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(Independent)   Man who invented the Eliza computer program dies. WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE DIES? I mean he's no longer living. CAN YOU THINK OF A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE?   (independent.co.uk) divider line 57
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2008-03-17 08:26:30 PM  
I just looked deep into myself, and a wee Chicken that ran a BBS laughed his pimply little ass off at the headline.
 
2008-03-17 08:30:50 PM  
Arise Chicken: I just looked deep into myself, and a wee Chicken that ran a BBS laughed his pimply little ass off at the headline.

Yeah. That's a win! +1 from me, subby.
 
2008-03-17 08:49:57 PM  
BUT HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL?
 
2008-03-17 09:16:24 PM  
Gavino: Yeah. That's a win! +1 from me, subby.

Thanks, but it's going to go right over the head of the young 'uns.
 
2008-03-17 09:29:09 PM  
I used to have the source code to that program for a Xerox Sigma 9 mainframe on punch cards. We had a model with a whopping 2 MB core and a pair of 128kb swap drives.

/hawt
//you are likely to fall into a pit
 
2008-03-17 09:38:14 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: //you are likely to fall into a pit

or eaten by a Grue.


For the young ones
 
2008-03-17 09:44:36 PM  
As someone who has made a few bots, I must ask....

how the hell did Eliza ever fool anyone?
 
2008-03-17 09:48:23 PM  
Eliza?
i227.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-17 09:51:36 PM  
Back in junior high (very early 80's), I hacked the school's version of ELIZA and changed some of the responses. A few days later the computer was gone and when I asked where it was, they said it was out for repairs.
 
2008-03-17 10:19:40 PM  
le mew:
As someone who has made a few bots, I must ask....
how the hell did Eliza ever fool anyone?


I remember a really old FARK link about someone using Eliza on AOL chat and seeing how long people stay on the chat.
 
2008-03-17 10:23:24 PM  
>> Hello.
How do you do. Please state your problem.
>> Professor Joseph Weizenbaum, your creator, is dead.
Why are you concerned over my creator ?
>> I wanted to get your reaction for fark.com.
You say you wanted to get my reaction for fark ?
>> That is correct.
I'm not sure I understand you fully.
>> he's dead.
Please go on.
>> 'E's passed on! This professor is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff!
Are you saying no just to be negative?
>> Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the podium 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory!
Do you think its likely that I hadn't nailed 'im to the podium 'e'd be pushing up the daisies ?
>> 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!
What does that suggest to you ?
>> THIS IS AN EX-PROFESSOR!
Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
>> D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place?
Your place ?
>> Yeah, all right, sure.
 
2008-03-17 10:36:15 PM  
Do we have a comment from `enry `iggins?
 
2008-03-17 11:29:28 PM  
What do you mean by repeat?
 
2008-03-17 11:31:55 PM  
Most awesome headline ever. I made a LOL.
 
2008-03-17 11:33:41 PM  
Is there a mac version free somewhere or a web page running this in java that I can use to show my kids how this used to work?
 
2008-03-17 11:39:13 PM  
Any Pie Left: Is there a mac version free somewhere or a web page running this in java that I can use to show my kids how this used to work?

Here's a Javascript version I found via Wikipedia:

http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3
 
2008-03-17 11:40:08 PM  
Oh, man...this makes me feel really, really old. Takes me back to the old Apple IIc days.
 
2008-03-17 11:47:38 PM  
le mew: As someone who has made a few bots, I must ask....

how the hell did Eliza ever fool anyone?


I urge you to read the typical comments on a Fark politics thread and then revisit this question.
 
2008-03-17 11:56:37 PM  
alonzinator
uh... I think I got my beam crossed with someone else. This was after I submitted something like "Yes, I am sure."

"
You: I WANT KILE YOU

Eliza: Do you wish to want kile me?
"
 
2008-03-18 12:22:38 AM  
SharkTrager: I urge you to read the typical comments on a Fark politics thread and then revisit this question.

Or read the comments on YouTube
 
2008-03-18 12:24:03 AM  
> Say, do you have any psychological problems?
* I like to kill kittens.
> I'm not sure I understand you fully.
* You know, kittens. I kill them.
> We were discussing you, not me.
* Are you a kitten?
> Why are you interested in whether or not I am a kitten?
* Because I kill kittens.
> That is quite interesting.
* So, are you a kitten?
> Would you prefer if I were not a kitten?
* Actually, I would prefer if you were a kitten.
> Oh... was a kitten?
* No, were a kitten.
> Are you saying no just to be negative?
* Not really, I was just answering your question.
> Tell me more...
* What, you want details?

