiat from a cop for no reason?


The article may not have all the detail, but the video linked has it all.

And yes, that average white kid from St. Louis got a world of shiat from a cop for no reason other than the guy asked a few questions and quoted his rights since the cop just started questioning him for no reason whatsoever.

So maybe he's guilty of a 317, but that's about it.
 
2008-03-18 10:45:06 AM  
In my experience, people with cameras usually find what they're looking for.
 
2008-03-18 10:45:58 AM  
Dude seriously WTF: Personally, I've never had a bad experience with a cop and those who stopped me did so because I was doing something wrong. But there are some out there who are poorly trained and use the position to satitiate their egos- those need to go.

"To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem."
 
2008-03-18 10:47:37 AM  
2wolves:

Paybacks are a mofo.

MO. popo foe.
 
2008-03-18 10:47:37 AM  
Wow, buncha cop fellators at thread top. Hope you guys are firends with everyone on the force, since you seem to be cool witht hem "inventing reasons to arrest" people.
 
2008-03-18 10:48:34 AM  
Unshavenhelga: Dude seriously WTF: Was he baiting them?

If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger.


I don't think there is an endangerment issue, and if there is, it is only because the cop in question is more focused on 'showing that punk who's the boss' and playing a bully. If a serious call was neglected because of it? Solely on the shoulders of the LEO. He knows to break off routine traffic stops to answer priotity calls. To do otherwise only makes his position worse.

Remember, it is not two kids arguing over a toy when both sides carry an equal burden to behave. It is the issue of a LEO acting in a proffessional manner while on duty. Break the law? Issue citation. Goofball trying to be a dumbass? Ignore it or write the summons. The cops' job is not to teach lessons, provide his views, or 'straighten the kid out'. The court decides the merits of the case and determines how to punish if warranted.
 
2008-03-18 10:49:25 AM  
/snicker
 
2008-03-18 10:49:33 AM  
TTUWV

Is this the one where the guy parks in a 'trouble area with lots of suicides' at night and is hassled by a cop for being there? The guy definitely didnt suck up to the cop and instead talked to him like he was some random asshole bothering him (which he was really).
 
2008-03-18 10:50:10 AM  
question: where do you find a camera designed for in-car installation and how much do they cost?
 
2008-03-18 10:50:19 AM  
If I remember correctly from the original story, didn't the cop in question get fired because he didn't have the cruiser cam on, rather than treating this kid like crap?
 
2008-03-18 10:50:28 AM  
onecanshort:

Yup. Pretty much.
 
2008-03-18 10:52:02 AM  
SlothB77: question: where do you find a camera designed for in-car installation and how much do they cost?

This guy used the payoff from another suit to pay for it, I think
 
2008-03-18 10:52:15 AM  
kronicfeld: Spelling America with a "k," now, are we?

SPOON

/The Tick rules
//never seen the video, cant find it on youtube.
///Who cares, really? We're all gonna sit here and argue about who's right and wrong. Let the court decide, cause thats all that counts in the end of it.
 
2008-03-18 10:52:27 AM  
I'd like to know the whole story behind anyone who says they get pulled over on a regular basis by cops.

I've got 25 years of driving under my belt and I've driven a myriad of supposed "cop magnets" over that time; modified cars to factory original sports cars. I've never been randomly stopped by cops and that's saying a lot. There was a time in my late teens and early twenties when I'd have stopped me.
 
2008-03-18 10:52:46 AM  
Go watch the video. The police in that particular town outside St. Louis were notorious for outrageous behavior, and the guy sounded the alarm.

Once you see what this cop did, you'll be happy this American citizen stood up and challenged his local authority figures. Someone had to.
 
2008-03-18 10:53:20 AM  
yeah yeah yeah

Cop haters are so predictable

Rodney King was 16 years ago. In one city. Involving a hoodlum and few cops who tried to take the protection of the community beyond what is legal.

The next time you're in a hostage situation, I'll bet you are pissing your pants with happiness when the cops risk their lives to save your worthless ass
 
2008-03-18 10:53:40 AM  
The part in the video where the cop threatens to impound the kids car and have his coworkers 'lose the evidence' is particularly insidious.

I'm surprised none of the article mentioned the 2nd video recorded encounter of the police circling his house & then pulling him over as soon as he gets on the road.
 
2008-03-18 10:53:45 AM  
the4thworld: If I remember correctly from the original story, didn't the cop in question get fired because he didn't have the cruiser cam on, rather than treating this kid like crap?

Here's how the real world works. That cop got fired for bringing unwanted attention from the public to the force. What he got fired for on paper, well, that would be written down as something different.

I seriously doubt it was considered for that cop to be fired for anything he said.. no, I think he was fired because of media scrutiny for waht he said.

I had a cop be rude to me for no reason one time. I made a complaint with his station, and I'm sure he's still employed. Had I had a camera, and put it on YouTube, the situation might be different.
 
2008-03-18 10:54:44 AM  
In case you haven't seen it, here's the video (new window) of the encounter.
 
2008-03-18 10:54:57 AM  
Dude seriously WTF:

Was he baiting them?

I hear he's a master baiter.
 
2008-03-18 10:55:28 AM  
What, no HERO tag? This guy rules.

/Loves cops.
//Hates dirty ones
 
2008-03-18 10:56:23 AM  
Geez. The cop got fired. He got a bad cop off the streets. Is that not enough of a reward? Now some dirtbag lawyer has approached and here with go with the "sue everyone you can for as much as you can" mentality that is rampant in America these days. How sad.
 
2008-03-18 10:58:05 AM  
bline21: Geez. The cop got fired. He got a bad cop off the streets. Is that not enough of a reward? Now some dirtbag lawyer has approached and here with go with the "sue everyone you can for as much as you can" mentality that is rampant in America these days. How sad.

He's being harassed by the police force in his town for "getting the cop fired".. there have been other articles for this followup.
 
2008-03-18 10:58:06 AM  
And I'm a "cop magnet".

I've got 15 years of driving under my belt, and there was a point for about 6 years, where I got pulled over at least once a month or more. I drove boring sedans, SLOWLY, and never had a single citation (out of 30+ people) given to me once that stuck. That's right, I took the cops to basic traffic court and each time the judge threw out the bullshiat speeding, lane change, etc. tickets.

Why?

Because I subpoenaed the dash-mount cams, each time.

/I'm not a hot rodder.
//I'm not a punk kid with a "look" that says trouble.
 
2008-03-18 10:58:21 AM  
So this is where all the cops hang out? You all must be cops to have that much faith in them.

I have seen good and bad cops. Unfortunately it seems the bad outweigh the good.

The system keeps itself in a job by keeping people in jail/court. Know your rights, it could save you from an overzealous cop railroading you someday.
 
2008-03-18 10:58:27 AM  
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h to the 'ojo 2008-03-18 10:53:20 AM
yeah yeah yeah

Cop haters are so predictable

Rodney King was 16 years ago. In one city. Involving a hoodlum and few cops who tried to take the protection of the community beyond what is legal.
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If you saw the footage of the whole thing beyond the 3 second loop the media played, you'd have beat his ass also if you were there.
 
2008-03-18 10:59:57 AM  
Cerebral Ballsy: He's being harassed by the police force in his town for "getting the cop fired".. there have been other articles for this followup.

For some reason I read that as "police farce".....
 
2008-03-18 11:00:24 AM  
It's not cop hating.

It's individuals who break the law while wearing a badge hating.

/cops are cool.
//not all people are cool.
///thus, not every cop can be cool.
 
2008-03-18 11:00:27 AM  
When I was young, I WISH I could have installed a video camera in my car. I used to get pulled over a minimum of 5 times a week. At all times of day. Then I would have my car searched.

All of this was because my brother was fairly well known as a bad dude. So, they messed with me constantly.

So, I know where this dude is coming from. After a while it really does become clear that your rights are being violated.

So, I support him in his fight. Although, he shouldn't be such a pussy that he needs the ACLU to stand up for him. He should just do it on his own, if he's that serious.
 
2008-03-18 11:00:37 AM  
h to the 'ojo

Yeah, sure, I'll remember that the next time I'm held hostage.

/IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP HOLDING ME HOSTAGE!
 
2008-03-18 11:01:07 AM  
From what I heard, he was baiting them. Reason being, that people in his shiatty town get pulled over after 3 am for simply driving, with chronic abuse by the police.
 
2008-03-18 11:01:26 AM  
SpacePunk: -------------------
h to the 'ojo 2008-03-18 10:53:20 AM
yeah yeah yeah

Cop haters are so predictable

Rodney King was 16 years ago. In one city. Involving a hoodlum and few cops who tried to take the protection of the community beyond what is legal.
------------------

If you saw the footage of the whole thing beyond the 3 second loop the media played, you'd have beat his ass also if you were there.


Rodney King was a crack addict with a history of being arrested and let go.. cops would bust for burglary and then they'd see him out and about a week later. That's why they beat him, because he was a crack addicted f*ckup, and they were jarnecked assholes "teaching him a lesson".

We've got to expect more from our police.
 
2008-03-18 11:02:12 AM  
The part in the video where the cop threatens to impound the kids car and have his coworkers 'lose the evidence' is particularly insidious.

Yeh, I could really care less if the kid is an ahole or a fine person. The cop clearly stated he would make up charges to teach him a lesson, "lose evidence" and make his life hell.
 
2008-03-18 11:02:24 AM  
i216.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-18 11:02:27 AM  
fatal_exception: Dude seriously WTF:

Was he baiting them?

I hear he's a master baiter.


winnar!
 
2008-03-18 11:02:46 AM  
lol, that video is lol.

calls him young boy, thats lolarious.

My experience compared to your young ass!
Come on boy, give me some more lip!
Shawn who!? YOU MEAN MY BEST FRIEND?!?!?!?!?!

what a joke.
This dude's a joke.
 
2008-03-18 11:02:51 AM  
fatal_exception: Dude seriously WTF:

Was he baiting them?

I hear he's a master baiter.


Go away, baitin.
 
2008-03-18 11:04:12 AM  
SlothB77: question: where do you find a camera designed for in-car installation and how much do they cost?

A good DVR (720p record) + a wide-angle bullet camera (mounted by the dome light, facing forward to capture the road, rear view mirror, spedometer, and as much of the cabin as possible) will run you 700 and up.

Hide the DVR in the car and run a remote switch, or get a dvr with a decent battery and let it run 24/7 with a couple day backlog of footage. Most DVRs I've looked at have dual audio inputs, so put one microphone by the driver's seat and one on the exterior front of the car. In theory, anything that happens behind your car would be on the officer's dashcam.

/had two traffic stops and have never had a problem with the officer.
//have a script and follow it.
 
2008-03-18 11:04:14 AM  
spacepunk


If you saw the footage of the whole thing beyond the 3 second loop the media played, you'd have beat his ass also if you were there.


ever seen american history X?
 
2008-03-18 11:05:16 AM  
Cops are divorced from reality. They live in a vaccuum. They send their kids to the Cop Daycare and their wives and kids only socialize with other cop families. Cops are only friends with other cops. They only attend cop events. The Fraternal Order of Police Myopia.

From this self-inflicted isolation Cops are less human that we are. They experience fewer of the real-life scenarios that create wisdom and foresight.

Real citizens purposely avoid cops and cop families because real citizens realize a person can't be a 'cop" and be a normal human. The two are exclusive of one another.
 
2008-03-18 11:06:28 AM  
My car slid off the road this winter. Hard to believe I know but even perfect people make mistakes sometimes (wait I thought I was talking to my wife there for minute)....anyway. Some generous citizens stopped to help me out. A state patrol officer came by, saw that we had things under control and went on his way. About ten minutes later a state patrol seargant drove up and started getting incredibly aggressive. Pretty much interogation on the side of the road. He was fishing so hard for a reason to give me a citation that I almost laughed at him. Instead I simply kept repeating that my car slid off the road. Man was he pissed...made me sit in the squad car demanded my license but eventually let me go. At one point he actually said...well I have driven 400 miles today and you don't see me in the ditch...to which I said...you must be a better driver than me (at this point I am pretty sure I saw actual steam come out of his ears because he couldn't bait me). He even said that he hadn't seen any other cars in the ditch (I told him I had counted 30). maybe I pissed on his grandmothers grave in my youth and don't rmember it...he absolutely was out to cite me for something. I finally said to him...this is a one car incident where there aren't any injuries and no damage to the vehicle. He left after making me call a tow truck company through him.
 
Pav
2008-03-18 11:06:50 AM  
I don't care if cops are people too.

I hate to sound like a comic book here, but cops have more power than the average person and with more power comes more responsibility.

If your a cop and your having a bad day you don't have any right to take that out on someone while your doing your job. This holds true especially with cops who are treading the line of violating people rights on a daily basis. If they do have a bad day and slip up they should expect harsh punishment.

With greater power comes the more likely event that someone will misuse that power. Therefore cops need to be MORE accountable than the average citizen.

I am all for people video taping their lives if they choose to.

In a world where a police officers word is better than yours you need all the proof you can get.
 
2008-03-18 11:06:54 AM  
fatal_exception: I'd like to know the whole story behind anyone who says they get pulled over on a regular basis by cops.
In which US cities?

Some cities are almost sane, but in many departments, the attitude of all cops is "you are either a cop (or family of a cop), or you are a criminal". Civilians are no more than criminals who haven't been caught (yet).

The worst towns take it a step further -- cops are little more than the biggest gang on the street.
 
2008-03-18 11:06:59 AM  
Get them before they get you.

If cameras are supposed to keep citizens in line, sure - turn the tables on them and hold them accountable.

I love that the police dash-cam video has gone missing, WHOOOPS!
That is an excuse that a five year old would give.

I hope this haunts the cop for life.

I hope he hears "Hey, there's the 'Cop Gone Wild!'" when he walks down the street everyday.
 
2008-03-18 11:07:38 AM  
the cop in this incident threatened to jail the kid on BS charges. who knows how many innocent people he threw in jail before finally getting what was coming to him? Regardless of how one views cops in general, this guy was a bad dude.
 
