Good thing I'm a Thai Buddhist 'cause I lurve Lego bricks.

And whoever was asking about Phuket, it's not far south enough to be an issue, unless the Muslim militants decide to start bombing tourist attractions, in which case you'd be hosed. Just steer clear of Pattani and Narathiwat, et al.

Shaggy_C: Captain Darling: OK then, so when should we expect the shiat to hit the fan when all the parodies of Christianity come to the attention of the Christian populations around the world who live in such conditions? Should we expect a wave of attacks when Ugandans pick up Family Guy? Or when Egyptians Copts hear about South Park?

Why don't you go walk through South Central LA with a shirt that says 'nigers are violent bastards' and let me know how long you last.

How about you answer his question instead of throwing that red herring out?

tweekster: All it takes is a strong leader or 2 to get them rallied up. Their are millions in that position to be led like sheep if someone stepped up and used it to their advantage.

Yes, I don't disagree with this. Strong charismatic leaders - combined with a prevailing atmosphere of discontent - can cause rational people to do some pretty awful things. We can see easy examples of that in WW2 era of Europe and several periods of American history.

DarnoKonrad: barjockey:

Oh yeah. You got me pegged.

Really? That's it? No telling me where to get deceased? No implications that I'm a feminine hygiene utensil? No questioning of my manhood or veiled threats you've peppered the rest of the tread with?

Impressive.

Yeah - I've pretty much dumped out the typical toolkit for the more harmless common variety numskull.

/actually liked your response
//don't make me start liking you

Xomber: They are afraid that depicting Muhammad/Mohammed will lead to idolatry?
Hmm...while technically they aren't there (lacking statues and all), isn't their attitude towards them practically worship?
I mean, for someone who's supposed to be a human being they give him way too much respect.
At least the Cosmic Jewish Zombie worshipers claim his undead ass is a god.
/gotta go do a rain dance now.

This coming from a religion that worships a farking rock

It also should be noted that depictions of Mohamed are all over any arab market but apparently that isnt a big deal..

kharaalaik: biffstallion: beoswulf: Thai-Muslim protesters chant slogans next to a photo of a Danish cartoonist during a protest outside the Danish embassy in Bangkok, Thailand Wednesday, March 12, 2008. Some 800 Thai Muslims took part in the protest against the reprinting of a cartoon in Danish newspapers perceived as insulting to Islam. (AP Photo/Apichart Weerawong)


AP photo of peaceful, non-violent demonstration.


/wish Muslims got as outraged about 9/11, 7/7, 7/11, 3/11 etc as they do about cartoons.


When CAIR actually denounces the 9/11 attack, then we will all believe that the Muslim world actually doesn't secretly support Osama.

They did, several times. As did almost all of the Muslims and mosques in America. As did most of the scholars and teachers of Islam. As did most of the Muslim world.

Links about almost all the mosques, American Muslims, scholars and teachers? The common post 9/11 Muslim rant is a paradoxical "Oh noes, the Jooooos did 9/11 to make us Muslims look bad but but but America deserved 9/11 because of its support of Israel!" And Osama is still a hero.

mrxenon: Just because you have a basic right to print crude racist cartoons doesn't mean that the racists who publish crude racist cartoon deserve applause. Either condemn these crude racist cartoons just like you do anti-semitic cartoons, or STFU.

Insofar as "Muslim" is a race (which it isn't, btw), the cartoons in that set MOST near the category of "crude" and "racist" were the ones the Imans who genned up the original outrage - resulting in world-wide deaths from rioting - FARKING MADE UP!!!! The ones that were never in the original publication - and were SO offensive to the Religion of Peace yet that practicing clergy from that faith saw no conflict with their faith in creating by themselves. And them sending copies world-wide.

If you believe the Dutch that published cartoons MILDLY critical of Islam - as it's practiced by the more extreme of it's members - are to blame for the death-larity and "Death to those who claim Islam calls for Death!" that followed - you probably also believe that the Freddie's Fashion Mart victims were to blame for their own deaths - instead of the wackos like Sharpton who CREATED a controversy by claiming falsely that the store (jooooos, you see) was to blame for a record-shop losing it's lease - instead of the black baptist church that was the actual property owner.

//BTW - how the HELL do you fail to see amy difference between cartoons saying muslims
//blow things up (true) and ones saying jews murder non-jew babies to get baby blood for
//matzos? (False, if you HAD to be so informed.) And you probably did need to, if you live in
//any one of over a dozen Muslim countries which run the second category of cartoon as normal.

