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(My Fox DC)   D.C.'s 32-year-old handgun ban has worked so well that the Supreme Court is considering allowing guns back into the District as a reward to the people   (myfoxdc.com ) divider line
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2008-03-18 06:32:54 AM  
I'm really dreading this decision. No matter what happens people are gonna be pissed.
 
2008-03-18 06:38:10 AM  
YEEEEHAW!

*fires gun in the air* ;)
 
2008-03-18 06:39:44 AM  
SpinStopper: YEEEEHAW!

*fires gun in the air*


OOOOH Poncho!
 
2008-03-18 07:04:00 AM  
log_jammin: I'm really dreading this decision. No matter what happens people are gonna be pissed.

Hopefully, it will be the gun grabbing idiot sheeple.
 
2008-03-18 07:12:23 AM  
Does anyone know when they will actually rule?
 
2008-03-18 07:21:55 AM  
This june or july i think.
 
2008-03-18 07:24:08 AM  
GaryPDX: Does anyone know when they will actually rule?

I don't think that's even scheduled yet, but I could be wrong. I think this is just getting started.
 
2008-03-18 07:28:03 AM  
EatHam: GaryPDX: Does anyone know when they will actually rule?

I don't think that's even scheduled yet, but I could be wrong. I think this is just getting started.


Boy would I like to be a fly on that chambers wall. I hope we at least get to see the oral arguments right away.
 
2008-03-18 07:30:47 AM  
GaryPDX: Boy would I like to be a fly on that chambers wall.

I'm fairly sure that this will be well-publicized. Anyone can go watch arguments, so I would be astounded if there weren't transcripts available in near real time.
 
2008-03-18 07:34:28 AM  
EatHam: GaryPDX: Boy would I like to be a fly on that chambers wall.

I'm fairly sure that this will be well-publicized. Anyone can go watch arguments, so I would be astounded if there weren't transcripts available in near real time.


As a member of the NRA, they have a pretty good tap on it..lol. I get their spam all the time. One spam I rather enjoy getting..:) What is a little eerie is generally, people don't seem to be paying attention.
 
2008-03-18 07:48:06 AM  
My prediction : In the end, the Supreme Court will rule 5-4 against the gun ban in DC, but will allow the city to have "reasonable" restrictions or some other cop-out. The decision won't apply to the rest of the country.
 
2008-03-18 08:17:06 AM  
Either ban them all, or don't.

This "partial" crap never works.
 
2008-03-18 08:18:25 AM  
Rulings aren't scheduled; the hearing, if I recall correctly, is today.

The rulings for this sessions hearings will most likely be published in June or so, at the close of the session.
 
2008-03-18 08:26:17 AM  
America and guns always amuses me
 
2008-03-18 08:30:29 AM  
log_jammin: No matter what happens people are gonna be pissed people.

FTFY, HTH, HAND.

/just 'cause it works don't make it legal
 
2008-03-18 08:32:29 AM  
malcy: America and guns always amuses me

Yeah, but I find it a bit weird. Even the idea of a "National Rifle Association" is a bit strange to me.
 
2008-03-18 08:38:02 AM  
Glasgowsfinest: malcy: America and guns always amuses me

Yeah, but I find it a bit weird. Even the idea of a "National Rifle Association" is a bit strange to me.


Oh man. They are sooooooo FUN!
 
2008-03-18 08:52:16 AM  
Glasgowsfinest: malcy: America and guns always amuses me

Yeah, but I find it a bit weird. Even the idea of a "National Rifle Association" is a bit strange to me.


Concepts like the American perspective on guns (I'm an American, btw) cannot be understood in isolation from the history involved: the role guns and non-professional militia played in our revolution (and thus our Cultural Myth) cannot be overstated. For Americans in the post-colonial period, guns were talismans that kept the King of England out of our bedrooms. Slowly their purpose changed - after all, no Founding Father could have predicted the Gattling Gun (or even Mitrailleuse) much less the advent of personal automatic rifles. Like all symbols, many Americans now mistake the symbol for the meaning itself (a similar shift has occurred with the American flag).

I admit being unsure why the French don't have a similar love of guns, given their bloody revolution, but perhaps The Terror tempered their love of violence. Similarly, the damage wrought on most European nations in WWI and WWII removed some of the romanticism of guns.

Australia and Canada - nations who won their independence through bloodless votes - are obviously coming from entirely different philosophical standpoints (and carrying their parent-nation's lack of love for guns).