FZ6
2008-03-18 11:07:48 AM  
Cerebral Ballsy: Wow, buncha cop fellators at thread top. Hope you guys are firends with everyone on the force, since you seem to be cool witht hem "inventing reasons to arrest" people.

Nice attempt, but you only get a 7/10.

These people aren't "fellating" the cops. Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid. As was said multiple times in this thread - the few times I have been pulled over was because I was doing something wrong (speeding). Other than that, I've been stopped at 3 checkpoints. I drove two different sports cars - one with a removable roof (Supra) and the other that had VERY dark tint (3000 GT) and NEVER got pulled over "just because". For people like you who think that cops are just a bunch of jackasses, maybe you could just try not breaking the law.

Coming from New Orleans, I used to hear people all the time scream about - "That's crap! I got pulled over AGAIN because of tail-light covers. Don't cops have anything better to do than harass me?!" Well, stupid, you KNOW it's illegal, yet continue to do it anyway. And that's their job - to stop people from doing illegal things.
 
2008-03-18 11:07:49 AM  
Dude seriously WTF: Go away, baitin.

Oh man, I've got some pictures from fishing trips that need modification, stat!
 
2008-03-18 11:08:22 AM  
Things like this are why I don't really have a problem with cameras in public places as long as the public have access to them and there is strict oversight in what the government can do with the information. That sort of pervasive surveillance is really only a problem if the citizens are excluded from the information. Sign me up for a transparent society (p)
 
2008-03-18 11:09:14 AM  
bline21: Geez. The cop got fired. He got a bad cop off the streets. Is that not enough of a reward? Now some dirtbag lawyer has approached and here with go with the "sue everyone you can for as much as you can" mentality that is rampant in America these days. How sad.

The cop got fired because someone actually videotaped how he behaved on the job. Why was someone who would so blatantly abuse their power was in the position in the first place? I'm sure it wasn't the first time that had happened.

I don't think that the kid deserves any money. I do think that the police department should have an obligation to strictly monitor their officers. A lawsuit would be one way to make the point that making sure cops are ethical in their administration of justice is a huge part of any police department's responsibility to the public, but it probably won't change anything only because cops are pretty much expected to be douchebags.

I've known good cops and I've know bad ones. The simple fact of the matter is that it would take 2-3 good police officers to make up for every bad officer. Cops have plenty of opportunities to dick people over and far fewer ones to actually help people. Police officers who work in dangerous cities are often some of the best, while suburban cops can be the absolute worst just because they have nothing to do but absue their power. But it goes both ways, there are exceptions to every rule, blah blah blah. One bad cop in the whole world is too many, their obligation to the public is too important to abuse.
 
2008-03-18 11:09:44 AM  
Bullshiat. He repeatedly charged the police, and wouldn't obey orders. If I charge at the police, and acted in the manner that King did, I would fully expect them to beat my ass.
 
2008-03-18 11:11:18 AM  
Just not the same without c... ahh... I'd better not say.
 
2008-03-18 11:12:06 AM  
As one whom is very familiar with police confrontations I say taser him, even after the fact. Rights are one thing but blatant disrespect for authority only leads to criminal behavior. As for the camera, street racers dont even run theirs when not in a race, this ahole tried to stage this cop. Realistically he got off easy.
 
2008-03-18 11:12:15 AM  
Look, I am as pro-cop as they come, but the cops in St. George (where I happen to live) are cocksucking assholes. They are glorified rent-a-cops with super-egos looking to harass and badger people. They literally pull people over and ticket them for doing 3 mph over the speed limit. St. George is known through all of St Louis and Jefferson county as having douchebags for police officers.
 
2008-03-18 11:12:20 AM  
fatal_exception: Dude seriously WTF:

Was he baiting them?

I hear he's a master baiter.


i see what you did there.... and i like it.
 
2008-03-18 11:12:21 AM  
justoneznot: In case you haven't seen it, here's the video (new window) of the encounter.

I can't get past the shiatty music in the beginning. Both kid and cop are douches.

I remember when I had to take a class for getting too many tickets. Everyone in the class got too many tickets because the cop was a jerk.

If this kid got pulled over that many times he's probably a known trouble maker.
 
Ant [TotalFark]
2008-03-18 11:12:24 AM  
Dogberry: Battle of the tools if you ask me.

How is the kid a tool?
 
2008-03-18 11:12:46 AM  
FZ6: Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid.

So the police can threaten him with false charges just because they don't like him? Get that cop dick out of your mouth.
 
2008-03-18 11:14:08 AM  
Bullshiatter: Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.

I can think of a few reasons why a normal person might have a camera or cameras installed in a car.

1) The LA cops are really bad pricks in his area, so he may get hassled a lot and have learned to be wary.

2) The technology has certainly gotten a lot cheaper over the past couple of years, to the point where it would be worthwhile in case of a collision.

3) As you sort of alluded to: Boning skanks in the car.

I have a buddy who is an avid cyclist and who was in a pretty bad accident a few months back. He nearly had to go to court over this and we were discussing how cheap and lightweight digital cameras are getting. The idea of having one or two mounted on his helmet with flash memory that could be wiped at the conclusion of any circuit was really appealing. I actually see this working in cars as an option in the near future; like four lenses on the roof pointing in all four directions and one or two inside with audio pickups all recording to some sort of DVR that can be set to wipe or store or xfer to other media.
 
2008-03-18 11:14:08 AM  
ChicagoKev: In which US cities?

My driving time in the US is minimal compared to here in Canada but I've covered a lot of road nonetheless. Coast-to-coast Canada and through much of Illinois, Nevada and the eastern coastal states.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not defending anyone here. it's just that my experience differs quite a bit from the experiences of others who claim to be equally innocent of wrongdoing. I'd just like to know if I've been lucky or if there's more to it.

danlpoon: Cops are divorced from reality.

This much is very true. In social circumstances they are weird, almost awkward people who I've learned to avoid in most cases (knew one who was okay).
 
2008-03-18 11:14:14 AM  
Yossarian22

she should get a ticket everytime a passenger says "quack quack"
 
2008-03-18 11:14:19 AM  
To all you people criticizing this kid, see the video, read the backstory. It's a small suburban force that does NOTHING but stake out an interstate offramp with the sole intention of writing dubious citations with the express intent of lining their coffers.

Abuses of power should be challenged. Go kid.
 
2008-03-18 11:15:05 AM  
Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: Besides that, I recently was run off the road by a trucker (not for the first time)

Is that you, Dennis Weaver?
 
2008-03-18 11:15:40 AM  
I remember that guy.

He's awesome.

Call it baiting if you want.
I call it recognizing something very wrong with the local law and taking steps to do something about it.

Rock on, dude.

/disrespect for authority?
//you're an idiot
 
2008-03-18 11:15:41 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: Bullshiatter: Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.

This - just how many tickets does this guy get a week, and has he put his shiatty way he treats cops together with the shiatty way they treat him yet?


Hey if you want to surrender your own rights then go ahead, but don't surrender mine as well. Cops work for us, not the other way around.
 
2008-03-18 11:16:55 AM  
This is the jackass who was driving around with another guy and radio's trying to find cops.

He claims he was waiting for a friend at 2am, and just happened to have a tape recorder going for the cop?
 
2008-03-18 11:16:58 AM  
Dude seriously WTF: I don't think there is an endangerment issue, and if there is, it is only because the cop in question is more focused on 'showing that punk who's the boss' and playing a bully.

Agreed. My friends who are staties, and detectives have told me that they will follow someone who is acting wrong--i.e. who slams their brakes when they see a cop. someone who constantly adjusts the mirror to see the cop, etc.
 
2008-03-18 11:17:54 AM  
Unshavenhelga: kronicfeld: Where are you reading that he did that?

I saw the video, and he's an asshole. The cop was an asshole too. I've talked myself out to two arrests, just by not being an asshole to the cops. This guy could be repectful, but he's not.

That said, he's got the right to be an asshole, and the cops can't use their badge to bully him, which the cop in question did.


While talking your way out of two arrests says you're a good communicator, being in a position to potentially be arrested twice means you're probably at least some sort of douchebag or asshole.
 
FZ6
2008-03-18 11:19:59 AM  
for good or for awesome: FZ6: Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid.

So the police can threaten him with false charges just because they don't like him? Get that cop dick out of your mouth.


I never said it was right to threaten him with false charges. If you read the rest of my post, you would see my point. My point is (again) that if you are respectful with officers, they will respect you. Are there some bad cops out there? Of course there are. Just like with anything. But you're only going to hear about the bad cops. Not the good versions of them that are helping to protect your sorry arse.

Get the cop dick out of my mouth? Nice. Try not acting like such a moron and you probably wouldn't hate them so much.
 
2008-03-18 11:20:04 AM  
lets all put camera's in our cars. be the media.
need to find some way to fight the police state. Camera's seem to do the trick.
 
2008-03-18 11:21:18 AM  
Kimet: This is the jackass who was driving around with another guy and radio's trying to find cops.

He claims he was waiting for a friend at 2am, and just happened to have a tape recorder going for the cop?


Then, oddly enough, he managed to find exactly what he was looking for, evidence of douchebaggery. The jackass may have been a jackass, but that isn't a crime.
 
2008-03-18 11:21:25 AM  
I hope this guy wins and wins BIG $$$$$ $$$$.
 
Ant [TotalFark]
2008-03-18 11:21:47 AM  
Unshavenhelga: If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger.

He is endangering others? What about the farking cops who're wasting their time trying to get him for something?
 
2008-03-18 11:21:59 AM  
FZ6: Cerebral Ballsy: Wow, buncha cop fellators at thread top. Hope you guys are firends with everyone on the force, since you seem to be cool witht hem "inventing reasons to arrest" people.

Nice attempt, but you only get a 7/10.

These people aren't "fellating" the cops. Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid. As was said multiple times in this thread - the few times I have been pulled over was because I was doing something wrong (speeding). Other than that, I've been stopped at 3 checkpoints. I drove two different sports cars - one with a removable roof (Supra) and the other that had VERY dark tint (3000 GT) and NEVER got pulled over "just because". For people like you who think that cops are just a bunch of jackasses, maybe you could just try not breaking the law.

Coming from New Orleans, I used to hear people all the time scream about - "That's crap! I got pulled over AGAIN because of tail-light covers. Don't cops have anything better to do than harass me?!" Well, stupid, you KNOW it's illegal, yet continue to do it anyway. And that's their job - to stop people from doing illegal things.


So you have no problem with a police officer threatening to manufacture false charges against a citizen, as long as you can define that citizen, to your own satisfaction, as a "prick"?
ooooookay.......
 
2008-03-18 11:23:02 AM  
Sounds like the kind of shennannigans that the Peoples' Republic of Webster pulls down here in Texas. There's a 2 mile stretch of Nasa Road 1 down here that has an average of 6 cops on it constantly, trolling for violations, or supposed ones. Then, they get all "tactical" on you when you're pulled over.

They tried planting some rolling papers on my daughter a few years ago, cost her a night in jail, tow fees, etc. They hoped that she'd pay the fine instead of contesting the charges. Thing is, rolling papers are legal in TX as long as no dope is present. We have a lawyer who's a family friend that had fun humiliating the 24 year old cop on the stand in Court before they dismissed the charges. It still cost me 200 for tow fees, etc and I didnt get her bail $ back for 4 months.

Oh, forgot to mention that this cop had asked my daughter out during a traffic stop 6 weeks before and she had dared to turn him down.

And people wonder why cops tend to get hated.

/Webster is south of Houston, near the Johnson Space Center
 
2008-03-18 11:23:03 AM  
EvelFarknievel: /Loves cops.
//Hates dirty ones


THIS!
 
2008-03-18 11:23:39 AM  
So I see Fark has jumped the shark, since it would appear that the cops and conservatives have taken over.
 
2008-03-18 11:24:10 AM  
logruszed: being in a position to potentially be arrested twice means you're probably at least some sort of douchebag or asshole.

Nice. I was a problem in college. Both time were for illegal trespass--one in a graveyard, the other in a railyard. Both were related to fraternity crap. I freely admit that I should have been in neither place.

Such is life, you little troll.
 
2008-03-18 11:24:16 AM  
Observatory: I hope this guy wins and wins BIG $$$$$ $$$$.

What good would that do?
 
2008-03-18 11:24:43 AM  
SUUUUUUUUWEEEEEEEE PIGGY

I hope he gets paid and all of those fat crooked farks get the axe.
 
2008-03-18 11:25:01 AM  
Not one mention of tazers, guns, firearms, or being shot in a thread about police.

/color me surprised
 
2008-03-18 11:25:56 AM  
"Although Kuehnlein also claimed to be taping the encounter with his dash-mounted video camera, the tape has since been lost or destroyed."

How convenient
 
2008-03-18 11:27:25 AM  
Cops are worthless. I work with them everyday. Most people know to avoid them like poison. Which isn't a problem because the last thing a cop wants is a civilian friend. Civilians are civil. The Police police. There isn't much room for intermingling.

What confuses me is what kind of low-grade female chooses a cop to be Dad to her kids? Why would a woman choose a mate who (if we;re lucky) probably won't be around to raise the kids?

And if the kids have the misfortune of actually being raised by Cop-Dad they'll be such a basket case of conflicting neuroses that they invariably become criminals. Way to choose a man, there, Robin Givens.
 
2008-03-18 11:27:26 AM  
due to recent run in's myself...I am also contemplating adding some video/audio capture device in my GTI....with it being bright yellow, I seem to get pulled over, for absurd reasons...and question at length about where I'm going, what I'm doing etc....never gettting any ticket/violation?!?!?! yet I drive my black wagon, and NEVER get pulled over, let alone looked at twice.....

I have always been pro-police, but I am starting to waiver in my positive views of the local police due to these constant badgerings....and fighting them in person is just asking for trouble.
 
2008-03-18 11:27:58 AM  
SpacePunk: Bullshiat. He repeatedly charged the police, and wouldn't obey orders. If I charge at the police, and acted in the manner that King did, I would fully expect them to beat my ass.

I want whatever you're smoking
 
2008-03-18 11:29:54 AM  
Kimet: This is the jackass who was driving around with another guy and radio's trying to find cops.

