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(STLToday)   Man who taped infamous police encounter files federal civil rights violation case says he wasn't baiting police with the camera in his car, but that the police are thankful he had one because they still can't find their dashcam video   ( stltoday.com) divider line
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2008-03-18 09:40:11 AM  
Battle of the tools if you ask me.
 
2008-03-18 10:02:54 AM  
Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.
 
2008-03-18 10:06:12 AM  
Bullshiatter: Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.

This - just how many tickets does this guy get a week, and has he put his shiatty way he treats cops together with the shiatty way they treat him yet?
 
2008-03-18 10:09:40 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: Bullshiatter: Dude must get stopped a LOT to mount his own in-car camera. I bet he gets funny looks from dates.

This - just how many tickets does this guy get a week, and has he put his shiatty way he treats cops together with the shiatty way they treat him yet?


Haven't seen the video and don't know the story, but I've thought about installing a camera in my car several times. I never get pulled over driving my 05 Camry, but in the month I've owned my 2000 Grand Am, I've been pulled over three times. I never did anything illegal. Besides that, I recently was run off the road by a trucker (not for the first time) and the damaged fender and all the median crap stuck to the bottom of my car wasn't evidence enough for the cops to do anything about it.

Cameras are good for everyone. If you're being an ass, it proves it. If the cop is, it proves that too.
 
2008-03-18 10:10:42 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: shiatty way he treats cops together with the shiatty way they treat him yet

Demanding to know why he was stopped and asserting his Constitutional rights has something to do with being physically battered and threatened with fabricated charges? Spelling America with a "k," now, are we?
 
2008-03-18 10:16:19 AM  
kronicfeld: Spelling America with a "k," now, are we?

LOL - I knew as soon as I wrote that, someone would read it wrong.

Word travels FAST around a police station, and after the first or second encounter with this guy, I'm sure they were pulling him over if there was a little dirt covering his inspection sticker. I'm not saying it's right, but let's face it - treating a cop like less than a person to his face doesn't make you any friends.
 
2008-03-18 10:27:12 AM  
Paybacks are a mofo.
 
2008-03-18 10:28:04 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: I'm not saying it's right, but let's face it - treating a cop like less than a person to his face doesn't make you any friends.

Where are you reading that he did that?
 
2008-03-18 10:30:04 AM  
Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: in the month I've owned my 2000 Grand Am, I've been pulled over three times

Driving a penismobile gets you pulled over more often. One of my former housemates had a nice sportscar, and was frequently pulled for anything over 9 MPH over the limit on the highways. I usually don't get tagged until I edge the border of reckless, but drive a boring green Honda.

/edge which way? um....
 
2008-03-18 10:32:33 AM  
kronicfeld: Where are you reading that he did that?

I saw the video, and he's an asshole. The cop was an asshole too. I've talked myself out to two arrests, just by not being an asshole to the cops. This guy could be repectful, but he's not.

That said, he's got the right to be an asshole, and the cops can't use their badge to bully him, which the cop in question did.
 
2008-03-18 10:34:38 AM  
kronicfeld: Where are you reading that he did that?

How do you figure that an article linked by Fark suddenly has all the details laid out? Are you telling me this average white guy from near St. Louis got a world of shiat from a cop for no reason?
 
2008-03-18 10:36:55 AM  
ThatGuyGreg:
Word travels FAST around a police station, and after the first or second encounter with this guy, I'm sure they were pulling him over if there was a little dirt covering his inspection sticker. I'm not saying it's right, but let's face it - treating a cop like less than a person to his face doesn't make you any friends.


He posted a follow up vid on youtube showing exactly that. After the initial publicity, cruisers continually partrolled his house. When he approached them in his car, they drove off and made several random turns to try and throw him off like they weren't doing anything.

Was he baiting them? Meh, could have been. But there is no law against it. And if you know that a particular cop is a prick, why not videotape the encounter to show him boss and the courts what they are dealing with? Not every cop is a pig, but not every cop is a saint. If it helps cull the bad ones, I support it.

Personally, I've never had a bad experience with a cop and those who stopped me did so because I was doing something wrong. But there are some out there who are poorly trained and use the position to satitiate their egos- those need to go.
 
2008-03-18 10:38:53 AM  
Dude seriously WTF: Was he baiting them?

If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger.
 
2008-03-18 10:42:53 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: kronicfeld: Where are you reading that he did that?

How do you figure that an article linked by Fark suddenly has all the details laid out? Are you telling me this average white guy from near St. Louis got a world of shiat from a cop for no reason?


The article may not have all the detail, but the video linked has it all.

And yes, that average white kid from St. Louis got a world of shiat from a cop for no reason other than the guy asked a few questions and quoted his rights since the cop just started questioning him for no reason whatsoever.

So maybe he's guilty of a 317, but that's about it.
 
2008-03-18 10:45:06 AM  
In my experience, people with cameras usually find what they're looking for.
 
