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2008-03-17 03:16:03 PM  
superoogie: samimgreen:

So teh gheys outnumber the jews? let's not even get into teh ghey jews...

So, wait. If someone hates a gay Jew, is it antisemitism or homophobia?

/Antisemihomophobia


Or perhaps just "antisemenism".
 
2008-03-17 03:16:32 PM  
EsteeFlwrPot: SirGunslinger
Tatsuma: SirGunslinger: How about no to that... I'm a little rusty on my Torah study, but won't that herald the end-times?

Then again I could be mixing up Christian stuff and Torah. I do that once in a while.

A little bit of both, yes

Okay I gotta ask... is Estee your feminine side?

Why is it so hard to believe that I might actually share similar views and admire him and not actually be him? I am a girl! With boobies! I am not Tatsuma!


*pats Estee on the head*

I know; I was teasing. ;)
 
2008-03-17 03:16:34 PM  
Shakespeare's Monkey

It's only good if there are pictures of nice Jewish Boobies.

We can has more plz?


Israeli swimsuit model Bar Rafaeli:

GIS

Sports Illustrated gallery
 
2008-03-17 03:16:44 PM  
EsteeFlwrPot: you know they really arent that entertaining. they just sit there.

That's a lie, a filthy lie, like the one where people pretend that there was such a thing as Palestinians with national aspirations before the 1967 war and that it wasn't a ploy by the PLO and others in order to use that as a tactic in order to try and take over as much Israeli territory as possible!
 
2008-03-17 03:16:44 PM  
DerangedMuppet: amindtat: samimgreen
jethus_crised: TAIWAN!!!

TIBET!!!

Bjork???

pants


CHECHNYA!!!
 
2008-03-17 03:16:50 PM  
Tatsuma , c'mon, answer me this: IF the violence could be stopped as a result of said action, would you support the formation of a Palestinian state? Yes or no?
 
2008-03-17 03:16:54 PM  
djwebb1127: Aren't the jews known for having their own money?

Only by idiots.

djwebb1127: Quit using our tax money to attack people that then get angry and want to attack us!

That's a debate worth consideration, I suppose..

djwebb1127: Let's stop funding those evil Zionists and see what happens to them!

..Oh.
 
2008-03-17 03:17:14 PM  
Gregory F. Stuart: Yeah, but using a bunch of worn-out scriptures isn't exactly what I would call a reasonable standard for determining whether an area is a country.

I don't think anyone here is proposing to do that.
 
2008-03-17 03:17:31 PM  
Relatively Obscure: eff ewe: Oh, and getting this thread back off track, I offer the following Israeli hottie...

I accept your offer. Where can I pick her up?


[right click] save.

/all picked up
 
2008-03-17 03:17:53 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tatsuma , c'mon, answer me this: IF the violence could be stopped as a result of said action, would you support the formation of a Palestinian state? Yes or no?

IF it could be stopped and poskim ruled that it was acceptable per Halacha, absolutely.
 
2008-03-17 03:17:54 PM  
Degree Absolute: oilfieldtrash39565: Degree Absolute LETS HOPE HAMAS BLOWS THAT SMILE OFF HER FACE WITH A KATAYUSHA!!! THAT WILL TEACH HER TO OBEY HER PARENTS AND TO SMILE ALL THE TIME!!! I HATE SMILING. SMILING SUCKS!! CAPS LOCK RULES!!

Did someone forget their Ritalin today? Hmmm????

Sorry if it was unclear. I was mocking Sammy Jenkins, his hatred of smiles, and his boner for the caps lock.


Oh. My bad. Carry on then citizen.
 
2008-03-17 03:17:55 PM  
glaurunge:
Sorry douche bag, but territorial gain by conquest is prima facie illegitimate.


If that is the case, then the US illegally occupies Florida, most of the Southwest, Guantanamo Bay, etc. Or did your statement only apply to other countries?
 