He claims he was waiting for a friend at 2am, and just happened to have a tape recorder going for the cop?


Who the fark cares? The cop threatended violence, threatended to fabricate charges, and destroyed his dashdcam tape because the kid stated his rights. Must be the kids fault. You're really a prick.

Not only that, but after the kid (rightfully) recorded the encounter, because the police department is obviously inept, the cops began harassing him at home. They were staking out his house during the day waiting for him to leave. The police department there is corrupt.
 
FZ6
2008-03-18 11:30:44 AM  
jso2897: FZ6: Cerebral Ballsy: Wow, buncha cop fellators at thread top. Hope you guys are firends with everyone on the force, since you seem to be cool witht hem "inventing reasons to arrest" people.

Nice attempt, but you only get a 7/10.

These people aren't "fellating" the cops. Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid. As was said multiple times in this thread - the few times I have been pulled over was because I was doing something wrong (speeding). Other than that, I've been stopped at 3 checkpoints. I drove two different sports cars - one with a removable roof (Supra) and the other that had VERY dark tint (3000 GT) and NEVER got pulled over "just because". For people like you who think that cops are just a bunch of jackasses, maybe you could just try not breaking the law.

Coming from New Orleans, I used to hear people all the time scream about - "That's crap! I got pulled over AGAIN because of tail-light covers. Don't cops have anything better to do than harass me?!" Well, stupid, you KNOW it's illegal, yet continue to do it anyway. And that's their job - to stop people from doing illegal things.

So you have no problem with a police officer threatening to manufacture false charges against a citizen, as long as you can define that citizen, to your own satisfaction, as a "prick"?
ooooookay.......


Again, because apparently people aren't reading what I'm typing, not one time in my post do I say that it's okay for a cop to fabricate charges. You have absolutely NO idea how much it burns me when I hear about "bad cops" doing "bad things". My point was that if you aren't out looking for trouble, it probably won't find out. Just like someone else here made the comment that usually people with a camera can find what they're looking for.

The moral of my story was that people in this thread aren't getting mad at -that- cop for "fabricating charges". Too many were making general comments basically about cops being pricks and doing whatever they want. That part is not true as a whole.
 
2008-03-18 11:31:33 AM  
Unshavenhelga: Dude seriously WTF: Was he baiting them?

If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger.


The cops are the real danger. The officer in question was threatening to fabricate criminal charges and to assault the kid. And he claimed he'd do it all with the support of his station. Sounds dangerous to me. This kid helped get a criminal with a badge and a gun off the street.
 
Ant [TotalFark]
2008-03-18 11:31:43 AM  
FZ6: Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights.

Oh noes!!!111!!! Not that! Quoting his rights?!? He should be locked up like the terrorist that he is for that crime.
 
2008-03-18 11:31:56 AM  
As pointed out in the comments section of the video, the commuter lot is open 24/7. The cop on the video claimed that it closed at "dark". Even if the kid was less confrontational and complied with the officer, he would not be able to wait for his friend, because the cop would have made him leave, which infringes upon his rights to be in a public location.

The video tape would prove the cops' douchebaggery whether the kid completely sucked up, or if he acted as the way things unfolded. In all honesty, the kid treated the cop like the cop was a random asshole, instead of an "authority figure". It didn't sound to me like the kid was being overly obnoxious - he just wanted to know why he was being questioned/stopped.
 
2008-03-18 11:33:01 AM  
danlpoon: Cops are divorced from reality. They live in a vaccuum. They send their kids to the Cop Daycare and their wives and kids only socialize with other cop families. Cops are only friends with other cops. They only attend cop events. The Fraternal Order of Police Myopia.

From this self-inflicted isolation Cops are less human that we are. They experience fewer of the real-life scenarios that create wisdom and foresight.

Real citizens purposely avoid cops and cop families because real citizens realize a person can't be a 'cop" and be a normal human. The two are exclusive of one another.


Kinda like the scientologists?
 
2008-03-18 11:33:23 AM  
danlpoon: Cops are divorced from reality. They live in a vaccuum. They send their kids to the Cop Daycare and their wives and kids only socialize with other cop families. Cops are only friends with other cops. They only attend cop events. The Fraternal Order of Police Myopia.

From this self-inflicted isolation Cops are less human that we are. They experience fewer of the real-life scenarios that create wisdom and foresight.

Real citizens purposely avoid cops and cop families because real citizens realize a person can't be a 'cop" and be a normal human. The two are exclusive of one another.


This.

/My parents were cops.
 
2008-03-18 11:34:48 AM  
FZ6:
Get the cop dick out of my mouth? Nice. Try not acting like such a moron and you probably wouldn't hate them so much.


Your right. That was uncalled for.
 
2008-03-18 11:35:42 AM  
A friend of the family dated a police officer for awhile, when the relationship ended, he got a ticket or two a day for almost 15 days in a row, until he switched cars with a friend. He challenged them all and won, but it was pretty fubared, plus there is nothing wrong with knowing your rights, it may be a "asshole" thing to do, but it's better to be a smart asshole than a stupid farker. :D I have heard people say over and over and I tend to agree with them, cops hate it when people know their rights.
 
2008-03-18 11:36:33 AM  
FZ6: jso2897: FZ6: Cerebral Ballsy: Wow, buncha cop fellators at thread top. Hope you guys are firends with everyone on the force, since you seem to be cool witht hem "inventing reasons to arrest" people.

Nice attempt, but you only get a 7/10.

These people aren't "fellating" the cops. Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid. As was said multiple times in this thread - the few times I have been pulled over was because I was doing something wrong (speeding). Other than that, I've been stopped at 3 checkpoints. I drove two different sports cars - one with a removable roof (Supra) and the other that had VERY dark tint (3000 GT) and NEVER got pulled over "just because". For people like you who think that cops are just a bunch of jackasses, maybe you could just try not breaking the law.

Coming from New Orleans, I used to hear people all the time scream about - "That's crap! I got pulled over AGAIN because of tail-light covers. Don't cops have anything better to do than harass me?!" Well, stupid, you KNOW it's illegal, yet continue to do it anyway. And that's their job - to stop people from doing illegal things.

So you have no problem with a police officer threatening to manufacture false charges against a citizen, as long as you can define that citizen, to your own satisfaction, as a "prick"?
ooooookay.......

Again, because apparently people aren't reading what I'm typing, not one time in my post do I say that it's okay for a cop to fabricate charges. You have absolutely NO idea how much it burns me when I hear about "bad cops" doing "bad things". My point was that if you aren't out looking for trouble, it probably won't find out. Just like someone else here made the comment that usually people with a camera can find what they're looking for.

The moral of my story was that people in this thread aren't getting mad at -that- cop for "fabricating charges". Too many were making general comments basically about cops being pricks and doing whatever they want. That part is not true as a whole.


If I misunderstood you, it is because you used the following sentence: "Bottom line is that this guy is a prick."
No. That's not the bottom line. That's an excuse. The bottom line here is that a public servant violated the rights of a citizen, and threatened to frame him, basically for being a jerk. The fact that the guy is a jerk does not concern me - the behavior of a public servant does.
Sorry if I misinterpreted your post.
 
2008-03-18 11:38:26 AM  
The general makeup of police forces are..

80% Farvas, raging tiny penis jerkwads trying to prove something with a hard on for authority situations and a deep desire to bully people
20% Rabbit, Thorny, and Mac. good cops with a sense of humor and an honest desire to do good.


yeah I made a super troopers reference.
 
2008-03-18 11:39:16 AM  
FZ6: I never said it was right to threaten him with false charges. If you read the rest of my post, you would see my point. My point is (again) that if you are respectful with officers, they will respect you.

No, no they won't. They DONT.

And, threatening with false charges makes the cop wrong, and a criminal. End of farking discussion.

Go suck a cop's dick or something. It's wasted effort to just post about it here.
 
2008-03-18 11:39:31 AM  
next time I'm in a hostage situation, I'll be sure to be ever so thankful of the inevitability of the media's coverage of the developing situation, without which the cops wouldn't be forced to act. no authority figure should be fellated for following the book. in this situation, Cop bad and kid good. who cares if the kid was "asking for it"? if a law enforcement officer is unable to discern the real potential for danger from the real potential to abuse his authority, then he shouldn't be allowed to cower behind his badge.
 
2008-03-18 11:40:00 AM  
Americans fear the public authorities because they WANT us to. Until STOPPED BY THE POLICE FOR QUESTIONING means the same as STOPPED BY A PASSER-BY FOR DIRECTIONS we will always be in fear of them.
 
2008-03-18 11:40:18 AM  
There is only one prick in this story and he was the one wearing the badge.
/wonder what the ex-cop does now?
//blackwater?
///mall cop?
////posting on Fark and using too many slashies!?!?
 
2008-03-18 11:44:18 AM  
jafiwam: FZ6: I never said it was right to threaten him with false charges. If you read the rest of my post, you would see my point. My point is (again) that if you are respectful with officers, they will respect you.

No, no they won't. They DONT.

And, threatening with false charges makes the cop wrong, and a criminal. End of farking discussion.

Go suck a cop's dick or something. It's wasted effort to just post about it here.



This.

You are completely at the mercy of the cop having a good or bad day, which is typically based off the amount of people they have talked to before yourself. If you are their first stop of the day and they are morning people, I bet they'd let someone off with a verbal warning more times than not.

Law helps for some things, but damn is it a waste on so many more.
 
2008-03-18 11:45:11 AM  
Unshavenhelga: logruszed: being in a position to potentially be arrested twice means you're probably at least some sort of douchebag or asshole.

Nice. I was a problem in college. Both time were for illegal trespass--one in a graveyard, the other in a railyard. Both were related to fraternity crap. I freely admit that I should have been in neither place.

Such is life, you little troll.



Ok, so it's douchebag. Got it.

/it's not really trolling if it's a genuine observation.
 
2008-03-18 11:45:51 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: treating a cop like less than a person to his face doesn't make you any friends.

And cops spitting on our constitutional laws and treating civilians with utter disrespect doesn't make them good cops. It places them beneath contempt. Threatening to manufacture charges is possibly the lowest thing a society could do to its people. I refer to Gulag Archipelago and the infamous 'Blue Hats' stories told within.

Philip J. Fry: This kid helped get a criminal with a badge and a gun off the street.

Fry FTW!
 
2008-03-18 11:46:08 AM  
What do you expect when you offer crap for pay? You get people who want to carry a gun and act like a big man.

I don't work in law enforcement, nor do I want to. I'm sure I'd get fired within 6 months because the only tickets I'd write would be for going slow in the left lane and other general stupidity that pisses me off. I'd not write a speeding ticket for any less than 20 over. I'd not make the city any money.

That aside, for $30,000 or $40,000 I'd not put my life at risk. I don't need to carry a gun to make myself feel important.

I've said it before. Take all the police, fire half of them, and increase the salary to the other half. I'd rather have 10 well paid, well qualified officers, than 20 of these morons.
 
2008-03-18 11:46:09 AM  
Has anyone ever tried to find out how many fired cops now work for das Office auf Homeland Security? We all know there ain't enough malls and bowling alleys to hire em all.
 
2008-03-18 11:46:15 AM  
justoneznot: In case you haven't seen it, here's the video (new window) of the encounter.

Damn, what a farking prick that cop was!

I only had to watch about two minutes of that to make up my mind on the issue. The kid did nothing wrong and the cop was being a major asshole right off the bat.

WTF is wrong with you people that seem to think that quoting your farking RIGHTS is somehow baiting a cop???? IF you get pulled over for legit reasons, be nice and apologetic and you might get off, if you get farked with for no reason at all....by all means start quoting your farking Constitutionally guaranteed RIGHTS!

/everyone who is supporting the jack-ass cop in this particular case should DIAF, seriously.
 
2008-03-18 11:49:38 AM  
while i have no problem treating police with respect (it's a tough job) i'm at the same time not going to beg them for my rights.
when dealing with police it's very very important that you know your rights both under the u.s. constitution, and your states statutes .
it's your responsibility, and in no way are the police other than the reading of miranda obligated to tell you when they are exceeding their authority and railroading you.
this link will give you an idea of how to protect your rights (new window)
 
2008-03-18 11:50:59 AM  
My dad was a cop. /kick out of these replies, etc.

Basically there are two categories of police officers.

1. Professionals.
2. Assholes.

Professionals are the cops who are out there, just doing their job, using their personal judgement in each situation as they are trained to do. They don't let the power of their badge go to their heads. They are just average people trying to do the right thing.

The assholes are a breed unto their own. They don't use judgement or common sense, they just assume that because they have a gun and a badge, it makes them all-powerful. They believe that they are "above" the average joe, and see to it that they spread hate and dissention wherever they go.

Unfortunately, a lot of times, the assholes tend to be troublemakers. They are technically "doing their job" so you really can't fire them for being a supreme asshole. So, just like in the corporate world, the assholes get promoted. Why? Well if you can find a place where they won't have as much interaction with others, they won't cause everybody headaches. This is why assholes almost always seem to be in the "middle management" of any organization.
 
2008-03-18 11:52:49 AM  
Ain't it sweet to hear a cop cry entrapment?
 
2008-03-18 11:54:03 AM  
Unshavenhelga: If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger.

Oh man that's hilarious. Like they want to be where the real danger is, but they get all caught up in messing with this guy. There's almost no way that isn't funny.
 
2008-03-18 11:55:03 AM  
Unshavenhelga: Dude seriously WTF: Was he baiting them?

If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger.


So full of fail I just don't know where to begin...
 
2008-03-18 11:55:10 AM  
h to the 'ojo: yeah yeah yeah

Cop haters are so predictable

Rodney King was 16 years ago. In one city. Involving a hoodlum and few cops who tried to take the protection of the community beyond what is legal.

The next time you're in a hostage situation, I'll bet you are pissing your pants with happiness when the cops risk their lives to save your worthless ass


I'm more likely to be killed by a cop speeding.
 
2008-03-18 11:57:17 AM  
Although Kuehnlein also claimed to be taping the encounter with his dash-mounted video camera, the tape has since been lost or destroyed.