DarnoKonrad, maybe we are merely teaching the Muslims about electricity, physics, biology, medicine, communication technology, tolerance, hygiene and, I don't know, every advancement for the last 600 years.

/Muslims didn't invent the concept of zero

I would just like to say that I would like to peacefully protest the people who are peacefully protesting the people who peacefully pointed out that the people who are now peacefully protesting are not so peaceful. That is all.

fizzix_is_fun

Jews slaughtering canaanites = reprehensible
Muslims slaughtering Christians = reprehensible
Christians slaughtering Jews = reprehensible

In no case are you ever going to convince me that the victim deserved the massacre, despite what their religious ancestors might have done in the past.

You have forgotten the primary purpose of mainstream religion: To use God's favoritism toward your people to justify their actions. All other commands hang on this.

Oh, and don't forget:
Exodus 20:7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

mvfreeman: Just out of curiosity how many predominately muslim countries have appreciable jewish minority populations? In this century.

They were mostly thrown out when the Jews took over a swath of important religious land in the middle east and then fought a war against the muslim arabs. Things became a little less hospitable, so they left. But up until 1948, the number was about 1 million Jews scattered across the middle east in Muslim countries. Link (new window)

Captain Darling: So your answer is "never".

My answer was that violence begets violence. You'll probably get beat up and robbed in any of those places you mentioned, but it's not going to be because of a stupid episode of Family Guy. If you stand in the middle of a street burning their flag, you're probably going to find out just how tolerant they are.

Jacobin: Thankfully, we don't have any intolerant ass clowns in this country.

They need to be publicly ridiculed, spit on, and subjected to many painful paintball drive-bys.

Once their protests turn into violent bloodshed toward any and all who don't join them in their madness, then they = Islamic terrorists. I don't care what platform your spouting.

See how that works?

DROxINxTHExWIND: robisfunky: LOL. Please, highlight the portion of my post that exposed my "thin skin".

This is FARK. My understanding of how things work here is that people post comments and if I disagree with them, I am free to form a rebuttal. If this is incorrect, let me know.


The purpose of the statement is to get the guy to think, for once, about something other than himself. YOUR ideals are not shared by everyone on the planet. People seem to think that if they are not offended by something, then no on else has a right to be offended. It may be silly to someone that a Jewish person would be offended by a swastika. After all, it's just a few squiggly lines. There will never be unity without understanding.

My perception of your thin skin was not formed by this single post, but by the dozens of posts over months I read by you... That's the great thing about FARK, you don't live in a bubble per each single post, your FARK life tends to follow you from thread to thread and FRAK is a tough place to be perpetually offended.
No worries, to each their own.
/carry on.

The funny thing about Shaggy_C is that he is always wrong. He reminds of Steve French.

DROxINxTHExWIND: There will never be unity without understanding.

There will never be "unity", period. That's a naive idea, furthered by naive people. You try and get a feminist and some dude who wants to stone his wife to death for being seen in public with a member of the opposite gender to live next door to each other peacefully. And good luck.

Neither viewpoint may be objectively grounded or justified, but not until everyone stops having opinions and beliefs entirely will "unity" be possible. I may be able to understand someone else's anger and desire to kill me, but that's a far cry from being okay with them actually doing it.

I don't care if neither side is wrong in the eyes of objectivity, i'm not a casual, detached observer. I'm me, and thus have a considerable stake in what happens to me. I'm biased, and i think anyone who actually gives a shiat about someone else's drawings needs to get a life and find real things to worry about.

Really religion makes no sense to me. I accept it as it is, but it just makes me wonder. It's great to have a social structure that provides moral lessons and guidance, but it seems people as a whole are too hypocritical in nature to get it right.

/how can you preach tolerance and acceptance or say you have a peaceful religion when you put down people of other religions or beliefs because they are not the same as yours and then attack them (in policy, generalizations, physically)?
//Christianity and Islam are not all that different in my eyes

gilgigamesh: When the Spainish expelled the Moors into north Africa in the 11th century, they also expelled Jews and other Christian sects they didn't like.

11th century? LOL, get out of here. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Al Andalus was kicked out in 1492.

DROxINxTHExWIND: And they wish you were more sympathetic to their feelings about seeing their prophet depicted with a bomb for a turban.