2008-03-17 03:18:26 PM  
EsteeFlwrPot: Tatsuma
DerangedMuppet: seriously. if tats had boobies do you really think he'd be posting here instead of playing with them?

I know, if I had boobies, I'd go "Hey, I've got boobs!" then highfive myself all the time. I'd be too busy to Fark

you know they really arent that entertaining. they just sit there.

/go israel


I'd like a little more field testing to support this hypothesis
 
2008-03-17 03:18:42 PM  
Captain Darling:
Gregory F. Stuart: Yeah, but using a bunch of worn-out scriptures isn't exactly what I would call a reasonable standard for determining whether an area is a country.

I don't think anyone here is proposing to do that.


Don't be so sure. Certain parties certainly won't deny it.
 
2008-03-17 03:18:49 PM  
Bored Horde: bmasso: glaurunge: And don't forget to add that there was no ethnic cleansing in 1948, the Palestinians just decided to up and leave on their own.

So the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, back from vacationing in Berlin during most of WW II, DIDN"T order "The Faithful" to evacuate so that the combined Arab Armies could just kill everyone without worrying about killing the "wrong" people by mistake?

But even if they were ethnically cleansed it doesn't matter because some Jews might have been expelled from an Arab country.

Yahhh, if by "some" or "an" you actually mean "all" or "most".
Prior to the first Arab-Israeli War, there were large (for a minority) Jewish populations in all the surrounding countries. With the notable exception of Iran, those 2,000 year-old populations are no longer there. Where-as to this day there are Arab Muslims living in Israel.
In other words, your spin is fill of shiat - please refrain from splattering us with it's contents.

And since the Palestinians are Arabs too, any atrocities committed against them are thereby canceled out. This is basic logic folks!

In Deluded World, the same Israel which has repeatedly demonstrated it's martial prowess to be at least an order of magnitude greater than that of it's ARMED enemies has been trying to kill off largely unarmed Arabs for half a century but somehow has never actually accomplished the deed.

In Real World, here's such a dearth of actual atrocities that the PLO (etc) have to create fake ones to get PR traction. Unless you believe that in Real World "murdered" "martyrs" are apt to come back to life when their friends carrying the "corpse" in procession for the cameras keep dropping the "hero"?

"By their fruits will you know them".
Israel - Arabs are voting citizens and hold seats and elective offices in their government.
Israel's Arab neighbors - Juden Frei.

I've shoveled out barns with less bullshiat then this post contains.


If I got any facts wrong, please say which ones. Please.

Failing that covering your ears and yelling "La, la, la, la, la, I can't HEAR you!!!" is NOT a valid or convincing counter-argument. Just so you know.
 
2008-03-17 03:18:53 PM  
SanDamiano: If that is the case, then the US illegally occupies Florida, most of the Southwest, Guantanamo Bay, etc. Or did your statement only apply to other countries?

Let's not even start with the UK either

That argument really only works with Israel, people ignore the precendents that would create otherwise.
 
2008-03-17 03:19:35 PM  
samimgreen: I'd like a little more field testing to support this hypothesis

Seconded in the name of science.
 
2008-03-17 03:19:51 PM  
SanDamiano: glaurunge:
Sorry douche bag, but territorial gain by conquest is prima facie illegitimate.

If that is the case, then the US illegally occupies Florida, most of the Southwest, Guantanamo Bay, etc. Or did your statement only apply to other countries?


Didn't the US "steal" all of their land from Great Britain to begin with?
 
2008-03-17 03:20:03 PM  
Captain Darling: SanDamiano: Since the UN came about only 3 years before Israel, and countries as such existed long before the UN was around to recognize them, using the UN as the standard to judge whether a particular area is or is not a country is full of fail.

Words existed before dictionaries, but I still use the dictionary to define what's a word.


And yet dictionaries use how people use words in the real world in order to add to their list of words...