Don't let this little fact bother you cop-fellaters.
 
2008-03-18 11:58:58 AM  
I couldn't listen to the asshole cop for more that 2 min.
What a twatwaffle.

Who hires these assholes?
 
2008-03-18 11:59:11 AM  
Between personal experience of being a "young" driver, and that of my friends.....yeah, traffic cops mostly are jerks. Regular joe non-traffic guys are usually awesome.

My friend got yanked for "swerving" once, at 8am, on her way to work. The officer demanded to search her car, she said no (that she'd be late for work), and he then said he'd have to call the canine unit, which would take 30-45min to get there, which would DEFINITELY make her late. Totally illegal---stops can only be reasonable time to cite/investigate for the cause of the pull-over, unless the person's acting suspicious (which she wasn't). He was pissed when the search turned up nothing.
 
2008-03-18 11:59:36 AM  
How is knowing your rights and insisting that they not be violated 'being a prick'?
 
2008-03-18 12:01:17 PM  
No physical abuse took place. Cop was fired.
Only a biotch would want to sue.
 
2008-03-18 12:01:36 PM  
Barbecue Bob: I couldn't listen to the asshole cop for more that 2 min.
What a twatwaffle.

Who hires these assholes?


So, what exactly would you do when the 2 minutes was up?
 
2008-03-18 12:01:53 PM  
h to the 'ojo: The next time you're in a hostage situation, I'll bet you are pissing your pants with happiness when the cops risk their lives to save your worthless ass

So the OTHER COP that arrives to back up the one that pulled me over and started harassing me will save my worthless ass? Get off their laps and grow a pair of your own.
 
2008-03-18 12:02:07 PM  
If there are police harassing this guy, they are not much better than gangsters themselves. If they are too stupid to just leave alone a law abiding citizen they'll get what's coming. I hope he sues them in to the stone age.

That said, I'm gratefull when I see the Sheriff patroling my neighborhood - then again, I don't have a habit of breaking the law either.
 
2008-03-18 12:03:01 PM  
But did he get Fired?

/Article must have commented on that 3 farking times.
 
2008-03-18 12:03:15 PM  
A$$man

I know my life would be over if I knew some guy on the internet calling himself A$$man thought I was a biatch.
 
2008-03-18 12:03:25 PM  
"To harass and arrest."

err....

"To protect and serve."
 
2008-03-18 12:03:34 PM  
for good or for awesome: FZ6:
Get the cop dick out of my mouth? Nice. Try not acting like such a moron and you probably wouldn't hate them so much.

Your right. That was uncalled for.


Naw, you were spot on. He's pretty much choking down the pork.
 
2008-03-18 12:03:44 PM  
If anyone can watch/listen to this video and try to blame the guy for what happened, you're obviously a very, very, very stupid person. It's my belief that some people are just basically rotten, and that cop is one of those people. It wouldn't matter if his career was milkman, gas station attendant, postman, or cow inseminator. He'd still be a raging asshole.
 
2008-03-18 12:05:12 PM  
mofomisfit: A$$man

I know my life would be over if I knew some guy on the internet calling himself A$$man thought I was a biatch.


You are offended then, enough to post a response at least.

/Whats wrong with being a money man?
 
2008-03-18 12:05:42 PM  
ThatGuyGreg: but let's face it - treating a cop like less than a person dominant demigod of justice who's boots you are unworthy to shine to his face doesn't make you any friends.


/deploys tactical popcorn
 
2008-03-18 12:07:23 PM  
A$$man

Offended? No, bored, and pointing out your name leaves you little room to call anyone else a biatch.
 
Ant [TotalFark]
2008-03-18 12:07:42 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: Barbecue Bob: I couldn't listen to the asshole cop for more that 2 min.
What a twatwaffle.

Who hires these assholes?

So, what exactly would you do when the 2 minutes was up?


Well luckily, he had the option of just closing the browser window after two minutes. The kid? Not so much.
 
2008-03-18 12:10:26 PM  
Since when is pulling into an empty commuter parking lot at night a crime? Look, I know St. Louis is not a nice place even in the daylight but this is just pure paranoia ON BOTH SIDES. Are we really gonna feel safer when we all show up in court with videos of our own? NO, WE WON'T.
 
2008-03-18 12:10:45 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND 2008-03-18 12:01:36 PM
Barbecue Bob: I couldn't listen to the asshole cop for more that 2 min.
What a twatwaffle.

Who hires these assholes?

So, what exactly would you do when the 2 minutes was up?

////

I should have said I couldn't listen to the VIDEO of that asshole... yaddayadda

Dunno what I'd have done if I was there... go to jail for cockpunching a asshat retard fukhead pig?
But I don't live in a po-dunk town and hang out on parking lots at 2am.

/Used to.
//Small town cops sure are not like Andy Griffith anymore.
 
2008-03-18 12:11:33 PM  
mofomisfit: A$$man

Offended? No, bored, and pointing out your name leaves you little room to call anyone else a biatch.


Again what does a money man have anything to do with calling some one a Biotch... like yourself?
 
2008-03-18 12:11:39 PM  
A$$man: No physical abuse took place. Cop was fired.
Only a biotch would want to sue.


Says the guy that didn't have his rights violated by a confrontational cop, and then got harrassed by said cop's "buddies" after the incident. I'm sorry, but as a law abiding citizen, you shouldn't have to live in fear of retaliation from the goddamn police. If a lawsuit is the only thing that's going to make the people up stairs get their dogs on a leash, then I say go for it.
 
2008-03-18 12:12:54 PM  
Am I too late? I just came to say:

P-P-P-P-Peeeyugs!
 
2008-03-18 12:14:06 PM  
Barbecue Bob: "To harass and arrest."

err....

"To protect and serve."


IT'S A COOKBOOK !
 
2008-03-18 12:14:10 PM  
mofomisfit: A$$man

Offended? No, bored, and pointing out your name leaves you little room to call anyone else a biatch.


Coming from someone with "mofo" in their login...

/pot, kettle, etc.
 
2008-03-18 12:14:11 PM  
FZ6
I drove two different sports cars - one with a removable roof (Supra) and the other that had VERY dark tint (3000 GT)

Are you a hooker, or gay? Or a gay hooker?
 
2008-03-18 12:14:14 PM  
A$$man: mofomisfit: A$$man

Offended? No, bored, and pointing out your name leaves you little room to call anyone else a biatch.

Again what does a money man have anything to do with calling some one a Biotch... like yourself?

=======================================

Snoop Doog is a Farker?


/stay classy
 
2008-03-18 12:15:07 PM  
mooseyfate: A$$man: No physical abuse took place. Cop was fired.
Only a biotch would want to sue.

Says the guy that didn't have his rights violated by a confrontational cop, and then got harrassed by said cop's "buddies" after the incident. I'm sorry, but as a law abiding citizen, you shouldn't have to live in fear of retaliation from the goddamn police. If a lawsuit is the only thing that's going to make the people up stairs get their dogs on a leash, then I say go for it.


"Police man yelled at me... my feelings go hurt...I'm too soft to take getting yelled at".

/The pussifacation of America continues.
 
2008-03-18 12:15:43 PM  
A question for all you "few bad cops ruin it for everyone" crowd;


Why, here on Fark.com, is there a story of cops abuse almost every farking day?
 
2008-03-18 12:16:14 PM  
rvagirl81
Well then tell her not to be black next time.
 
2008-03-18 12:16:37 PM  
what the cat dragged in: mofomisfit: A$$man

Offended? No, bored, and pointing out your name leaves you little room to call anyone else a biatch.

Coming from someone with "mofo" in their login...

/pot, kettle, etc.



THIS!!!
 
2008-03-18 12:18:12 PM  
He sees 'em rollin',
He's baitin'.
 
2008-03-18 12:18:23 PM  
Shocktopus: /deploys tactical popcorn

*snert*
 
2008-03-18 12:20:21 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: A$$man: mofomisfit: A$$man

Offended? No, bored, and pointing out your name leaves you little room to call anyone else a biatch.

Again what does a money man have anything to do with calling some one a Biotch... like yourself?
=======================================

Snoop Doog is a Farker?


/stay classy


Well, after the whole "Doogie Howser" thing, Neil Patrick Harris decided to G-Style and get his Fark on. Don't hate on a playa, now, man.
 
2008-03-18 12:20:45 PM  
Ant: DROxINxTHExWIND: Barbecue Bob: I couldn't listen to the asshole cop for more that 2 min.
What a twatwaffle.

Who hires these assholes?

So, what exactly would you do when the 2 minutes was up?

Well luckily, he had the option of just closing the browser window after two minutes. The kid? Not so much.


Hmm... that closing-the browser-window-thingy-as-real-life would be a great script pitch.

/my people will call your people?
 
2008-03-18 12:21:05 PM  
n every profession, there are assholes.

The problem is, a cop's job really has a lot of power with it, and lots of public view.

A guy spititng in random food orders ata fast food poace is an ass, but barring disease, he's not doing much social harm. A cop acting out, can do a lot of harm to a person. Despite a terribly difficult job and stress that make a lot of people crack, we have to hold them to higher standards. This may seem unfair, this expectation of perfection, but thats the standard.

Respect the police as best as possible, but expect the best of them as well, and take them to task when they fail that standard. Thats what they signed up for.
 
2008-03-18 12:22:03 PM  
A$$man, are you somehow getting a kick out of this one-sided cop story? Do you think that anyone has the right to make you pay for nothing? Oh, that's right, you only understand money. Your opinion has now been downgraded to worthless much like the financial markets you so cherish. NEXT IN LINE PLEASE!
 
2008-03-18 12:22:21 PM  
Many people who do racing such as SCCA, NASA, and Drag often mount a camera in their car to record runs. They can then go back and analyze how the run went and how to improve etc.

I have seen a dozen different mounting bars and methods, some are as simple as a tripod strapped down with seat belts, others are mounting structures tied to the frame of the car.
 
2008-03-18 12:24:13 PM  
Barbecue Bob - Supply and demand. DUH.
 
2008-03-18 12:25:12 PM  
A$$man: No physical abuse took place. Cop was fired.
Only a biotch would want to sue.


Another one who didn't RTFA.
 
2008-03-18 12:27:15 PM  
The next time I'm in a hostage situation huh?
 
2008-03-18 12:27:37 PM  
A$$man: "Police man yelled at me... my feelings go hurt...I'm too soft to take getting yelled at".

/The pussifacation of America continues.


"Police man threatened to arrest me on trumped up charges...got his friends to harass me after he was fired for a good reason...I'm not stupid enough to stand by and let someone walk all over my rights as a law-abiding citizen."

/How does taking a stand against someone with more authority and power than him make HIM the pussy? He's not the one hiding behind a badge.
 
2008-03-18 12:28:47 PM  
Portugal. The Man: rvagirl81
Well then tell her not to be black next time.


Hahaha....nope, not black. Driving a red old-school Jeep with band stickers. Cop was after drug-usin', loud-music-playin' whitey this time.
 
2008-03-18 12:33:41 PM  
Again I will state that I LIVE in St George (I am about 100 yards from the commuter lot where this happened) and can attest to the fact that the cops are pricks. They are inside St Louis County yet insist on having their own police force of 3-4 cars and a bunch of rent-a-cops with severe inferiority complexes.

Also keep in mind that the Mayor of St George was recently arrested for Child porn and then busted for drugs during the raid.
 
2008-03-18 12:36:36 PM  
Some background: The commuter lot where this happened is actually outside of St. George's venue. A short time after this incident, the mayor was arrested for exchanging child porn online and when they searched his home they found pot.

Story here

I lived in this city for about a year and lived near it for about ten years. It is the worst speed trap in St. Louis and the treatment he gave this kid is not unusual, based on my experiences with them.

What I found funny is the "The video is uploading to a secure system" comment the kid makes during the stop and the dumbass cop believes him.

/subby
 
2008-03-18 12:43:23 PM  
jso2897: A$$man: No physical abuse took place. Cop was fired.
Only a biotch would want to sue.

Another one who didn't RTFA.


The physical abuse was the spitting, or the leaning against?
 
2008-03-18 12:44:51 PM  
h to the 'ojo: yeah yeah yeah

Cop haters are so predictable

Rodney King was 16 years ago. In one city. Involving a hoodlum and few cops who tried to take the protection of the community beyond what is legal.

The next time you're in a hostage situation, I'll bet you are pissing your pants with happiness when the cops risk their lives to save your worthless ass


Why is this a popular defense for law enforcement officers that do wrong?

The possibility that someone might protect me from a bigger threat neither implies nor condones that I would accept being treated wrongly by said person.
 
2008-03-18 12:49:02 PM  
Take a stand to have the cop fired.. which he did, and the cop was.

Why ask for "Damages" when the issue.. to this date, has been resolved.

I bet this kid is going to be a lawyer, and make mad cash suing some
old lady for smelling like... well..old people.
 
2008-03-18 12:49:33 PM  
I beat a cop in court on a speeding ticket. My punishment, I got 6 more by the end of the month. If they saw my car pull out of campus they pulled me over. When I asked the officer if that is what there were going to do, he laughed and said, "pretty much" I wish I had a cam or recorder when that happened. I eventually got all of them dropped by the judge. I should have gone after them for the retaliation.

This guy clearly did nothing wrong, you can see his turn signals etc. There was nothing "suspicious" about him.

I'm thinking of putting in a video cam to show the cops here flying at excess of 80mph with out lights on. I almost got hit by one last month. No headlights at 11pm no bubblegums and doing at least 80 in a 60....going to a call. nope, just going to the station for the end of his shift.
 
2008-03-18 12:53:40 PM  
F*CK THA PO-LEECE!
 
2008-03-18 12:55:27 PM  
I see where this guy is coming from - every time I get pulled over I get bombarded with questions about whether or not there are drugs in my car. This is how it's been the last 3 times I've been pulled over:

Cop: "So where you heading?"

Me: "the grocery store"

Cop: "What, you have the munchies?"

Me: "No, I'm going to get food"

Cop: "Oh, you're going to get drugs?"

Me: "No, I said food"

Cop: "Oh you have the munchies?"