You do care right? What? You haven't tried to understand their anger, even as you vilify them for not understanding yours?

weak

The Muslims doth protest too much, methinks.

buenohead:
Oh, and don't forget:
Exodus 20:7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

which is precisely why I blaspheme any god I hear about.

Can't be too careful.

robisfunky: DROxINxTHExWIND: robisfunky: LOL. Please, highlight the portion of my post that exposed my "thin skin".

This is FARK. My understanding of how things work here is that people post comments and if I disagree with them, I am free to form a rebuttal. If this is incorrect, let me know.


The purpose of the statement is to get the guy to think, for once, about something other than himself. YOUR ideals are not shared by everyone on the planet. People seem to think that if they are not offended by something, then no on else has a right to be offended. It may be silly to someone that a Jewish person would be offended by a swastika. After all, it's just a few squiggly lines. There will never be unity without understanding.

My perception of your thin skin was not formed by this single post, but by the dozens of posts over months I read by you... That's the great thing about FARK, you don't live in a bubble per each single post, your FARK life tends to follow you from thread to thread and FRAK is a tough place to be perpetually offended.
No worries, to each their own.
/carry on.
=========================================

All good.

FYI: Emphasis != emotion.

/I'm having just as much fun as you are

barjockey: Second, don't biatch about how the world views your religion when people who claim the same religion as you do are doing all that they can to ensure that either the entire world converts or dies. You do realize that the muslim extremists view complacent peaceful muslims as heretics who are not following their divine calling to convert or kill, don't you? Or were you out sick the day they taught that in Defending Jihad 101?

OK- I think I get where you're coming from. I totally agree with you that there is an element that wants to re-establish the Caliphate. The difference is I'm not afraid of their ability to bring this about, any more than I worry that Hugo Chavez will be able to make Socialism work or that Colombian drug lords could undermine the US government (a la Carlos Lehder).

To be blunt- I'm not afraid of the so-called Islamofascists. I'm not saying we should ignore them or appease them- but for God's sake let's not whore ourselves or betray our principles over this sparse, limp group of barely-literate cousin farkers.

It seems you're thinking we need to kill mosquitos with artillary fire. In conflating a large group of harmless knuckleheads with a small group of harmful knuckle-draggers you're increasing the target field for no purpose. You're pissing off people it doesn't pay to piss off. The average illiterate melon vendor chanting in front of the Danish embassy isn't worth our attention or our ire. And we shouldn't deliberately humiliate or anger them in confusing them with the people we do need to attend to.

Hey DROx, I can understand them being offended. It's how some of them express their outrage that is just a wee bit over-reactive. Jews don't typically issue death threats after they've encoutered a swastika.

Hey speaking of squiggly lines, remember this:

Nemo's Brother: The funny thing about Shaggy_C is that he is always wrong.

Do you mean that you disagree with my opinions or that I'm actually wrong? Feel free to look up any fact I've stated in this thread and prove to me it's incorrect. I'll be waiting.

If a pregnant woman is to be stoned to death (sangsar), they bury her up to her breasts in order to avoid inflicting pain on the fetus.

dflores.1: Queue Muslin Rage Boy in 3, 2, 1...

Muslin? (new window)

Spoonfed'sBuddy: GungFu: onecanshort: Muslims are a minority in Buddhist-dominated Thailand, which faces a bloody Islamic insurgency in its southernmost provinces.

Wait, what? Are they attacking Buddhists now? Just so I got my religions right, Buddhists are the peace loving folks who think any kind of violence is wrong and their goal is to attain total consciousness, right?


It's been tit-for-tat for ages now. The southern tip of Thailand borders onto Malaysia, where Muslims have much influence. Hundreds of Muslim insurgents and Thais have been killed, including innocents caught in the cross-fire. The Thais have a military presence there, not surprisingly.

Tourists are warned not to go there on their travels. It's such a shame as I think Thailand is one of the most wonderous places to visit.

Always the farking Muslims. Asshats.

I'll be in Phuket in July and will also be going to the gulf of Thailand as well, do you have any advice for avoiding trouble w/ the crazy Muslims?

Convert to Islam.

barjockey: Second, don't biatch about how the world views your religion when people who claim the same religion as you do are doing all that they can to ensure that either the entire world converts or dies.

Haha. What a lovely little Dr. Seussian world you inhabit, sir.

I suppose it's 100% coincidence that the three largest hotbeds of Muslim extremism happen to be coming from countries that are OCCUPIED by Western powers (Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan).

