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(WLBZ2.com)   A Maine teen writes a song containing graphic descriptions of a school shooting and is sentenced to two years for terrorizing   (wlbz2.com) divider line 228
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2008-03-12 08:19:23 PM  
Ahhh, I see the ThoughtPol are integrating nicely with the normal law enforcement.

"The thought police would get him just the same. He had committed--would have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper--the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 1
 
2008-03-12 09:10:44 PM  
Perfectly farking recockulous.
 
2008-03-12 09:11:28 PM  
Well i approve.

have you ever heard the shait teens write? Contemporary Christin is better.

And CC gives me colonic ulcers.

/teens, the vogans of the music world
 
2008-03-12 09:14:46 PM  
makes a note never to do business with maine, mainers, or any assholes associated with doing business with that police state.
 
2008-03-12 09:15:12 PM  
baka-san: /teens, the vogans of the music world

obligatory "you owe me this and that computer accessories"

thanks :D
 
2008-03-12 09:16:48 PM  
BlackCat23: baka-san: /teens, the vogans of the music world

obligatory "you owe me this and that computer accessories"

thanks :D


Cool, my first

thanks
 
2008-03-12 09:47:22 PM  
If the song was on a CD wouldn't that mean someone would have to either buy the CD or make some sort of effort to get a copy of the CD? And in that case wouldn't that mean they "terrorized" themselves since they tried to get a copy?

and how in the fark is there a law against "terrorizing"???

coercion I can see as a law. or "terroristic threats" or intimidation maybe, but "terrorizing"?? Thats the same as being found guilty because someone is scared.
 
2008-03-12 09:52:29 PM  
I was going to respond with my usual outrage, until I actually RTFA: It described a shooting spree inside a high school and specifically mentioned the shooting of the principal and vice principal as well as teachers and students.

The lyrics referred to Colorado's Columbine High School and, at the end of the song, to Bucksport High School, which Hayes and Crane attended.


So, yeah, I can kind of see how that would be seen as a threat to the people at BHS.

baka-san: have you ever heard the shait teens write?

That, too. :P
 
2008-03-12 09:55:45 PM  
and as usual there is more (new window) to the story



"Hayes already is serving a sentence at Mountain View in connection with an armed robbery in 2007 at a Bangor convenience store."
 
2008-03-12 10:04:30 PM  
log_jammin: and as usual there is more (new window) to the story

"Hayes already is serving a sentence at Mountain View in connection with an armed robbery in 2007 at a Bangor convenience store."


Yeah. A real winner we got there. :/
 
2008-03-12 10:06:35 PM  
I'm sure two years in prison is just the sort of experience this guy needs to get his life on track. Meanwhile, he can just contribute to prison overcrowding.

/what idiot made 'terrorizing' so broad that someone could be convicted of it in the absence of an actual victim?
 
2008-03-12 10:08:00 PM  
So we can finally imprison the entire Rap industry now right?

/good
 
2008-03-12 10:08:02 PM  
FTFA: 18-year-old Jonathan Hayes will remain in custody until he turns 20. Officials say he will likely remain at Mountain View Youth Development Center in Charleston, where he is already serving time for an unrelated robbery.

Meh...this is a bunch of bullshiat. He is already locked up, this was just another nail in the coffin. Probably rapping about murdering classmates...not cool when you're already a criminal.
 
2008-03-12 10:08:04 PM  
I'm scared!
Make the bad bad song go away!
 
2008-03-12 10:08:14 PM  
So John Lennon was shot for his Anti-heaven/hell song?

/No hell, below us. Above us, only sky.
//Imagine.
 
2008-03-12 10:08:21 PM  
forbiddenplanet.co.uk
 
2008-03-12 10:08:24 PM  
log_jammin: and as usual there is more (new window) to the story



"Hayes already is serving a sentence at Mountain View in connection with an armed robbery in 2007 at a Bangor convenience store."


That was in TOFA. Not much extra substance in what you linked, really.
 
2008-03-12 10:08:58 PM  
and does everyone know WHY douchebags do stuff like this?

Because now they'll be farking FAMOUS. Way to go media... inspire all the little emo farkers to pull some shiat like this.
 
2008-03-12 10:09:59 PM  
I used to draw very violent comics in school. I found them humorous. Thank GOD I don't go to school now.

/Thanks for farking up our schools, Hippies.
 
2008-03-12 10:10:04 PM  
Anyone but me remember, as a youth, singing violent songs of anti-establishment mayhem, like "Joy to the world, the school burnt down.. and all, the teachers DIEEEEED", or "Glory, glory hallelujah, teacher hit me with a rulah, so I shot her out the door with a loaded .44 and she ain't gonna teach no more" (to the tune of Battle Hymn of the Republic)?