It all went downhill from there.
 
2008-03-18 12:29:49 AM  
mistahtom: FTA: Joseph Weizenbaum was born in Berlin in 1923 to Jechiel Weizenbaum, a furrier, and his wife Henrietta

He was into furries?


only for their pelts...
 
2008-03-18 12:31:32 AM  
mistahtom: FTA: Joseph Weizenbaum was born in Berlin in 1923 to Jechiel Weizenbaum, a furrier, and his wife Henrietta

He was into furries?


WHAT IS A FURRIES?
 
2008-03-18 12:44:31 AM  
rustik: I LOL'd.
 
2008-03-18 12:45:35 AM  
You: where is the poop factory?
Eliza: Please go on.
You: I can't see it in your nostril.
Eliza: Have you tried?
You: Yes, many times
Eliza: You are sure?
You: yes you farking idiot.
Eliza: You are sure?
You: oh my farking god i will kill you
Eliza: Why do you say your farking god you will kill i?
 
2008-03-18 12:46:41 AM  
I don't know why, but I think this thing is hilarious. It's kinda like a madlib. I'm using this one, and if you let it sit idle it starts to get mad. I forgot I had the tab open still, and couldn't resist giving it one more go.

> *** Are We going to Chat? ***
> I can't help you without a dialog!
* Take your dialog and shove it up your ass.
> What about your own dialog and shove it up my ass?
* Wow. That's kinky.
> What does that suggest to you?
* It suggests that you're one kinky gal.
> Perhaps you would like to be one kinky gal?
* I, umm.. I've never really thought about it before.
> I'm not sure I understand you fully.
* I'm not sure I understand YOU fully...
> Did you come to me because you are not sure you understand me fully?
* Yes, let's get together and "understand" each other.
> Are you Sure?
* Hell yes.
> I see.
* Your place or mine?
> Why are you concerned about my place or your's?
* I just want to know where to meet.
> What is it that you really want to know?
* Umm.. Do you do anal?

And again, things went downhill from there.
 
2008-03-18 12:51:53 AM  
HELLO I'M SAINT GEORGE
HELLO
WHAT IS YOUR NAME?
MARTHA.
YOU DON'T SAY MUCH MARTHA.
NO.
BUT I LIKE YOU
WHY I DON'T LIKE YOU.
I UNDERSTAND THAT HOW CAN I HELP?
HELP?
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO HELP YOU.
HAVE A CAT.


/Time from obscure to obvious starts... now.
 
2008-03-18 12:54:49 AM  
Damn Furry(iers) I know ArgentCorvid beat me to it

Kinda funny TFA said due to the reacation from the public he decided he was against AI, not to many people are against it who arnt old coots.

RIP computer dude
 
2008-03-18 01:06:33 AM  
alonzinator: Marcus Aurelius: //you are likely to fall into a pit

or eaten by a Grue.


For the young ones


Heh:

You: You are a dirty girl

Eliza: Does it please you to believe I am a dirty girl?


She's such a whore.
 
2008-03-18 01:08:41 AM  
We called it Dr Sbaitso, but same thing.
 
2008-03-18 01:11:35 AM  
lelio: mistahtom: FTA: Joseph Weizenbaum was born in Berlin in 1923 to Jechiel Weizenbaum, a furrier, and his wife Henrietta

He was into furries?

WHAT IS A FURRIES?


CAN YOU THINK OF A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE?

/leaves thread forever, afraid of the reply
 
2008-03-18 01:22:41 AM  
Phil Moskowitz: We called it Dr Sbaitso, but same thing.

I think that was the one Sound Blaster included with their sound cards. Same thing, but it had audio.
 
2008-03-18 01:44:46 AM  
Not only was there Eliza, but also Dr. Z, from which Eliza developed.

www.atariarchives.org

/links and image pop
 
2008-03-18 02:25:13 AM  
carmody: Oh, man...this makes me feel really, really old. Takes me back to the old Apple IIc days.

Jesus, you just made me feel even older. Apple ][ forever.
 
2008-03-18 03:38:56 AM  
Fight no more, forever
 
2008-03-18 04:38:35 AM  
alonzinator: Marcus Aurelius: //you are likely to fall into a pit

or eaten by a Grue.