Me: "No, I eat to survive sometimes"

Cop: "Oh you want to be a smart ass, can I search your car?"

Me: "Sure, I keep my drugs at home asshat"

Cop: *searches car for 20 minutes, comes back*

Cop: "i didn't find anything"
 
2008-03-18 01:01:27 PM  
fyi

the kid said elsewhere that he'd get pulled over several times a week and accused of DUI and then abused throught the process. Apparently, they sit outside the train and get the people getting off from the train to drive, since its very common to go to th ebar in the city than travel to the burbs by train..
 
2008-03-18 01:08:26 PM  
BTW, officers, pieces of dog crap like this clown is the reason law-abiding citizens would just as soon spit in your faces as look at you.

Only you can change this.

If you're an actual officer of the law, it's your duty.
 
2008-03-18 01:08:52 PM  
So, because you can't figure out why this dude gets pulled over all the time, and why he has a camera in his car, you figure he must be a cop-baiting asshole. Oh sure, they were both acting like assholes, you say. How generous of you to toss him a bone without knowing the whole situation. This story's already been covered on FARK a couple of months ago.

That "little trouble with a cop" incident that he refers to on the tape? Yeah, that was him being assaulted by a drunken off-duty St. Louis police officer. He got a very large settlement from the city and has been harrassed by the local police ever since then. That's why he's got a videocamera in his car.

The knee-jerk cop defenders just don't seem to get it. Cops are never wrong. If they do something wrong to you, even if you're somehow able to prove it - it doesn't matter. You're farked. They will harass you, threaten you, bully you every chance they get, because you're FARKING LITTLE PEOPLE and they're gonna show you what it means to fark with the police. This guy found online police forums where posters (ostensibly police officers) where threatening his life, although the panel that awarded him the settlement chose not to believe them. Just go look at copswritingcops.com and see how they react when they're not allowed to be above the law. If they break down your door and threaten your family because their warrant had the wrong address on it, not only will they not apologize, they'll make you sign a release saying you won't sue them before they will leave.

They're just like politicians, except they get to use violence.
 
2008-03-18 01:09:20 PM  
The suit says that Kuehnlein had Darrow step out of the car, pinned him against Darrow's car, then got in Darrow's face and shouted, "You wanna try me tonight? You think you've had a bad night? I will ruin your (expletive) night."

Darrow said no. Kuehnlein then suggests he could make up reasons to detain or arrest Darrow, the suit says. "Do you want to go to jail for some (expletive) reason I come up with?"


Actually, if he got that on tape, he's sitting pretty.

/Record cops early. Record cops often.
 
2008-03-18 01:15:42 PM  
And I think this guy's a little too cop-focused.

Most people have zero interaction with cops. A ticket every 15-20 years, if they even get that.
 
2008-03-18 01:20:52 PM  
MagFura2: If they break down your door and threaten your family because their warrant had the wrong address on it, not only will they not apologize, they'll make you sign a release saying you won't sue them before they will leave.

"Hey honey, we'll be having houseguests for a while - because I'll be farked if I'm signing this release!"
 
2008-03-18 01:22:24 PM  
skrilled:

Cop: "Oh you want to be a smart ass, can I search your car?"

Me: "Sure, I keep my drugs at home asshat"

Cop: *searches car for 20 minutes, comes back*

Cop: "i didn't find anything"


Bad move, all it would take is a nice plant and you would do time. If they ask they don't have cause, say no. They likely won't take it further.

That is crazy the cop got fired in this story. Man you really have to fark up to get fired. I mean look at all the stories on here where the cop gets a paid vacation for something illegal.
 
2008-03-18 01:24:13 PM  
A$$man: jso2897: A$$man: No physical abuse took place. Cop was fired.
Only a biotch would want to sue.

Another one who didn't RTFA.

The physical abuse was the spitting, or the leaning against?


No. The part you didn't read is the part about why he is suing them. Originally, he was done when the cop got fired - but the cop's buddies on the force have continued to harrass him subsequently - that's what the suit is about. Just a technical point - argue whichever side of the issue you please, but try to stick to the facts.
 
2008-03-18 01:24:41 PM  
the amount of stupid in this thread is overwhelming. anyone siding with the cop clearly hasn't seen the video. whether he was baiting him or not is irrelevant and disproportional to the way the cop responded.
 
2008-03-18 01:31:00 PM  
I like having cop acquaintances. I like hunting with them. I like going on ride-alongs with them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being known as a "certified good guy" in case the SHTF and I need the benefit of the doubt from one. Same goes for judges and U.S. Senators.
 
2008-03-18 01:32:43 PM  
studebaker hoch: And I think this guy's a little too cop-focused.

Most people have zero interaction with cops. A ticket every 15-20 years, if they even get that.


Granted, this guy seems to be a jerk. But a lot of my fellow citizens are jerks - that isn't my concern. An out of control public servant who has abdicated his responsibility to uphold the Constitution IS my concern.
 
2008-03-18 01:33:11 PM  
A$$man, you are a moran.
 
2008-03-18 01:33:35 PM  
Every police office is corrupt, they all have quotas to meet and they all hassle people to make those quotas. They all make up charges. They could be spending their time actually fighting crime, but none of them do. They would rather hassle people in parking lots, or show up to work drunk, drive around in their cruizers drunk, and then pull over other people and arrest them for being drunk.
 
2008-03-18 01:38:53 PM  
Mr. Peepers: Some background: The commuter lot where this happened is actually outside of St. George's venue. A short time after this incident, the mayor was arrested for exchanging child porn online and when they searched his home they found pot.

Story here

I lived in this city for about a year and lived near it for about ten years. It is the worst speed trap in St. Louis and the treatment he gave this kid is not unusual, based on my experiences with them.

What I found funny is the "The video is uploading to a secure system" comment the kid makes during the stop and the dumbass cop believes him.

/subby


Gonna have to concur here. I've got a buddy that lives over there, and I make it a point to go the long way around that area if I'm ever down there at night. The treatment that guy received isn't much different than treatment you can get from the 70+ different precincts in St. Louis City and county.
 
2008-03-18 01:39:02 PM  
A$$man

It's not the money signs, it's the putting them in the word "ass" as if that was clever or funny.
 
2008-03-18 01:40:04 PM  
abb3w: Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: in the month I've owned my 2000 Grand Am, I've been pulled over three times

Driving a penismobile gets you pulled over more often. One of my former housemates had a nice sportscar, and was frequently pulled for anything over 9 MPH over the limit on the highways. I usually don't get tagged until I edge the border of reckless, but drive a boring green Honda.

/edge which way? um....


Forgive me if this was pointed out, haven't read the whole thread yet, but...

www.automedia.com


A Grand Am should not be pull-over bait. It's a really basic sedan.
 
2008-03-18 01:41:05 PM  
newtekie1: Every police office is corrupt, they all have quotas to meet and they all hassle people to make those quotas. They all make up charges. They could be spending their time actually fighting crime, but none of them do. They would rather hassle people in parking lots, or show up to work drunk, drive around in their cruizers drunk, and then pull over other people and arrest them for being drunk.

I think you are painting with an overly broad brush. I am pushing sixty now, and was a little wild when I was young, and have had dozens of contacts with the police - and I can only remember meeting three who I would put in a class with the officer in this incident. The vast majority that I have met have been pretty much ordinary schlubs like me, trying to earn a living. And I have also met a couple who occupy the opposite end of the spectrum from that crumb-bum. Leave us not generalize too much.
 
2008-03-18 01:42:11 PM  
jso2897: A$$man: jso2897: A$$man: No physical abuse took place. Cop was fired.
Only a biotch would want to sue.

Another one who didn't RTFA.

The physical abuse was the spitting, or the leaning against?

No. The part you didn't read is the part about why he is suing them. Originally, he was done when the cop got fired - but the cop's buddies on the force have continued to harass him subsequently - that's what the suit is about. Just a technical point - argue whichever side of the issue you please, but try to stick to the facts.


He must have video of the "Harassment" if that is true.

Stand by my point... only a biotch would sue.
 
2008-03-18 01:42:52 PM  
jso2897

An out of control public servant who has abdicated his responsibility to uphold the Constitution IS my concern.

True dat.
 
2008-03-18 01:45:34 PM  
A$$man: jso2897: A$$man: jso2897: A$$man: No physical abuse took place. Cop was fired.
Only a biotch would want to sue.

Another one who didn't RTFA.

The physical abuse was the spitting, or the leaning against?

No. The part you didn't read is the part about why he is suing them. Originally, he was done when the cop got fired - but the cop's buddies on the force have continued to harass him subsequently - that's what the suit is about. Just a technical point - argue whichever side of the issue you please, but try to stick to the facts.

He must have video of the "Harassment" if that is true.

Stand by my point... only a biotch would sue.


Be that as it may, he wouldn't be in any position to sue if the officer involved hadn't crossed the line. If the police aren't doing anything wrong, then they don't have anything to worry about - just like the rest of us! :D
 
2008-03-18 01:47:53 PM  
mofomisfit: A$$man

It's not the money signs, it's the putting them in the word "ass" as if that was clever or funny.


Are you still on it MOFO? To assume A$$man means ASSman makes an ass of you and me. Stop making an ass of yourself.
 
2008-03-18 01:51:58 PM  
A$$man: mofomisfit: A$$man

It's not the money signs, it's the putting them in the word "ass" as if that was clever or funny.

Are you still on it MOFO? To assume A$$man means ASSman makes an ass of you and me. Stop making an ass of yourself.


Dude - NEVER get sucked into defending your screenname. The other day, some clown posted his view that all posters with numbers in their screennames were right-wing fundy types. I started to respond, and then...just...didn't. Waste of time.
 
2008-03-18 01:55:50 PM  
jso2897: A$$man: mofomisfit: A$$man

It's not the money signs, it's the putting them in the word "ass" as if that was clever or funny.

Are you still on it MOFO? To assume A$$man means ASSman makes an ass of you and me. Stop making an ass of yourself.

Dude - NEVER get sucked into defending your screenname. The other day, some clown posted his view that all posters with numbers in their screennames were right-wing fundy types. I started to respond, and then...just...didn't. Waste of time.


Good advice.

/Did I really agree with you?
 
2008-03-18 01:59:03 PM  
A$$man: jso2897: A$$man: mofomisfit: A$$man

It's not the money signs, it's the putting them in the word "ass" as if that was clever or funny.

Are you still on it MOFO? To assume A$$man means ASSman makes an ass of you and me. Stop making an ass of yourself.

Dude - NEVER get sucked into defending your screenname. The other day, some clown posted his view that all posters with numbers in their screennames were right-wing fundy types. I started to respond, and then...just...didn't. Waste of time.

Good advice.

/Did I really agree with you?


Why not? I'm trying to have a civil conversation here. We disagree about the legitimacy of this guys lawsuit, but if we were sitting across from each other in a bar, I'd be arguing my point the same way - not telling you to go suck a cop's dick or some crap like that. Who needs that shiat?
 
2008-03-18 02:04:12 PM  
A$$man Stand by my point... only a biotch would sue.

Anybody who sperates the world into people who are or aren't "biotches" is a bad cops wet dream.

And a NWO autocrat's, too.
 
2008-03-18 02:04:31 PM  
FZ6: These people aren't "fellating" the cops. Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights.

That doesn't make you a prick. Here's your version of the world:

Cop: "We're stopping you for no reason."
Guy: "You can't do that."
You: "Hey guy, you're a prick."

Coming from New Orleans, I used to hear people all the time scream about - "That's crap! I got pulled over AGAIN because of tail-light covers. Don't cops have anything better to do than harass me?!" Well, stupid, you KNOW it's illegal, yet continue to do it anyway. And that's their job - to stop people from doing illegal things.

So, wait, here's your updated version of the world:

Guy rides without taillight covers and knows its illegal, has no right to biatch about repercussions from cops.

Cop pulls over people for no reason and searches them illegally knowing full well it's illegal, has every right to biatch about repercussions from citizens, and the citizens who make the complaint are pricks?

Yeah, that actually is cop fellation, guy. I'd love to see you defend what I've just illustrated as blatantly hypocritical.
 
2008-03-18 02:05:50 PM  
I once was driving home from visiting a couple friends at wheaton college in Wheaton, IL. I would visit there every week. I had been pulled over every week like 4 or 5 times in a row before this particular incident. Each time they said somebody "called" complaining I was casing the neighborhood to try to steal things. Then they would ask to search my vehicle. This was probably due to the fact I was driving an older, and sort of rusting '78 Impala that betrayed I wasn't rich.

It had gotten old at that point. So I refused them to allow a search. They went and got a search warrant (I just slept in the car). My trunk was completely full of garbage. Literally stuff I probably should have thrown away. They took out everything out of my trunk and put it in the street (They must of thought I sold drugs or something, I don't know what). They found absolutely nothing illegal.

The cops were extremely pissed off that they found nothing (this had taken up around 4 or 5 hours of their and my time). They said I could then put the stuff back in my car. I informed them I had been pulled over every week I drove home from Wheaton, each time I had done nothing illegal, and I wasn't putting anything back in my car. If they wanted the garbage back in my car, they could put it back, since they had taken it out. They threatened ticketing me with littering, and I said that was fine. If they wanted to ticket me for littering I was OK with that and would see them in court. Then they put the garbage back in my trunk.

They stopped pulling me over after that.
 
2008-03-18 02:07:17 PM  
jso2897: A$$man:
Dude - NEVER get sucked into defending your screenname. The other day, some clown posted his view that all posters with numbers in their screennames were right-wing fundy types. I started to respond, and then...just...didn't. Waste of time.

Good advice.

/Did I really agree with you?

Why not? I'm trying to have a civil conversation here. We disagree about the legitimacy of this guys lawsuit, but if we were sitting across from each other in a bar, I'd be arguing my point the same way - not telling you to go suck a cop's dick or some crap like that. Who needs that shiat?


DAMN YOU SOCIAL INTERACTION FORUM THAT ALLOWS FOR CONCISE AND REASONABLE DIALOG!!!
 
2008-03-18 02:08:19 PM  
bunner: A$$man Stand by my point... only a biotch would sue.