We must always remember that our love of something today was borne out of the simple desire or use of something yesterday; the gun-lust that pervades much of American culture is not just about firepower.
 
2008-03-18 08:55:37 AM  
Glasgowsfinest: malcy: America and guns always amuses me

Yeah, but I find it a bit weird. Even the idea of a "National Rifle Association" is a bit strange to me.


It's a lobby group, mostly. That's the part of the NRA I dislike.

They also help manage a lot of state's firearm safety programs that would otherwise not exist.

The NRA folks here host a lot of competitions. I hosted one of these last year. An 18 year-old woman took a trophy for a rapid multi-target sidearm course and that, coupled with her scholastic achievements, helped her get a full scholarship. She's studying forensics and intends to pursue federal law enforcement.

The NRA is "bad" to people who haven't got a clue what it's about. I suppose it's all part of the "people don't kill people; guns do" mentality.
 
2008-03-18 09:00:39 AM  
Giblet: Glasgowsfinest: malcy: America and guns always amuses me

Yeah, but I find it a bit weird. Even the idea of a "National Rifle Association" is a bit strange to me.

It's a lobby group, mostly. That's the part of the NRA I dislike.

They also help manage a lot of state's firearm safety programs that would otherwise not exist.

The NRA folks here host a lot of competitions. I hosted one of these last year. An 18 year-old woman took a trophy for a rapid multi-target sidearm course and that, coupled with her scholastic achievements, helped her get a full scholarship. She's studying forensics and intends to pursue federal law enforcement.

The NRA is "bad" to people who haven't got a clue what it's about. I suppose it's all part of the "people don't kill people; guns do" mentality.


Having once been a member (I lapsed when I lived in D.C. for four years), I think the dislike people have of the NRA is even simpler than you're suggesting: a lot of Americans believe the only people with guns are rednecks and criminals. It's not about the NRA, but rather their assumptions about the kind of person who would affiliate with gun-nuts.

/Eagle Scout, including my Marksmanship merit badge
//Loved shooting those rifles/shotguns
///Hoping the D.C. ban will be lifted
////too many slashes?
 
2008-03-18 09:03:43 AM  
Firearms should be distributed to the homeless, with as much rotgut vodka as they can carry.
 
2008-03-18 09:37:12 AM  
Glasgowsfinest: malcy: America and guns always amuses me

Yeah, but I find it a bit weird. Even the idea of a "National Rifle Association" is a bit strange to me.


It's because the ACLU doesn't cover the Second Amendment.
 
2008-03-18 09:51:29 AM  
the Supreme Court is considering allowing guns back into the District as a reward to the people

Thank you for giving back a constitutionally protected right to the citizens.
 
2008-03-18 10:09:32 AM  
This should be good

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2008-03-18 10:10:07 AM  
www.gearsandwidgets.com
 
2008-03-18 10:10:50 AM  
And lets not forget teh last armed revolt against the Government...

In 1946. Over voting issues. Check out "The Battle of Athens Tenn"
 
2008-03-18 10:11:35 AM  
BOO Gun thread!

HOORAY BEER
 
2008-03-18 10:12:08 AM  
Could it come down to a technicality like 'DC isn't a state, so normal rules don't apply' or something?
 
2008-03-18 10:12:19 AM  
Just wanted to point out that the picture Fox used to illustrate the story was just a photo of someone's sign that says "GUNS ARE WHY WE ARE STILL FREE." Pretty classy.
 
2008-03-18 10:12:46 AM  
Something about if guns are outlawed then only outlaws have guns...

People get mugged in DC all the time.... why? Because muggers know that victims are UNARMED!

There aren't too many armed robberies in Texas from what I hear.
 
2008-03-18 10:12:46 AM  
I am eager for them to strike this ban down so I can start mowing down people who take up two seats on the metro.
 
2008-03-18 10:12:51 AM  
Nestea Plunge: Firearms should be distributed to the homeless, with as much rotgut vodka as they can carry.

Those guns would be back in the hands of the rich in 48 hours anyway.
 
2008-03-18 10:12:54 AM  
I think I'm required to post in gun threads but I don't have time today. So here it is.
 
2008-03-18 10:13:25 AM  
Ban hand guns and give us all swords.

Want to kill me? Get closer, prick.
 