It's nice to know that I'm a retroactive terrorist.
 
2008-03-12 10:10:26 PM  
Yeah, your precious first ammendment is being violated by the govt.. Of course because its being violated for someone doing "thoughtcrime" intead of say gay kiddiepron, the liberals are not upset.
 
2008-03-12 10:10:31 PM  
Freedom of Speech and all that...

I don't think they made that bad a leap of logic: he has already shown willingness to use guns in another crime (robbery) and spelled out a pretty grim shooting at his school in his crap-ass teeny rage song.

If it was just the song, I wouldn't be so supportive of incarceration, but with the armed robbery, much more so.
 
2008-03-12 10:10:39 PM  
img2.timeinc.net

Moves to the top of Maine's Most Wanted List.
 
2008-03-12 10:11:14 PM  
Locked up for writing a song. This is insane.
 
2008-03-12 10:11:20 PM  
But he was going to shoot them with Nerf guns!!
 
2008-03-12 10:11:50 PM  
So he committed a robbery? Okay. Lock him up for the prescribed time.

So he put out a CD of shiatty teen music? Okay. Ignore him like we do every other teen who puts out shiatty teen music. Or keep a closer eye on him in school, if it's your neck o nthe line. They already have plenty of controls in place to keep him in line, like making the school a "gun-free zone"

How the hell is he going to harm anyone if the school is a "gun-free zone"? :-D
 
2008-03-12 10:12:01 PM  
so how is death row records doing nowdays?
 
2008-03-12 10:12:01 PM  
Spielman: Not much extra substance in what you linked, really.

just the line "Hayes already is serving a sentence at Mountain View in connection with an armed robbery in 2007 at a Bangor convenience store."
 
2008-03-12 10:12:15 PM  
that stupid first amendment right, why do we even have it -- o wait clearly we don't.


I'm not saying what he did is right, but criminal? I don't think so. I can see him expelled, but did he distribute it to his classmates? Teacher? Principal? Doesn't seem like terrorizing to me, not in a criminal sense.
 
2008-03-12 10:13:51 PM  
So far, log_jammin is the only person who gets it.

He was locked up for a violent crime already (robbing a store at gunpoint). The CD got him expelled from school. Well, wtf do you expect the state to do? Just let him sit around at home? Riiiight...He was already in jail, probably has a zero tolerance portion of his sentence too. This was not the first thing this kid farked up.
 
2008-03-12 10:14:10 PM  
So... we are sending people to prison for writing a song? The end is near.
 
2008-03-12 10:14:33 PM  
?
 
2008-03-12 10:14:49 PM  
Nemo's Brother Quote 2008-03-12 10:09:59 PM
I used to draw very violent comics in school. I found them humorous. Thank GOD I don't go to school now.

/Thanks for farking up our schools, Hippies.


Stop farking your sister for a second. Do you really think pot turned your childhood fantasies into crimes? Pot? You idiot?
 
2008-03-12 10:15:16 PM  
This kid sounds like a real shiathead. But. The article says the song made reference to shooting "the shooting of the principal and vice principal along with teachers and students". It does not say anyone was referred to by name, and seems to indicate that it was referring to generics rather than specifics.

I'd want to know what the lyrics referring to the kid's high school at the end actually were before rushing to judgment. If they were, "Man, I'd sure enjoy it if this happened at Bucksport High", that's one thing. If they referred to the school in another context, like "It happened at Columbine, it could happen at Bucksport", that's different. And if they ended the song with "Bucksport High, represent!" that'd be very different.
 
2008-03-12 10:15:23 PM  
okay call me crazy but where in the article does it say the terror charge came specifically from the CD he made? Sounds like a vauge BS article by some hack writer who doesnt go into specifcs what the kid did that was terror related. He just happens to mention and make the focal point that he made some CD but nowhere does it say it's the reason for getting charged.
 
2008-03-12 10:15:59 PM  
Nemo's Brother: /Thanks for farking up our schools, Hippies.

Hippies like free speech. Thank the neo-cons that allow things like the Patriot Act and torture to happen.
 
2008-03-12 10:16:04 PM  
 
2008-03-12 10:16:33 PM  
I hate Maine teens...
 
2008-03-12 10:16:37 PM  
I'm all for Freedom of Speech, I've marched in rallies, but I have to side with the authorities on this one. (From what I've gleaned from the article and related stories.)

The charges of Terrorizing, according to Maine state law are as follows:

17-A M.R.S. § 210. Terrorizing. 1977. Amended 2003.