/what a good analogy
 
2008-03-17 03:20:31 PM  
djwebb1127: Israel is cool but America should stop funding them. Aren't the jews known for having their own money? Quit using our tax money to attack people that then get angry and want to attack us! Let's stop funding those evil Zionists and see what happens to them!

I like how this post went from "Israel is cool . . ." to "evil Zionists . . ."

Yeah I think I know how you really feel. And if I'm not mistaken, Israel has not attacked Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Iran, etc. and they a have a few qualms with us.

Jews have they own money yes, and a lot of american Jews donate to Israel. But Israel is a small country with a small economy compared to some relatively wealthier Arab neighbors. It's just not that cut and dry.
 
2008-03-17 03:20:49 PM  
Tatsuma: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tatsuma , c'mon, answer me this: IF the violence could be stopped as a result of said action, would you support the formation of a Palestinian state? Yes or no?

IF it could be stopped and poskim ruled that it was acceptable per Halacha, absolutely.


ie a loophole will be found so that the battle can continue
 
2008-03-17 03:20:57 PM  
Tatsuma :
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tatsuma , c'mon, answer me this: IF the violence could be stopped as a result of said action, would you support the formation of a Palestinian state? Yes or no?

IF it could be stopped and poskim ruled that it was acceptable per Halacha, absolutely.


So, as long as it was acceptable by religious law? So we're back to sky fairies dictating geopolitical policy, are we?
 
2008-03-17 03:21:08 PM  
lexnaturalis: Didn't the US "steal" all of their land from Great Britain to begin with?

Nope. We also stole from Natives, the French, the Spanish and the Mexicans.
 
2008-03-17 03:21:34 PM  
tweekster: ie a loophole will be found so that the battle can continue

No, there are many poskim who say it'd be acceptable already
 
2008-03-17 03:21:49 PM  
Tatsuma: tweekster: Who cares what the UN says?

Actually, most countries care about what the UN says when it comes to what is a country and what isn't

Ask Kosovo


Wait, wait, wait. So now the UN is an authoritative body? (poppa poppa.)
 
2008-03-17 03:21:58 PM  
Relatively Obscure: Nope. We also stole from Natives, the French, the Spanish and the Mexicans.

We weren't the US then, we were English. I was referencing the fact that we became the US through military "conquest."
 
2008-03-17 03:22:03 PM  
Captain Darling: [Gregory F. Stuart: Yeah, but using a bunch of worn-out scriptures isn't exactly what I would call a reasonable standard for determining whether an area is a country.]

I don't think anyone here is proposing to do that.


Well then, let me be the first.

/Boobies
 
2008-03-17 03:23:20 PM  
lexnaturalis: We weren't the US then, we were English. I was referencing the fact that we became the US through military "conquest."

So, er, wait..

But you used the term "the US." So.. the English stole their land from the English?

Anyway, yes we sort of did.
 
2008-03-17 03:23:26 PM  
kc987654: aptain Darling: SanDamiano: Since the UN came about only 3 years before Israel, and countries as such existed long before the UN was around to recognize them, using the UN as the standard to judge whether a particular area is or is not a country is full of fail.

Words existed before dictionaries, but I still use the dictionary to define what's a word.

And yet dictionaries use how people use words in the real world in order to add to their list of words...

/what a good analogy



In addition, not all words we use make it into the dictionary.

/run it into the ground!
 
2008-03-17 03:24:08 PM  
bmasso 2008-03-17 03:13:02 PM
Why isn't Gaza given back to Egypt and the West Bank given back to Jordan? Israel is at peace with both countries and both are relatively stable.

Because neither country is run by total idiots.
Egypt doesn't WANT Gaza and Jordan doesn't WANT the West Bank -
both areas are brimming mugs of disfunction and toxic victimhood.

Taking them over is like letting your loser druggie cousin Matt
move into your spare bedroom.


Actually, its more like kicking your druggie cousin out of your own house and then buying the crackhouse he moves into with all his crackhead friends.

/the PLO started in Jordan before they got KICKED OUT by the jordanians because they were a bunch of terrorists and murders.
//Then they moved to Lebanon....
 