Anybody who sperates the world into people who are or aren't "biotches" is a bad cops wet dream.

And a NWO autocrat's, too.


I only wanted to be loved... is that so wrong???
 
2008-03-18 02:11:22 PM  
Here's my take : If I were this guy, and had experienced the first incident, and seen the cop fired for it, I'd be satisfied, and file it under "D" for done deal.
But if his friends on the force started harrassing me subsequently, I'd do something, and civil litigation would probably be it if all else failed.
Now, if this guy's allegations of harrassment are false, that will come out in court. If they are not - that's some pretty unacceptable shiat right there, and somebody needs to get spanked for it.
 
2008-03-18 02:14:16 PM  
newtekie1: Every police office is corrupt, they all have quotas to meet and they all hassle people to make those quotas. They all make up charges. They could be spending their time actually fighting crime, but none of them do. They would rather hassle people in parking lots, or show up to work drunk, drive around in their cruizers drunk, and then pull over other people and arrest them for being drunk.

"OMG, I just painted the entire world with one stroke!"

I have never had any problems with police officers and have found them to be pretty friendly. But somehow, somehow, I resist thinking that all police everywhere must be pretty nice guys.

This thread is full of either "COPS ARE GREAT!!!" and "COPS ARE EVIL!!!" morans when, like every other profession, some are corrupt douchebags and others are regular, nice dudes.
 
2008-03-18 02:15:05 PM  
Where's czarangulus?
 
2008-03-18 02:17:50 PM  
Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

I think he finally decided to put his degree to work and open up a little corner philosophy shop.
 
2008-03-18 02:19:09 PM  
isaaczeke like every other profession, some are corrupt douchebags and others are regular, nice dudes.

Only these corrupt douchewads are armed to the teeth, can blow your head off with impunuity and just tuck a .25 auto in your dead hand.

Sort of puts it in a different light from skimming the helium fund.

I am pro good cop. There are no "bad" cops. Those are called criminals. I am anti-criminal.
 
2008-03-18 02:22:21 PM  
I certainly agree that older and faster cars do get pulled over often.

A 2000 Grand Am is a pretty old car, by the way. I used to get tickets for 7 over in my ancient 7 series BMW. Now I drive a nice grandma-style car and haven't had a ticket in years though my driving style is unchanged.

I don't really think there's anything wrong with that. I doubt the blond driving the Lexus SUV is casing the neighborhood. It's when police lie, when they threaten to invent crimes, when they assault kids like that skateboarder when they should be thrown in prison.

If this police department has evidence that the officer is a felon (and they clearly do), then he had better be behind bars or out on bail. Firing a cop is not enough.

Cameras and the youtube era is making us safer. Anyone who thinks that when both sides show up with video we aren't getting better justice is wrong. It is great evidence. Someone should sell a cheap and easy to install car cam that records all directions and will send the last and next 30 minutes to a secure server is a panic button is pressed (such as when you are pulled over). You would make a ton of money.

In fact.... I might just!
 
2008-03-18 02:22:24 PM  
LSinLV: ...I am also contemplating adding some video/audio capture device in my GTI...with it being bright yellow...

It's amazing how little of someone's post you actually have to read before realizing they're a douche.
 
2008-03-18 02:22:58 PM  
abb3w: Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: in the month I've owned my 2000 Grand Am, I've been pulled over three times

Driving a penismobile gets you pulled over more often. One of my former housemates had a nice sportscar, and was frequently pulled for anything over 9 MPH over the limit on the highways. I usually don't get tagged until I edge the border of reckless, but drive a boring green Honda.


Sometimes you don't even need a penis mobile. My husband and I lived in a small town in a rural county in Ohio and I heard many stories of the local cops, sherrifs, and patrolmen being real douchbags. But I never really paid much attention. Then, a few months after we had lived there, I was working overtime and had to be at work at 4 am. On a Monday, I noticed that a highway patrolman had turned around and started following me. I didn't worry about it, I wasn't doing anything wrong. He followed me for a couple of miles and lost interest.

This happend every day for a week, with the patrolman following me a little further each day. The following Monday, he finally pulled me over.

He wouldn't tell me why, he demanded to see my registration, insurance, and license. I asked him again, why I was pulled over and he just said he would explain after he ran my info. He took them back to his car and I sat there for almost twenty minutes. Finally he came back and asked me why I was out driving at that time in the morning. I told him I had to be at work early and there were no laws saying I couldn't be out just driving around. That is when he suddenly became Johnny Law. He said that I seemed seem to have a problem with him and had attitude about being pulled over.

I told him of course I did, he hadn't given me a reason why I was pulled over and I told I noticed that he had been following me every day the previous week (the patrol car's tags were the same everyday and some days I actually got a look at his face when he was in the oposite lane before he did a u-turn to follow me).

He told me he pulled me over because the trailer hitch and dirt covered my plate numbers. Which is weird, because the truck didn't have a trailer hitch and when I got to work I checked the plate for dirt and it was spotless.

Then he generously told me he would let me go with a warning. For the next couple mornings, he would be in the same place along my way to work and then he probably moved on to someone else to harass.
 
2008-03-18 02:27:35 PM  
So, a legally manufactured automotive product with specific styling traits triggers some sort of response in cops that makes them think "This guy thinks he's got a big dick!" and it's ok to pull them over?

We give these people guns?
 
2008-03-18 02:28:06 PM  
Dogberry: Battle of the tools if you ask me.

This
 
2008-03-18 02:33:32 PM  
Dogberry: Battle of the tools if you ask me.

I hardly think using technology to protect yourself against people with guns and a licnese to shoot, maim or harass you and take your property without just cause, because they have a uniform, makes you a tool.

Hell, you just described the entire armed forces of any nation.
 
2008-03-18 02:36:42 PM  
siva:
I've known good cops and I've know bad ones. The simple fact of the matter is that it would take 2-3 good police officers to make up for every bad officer.


Unfortunately, even the 'good' cops will cover for the bad cop's bad behavior. That's the code. If they don't, they will not get backup when they need it. This makes them ALL bad cops.

Mr. GoodCop: "yeah, officer Dickfore is a total douche. But I'd never rat him out- the guy has a family!"

Thus making Mr. GoodCop just as culpable as officer Dickfore. All cops are corrupt. Some just more than others.
 
2008-03-18 02:36:42 PM  
"If anyone ever passes by and sees me being beaten up, and you happen to have a video camera in your hand...please put down the camera and HELP ME!"

-Bobcat Goldwait

/just popped into my mind for some reason
 
2008-03-18 02:38:46 PM  
Yeah, baited or not, the cop still acted like an ass on tape.

He deserved to be fired.
 
2008-03-18 02:40:23 PM  
Trojan_Whore: LSinLV: ...I am also contemplating adding some video/audio capture device in my GTI...with it being bright yellow...

It's amazing how little of someone's post you actually have to read before realizing they're a douche.


Good point. For instance, I only had to read half of yours, but I went ahead and finished it just in case. Should've stuck with my first impression.
 
2008-03-18 02:42:50 PM  
bunner: guns and a licnese to shoot, maim or harass you and take your property without just cause,

exagerrate much? Really helps make your point and make you seem like a rational, thought provoking poster.

FWIW and to get back on topic, they (cops) should be held to a higher standard because of their position in society. There are going to be asshats in any profession, and I am sure cops attract a higher percentage of bullies and fascists (did I say that?). Screen applicants better, pay better, enforces rules more stringently. I would imagine it's tought to break the "us vs them" mentality especially for police units that patrol very bad neighborhoods/areas...seems like that is the beginning of the end though when that attitude takes root.
 
2008-03-18 02:45:24 PM  
Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

Not wondering where you are, that's for sure.
 
2008-03-18 02:45:55 PM  
onecanshort: ThatGuyGreg: kronicfeld: Where are you reading that he did that?

How do you figure that an article linked by Fark suddenly has all the details laid out? Are you telling me this average white guy from near St. Louis got a world of shiat from a cop for no reason?

The article may not have all the detail, but the video linked has it all.

And yes, that average white kid from St. Louis got a world of shiat from a cop for no reason other than the guy asked a few questions and quoted his rights since the cop just started questioning him for no reason whatsoever.

So maybe he's guilty of a 317, but that's about it.


317?? Places of prostitution (Penal Code 317)?? Are you also a cop that makes up charges to falsely arrest people because you think they are jerks?
 
2008-03-18 02:49:56 PM  
johnny_vegas bunner: guns and a licnese to shoot, maim or harass you and take your property without just cause

exagerrate much? Really helps make your point and make you seem like a rational, thought provoking poster.

So, are you telling me that that scenario is totally out of the question or are you just getting all sniffy and high horsey, as is the wont of the truly rational, thought-provoking poster?
 
2008-03-18 02:50:14 PM  
mccallcl: Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

Not wondering where you are, that's for sure.


What's that supposed to mean?
 
2008-03-18 02:53:16 PM  
bunner: johnny_vegas bunner: guns and a licnese to shoot, maim or harass you and take your property without just cause

exagerrate much? Really helps make your point and make you seem like a rational, thought provoking poster.

So, are you telling me that that scenario is totally out of the question or are you just getting all sniffy and high horsey, as is the wont of the truly rational, thought-provoking poster?


well, a little of both really. You are equivocating now, though...you ask me if the scenario is possible...yes, but you don't paint a scenario, you used a broad brush to depict all cops.
But if you would like to show me this liscense you speak of, go for it.
 
2008-03-18 02:53:22 PM  
"Although Kuehnlein also claimed to be taping the encounter with his dash-mounted video camera, the tape has since been lost or destroyed."

something like that happened here in Santa Rosa:
a mentally ill man was shot by several officers in the lobby of the police station, and their surveillance system was mysteriously "not functioning" at the time: "police have stated that the video camera in the lobby did not have any film in it."

I think the man, Dale Robbins might have been doing something wrong, but it is certainly an odd coincidence that thier surveillance sytem was not working that particular day.
http://www.sfweekly.com/1997-09-17/news/duck-you-re-in-wine-country/fu​ll

a Federal Civil Rights Commision stated that Santa Rosa Police had the worst "us versus them" mentality seen in 20 years:
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/santarosacivilrights.htm

i say +1 for the dude with the video evidence. he must be very lucky to have gotten on tape the one time a cop threatened somebody with bogus charges.

God Bless America, now more than ever!
 
2008-03-18 02:53:38 PM  
Nigerians with Attitude Say:

Fark da police....!
 
2008-03-18 02:56:41 PM  
bunner: So, a legally manufactured automotive product with specific styling traits triggers some sort of response in cops that makes them think "This guy thinks he's got a big dick!" and it's ok to pull them over?

We give these people guns?


Why so angry?
 
2008-03-18 02:58:23 PM  
Why so angry?

Cable out? : )
 
2008-03-18 02:59:01 PM  
yes, but you don't paint a scenario, you used a broad brush to depict all cops.

Did I?

As long as we're playing show and tell...
 
2008-03-18 02:59:34 PM  
skrilled: This is how it's been the last 3 times I've been pulled over:

Unfortunately, this is how it should go:

Cop: "So where you heading?"

You: "I have no desire to discuss my personal life with you, sir."

/may require in-dash cam to record subsequent events, as cops do not like being put in their place
 
2008-03-18 03:07:00 PM  
johnny_vegas: bunner: guns and a licnese to shoot, maim or harass you and take your property without just cause,

exagerrate much? Really helps make your point and make you seem like a rational, thought provoking poster.


What do you think is an exageration? Cops harrass people. There are plenty of stories in this thread (or any fark cop thread) of that happening.

Cops shoot people. Again, plenty of news stories of this happening.

Cops can take your property. Both 'wrongly' (ie: cops searches your car during a traffic stop, your ashtray full of change mysteriously disappears) and 'rightly' (ie: 'drug' seizures).
 
2008-03-18 03:08:23 PM  
i152.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-18 03:14:58 PM  
bunner: Did I?...

yes
 
2008-03-18 03:29:35 PM  
Arcli9ht: SlothB77: question: where do you find a camera designed for in-car installation and how much do they cost?

A good DVR (720p record) + a wide-angle bullet camera (mounted by the dome light, facing forward to capture the road, rear view mirror, spedometer, and as much of the cabin as possible) will run you 700 and up.

Hide the DVR in the car and run a remote switch, or get a dvr with a decent battery and let it run 24/7 with a couple day backlog of footage. Most DVRs I've looked at have dual audio inputs, so put one microphone by the driver's seat and one on the exterior front of the car. In theory, anything that happens behind your car would be on the officer's dashcam.

/had two traffic stops and have never had a problem with the officer.
//have a script and follow it.


script, please.
 
2008-03-18 03:29:49 PM  
johnny_vegas bunner: Did I?...

yes

Care to tighten that up for me, Lord Succint? Or do you just need ~n amount of baseless condescenscion per day?
 
2008-03-18 03:31:51 PM  
Where are you headed tonight?

Your mom's house omg lol.
 
2008-03-18 03:36:44 PM  
strange how big blue gets so uppety if you dare to even mention "rights".

I would guess every cop out there has abused his power similar to this at least once in there career.

Used to know a local guy who was a part timer, for parades ,concerts, etc.. basically anytime they needed an extra or even a court baliff a few times,he was a solid guy, used to even smoke the herb with me.
He got hired on with the force and because of all the extra schooling he had gone through he was promoted very soon after and he became that guy in the video in record time.

had to bust out the Body Count CD on this one. If only there was some kind of super hero cop fighter guy?

Smoked Pork.
 
2008-03-18 03:37:31 PM  

Cop - Probably having a less than good night, acts unprofessionally (stupidly, actually), and says and does really dumb things. Result - as it should be, cop no longer a cop.


Kid - Breaking the law? No. Acting like a dumb ass and asking unnecessary questions to see what happens? Yes.

Now the tax payers of St. Whatever are going to be on the hook for settlement (and attorneys' fees - totalling in the millions). That's what you get for not putting enough chlorine in the gene pool.

 
2008-03-18 03:37:54 PM  
mooseyfate: Good point. For instance, I only had to read half of yours, but I went ahead and finished it just in case. Should've stuck with my first impression.