Of course, the biggest hotbed for Muslim extremists are your best friends and business partners, the Saudi Royal Family, who are no fans of freedom at ALL, but who enjoy your unwavering financial and miltary support.

All coincidence, nothing to see here.

Third, DIAF

Your "enemies" wish death upon people all the time, you seem to have that much in common. Oh, and I will check my smoke detector battery when I get home from work tonight just to make sure. Probably should've done it a while ago...

You should try to manage that hatred, bro.

Shaggy_C: Do you mean that you disagree with my opinions or that I'm actually wrong? Feel free to look up any fact I've stated in this thread and prove to me it's incorrect. I'll be waiting.

I think he just means you're actually wrong. As in full-of-shiat. I don't want to speak for someone else though...

ShawnDoc: GungFu: Tourists are warned not to go there on their travels. It's such a shame as I think Thailand is one of the most wonderous places to visit.

And still is. Just avoid the deep south, especially the smaller villages. On a funny note, its also the same advice I give to people visiting the US for the first time.

HAHA... if only it were true... The influx of Yankees and West Coasters is still WAY too high for me in NC. I need to put up a FULL sign...

High fives DROxINxTHExWIND.

/ignorant farkers abound
//uphill climb to take them all on
///glad somebody's willing to do it
////too farking lazy myself

tweekster Quote 2008-03-12 02:30:40 PM
This coming from a religion that worships a farking rock
It also should be noted that depictions of Mohamed are all over any arab market but apparently that isnt a big deal..


Who said I was Jewish?
I'm an atheist, asshat.
To me all religions are equally stupid.

bmasso:

you're right that they're not technically "racist" but "civilizationist" or "people-ist" isn't really a usable term. Racism is familiar to us. bigotry against a particular group using a mean-spirited and crude caricature (like white guys in blackface dancing around and eating watermelons). and this one's particularly insulting because Islam forbids images of Muhammad. its asshole behavior. yes, freedom of speach, they're FREE to print them, but its in very bad taste and doesn't deserve to be defended.

like it or not, Islam is one of the great religions of mankind with an illustrious (not always, obviously) history and over a billion believers. when you print the Muhammad bomb cartoon you insult all of them. yes, of course they overreacted, but if the Christian world were as oppressed, poorly-educated, and fundamentalist as the Muslim, you can bet that people would react similarly to a cartoon of Jesus dropping a nuclear bomb on Nagasaki or killing kids in Mi Lai or shocking nuts at Abu Ghraib or any of the other atrocities of the Christian world.

shaggy_c Things became a little less hospitable, so they left

Sir Roderick Glossop: barjockey: Second, don't biatch about how the world views your religion when people who claim the same religion as you do are doing all that they can to ensure that either the entire world converts or dies. You do realize that the muslim extremists view complacent peaceful muslims as heretics who are not following their divine calling to convert or kill, don't you? Or were you out sick the day they taught that in Defending Jihad 101?

OK- I think I get where you're coming from. I totally agree with you that there is an element that wants to re-establish the Caliphate. The difference is I'm not afraid of their ability to bring this about, any more than I worry that Hugo Chavez will be able to make Socialism work or that Colombian drug lords could undermine the US government (a la Carlos Lehder).

To be blunt- I'm not afraid of the so-called Islamofascists. I'm not saying we should ignore them or appease them- but for God's sake let's not whore ourselves or betray our principles over this sparse, limp group of barely-literate cousin farkers.

It seems you're thinking we need to kill mosquitos with artillary fire. In conflating a large group of harmless knuckleheads with a small group of harmful knuckle-draggers you're increasing the target field for no purpose. You're pissing off people it doesn't pay to piss off. The average illiterate melon vendor chanting in front of the Danish embassy isn't worth our attention or our ire. And we shouldn't deliberately humiliate or anger them in confusing them with the people we do need to attend to.

My friend, you are undermining a historical undercurrent that has existed for thousands of years.

homosexual man: If a pregnant woman is to be stoned to death (sangsar), they bury her up to her breasts in order to avoid inflicting pain on the fetus.

I'm sure that works out really well for the fetus. But i guess it's the thought that counts. No hard feelings and that.

Great freaky-ass unsettling picture by the way.

General Kwan: Great freaky-ass unsettling picture by the way.

it's from a movie...

Anyone that gets upset to the point of violence, or condoning violence, over an image, or words portraying some kind of magical deity figure is unstable, delusional, and should not have any right to make decisions because they've proven themselves incapable of rational thought.