2008-03-17 03:24:20 PM  
Relatively Obscure: So, er, wait..

But you used the term "the US." So.. the English stole their land from the English?

Anyway, yes we sort of did.


Right, my comment wasn't that carefully thought out!

/Obviously
 
2008-03-17 03:24:48 PM  
Tatsuma: SanDamiano: If that is the case, then the US illegally occupies Florida, most of the Southwest, Guantanamo Bay, etc. Or did your statement only apply to other countries?

Let's not even start with the UK either

That argument really only works with Israel, people ignore the precendents that would create otherwise.


Yeah, perhaps the world changed after WWII. Or would you have considered 1/2 of Poland and France, Bohemia and Moravia, etc. to be part of Germany as a valid outcome of WWII? Seriously, we are done with the days of annexing territory (or did you oppose Operation Desert Storm?).
 
2008-03-17 03:25:24 PM  
Tatsuma
EsteeFlwrPot: you know they really arent that entertaining. they just sit there.

That's a lie, a filthy lie, like the one where people pretend that there was such a thing as Palestinians with national aspirations before the 1967 war and that it wasn't a ploy by the PLO and others in order to use that as a tactic in order to try and take over as much Israeli territory as possible!


Oooh baby...

/i'll be in my bunk


//I agree with your thesis
 
2008-03-17 03:25:56 PM  
Captain Darling: Gregory F. Stuart: Yeah, but using a bunch of worn-out scriptures isn't exactly what I would call a reasonable standard for determining whether an area is a country.

I don't think anyone here is proposing to do that.


But that's exactly how Israel was created. The Bible says the land belongs to the Jews, so they went and stole it from the people who were already living there. The UN and other governments supported this because they felt sorry for the Jews after the Holocaust, and also because they too believed in the Bible. Thus, Israel's creation was justified on a bunch of worn-out scriptures written by a bunch of Bronze Age nomads.
 
2008-03-17 03:26:12 PM  
kc987654: Captain Darling: SanDamiano: Since the UN came about only 3 years before Israel, and countries as such existed long before the UN was around to recognize them, using the UN as the standard to judge whether a particular area is or is not a country is full of fail.

Words existed before dictionaries, but I still use the dictionary to define what's a word.

And yet dictionaries use how people use words in the real world in order to add to their list of words...

/what a good analogy


Yeah, but with words like 'muffin top' and 'pwn3d' being added to dictionaries, we might have to use the same standard to accept Palestine, Quebec, The South, The Republic of Texas, Hokie Nation, and Jim Decker's Ford Country (Home of Revolutionary Low Prices) as legit countries.

/ I propose using Wikipedia. If the word "country" appears in the opening paragraph of a wikipedia page, it's a country. Works expecially great for David Allan Coe, etc.
 
2008-03-17 03:26:31 PM  
Relatively Obscure: lexnaturalis: Didn't the US "steal" all of their land from Great Britain to begin with?

Nope. We also stole from Natives, the French, the Spanish and the Mexicans.


Well, you're half right. We bought it from the French and Spanish. We stole Texas from the Mexicans, yes, but then we bought Alaska from Russia to piss them off.
 
2008-03-17 03:26:43 PM  
Tatsuma :
tweekster: ie a loophole will be found so that the battle can continue

No, there are many poskim who say it'd be acceptable already


First, how many does it take?

Second, do you honestly not see the problem is allowing theocratic sources to rule on geopolitical items? It's this sort of sh*t that fuels the violence in the first place.
 
2008-03-17 03:27:38 PM  
Gregory F. Stuart: But that's exactly how Israel was created. The Bible says the land belongs to the Jews, so they went and stole it from the people who were already living there. The UN and other governments supported this because they felt sorry for the Jews after the Holocaust, and also because they too believed in the Bible. Thus, Israel's creation was justified on a bunch of worn-out scriptures written by a bunch of Bronze Age nomads.