Damn, and here you had me caring right up until I clicked your profile.
 
2008-03-18 03:38:23 PM  
jso2897: Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

I think he finally decided to put his degree to work and open up a little corner philosophy shop.


It seems he may have created a few new user names and is adding quite a bit to this thread. Like ArcadianRefugee, Finger51, skrilled...
 
2008-03-18 03:42:31 PM  
Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: in the month I've owned my 2000 Grand Am, I've been pulled over three times.

In the seven years I've owned my 2000 Grand Am I've never been pulled over. I think you're doing it wrong.
 
2008-03-18 03:52:20 PM  
toddhrog
Cop - Probably having a less than good night, acts unprofessionally (stupidly, actually) illegally, and says and does really dumb things violates a person's civil rights and threatens to illegally imprison them. Result - as it should be, cop no longer a cop.

Kid - Breaking the law? No. Acting like a dumb ass and asking unnecessary questions to see what happens? Yes. Demanding to know why he's been stopped and asserting that, despite what the cop may think, he does indeed have rights. Yes


FTFY
 
2008-03-18 03:54:53 PM  
Great Caesar's Toast toddhrog
Cop - Probably having a less than good night, acts unprofessionally (stupidly, actually) illegally, and says and does really dumb things violates a person's civil rights and threatens to illegally imprison them. Result - as it should be, cop no longer a cop.

Kid - Breaking the law? No. Acting like a dumb ass and asking unnecessary questions to see what happens? Yes. Demanding to know why he's been stopped and asserting that, despite what the cop may think, he does indeed have rights. Yes


THIS.

Yeah, hypocrisy is a home-fried biatch.
 
FZ6
2008-03-18 03:56:31 PM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: That doesn't make you a prick. Here's your version of the world:

Cop: "We're stopping you for no reason."
Guy: "You can't do that."
You: "Hey guy, you're a prick."


Okay, fine - he was being a smartass. You can look at it however you want. And no, that's not my version of the world. Never said I was approving the cop doing something wrong. I said the guy was acting like a prick, which he was. Again, if you want to misinterpret me, have fun. I don't care - because like the picture says "Arguing on the internet..."

So, wait, here's your updated version of the world:

Guy rides without taillight covers and knows its illegal, has no right to biatch about repercussions from cops.

Cop pulls over people for no reason and searches them illegally knowing full well it's illegal, has every right to biatch about repercussions from citizens, and the citizens who make the complaint are pricks?

Yeah, that actually is cop fellation, guy. I'd love to see you defend what I've just illustrated as blatantly hypocritical.


Yep, that's pretty much my version. If one knows good and well that it's illegal to ride with darkened taillight covers, but continues to do it anyway, he/she should expect to get pulled over.

As far as defending what you think is "blatantly hypocritical" of me, well I will. Again, I never said that the cop was right for what he did (it's in another one of my posts). I said that I'm sick of seeing people cry and complain all of the time about what cops are doing "wrong", and act like nothing is ever the fault of anyone else. It couldn't possibly be that the person being pulled over was actually doing something wrong and they are suffering the consequences. That's just complete crazy-talk.

(If you don't believe me, then read on fark almost every single freaking day it seems like about some idiot being pulled over for speeding/driving recklessly while transporting drugs)

And at this point, I've already repeated myself 3 times. Short version:
The guy is an idiot
The cop did something stupid
They are both at fault
Not every cop is bad
 
2008-03-18 03:56:37 PM  
ThatGuyGreg: kronicfeld: Spelling America with a "k," now, are we?

LOL - I knew as soon as I wrote that, someone would read it wrong.

Word travels FAST around a police station, and after the first or second encounter with this guy, I'm sure they were pulling him over if there was a little dirt covering his inspection sticker. I'm not saying it's right, but let's face it - treating a cop like less than a person to his face doesn't make you any friends.


Huh? He was very repsectful to the cop.

The Cop started throwing a fit and was too farking stupid to calm down.

He got himself fired for it. Moran.
 
2008-03-18 04:02:04 PM  
FZ6
The guy is an idiot
The cop did something stupid illegal
They are both at fault
Not every cop is bad


Let's not mince words. And how, exactly, was the kid an idiot?
 
2008-03-18 04:02:37 PM  
Lem Motlow: jso2897: Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

I think he finally decided to put his degree to work and open up a little corner philosophy shop.

It seems he may have created a few new user names and is adding quite a bit to this thread. Like ArcadianRefugee, Finger51, skrilled...


You know, if I was the admin of a popular forum, looking for more hits, making up outrageous posters would be one good method to keep a thread alive.

Just saying... Not that you need to make up idiots on the internet, but the ratio is suspiciously high on some sites.
 
2008-03-18 04:02:42 PM  
Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

I think he finally decided to put his degree to work and open up a little corner philosophy shop.

It seems he may have created a few new user names and is adding quite a bit to this thread. Like ArcadianRefugee


?
 
2008-03-18 04:06:19 PM  
ArcadianRefugee
It seems he may have created a few new user names and is adding quite a bit to this thread. Like ArcadianRefugee

?


Oh sure go ahead and deny it you...you...ALT!
 
2008-03-18 04:08:46 PM  
Great Caesar's Toast: Oh sure go ahead and deny it you...you...ALT!

I CAN HATE JOOS NOW?
 
2008-03-18 04:10:23 PM  
Lem Motlow: jso2897: Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

I think he finally decided to put his degree to work and open up a little corner philosophy shop.

It seems he may have created a few new user names and is adding quite a bit to this thread. Like ArcadianRefugee, Finger51, skrilled...


???
please explain. I honestly don't know what you mean.... I've only posted once and don't do 'alias's'
 
2008-03-18 04:14:16 PM  

Thank you for the input and worthy offer to fix it. No need though. We disagree.

This is one of those times where, yeah, the kid wasn't breaking the law, just like it's not illegal to have a bumper sticker which pokes fun at law enforcement. And, yes, a responsible citizens should take it upon themselves to legally and respectfully monitor the behavior of the government (and thus cops). But just as your 1st Amendment allows you to have a bumper sticker which reads, "I hate Cops," that same person can expect to get pulled over a lot, and rarely get a break. And if it's two AM, and that car resembles one that is suspicious, you can bet your bucket that if it were me wearing the badge, I'd probably apply a little bit of pressure.

It was an assertively curious cop who asked Timothy McVeigh tough questions. And it's a darned good thing we didn't let his rights get...dusty.
 
2008-03-18 04:19:44 PM  
durbnpoisn: When I was young, I WISH I could have installed a video camera in my car. I used to get pulled over a minimum of 5 times a week. At all times of day. Then I would have my car searched.

All of this was because my brother was fairly well known as a bad dude. So, they messed with me constantly.

So, I know where this dude is coming from. After a while it really does become clear that your rights are being violated.

So, I support him in his fight. Although, he shouldn't be such a pussy that he needs the ACLU to stand up for him. He should just do it on his own, if he's that serious.


It's not being a pussy, it's being smart. They have loads of resources and expertise in fighting this crap in court.

Duh.
 
2008-03-18 04:36:43 PM  
A 2001 black durango is major police bait. I have been pulled over many times while driving it. Almost everytime they explain to me I resemble a person who just robbed a store down the street, or a stolen vehical matching this description. More often then not I'm in a suit or a dress shirt and tie. Though it is a bit of trouble they do appoligize and then I'm back on my way. I have only been pulled over once in this buick allure, I was speeding so he was just doing his job.
I havent really had any trouble with officers, They were pretty good when my car was stolen, and my other was broken into, and when it happened again. I got the shiatty car back but never got my sound system back :/

//sorry run on...
 
2008-03-18 04:38:36 PM  
Trojan_Whore: mooseyfate: Good point. For instance, I only had to read half of yours, but I went ahead and finished it just in case. Should've stuck with my first impression.

Damn, and here you had me caring right up until I clicked your profile.


Um...Okay. Excellent retort. Sure put me in my place.
 
2008-03-18 04:40:00 PM  
Heh, apparently the Chief of Police (^) in this town was put on probation a few years ago for trying to have sex with a teenage girl he pulled over.

This is pretty creepy: (^)
The patrol car drove away as Darrow started his car and followed. Because his camera had been set to capture night-time footage, the first 45 seconds of the video is obscured. It does, however, capture the police car making questionable turning maneuvers in order to get away. Members of the police community are on the record regarding their desire to stake out Darrow's home and harass the twenty-year-old. In late June, users of St. Louis CopTalk, an unofficial forum for Saint Louis area law enforcement, posted Darrow's home address along with messages containing apparent death threats in retaliation for the young motorist's taping of a DUI roadblock in November and a traffic ticket in June. One CopTalk user repeating the address wrote, "Every copper, City and County, should etch this little punks [sic] name in their [sic] memory. Brett Darrow, [address deleted], city of St. Louis."
 
2008-03-18 04:42:59 PM  
EbolaNYC: durbnpoisn: When I was young, I WISH I could have installed a video camera in my car. I used to get pulled over a minimum of 5 times a week. At all times of day. Then I would have my car searched.

All of this was because my brother was fairly well known as a bad dude. So, they messed with me constantly.

So, I know where this dude is coming from. After a while it really does become clear that your rights are being violated.

So, I support him in his fight. Although, he shouldn't be such a pussy that he needs the ACLU to stand up for him. He should just do it on his own, if he's that serious.

It's not being a pussy, it's being smart. They have loads of resources and expertise in fighting this crap in court.

Duh.


You forget that we're moving into the "Idiocracy as fact" generation. I'm just shocked there aren't people in here commenting about how he "talks like a fag".

/I think this guy has stood up to the St. Louis Police on his own long enough
//Why not use the resources and experience of the ACLU to seal the deal and get those bitter assholes off his back?
 
2008-03-18 04:49:25 PM  
Finger51: Lem Motlow: jso2897: Lem Motlow: Where's czarangulus?

I think he finally decided to put his degree to work and open up a little corner philosophy shop.

It seems he may have created a few new user names and is adding quite a bit to this thread. Like ArcadianRefugee, Finger51, skrilled...

???
please explain. I honestly don't know what you mean.... I've only posted once and don't do 'alias's'


czarangulus is a poster who has a grand reputation for posting comments that shed a very poor light on law enforcement officers by citing isolated (and, I suspect, often fictitious) incidents and using that to make sweeping generalizations without providing anything beyond andecdotal stories.

Your comment about how all cops are corrupt is very similar to something czar would post (at least insofar as it is a sweeping generalization without any real information to back it up).
 
2008-03-18 04:51:28 PM  
Saw the video. The civilian wasn't friendly (why the fark would you NEED to be friendly?) but he was in no way hostile or aggressive. He was was concise, but still courteous. The cop on the other hand, was an absolutely, utter farking punk.

But the important thing is, a college of the punk cop showed up -- and he did NOTHING to stop the punk cop. And that's the crux of the matter: no matter what kind of criminal activities a cop engages in, a fellow officer will always look the other way.

And that's why all cops are bad. The most famous case of a cop standing up against the crimes and corruption of his fellow officer was Serpico -- and he only did it after he was repeatedly shot in the head by four fellow officers and left for dead.

All cops are bad. No exceptions.
 
2008-03-18 04:53:38 PM  
Finger51: Lem Motlow: jso2897:

Unlike your comment, however, czar would use this to make himself look all street and hardcore. It was as if he would be trying to say "yeah, man, I hate those coppers. I would have kicked his *ss, but they would have locked me up forever. He got lucky this time."
 
2008-03-18 04:56:58 PM  
Lem Motlow:
Your comment about how all cops are corrupt is very similar to something czar would post (at least insofar as it is a sweeping generalization without any real information to back it up).


ah. I see.

So you think cops never cover for each other?
 
2008-03-18 05:03:25 PM  
Lem Motlow: czarangulus is a poster who has a grand reputation for posting comments that shed a very poor light on law enforcement officers by citing isolated (and, I suspect, often fictitious) incidents and using that to make sweeping generalizations without providing anything beyond andecdotal stories

OK, but that doesn't explain me. Mine wasn't citing anything, merely stating an opinion.

Or do you think the cop has a right to know what your evening plans are? Or is it that you think saying that to the cop would result in the cop's graciously retracting the question?
 
2008-03-18 05:07:47 PM  
Lem Motlow:

Reading your second post, I can see where (if you were high) you might infer that I was being "street". I was pointing out that it's none of the cops business, but it's not smart to piss off the guy who can pwn in you less than 2 seconds.

/always courteous to our 'friends in blue'
//except one douche who was accusing me of DUI (I hadn't had a drink all week)
 
2008-03-18 05:11:25 PM  
FZ6: Cerebral Ballsy: Wow, buncha cop fellators at thread top. Hope you guys are firends with everyone on the force, since you seem to be cool witht hem "inventing reasons to arrest" people.

Nice attempt, but you only get a 7/10.

These people aren't "fellating" the cops. Bottom line is that this guy is a prick. He said it himself that he would go about quoting his rights. No need to be obnoxious and stupid. As was said multiple times in this thread - the few times I have been pulled over was because I was doing something wrong (speeding). Other than that, I've been stopped at 3 checkpoints. I drove two different sports cars - one with a removable roof (Supra) and the other that had VERY dark tint (3000 GT) and NEVER got pulled over "just because". For people like you who think that cops are just a bunch of jackasses, maybe you could just try not breaking the law.

Coming from New Orleans, I used to hear people all the time scream about - "That's crap! I got pulled over AGAIN because of tail-light covers. Don't cops have anything better to do than harass me?!" Well, stupid, you KNOW it's illegal, yet continue to do it anyway. And that's their job - to stop people from doing illegal things.



So, quoting your rights to a cop who has overstepped his boundaries and has told you that he will illegally violate your rights for nothing more than asking a question is obnoxious and stupid?

Dude, go back to China if you don't want basic human rights, the kid wasn't doing anything illegal, the cop was abusing his authority, got caught, and was fired due to the media shiat-storm that ensued.

P.S. cops don't like making contact with effeminate guys, that is why you haven't been harassed by them, they are afraid "teh gay" will rub off on them.
 