This applies to any member of any ideology. It applies to sports nuts idolizing some baseball player and getting in a fight over their team losing, it applies to christians bombing abortion clinics or advocating that this be done, it applies to the baptist nut-jobs picketing the funerals of soldiers, it applies to the christians that used to stone people to death for saying the word 'jehovah', and it certainly applies to Muslims who participate in attacks or demonstrations advocating attacks on people who did nothing more than have the temerity to hold a different world view, and who weren't too scared to be public about it.

Free speech is great, and it is awesome. Free speech does not extend to people advocating violence or proselytizing murder for something as absurd as heresy.

goodbomb: bmasso:

you're right that they're not technically "racist" but "civilizationist" or "people-ist" isn't really a usable term. Racism is familiar to us. bigotry against a particular group using a mean-spirited and crude caricature (like white guys in blackface dancing around and eating watermelons). and this one's particularly insulting because Islam forbids images of Muhammad. its asshole behavior. yes, freedom of speach, they're FREE to print them, but its in very bad taste and doesn't deserve to be defended.

like it or not, Islam is one of the great religions of mankind with an illustrious (not always, obviously) history and over a billion believers. when you print the Muhammad bomb cartoon you insult all of them. yes, of course they overreacted, but if the Christian world were as oppressed, poorly-educated, and fundamentalist as the Muslim, you can bet that people would react similarly to a cartoon of Jesus dropping a nuclear bomb on Nagasaki or killing kids in Mi Lai or shocking nuts at Abu Ghraib or any of the other atrocities of the Christian world.

The big difference being, We are not muslims and dont subscribe to their views of mohammed. Thrus we can draw him any way we want, if muslims dislike said drawing, they can wad up their copy and throw it away, or ignore it.

Just because you/muslims/anyone hold something holy and sacred does not mean the rest of the world has to also.

kasmel: Free speech is great, and it is awesome.

barjockey: My friend, you are undermining a historical undercurrent that has existed for thousands of years.

Yes, but what has it achieved in those thousands of years? The medieval world view is a self-limiting one. They won't win because they can't win. It's like Communism- they're doomed by the limitations inherent in their philosophy.

I'm not saying we should be complacent or woolen-headed, but let's face it: they're far more effective at making their lives horrible and their politics impotent than we could ever be. We don't need to help them fail.

We need to be careful and to protect ourselves, but let's not light ourselves on fire to get rid of a case of lice.

kasmel: some kind of magical deity figure

to you. not to them. you don't understand shiat about religion.

nothing more than have the temerity to hold a different world view, and who weren't too scared to be public about it.

that's not true at all. the bomb cartoon is an insult. its like spitting in the face of a billion people all at the same time. o

obviously I agree with you that violence is not in order, but don't act like they have no reason to be upset.

Sir Roderick Glossop: OK- I think I get where you're coming from. I totally agree with you that there is an element that wants to re-establish the Caliphate. The difference is I'm not afraid of their ability to bring this about, any more than I worry that Hugo Chavez will be able to make Socialism work or that Colombian drug lords could undermine the US government (a la Carlos Lehder).

To be blunt- I'm not afraid of the so-called Islamofascists. I'm not saying we should ignore them or appease them- but for God's sake let's not whore ourselves or betray our principles over this sparse, limp group of barely-literate cousin farkers.

It seems you're thinking we need to kill mosquitos with artillary fire. In conflating a large group of harmless knuckleheads with a small group of harmful knuckle-draggers you're increasing the target field for no purpose. You're pissing off people it doesn't pay to piss off. The average illiterate melon vendor chanting in front of the Danish embassy isn't worth our attention or our ire. And we shouldn't deliberately humiliate or anger them in confusing them with the people we do need to attend to.

You make a lot of sense, but I think we need to remember how this whole cartoon rage thing began. The newspaper ran the cartoon series because a Danish author was complaining that people were afraid to draw illustrations for his biography of Mohammed. As far as I know, this was an entirely serious biography and the illustrations would have been no worse than the many depictions of Mohammed that have been produced by Islamic sources. The newspaper then decided they were going to test whether European ideals of free speech really worked in practice, so they published cartoons which are certainly no worse than the parodies of Christianity you can find on Fark on any given afternoon.

My point is that these cartoons would never have been drawn if there was not already an issue of whether they could be drawn. It's not that a bunch of guys woke up one day and thought "hey, let's piss off some Muslims" for fun.