They didn't "nomad" themselves very far, to use a noun as a verb.
 
2008-03-17 03:27:39 PM  
serial_crusher: Yeah, but with words like 'muffin top' and 'pwn3d' being added to dictionaries, we might have to use the same standard to accept Palestine, Quebec, The South, The Republic of Texas, Hokie Nation, and Jim Decker's Ford Country (Home of Revolutionary Low Prices) as legit countries.

So, Palestine = "muffin top" and Quebec = "pwn3d"?

I like the cut of your jib.
 
2008-03-17 03:27:48 PM  
It'd be nice if billions of my tax monies weren't being used as "play nice" bribes to both Egypt and Israel (which does quite well for itself without US help.)

If we could get off of the oil teat and shed the religious fanatics that have attached themselves to government, we could let the middle east sink or swim on it's own, probably to sink into a well-deserved obscurity again.

Then they can play apartheid, set up Sharia law, do whatever the heck they want for all I care.
 
2008-03-17 03:28:03 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: So, as long as it was acceptable by religious law? So we're back to sky fairies dictating geopolitical policy, are we?

EXACTLY MY POINT! WHAT THE fark is a bunch of worn-out scriptures written by a bunch of farking Bronze Age nomadic sheepfarkers doing in modern international politics?!
 
2008-03-17 03:28:11 PM  
serial_crusher: kc987654: Captain Darling: SanDamiano: Since the UN came about only 3 years before Israel, and countries as such existed long before the UN was around to recognize them, using the UN as the standard to judge whether a particular area is or is not a country is full of fail.

Words existed before dictionaries, but I still use the dictionary to define what's a word.

And yet dictionaries use how people use words in the real world in order to add to their list of words...

/what a good analogy

Yeah, but with words like 'muffin top' and 'pwn3d' being added to dictionaries, we might have to use the same standard to accept Palestine, Quebec, The South, The Republic of Texas, Hokie Nation, and Jim Decker's Ford Country (Home of Revolutionary Low Prices) as legit countries.

/ I propose using Wikipedia. If the word "country" appears in the opening paragraph of a wikipedia page, it's a country. Works expecially great for David Allan Coe, etc.


Well, the whole point of having a standard for countries is fairly absurd--there's not a world government so there really isn't an arbiter.

Tell the PRC that they weren't a country before the 70s...
 
2008-03-17 03:28:16 PM  
Oh and just because this bit cracks me up and it's sort of kinda related to the discussion on recognition of a country:

img377.imageshack.us
No flag, no country. (new window)

/not a rickroll
 
2008-03-17 03:29:12 PM  
DangerousDave:

The "Palestinians" left Israel because they thought the Egyptians, Syrians, etc would wipe out Israel fairly quickly and allow them to return and take over.


Although I'm pretty sure the rest of your post is historically accurate, this part is misleading.

The Palestinian people fled in droves after the massacre of Deir Yassin. Innocent Palestinian men women and children were murdered by Zionists. Link (new window)

There was widespread fear amongst the Palestinians that they would be killed as well. A large exodus followed after this incident and others like it.
 
2008-03-17 03:29:22 PM  
bmasso: glaurunge: And don't forget to add that there was no ethnic cleansing in 1948, the Palestinians just decided to up and leave on their own.

So the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, back from vacationing in Berlin during most of WW II, DIDN"T order "The Faithful" to evacuate so that the combined Arab Armies could just kill everyone without worrying about killing the "wrong" people by mistake?


I don't know what the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem said on the matter. What I do know is that the incipient county of Israel ethnically cleansed much of the population. About 700,000 Palestinians to be precise. Now if you would like to provide a reliable, contextualized citation for your claim, then fine. But it doesn't change the fact of Israeli massacres carried out in villages across the whole land.

Moreover, the mode in which the Palestinians were ousted from their homes is not totally germane to this discussion. Whether they were forcibly expelled or were vacationing in Florida at the time is irrelevant. The fact is that in either scenario they have the right to return to their homes.



