This particular muslim, like most who support this kind of crap, deserves a mouth full of raw sausage, the Quor'an shoved so far up his arse (where it belongs), and a one way ticket to 72 Virginians.

The 24-year-old suspect was warmly praised by some members of his family for the attempted murder.

wow, his sister must be a total biatch!

Tommy Moo: Were the bullets made of plastic or something?

Oh, also fark Islam.

Dude, what the fark does this story have to do with Islam? NOTHING!

That's like saying the desert is a part of Islam because some majority Muslim countries have lots of sand.

the attack had been carefully planned over a long period

So much fail there that it makes me giggle. She got shot TWICE in the HEAD and the bullets shattered on impact without penetrating her skull. Awesome. I guess Allah didn't want her dead, hm?

Please. HOW long ago did Law & Order do their episode on honor killings?

Kyosuke: Nice troll, Schimitty.

Now get back to building that pyramid.

enslaved Jew joke?

glaurunge: Dude, what the fark does this story have to do with Islam? NOTHING!

When Islam makes it ok to beat up women in your family, and Islamic cleric tacitly or openly back honor killings, it has everything to do with Islam.

These "people" are as farked up as a football bat. Actually, even more so.

Wow! Its hard to believe why anyone would think their culture is intolerant. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest his genitals!

Tastes Like Chicken: dahmers love zombie: Israelis must honestly have the patience of saints not to just chuck every Muslim out and carpet bomb everything within 50 miles of Israeli borders.

Hey, if her brother's bullets don't get that hoo-er, one of your carpet bombs certainly will.

Subby: Unless, like you're this guy, you're Palestinian, in which case it's A-OK

KaponoFor3: Muslim "honor" killings -- something that moral relativists tell us we can't make moral judgments about and that cultural relativists tell us that the West can't criticize the culture that festers such acts. Pathetic.

And the fact that the brother and every family member involved was arrested... means... nothing?

It means that they were in Israel and not any other Middle Eastern Country.

dahmers love zombie: Non-story. The only thing "wrong" here is that these animals are allowed to be in Israel in the first place. Israelis must honestly have the patience of saints not to just chuck every Muslim out and carpet bomb everything within 50 miles of Israeli borders.

Jesus, is this even NEWS? I don't call the press when I have a cup of coffee in the morning. Honor killings and their acceptance are so de rigeur in the Middle East that they should hardly bear reporting.


/stir

Can't believe the farking Palestinians have the Chutzpah to remain in their homes when the border gets drawn around them, just like the filthy Mexicans, right?

Ryan2065: It all depends on how literally they choose to interpret the Koran. The same can be said of the other two Abrahamic religions.

In other words, you're not a good person because of your religion, you're a good person in spite of it.

Degree Absolute: enslaved Jew joke?

Just like most things in the movie, that wasn't an accurate depiction of what happened

/Curse you, Hollywood, I still picture Moshe looking like Charlton Heston half of the time

Tatsuma: We never claimed that this behavior was tolerated HERE for the most part, but it was excused as something cultural in other places of the world, and thus tolerated.

So wait... how does that equate to, and here I quote you from more than a few posts on this topic, "killing western society"?

So I point out that it's not in fact killing our society, and in fact our society is pretty much the same as it's been for a good long time and get "We never claimed that this behavior was tolerated HERE"

So what in the wide world of sports are you guys actually trying to argue? Moral Relativism is killing western society in a way that is unrelated to the topic of the article or any of the things brought up in the thread, in a way we can't quantify, show evidence of, or otherwise back up with anything other than some anonymous posts on the internet.

Jeez, must be a slow news day.

C'mon, mods, there must be something non-Muslim related you can post once in a while. I'm tired of watching this phoenix burn.



/pfooie

Tatsuma: The fact that people think they can't say anymore that ... having sex with underage girls is wrong because "they've been doing it for so long, it's their culture!" makes me sick.

Of course having sex with underage girls is wrong.

Of course, the age after which one is no longer considered underage varies greatly, so I guess the first statement isn't really that potent.

/17 in an 18+: horrible moral wrong
/17 in a 17+: A-OK!

Tatsuma As for Moral Relativism killing Western Civilization, it's not killing like a bullet to the head, but killing like a cigarette. It's a slow process that makes us rot from the inside, a slow descent into death and not something that just happens fast.

Oooh, I like that. Nice.

Hutterites already have their own court system in Canada: sentencing circles and such. If a Hutterite woman gets beaten on a Colony, and no one reports it, has she really been beaten?

I've met numerous Hutterites, the vats majority of them very good people, but they are human and I've seen Hutterite men display rage on a level that I wouldn't think is 'normal' in public.

glaurunge: Can't believe the farking Palestinians have the Chutzpah to remain in their homes when the border gets drawn around them, just like the filthy Mexicans, right?