1. A person is guilty of terrorizing if that person in fact communicates to any person a threat to commit or to cause to be committed a crime of violence dangerous to human life, against the person to whom the communication is made or another, and the natural and probable consequence of such a threat, whether or not such consequence in fact occurs, is:

A. To place the person to whom the threat is communicated or the person threatened in reasonable fear that the crime will be committed. Violation of this paragraph is a Class D crime; or

B. To cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly or facility of public transport or to cause the occupants of a building to be moved to or required to remain in a designated secured area. Violation of this paragraph is a Class C crime.

They specifically named people at the school who they would do harm to, and doing so in song is irrelevant, they committed a crime and are guilty. Writing a song about school shooting isn't against the law, and is protected under the First Amendment, in the same way we can discuss opinions about the same. However, talking about causing harm to specific individuals and publicizing said comments, IS against the law. Plus being in already for robbery doesn't say much for your character and intentions, (which can sometimes be enough to sway juries in cases like this.)

/legal associate
 
2008-03-12 10:17:01 PM  
And the guy who wrote "It's A Small World" walks FREE!

Where is the JUSTICE!
 
2008-03-12 10:17:14 PM  
log_jammin:

Right, but it said that in the initial article.

We get it, he was locked up for armed robbery, and now he's getting in more trouble for a crappy CD.
 
2008-03-12 10:18:15 PM  
Key note: This is a charge of Terrorizing NOT Terrorism.
 
2008-03-12 10:18:20 PM  
log_jammin: Spielman: Not much extra substance in what you linked, really.

just the line "Hayes already is serving a sentence at Mountain View in connection with an armed robbery in 2007 at a Bangor convenience store."


Which was oh so very different from "Officials say he will likely remain at Mountain View Youth Development Center in Charleston, where he is already serving time for an unrelated robbery", which was in the original farking article.
 
2008-03-12 10:18:41 PM  
emcee_squared

i had totally forgotten about doing that, but YES, we sang those songs when i was a kid! and we're perfectly responsible citizens now.

/i'm 26
 
2008-03-12 10:18:52 PM  
NYZooMan: And the guy who wrote "It's A Small World" walks FREE!

Where is the JUSTICE!


And that numma numma guy too.
 
2008-03-12 10:18:55 PM  
So if this kid got 2 years for writing a song, What do we give Bush and the republicans in congress for trying to correlate Telecom-Immunity to attacks on our soil?
 
2008-03-12 10:18:56 PM  
No, I think self-absorbed idiots who have no notion of personal accountability or leadership, created Zero Tolerance rules to hide behind. Not only are they not teaching our students how to think, they are not doing so themselves.

In their brilliant eyes, bringing an Aspirin to class is the same as bringing crack.

These are the same guys who think homework is oppressive, we shouldn't grade papers in red ink as it implies negativity, no one should ever fail and we should not keep score in soccer.

They do everything they can to create a safe and sterile environment for these snowflakes, failing to realize that all they are doing is leaving these kids unprepared for the real world.
 
2008-03-12 10:19:08 PM  
TDUsGamer: I'm all for Freedom of Speech, I've marched in rallies, but I have to side with the authorities on this one. (From what I've gleaned from the article and related stories.)

The charges of Terrorizing, according to Maine state law are as follows:

17-A M.R.S. § 210. Terrorizing. 1977. Amended 2003.

1. A person is guilty of terrorizing if that person in fact communicates to any person a threat to commit or to cause to be committed a crime of violence dangerous to human life, against the person to whom the communication is made or another, and the natural and probable consequence of such a threat, whether or not such consequence in fact occurs, is:

A. To place the person to whom the threat is communicated or the person threatened in reasonable fear that the crime will be committed. Violation of this paragraph is a Class D crime; or

B. To cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly or facility of public transport or to cause the occupants of a building to be moved to or required to remain in a designated secured area. Violation of this paragraph is a Class C crime.

They specifically named people at the school who they would do harm to, and doing so in song is irrelevant, they committed a crime and are guilty. Writing a song about school shooting isn't against the law, and is protected under the First Amendment, in the same way we can discuss opinions about the same. However, talking about causing harm to specific individuals and publicizing said comments, IS against the law. Plus being in already for robbery doesn't say much for your character and intentions, (which can sometimes be enough to sway juries in cases like this.)

/legal associate


I don't think people are really saying it's not illegal, factually. It's that writing a song (or poem, or story) about an illegal activity shouldn't be illegal in the first place.
 
2008-03-12 10:19:15 PM  
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2008-03-12 10:19:29 PM  
The Voice of Doom Quote 2008-03-12 10:16:04 PM
Everybody run, the Homecoming Queen's got a gun!<i></i>

You, sir, are a beautiful bastard. I love her.
 
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