2008-03-18 10:45:58 AM  
Dude seriously WTF: Personally, I've never had a bad experience with a cop and those who stopped me did so because I was doing something wrong. But there are some out there who are poorly trained and use the position to satitiate their egos- those need to go.

"To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem."
 
2008-03-18 10:47:37 AM  
2wolves:

Paybacks are a mofo.

MO. popo foe.
 
2008-03-18 10:47:37 AM  
Wow, buncha cop fellators at thread top. Hope you guys are firends with everyone on the force, since you seem to be cool witht hem "inventing reasons to arrest" people.
 
2008-03-18 10:48:34 AM  
Unshavenhelga: Dude seriously WTF: Was he baiting them?

If he's baiting them, and I don't know that he is, he's endangering others by drawing the cops away from the real danger.


I don't think there is an endangerment issue, and if there is, it is only because the cop in question is more focused on 'showing that punk who's the boss' and playing a bully. If a serious call was neglected because of it? Solely on the shoulders of the LEO. He knows to break off routine traffic stops to answer priotity calls. To do otherwise only makes his position worse.

Remember, it is not two kids arguing over a toy when both sides carry an equal burden to behave. It is the issue of a LEO acting in a proffessional manner while on duty. Break the law? Issue citation. Goofball trying to be a dumbass? Ignore it or write the summons. The cops' job is not to teach lessons, provide his views, or 'straighten the kid out'. The court decides the merits of the case and determines how to punish if warranted.
 
2008-03-18 10:49:25 AM  
/snicker
 
2008-03-18 10:49:33 AM  
TTUWV

Is this the one where the guy parks in a 'trouble area with lots of suicides' at night and is hassled by a cop for being there? The guy definitely didnt suck up to the cop and instead talked to him like he was some random asshole bothering him (which he was really).
 
2008-03-18 10:50:10 AM  
question: where do you find a camera designed for in-car installation and how much do they cost?
 
2008-03-18 10:50:19 AM  
If I remember correctly from the original story, didn't the cop in question get fired because he didn't have the cruiser cam on, rather than treating this kid like crap?
 
2008-03-18 10:50:28 AM  
onecanshort:

Yup. Pretty much.
 
2008-03-18 10:52:02 AM  
SlothB77: question: where do you find a camera designed for in-car installation and how much do they cost?

This guy used the payoff from another suit to pay for it, I think
 
2008-03-18 10:52:15 AM  
kronicfeld: Spelling America with a "k," now, are we?

SPOON

/The Tick rules
//never seen the video, cant find it on youtube.
///Who cares, really? We're all gonna sit here and argue about who's right and wrong. Let the court decide, cause thats all that counts in the end of it.
 
2008-03-18 10:52:27 AM  
I'd like to know the whole story behind anyone who says they get pulled over on a regular basis by cops.

I've got 25 years of driving under my belt and I've driven a myriad of supposed "cop magnets" over that time; modified cars to factory original sports cars. I've never been randomly stopped by cops and that's saying a lot. There was a time in my late teens and early twenties when I'd have stopped me.
 
2008-03-18 10:52:46 AM  
Go watch the video. The police in that particular town outside St. Louis were notorious for outrageous behavior, and the guy sounded the alarm.

Once you see what this cop did, you'll be happy this American citizen stood up and challenged his local authority figures. Someone had to.
 
2008-03-18 10:53:20 AM  
yeah yeah yeah

Cop haters are so predictable

Rodney King was 16 years ago. In one city. Involving a hoodlum and few cops who tried to take the protection of the community beyond what is legal.

The next time you're in a hostage situation, I'll bet you are pissing your pants with happiness when the cops risk their lives to save your worthless ass
 
2008-03-18 10:53:40 AM  
The part in the video where the cop threatens to impound the kids car and have his coworkers 'lose the evidence' is particularly insidious.

I'm surprised none of the article mentioned the 2nd video recorded encounter of the police circling his house & then pulling him over as soon as he gets on the road.
 
2008-03-18 10:53:45 AM  
the4thworld: If I remember correctly from the original story, didn't the cop in question get fired because he didn't have the cruiser cam on, rather than treating this kid like crap?

Here's how the real world works. That cop got fired for bringing unwanted attention from the public to the force. What he got fired for on paper, well, that would be written down as something different.

I seriously doubt it was considered for that cop to be fired for anything he said.. no, I think he was fired because of media scrutiny for waht he said.

I had a cop be rude to me for no reason one time. I made a complaint with his station, and I'm sure he's still employed. Had I had a camera, and put it on YouTube, the situation might be different.
 
2008-03-18 10:54:44 AM  
In case you haven't seen it, here's the video (new window) of the encounter.
 
2008-03-18 10:54:57 AM  
Dude seriously WTF:

Was he baiting them?

I hear he's a master baiter.
 
2008-03-18 10:55:28 AM  
What, no HERO tag? This guy rules.