2008-03-18 10:13:39 AM  
Isn't the Constitution supposed to apply in DC or is it exempt from the Constitution because it isn't a state?
 
OZZ
2008-03-18 10:13:52 AM  
If owning guns was good enough for Jesus then its good enough for me.
 
2008-03-18 10:13:57 AM  
I really love the concept of banning guns. No criminal would ever get a gun illegally. Of course, majority of criminals get their guns illegally.
 
2008-03-18 10:14:27 AM  
the Secret Service is gonna loooove this.
 
2008-03-18 10:14:28 AM  
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2008-03-18 10:15:10 AM  
TheKnownUniverse: I am eager for them to strike this ban down so I can start mowing down people who take up two seats on the metro

I will tell you now that people who stand to the left on the metro escalators will be shot.
 
2008-03-18 10:15:30 AM  
Yay gun thread! Can I post pics of mine yet?
 
2008-03-18 10:15:54 AM  
Cerwin3302: Something about if guns are outlawed then only outlaws have guns...

People get mugged in DC all the time.... why? Because muggers know that victims are UNARMED!

There aren't too many armed robberies in Texas from what I hear.


Ahahah
 
2008-03-18 10:16:26 AM  
mattharvest: a lot of Americans believe the only people with guns are rednecks and criminals. It's not about the NRA, but rather their assumptions about the kind of person who would affiliate with gun-nuts.

Agreed. Its like everything else in this country's politics... its easier to believe your opponent is morally or intellectually inferior than it is to believe they've thought through their viewpoint and come to a conclusion that is both logically and morally satisfying to them.
 
2008-03-18 10:17:00 AM  
vernonFL: Could it come down to a technicality like 'DC isn't a state, so normal rules don't apply' or something?

Even if that were a legally sound argument - and while IANAL, I think it's full of holes big enough you could drive a death star through - it would be setting a stupidly dangerous precedent for the DC legal system.
 
2008-03-18 10:17:07 AM  
There was a great piece on NPR this morning highlighting the fact that the "right to bear arms" is clearly put in the context of maintaining a militia. Gun control is built into the bill of rights. It's a collective right (a militia is NOT an individual). And that's how courts have for the most part (correctly) interpreted the 2nd amendment. And that's how it will be interpreted again. It's amazing how many 2nd amendment issues can be solved WHEN YOU ACTUALLY READ THE FARKING THING.
 
2008-03-18 10:17:20 AM  
Because if you say an area is a "Gun Free Zone", in DC's case "Handgun Free" then OF COURSE bad guy's won't bring any guns to it, EVERYBODY knows that!

/Live near DC
//6 months ago we had 6 murders in 6 days, all by handguns
///Don't think it matters if they are banned or not, folks still gonna die.
 
2008-03-18 10:18:32 AM  
Cerwin3302

There aren't too many armed robberies in Texas from what I hear.

I can't be bothered to spend time finding official statistics, or specific ones for armed robbery, but the first page of stats I've found says there were 121,378 "violent" crimes in Texas in 2006. That's quite a few.
 
2008-03-18 10:19:04 AM  
vernonFL: I will tell you now that people who stand to the left on the metro escalators will be shot.

That kind of punishment would be too kind for them. Are nuclear enemas protected by the constitution?
 
2008-03-18 10:19:18 AM  
Sammy Jenkins: There was a great piece on NPR this morning highlighting the fact that the "right to bear arms" is clearly put in the context of maintaining a militia. Gun control is built into the bill of rights. It's a collective right (a militia is NOT an individual). And that's how courts have for the most part (correctly) interpreted the 2nd amendment. And that's how it will be interpreted again. It's amazing how many 2nd amendment issues can be solved WHEN YOU ACTUALLY READ THE FARKING THING.

I listened to that story, and you are misrepresenting it. People can listen themselves here (new window).
 
2008-03-18 10:19:35 AM  
I really can't see the point of gun control in a limited geographic area with no border controls. So you really have three options:

1) Ban guns (or types of guns) across the country and maintain border controls to limit the flow into the country
2) Ban guns in the area in question, but also put up border controls around that area (seems very unlikely to succeed)
3) Don't ban guns (or types of guns) anywhere in the country

The sort of piecemeal approach in the US seems completely pointless. Gun ownership should basically be a federal decision - and with the current situation, I can't see a ban being reasonable, despite preferring personally that I live in a country with very limited gun ownership.
 
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