2008-03-18 05:16:04 PM  
ArcadianRefugee: Lem Motlow: czarangulus is a poster who has a grand reputation for posting comments that shed a very poor light on law enforcement officers by citing isolated (and, I suspect, often fictitious) incidents and using that to make sweeping generalizations without providing anything beyond andecdotal stories

OK, but that doesn't explain me. Mine wasn't citing anything, merely stating an opinion.

Or do you think the cop has a right to know what your evening plans are? Or is it that you think saying that to the cop would result in the cop's graciously retracting the question?


You didn't quote the part of my post that explains the connection.
 
2008-03-18 05:17:53 PM  
Great Caesar's Toast: FZ6
The guy is an idiot
The cop did something stupid illegal
They are both at fault
Not every cop is bad

Let's not mince words. And how, exactly, was the kid an idiot?


Don't bother, he's not gotten the point by now, he never will.
 
2008-03-18 05:18:14 PM  
ArcadianRefugee: Lem Motlow:

Reading your second post, I can see where (if you were high) you might infer that I was being "street". I was pointing out that it's none of the cops business, but it's not smart to piss off the guy who can pwn in you less than 2 seconds.

/always courteous to our 'friends in blue'
//except one douche who was accusing me of DUI (I hadn't had a drink all week)


You should read my post a little more carefully. First, it wasn't addressed to you. Second, it started with the word "unlike."
 
2008-03-18 05:20:56 PM  
Finger51: Lem Motlow:
Your comment about how all cops are corrupt is very similar to something czar would post (at least insofar as it is a sweeping generalization without any real information to back it up).

ah. I see.

So you think cops never cover for each other?


I didn't say that. I try to avoid making sweeping generalization, particularly about a group of people who's charge is making my life more safe, while they put themselves in harm's way for meager pay.
 
2008-03-18 05:21:51 PM  
Voxton: Saw the video. The civilian wasn't friendly (why the fark would you NEED to be friendly?) but he was in no way hostile or aggressive. He was was concise, but still courteous. The cop on the other hand, was an absolutely, utter farking punk.

But the important thing is, a college of the punk cop showed up -- and he did NOTHING to stop the punk cop. And that's the crux of the matter: no matter what kind of criminal activities a cop engages in, a fellow officer will always look the other way.

And that's why all cops are bad. The most famous case of a cop standing up against the crimes and corruption of his fellow officer was Serpico -- and he only did it after he was repeatedly shot in the head by four fellow officers and left for dead.

All cops are bad. No exceptions.


Richie Roberts?
 
2008-03-18 05:47:03 PM  
Bullshiatter: Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.

No, I've considered it before after run ins with cops who accused me of being a heroine junkie, cops who said I was drunk (I was 20 years old and I never drank until I was old enough to). However, now taht I'm 27 my run ins with the law are few and far between now, and I always was polite with the police but now I just try to engage them in friendly conversation and I'm getting away with more than ever.

Funny how kids doing nothing wrong get more heat from cops than adults doing minor things wrong. But yeah, cops can be dicks and I usually take the cops side of the story with a grain of salt and this is a great example of why.
 
2008-03-18 05:48:05 PM  
Running a-puck: Sign me up for a transparent society (p)

Bruce Schneier disagrees at length.

/And Bruce already knows Alice's secret.
 
2008-03-18 05:48:10 PM  
jso2897: newtekie1: Every police office is corrupt, they all have quotas to meet and they all hassle people to make those quotas. They all make up charges. They could be spending their time actually fighting crime, but none of them do. They would rather hassle people in parking lots, or show up to work drunk, drive around in their cruizers drunk, and then pull over other people and arrest them for being drunk.

I think you are painting with an overly broad brush. I am pushing sixty now, and was a little wild when I was young, and have had dozens of contacts with the police - and I can only remember meeting three who I would put in a class with the officer in this incident. The vast majority that I have met have been pretty much ordinary schlubs like me, trying to earn a living. And I have also met a couple who occupy the opposite end of the spectrum from that crumb-bum. Leave us not generalize too much.



Sorry but what the police did 40 years ago and what the police are doing today are two completely different subjects.
 
2008-03-18 05:59:45 PM  
I watched that video.
Cop kept boasting about how he knew teh law.
Guess not enough to keep himself from getting fired.
 
2008-03-18 06:16:46 PM  
I drive a pretty hooked up ride...
i238.photobucket.com

I usually get stopped around 6 times a month for whatever reason. Searched occasionally. Local cops don't do it so much since they know me by now, but if I travel anywhere... I'm going to get pulled. Most of the time, I don't end up with any tickets, but sometimes the cop just goes nuts and writes me up for every equipment violation he can. Sometimes I get pulled just because they want to get a closer look too.

It's part of the life I guess, but it gets old.
 
2008-03-18 06:24:06 PM  
logruszed:


Ok, so it's douchebag. Got it.

/it's not really trolling if it's a genuine observation.


With that haircut, I'd be bitter too. You're an ass, little petulant troll.
 
2008-03-18 06:32:46 PM  
isaaczeke: newtekie1: Every police office is corrupt, they all have quotas to meet and they all hassle people to make those quotas. They all make up charges. They could be spending their time actually fighting crime, but none of them do. They would rather hassle people in parking lots, or show up to work drunk, drive around in their cruizers drunk, and then pull over other people and arrest them for being drunk.

"OMG, I just painted the entire world with one stroke!"

I have never had any problems with police officers and have found them to be pretty friendly. But somehow, somehow, I resist thinking that all police everywhere must be pretty nice guys.

This thread is full of either "COPS ARE GREAT!!!" and "COPS ARE EVIL!!!" morans when, like every other profession, some are corrupt douchebags and others are regular, nice dudes.


There aren't any good cops.

If there were any good cops, they would out the bad cops, so as to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to everyone that they are the good guys, by protecting the bad cops, they have proven that they are just as corrupt as the bad cops are.

Would you be considered a "good guy" or a "bad guy" for protecting a known terrorist? Would you be a "good person" or a "bad person" if you saw a crime being committed and looked the other way? What about if your job was to stop crime? Not only are you looking the other way, you aren't doing your job.

Until the so-called "good cops" start ratting out the "bad cops" I feel just fine calling them all bad cops, because it is the truth.
 
2008-03-18 06:35:35 PM  
onecanshort:
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.


That's why I'm voting Beeblebrox in '08, and so should you!
 
2008-03-18 06:36:50 PM  
A$$man: mofomisfit: A$$man

It's not the money signs, it's the putting them in the word "ass" as if that was clever or funny.

Are you still on it MOFO? To assume A$$man means ASSman makes an ass of you and me. Stop making an ass of yourself.


That's some weapons grade FAIL right there.
 
2008-03-18 07:01:39 PM  
soupgoblin: jso2897: newtekie1: Every police office is corrupt, they all have quotas to meet and they all hassle people to make those quotas. They all make up charges. They could be spending their time actually fighting crime, but none of them do. They would rather hassle people in parking lots, or show up to work drunk, drive around in their cruizers drunk, and then pull over other people and arrest them for being drunk.

I think you are painting with an overly broad brush. I am pushing sixty now, and was a little wild when I was young, and have had dozens of contacts with the police - and I can only remember meeting three who I would put in a class with the officer in this incident. The vast majority that I have met have been pretty much ordinary schlubs like me, trying to earn a living. And I have also met a couple who occupy the opposite end of the spectrum from that crumb-bum. Leave us not generalize too much.


Sorry but what the police did 40 years ago and what the police are doing today are two completely different subjects.


I suppose that could be true. Naturally, now that I'm old, gray, and harmless, I don't have much contact with the police. You would think that with all that has happened in the last couple of decades, and with all the newfangled emphasis on professionalism in law enforcement, it would have gotten better, not worse. Of course, maybe that has something to do with it. When I was a kid, most cops were just working slobs who took the job because they needed a job and that was what they could do - guys from career cop families, or guys that came out of the service with no skills to speak of. Maybe the "dedicated professional" meme isn't such a good one. I have heard it said that the last person who should be a cop is somebody who really, really wants to be one.
Still, it's hard for me to discard a lifetime of experience regarding people - and that experience has repeatedly been that within ANY group of people, you will find the good, the bad, and, mostly, the mediocre.
 
2008-03-18 07:48:19 PM  
Cousin_Joe
Rights are one thing but blatant disrespect for authority only leads to criminal behavior.

I have not respected the president for a number of years... Somehow, this has not led me to a life of crime.

/"Authority" should not always and immediately equal "respect"
//Still, don't be a prick
 
2008-03-18 08:09:37 PM  
Cousin_Joe: Rights are one thing but blatant disrespect for authority only leads to criminal behavior.

Authority deserves no respect.
 
2008-03-18 09:33:36 PM  
Cop is a dooosh bagg and deserved to get fired.
 
2008-03-18 10:03:57 PM  
Unshavenhelga: logruszed:


Ok, so it's douchebag. Got it.

/it's not really trolling if it's a genuine observation.

With that haircut, I'd be bitter too. You're an ass, little petulant troll.


I'll bet you're the kind of guy who either told or can't wait to tell someone you "burned some guy about his haircut!" then go for a "hi-five". Nevermind that you side with the cops because you feel questioning their acts and being vigilant for abuses of the law while getting peer approval by doing god knows what in a cemetery and other private property.

Upholding the law = disrespect
Breaking the law and talking your way out of it = WINNAR!!11!1!!!
 
2008-03-18 10:09:25 PM  
bunner: johnny_vegas bunner: Did I?...

yes

Care to tighten that up for me, Lord Succint? Or do you just need ~n amount of baseless condescenscion per day?


if you notice your responses, I gave them all the consideration they deserved and as much thought went into it as went into yours. Any specific questions?
 
2008-03-18 10:49:14 PM  
Unshavenhelga: If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger

Cops are not there to protect people from danger. They are there to detain and bring in suspects for trial, or to hand out traffic violations. If your life is in danger chances are the situation will be resolved before a police officer arrives, good luck.
 
2008-03-18 11:58:51 PM  
logruszed:
Nevermind that you side with the cops because you feel questioning their acts and being vigilant for abuses of the law while getting peer approval by doing god knows what in a cemetery and other private property.

Upholding the law = disrespect
Breaking the law and talking your way out of it = WINNAR!!11!1!!!


See:
Unshavenhelga: saw the video, and he's an asshole. The cop was an asshole too. I've talked myself out to two arrests, just by not being an asshole to the cops. This guy could be repectful, but he's not.

That said, he's got the right to be an asshole, and the cops can't use their badge to bully him, which the cop in question did.



Slow reader, as well as shiatty haircut.

Seriously, you need to calm down and read before you troll and bail.
 
2008-03-19 12:00:03 AM  
Ecdysozoa: Cops are not there to protect people from danger. They are there to detain and bring in suspects for trial, or to hand out traffic violations. If your life is in danger chances are the situation will be resolved before a police officer arrives, good luck.

Point taken. Danger was the wrong word.
 
2008-03-19 12:15:53 AM  
truer words were never spoken Ecdysozoa

as i've always said to my friends and family:

unless *you* called them, the police are not there to *help* you.

remember that.
 
2008-03-19 12:20:40 AM  
Those backwoods Utah cops are the worst. Got screamed at for having tinted windows. Funny thing, I haven't been back.
 
2008-03-19 12:44:14 AM  
h to the 'ojo: yeah yeah yeah

Cop haters are so predictable

Rodney King was 16 years ago. In one city. Involving a hoodlum and few cops who tried to take the protection of the community beyond what is legal.

The next time you're in a hostage situation, I'll bet you are pissing your pants with happiness when the cops risk their lives to save your worthless ass


You know what happened when Rodney King got into court? The jury heard and saw the ENTIRE tape, not just the muted portion they showed on the news. But the whole tape where Rodney King was saying he was going to kill the officers, threatening them and actively resisting. I'm not saying that what those cops did was right at all, but there's a reason why King never won anything in criminal court and only won in civil court.

Anyone know what Rodney King is doin now? ....That's right, beating the piss out of his wife a few times, doin and selling lots of drugs, getting arrested time and time again, gettin shot, etc, etc, etc.

Think of a new champion for civil rights than Rodney King...please.
 
2008-03-19 01:28:03 AM  
I play hockey with a bunch of cops. Alright guys for the most respects, but definitely separate people into "cop vs. non-cop" in their worldview. I can respect that they have a job to do, but I'll take a ticket over groveling to get out of it any day of the week.

Know your rights.

/also would like a camera kit for my truck
 
2008-03-19 01:34:05 AM  
Barbecue Bob: I couldn't listen to the asshole cop for more that 2 min.
What a twatwaffle.

Who hires these assholes?


Bigger ones. That kind of rot comes from the top.
 
2008-03-19 01:51:11 AM  
Its amazing how many are completely willing to lie down and let "the wheels of justice" roll over them. Many are even posting in this thread.

Well, go ahead and get back to gnawing grass. The rest of us "punks" will be fighting for your freedom.

The United States was based on the core principles of questioning authority. Violently. Especially when that authority voilates the basic inalienable (that means inseperable) rights that all humans should enjoy. Especially the rights specifically laid out in the basic legal framework of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights!

What these officers are doing is in direct violation of the core principles for which they are endentured to protect. Targeting someone who "dares" to illuminate injustice perpetuated by authority sworn to protect such basic liberties is tantamount to treason.

These officers really need to be ashamed of themselves. They are no better than common criminals!

Those who conduct, condone, or otherwise accept such behavior have divorced themselves from any moral compass - fools who trade honor for tyranny! What shameful depravity of mankind that we have become should we ignore these principles or those who fight for them!

Never stop questioning authority. Its the only way to ensure the continuity of liberty.
 
2008-03-19 11:59:24 AM  
When I was in college, one of my roommates was mugged outside the off campus computer lab in a small local mall. Took his wallet, backpack. He called the police, filed a report. He got in his car, got 100' down the road....

.... and was immediately pulled over. By the officer who responded to his mugging report. The one who just took his report. He was given a ticket for driving without a license.

-------------------
Currently listening to Frank Marino & Mahogany Rush's Tales of the Unexpected
 
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