/Loves cops.
//Hates dirty ones
 
2008-03-18 10:56:23 AM  
Geez. The cop got fired. He got a bad cop off the streets. Is that not enough of a reward? Now some dirtbag lawyer has approached and here with go with the "sue everyone you can for as much as you can" mentality that is rampant in America these days. How sad.
 
2008-03-18 10:58:05 AM  
bline21: Geez. The cop got fired. He got a bad cop off the streets. Is that not enough of a reward? Now some dirtbag lawyer has approached and here with go with the "sue everyone you can for as much as you can" mentality that is rampant in America these days. How sad.

He's being harassed by the police force in his town for "getting the cop fired".. there have been other articles for this followup.
 
2008-03-18 10:58:06 AM  
And I'm a "cop magnet".

I've got 15 years of driving under my belt, and there was a point for about 6 years, where I got pulled over at least once a month or more. I drove boring sedans, SLOWLY, and never had a single citation (out of 30+ people) given to me once that stuck. That's right, I took the cops to basic traffic court and each time the judge threw out the bullshiat speeding, lane change, etc. tickets.

Why?

Because I subpoenaed the dash-mount cams, each time.

/I'm not a hot rodder.
//I'm not a punk kid with a "look" that says trouble.
 
2008-03-18 10:58:21 AM  
So this is where all the cops hang out? You all must be cops to have that much faith in them.

I have seen good and bad cops. Unfortunately it seems the bad outweigh the good.

The system keeps itself in a job by keeping people in jail/court. Know your rights, it could save you from an overzealous cop railroading you someday.
 
2008-03-18 10:58:27 AM  
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h to the 'ojo 2008-03-18 10:53:20 AM
yeah yeah yeah

Cop haters are so predictable

Rodney King was 16 years ago. In one city. Involving a hoodlum and few cops who tried to take the protection of the community beyond what is legal.
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If you saw the footage of the whole thing beyond the 3 second loop the media played, you'd have beat his ass also if you were there.
 
2008-03-18 10:59:57 AM  
Cerebral Ballsy: He's being harassed by the police force in his town for "getting the cop fired".. there have been other articles for this followup.

For some reason I read that as "police farce".....
 
2008-03-18 11:00:24 AM  
It's not cop hating.

It's individuals who break the law while wearing a badge hating.

/cops are cool.
//not all people are cool.
///thus, not every cop can be cool.
 
2008-03-18 11:00:27 AM  
When I was young, I WISH I could have installed a video camera in my car. I used to get pulled over a minimum of 5 times a week. At all times of day. Then I would have my car searched.

All of this was because my brother was fairly well known as a bad dude. So, they messed with me constantly.

So, I know where this dude is coming from. After a while it really does become clear that your rights are being violated.

So, I support him in his fight. Although, he shouldn't be such a pussy that he needs the ACLU to stand up for him. He should just do it on his own, if he's that serious.
 
2008-03-18 11:00:37 AM  
h to the 'ojo

Yeah, sure, I'll remember that the next time I'm held hostage.

/IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP HOLDING ME HOSTAGE!
 
2008-03-18 11:01:07 AM  
From what I heard, he was baiting them. Reason being, that people in his shiatty town get pulled over after 3 am for simply driving, with chronic abuse by the police.
 
2008-03-18 11:01:26 AM  
SpacePunk: -------------------
h to the 'ojo 2008-03-18 10:53:20 AM
yeah yeah yeah

Cop haters are so predictable

Rodney King was 16 years ago. In one city. Involving a hoodlum and few cops who tried to take the protection of the community beyond what is legal.
------------------

If you saw the footage of the whole thing beyond the 3 second loop the media played, you'd have beat his ass also if you were there.


Rodney King was a crack addict with a history of being arrested and let go.. cops would bust for burglary and then they'd see him out and about a week later. That's why they beat him, because he was a crack addicted f*ckup, and they were jarnecked assholes "teaching him a lesson".

We've got to expect more from our police.
 
2008-03-18 11:02:12 AM  
The part in the video where the cop threatens to impound the kids car and have his coworkers 'lose the evidence' is particularly insidious.

Yeh, I could really care less if the kid is an ahole or a fine person. The cop clearly stated he would make up charges to teach him a lesson, "lose evidence" and make his life hell.
 
2008-03-18 11:02:24 AM  
 
2008-03-18 11:02:27 AM  
fatal_exception: Dude seriously WTF:

Was he baiting them?

I hear he's a master baiter.


winnar!
 
2008-03-18 11:02:46 AM  
lol, that video is lol.

calls him young boy, thats lolarious.

My experience compared to your young ass!
Come on boy, give me some more lip!
Shawn who!? YOU MEAN MY BEST FRIEND?!?!?!?!?!

what a joke.
This dude's a joke.
 
2008-03-18 11:02:51 AM  
fatal_exception: Dude seriously WTF:

Was he baiting them?

I hear he's a master baiter.


Go away, baitin.
 
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