But even if they were ethnically cleansed it doesn't matter because some Jews might have been expelled from an Arab country.

Yahhh, if by "some" or "an" you actually mean "all" or "most".
Prior to the first Arab-Israeli War, there were large (for a minority) Jewish populations in all the surrounding countries. With the notable exception of Iran, those 2,000 year-old populations are no longer there. Where-as to this day there are Arab Muslims living in Israel.
In other words, your spin is fill of shiat - please refrain from splattering us with it's contents.


And there used to be lots of Romans in Pompeii too. Why don't you read an actual book on this topic? You don't know how uninformed you make yourself look by regurgitating and recycling the same talking points. It's so obvious what you're doing. I mean can you at least be bothered to dress up and embellish these prefabricated retorts?


And since the Palestinians are Arabs too, any atrocities committed against them are thereby canceled out. This is basic logic folks!

In Deluded World, the same Israel which has repeatedly demonstrated it's martial prowess to be at least an order of magnitude greater than that of it's ARMED enemies has been trying to kill off largely unarmed Arabs for half a century but somehow has never actually accomplished the deed.


Straw man argument. Try again. Where in my post did it say Israel was "trying to kill of largely unarmed Arabs."? Also, I'm going to preemptively warn you not to gloss over the fact that I'm using the present progressive tense here and not the preterit past tense.


In Real World, here's such a dearth of actual atrocities that the PLO (etc) have to create fake ones to get PR traction. Unless you believe that in Real World "murdered" "martyrs" are apt to come back to life when their friends carrying the "corpse" in procession for the cameras keep dropping the "hero"?


The occupation is an atrocity.

"By their fruits will you know them".
Israel - Arabs are voting citizens and hold seats and elective offices in their government.
Israel's Arab neighbors - Juden Frei.


And you conclude your failed diatribe by employing misdirection to confuse the issue.

Arabs in the Occupied Territories do not vote in Israel. Only citizens of Israel get say in the actions Israel carries out in the Occupied Territories.

And yes, Israel is a much better country to live in than probably every Arab country. SO WHAT? This isn't a debate over which country is cooler or has the hotter women. This is how I know you're not a thinking person.

www.jonco48.com
 
2008-03-17 03:29:30 PM  
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Relatively Obscure: lexnaturalis: Didn't the US "steal" all of their land from Great Britain to begin with?

Nope. We also stole from Natives, the French, the Spanish and the Mexicans.

Well, you're half right. We bought it from the French and Spanish. We stole Texas from the Mexicans, yes, but then we bought Alaska from Russia to piss them off.


No, actually the Texans stole Texas from the Mexicans because the Mexicans were becoming a brutalistic overtaxing regime. They kept it for a while. Then later it joined the US.

/follow the money
 
2008-03-17 03:29:30 PM  
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Relatively Obscure: lexnaturalis: Didn't the US "steal" all of their land from Great Britain to begin with?

Nope. We also stole from Natives, the French, the Spanish and the Mexicans.

Well, you're half right. We bought it from the French and Spanish. We stole Texas from the Mexicans, yes, but then we bought Alaska from Russia to piss them off.


The Texans stole Texas from the Mexicans. Then they gave themselves to us.

/look ma, no hands...
 
2008-03-17 03:29:52 PM  
I need some help, I can't seem to find Palestine on any map. Is there any reason for this?
 
2008-03-17 03:30:56 PM  
Captain Darling: SanDamiano: Since the UN came about only 3 years before Israel, and countries as such existed long before the UN was around to recognize them, using the UN as the standard to judge whether a particular area is or is not a country is full of fail.

Words existed before dictionaries, but I still use the dictionary to define what's a word.


Hmmm... I try to use more than one dictionary. After all, if the dictionary has a typo, how would you tell otherwise?
 
2008-03-17 03:31:00 PM  
kc987654: Where are the LOLJews?

/I can has begel?


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