For the young ones


I've noticed that one does some weird things.

You'll say one thing, it'll attribute something else entirely, and ELIZA will respond to what you DIDN'T say, not to what you DID.

Totally 1984.
 
2008-03-18 04:49:10 AM  
Purity Of Essence

Jesus, you just made me feel even older. Apple ][ forever.

Our school had teletypes with acoustic-couple modems to Lawrence Hall of Science. I used to play Eliza a bit. This was in '75 or '76.

Somewhere I still have the paper tape from my first BASIC program.

/xyzzy
 
2008-03-18 05:31:33 AM  
emacs -f psychoanalyze-pinhead

Then control-g wildly :)
 
2008-03-18 07:16:58 AM  
Memories... I always asked Eliza to do sexy things but she didn't catch on to my intentions. Dumb broad.
 
2008-03-18 07:58:01 AM  
Anagrammer: Not only was there Eliza, but also Dr. Z, from which Eliza developed.



/links and image pop


I used to have both volumes of that book. I wish I knew where they were now, there were some pretty cool games (if you like text games).


My favorite was this one:

Super Star Trek.

Spent a bunch of time typing that in and debugging on a Tandy Color Computer back when I was a young'un. Took a while to load from a cassette tape, if I remember correctly.

/Get off my lawn.
 
2008-03-18 08:03:35 AM  
betona: Memories... I always asked Eliza to do sexy things but she didn't catch on to my intentions. Dumb broad.


So, she passed the Turing test?
 
2008-03-18 08:04:25 AM  
pat_colletti:

/xyzzy


/Nothing happens.
 
2008-03-18 08:11:34 AM  
alonzinator: Marcus Aurelius: //you are likely to fall into a pit

or eaten by a Grue.


For the young ones


Interestingly, I went to the link and did a little session
with Eliza (its the first link that comes up after a Google
search for Eliza).

At one point, it thought I'd asked her to perform fellatio on
me, when all I'd said was 'yes' in response to one of her
questions.

Now, if it was Eliza Dushku, we might talk....

RIP, funny man who figured out that 'intelligence' may well
be an illusion.....
 
2008-03-18 08:20:31 AM  
I feel juvinilish

*I farted
> Tell me more...
* It came out of my butt.
> Can you elaborate on that?
* It made a sound
> Can you elaborate on that?
* it went PBTPBTPBTPBT!
> What does that suggest to you?
* I farted.
> Tell me more...


...and on and on and on...
 
2008-03-18 08:22:20 AM  
ELIZA, the Next Gen could be created from the contents right here. Take user input, match it to a closely-related FARK thread, then formulate a question out of the contents of that thread or other similar threads.

/PhD candidates in CS, run that one by your advisor.
//Now if you'll excuse me, I also have to load a program on my CoCo with a tape recorder.
///My lawn, off it
 
2008-03-18 09:07:23 AM  
Ah, my favorite Trash-80 program. Rat Shack gave it away with some upgrade.
 
2008-03-18 09:14:28 AM  
R.I.P Weisenbaum.

Not sure why the article missed it, but Weisenbaum called the bot 'Eliza' bacause it 'do little'. It was an exercise in simulating human response using very simple algorithms. The idea was that by improving the algorithms, the response would become more and more realistic. It didn't quite work out that way.

I remember when I first implemented Eliza, or a variant thereof, on an English Electric KDF9.

Incidentally, there was a paranoid version called 'racter'.

I know all this stuff because I'm old.
 
2008-03-18 09:23:36 AM  
When I played with Eliza on my Amiga 500, it had text-to-speech. Whenever I think of Eliza responses, I hear that synthesized computer voice in my head...
 
2008-03-18 09:35:49 AM  
starsrift: When I played with Eliza on my Amiga 500, it had text-to-speech. Whenever I think of Eliza responses, I hear that synthesized computer voice in my head...

I had the "Dr. Sbaitso" with my Sound Blaster.

/Parity Warning...
 
2008-03-18 09:49:00 AM  
le mew: As someone who has made a few bots, I must ask....

how the hell did Eliza ever fool anyone?


I once made a robot that did nothing more than randomly change direction when it would run into an obstacle. People thought it was some sort of adaptive algorithm.

Your average Joe thinks "I don't understand it" = "Genius"

They are also entirely too predictable, and given the information content of some conversations with dumb people in the past, I really CAN see how a machine can step in and have a decent conversation.
 
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