Except that these "Palestinians" were immigrants from Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan who saw the economic opportunities for themselves and their families once the Jews moved back in numbers and turned that malaria-infested swamp into an oasis.

Tatsuma: As for Moral Relativism killing Western Civilization, it's not killing like a bullet to the head, but killing like a cigarette. It's a slow process that makes us rot from the inside, a slow descent into death and not something that just happens fast.

The Roman Empire took centuries to crumble unto itself

I'm sure your sense of morality is far superior to everyone else's, then.

Tatsuma: cameroncrazy1984: There weren't any Jews living in "what is now Israel." 100 years ago. Just ask Tatsuma he'll tell you "it was no-man's land!"

No, that's not what I'd say, but you're right, that was a pretty stupid post.

Eretz y'israel, correct? I didn't spend as much time studying the history prior to the 1940s as I would have liked during my Birthright trip...

Tatsuma: Cagey B: In any event, this is a far, far cry from a list of any of the people you can supposedly name. What you're doing is throwing out dubious sources to back up a claim that is being repeatedly discredited.

No, I'm talking about people who defend adults having sex with children as being cultural ("In Japan they don't see the way we do") or FGM ("They've been doing it for centuries, who are we to stop them?") etc..

Do you log into some imaginary Fark between posts where the threads are filled with pedophiles and Islamic extremists?

I'm glad you're talking about people who defend pedophilia and FGM. But here, back in the thread, we're talking about honor killings. And here, in this thread, you set up a legion of straw men that don't exist and then claimed that you could name them.

Rather than just admit that you were shooting your mouth off, you answer back to my posts with attempts to dissemble and pretend that the discussion is something else.

If you want to talk about something else, you go for it. But if you're going to respond to me, kindly stick to things that are actually relevant.

so let me get the ground rules of honor killing straight.
my brother cheats on his wife so should I kill him for my families honor?
or should her brother kill him for her families honor?

Tatsuma: Except that these "Palestinians" were immigrants from Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan who saw the economic opportunities for themselves and their families once the Jews moved back in numbers and turned that malaria-infested swamp into an oasis.

Aaaand these "Israelis" were...oh wait, immigrants from Europe who saw the economic opportunites for themselves and they created a state out of Muslim land.

Tastes Like Chicken: So wait... how does that equate to, and here I quote you from more than a few posts on this topic, "killing western society"?

I've already explained in earlier posts

OozoSoozo: there must be something non-Muslim related you can post once in a while

It's not the admins' fault if they produce so much farklite-worthy material

Koalaesq: Oooh, I like that. Nice.

Cheers

Real wonderful culture they have there...nice people.

I'd hardly call them a bunch of fu*ked-up, backwards, stone-age retards...

Phrase Of The Day
"Landing Brutal Kicks"

I really like the sound of that. Not the fact that this guy actually did that, as she was probably "violating the family's honour" by doing something that we take for granted.

Or maybe she was out trawling for cack. Still no reason to kill her. No matter how much I read about other cultures there are some things that I won't even attempt to understand.

Err, when they created not "and they created"

What an ass backwards, jerkwater waste of humanity. The middle east should be nuked off the face of the earth...

The best part of this page, IMO, is the ad right at the top:

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"Stay sane" indeed.

And the Religion of Peace(TM) strikes again!

Jon Snow: Honor killings are disgusting, and any religion or ideology that supports them should be done away with.

Seconded.

I like how people say Moral Relativism has been bringing down civilization over the last 50 years. We've had fewer wars, higher birth rates, increased standard of living. We'll live longer than our parents, enjoy more personal freedom than the last 4,800 years, not die from polio, scurvy, dysentery, smallpox, etc.

Fewer of us will be targeted for ethnic / religious cleansing, more of us are protected by the rule of law vs mob rule or tyranny, and life gets better than it was 10 years, 50 years, 100 years ago. The problems and difficulties we encounter today can be addressed and administered within our lifetimes. What a great time to be alive.

sigdiamond2000: I've never met anyone in my entire life who thinks any of those things are culturally permissible.

You must not hang out with anthropologists. I have friends that excuse all of this stuff as "part of a rich culture steeped in ancient traditions".

NYRBill: so let me get the ground rules of honor killing straight.
my brother sister cheats on his wife her husband so should I kill him her for my families honor?

I don't believe there is such a thing as a male honor killing...it's mostly against daughters and wives.

/Could be wrong.

Tatsuma: As for Moral Relativism killing Western Civilization, it's not killing like a bullet to the head, but killing like a cigarette. It's a slow process that makes us rot from the inside, a slow descent into death and not something that just happens fast.

The Roman Empire took centuries to crumble unto itself

I salute your troll-fu.

Sorthum: Eretz y'israel, correct? I didn't spend as much time studying the history prior to the 1940s as I would have liked during my Birthright trip...

Well, the name of the land is Eretz Yisrael, yes. And yeah, sadly, Birthright trips are not the greatest for study in depth.. You should try to see if you could spend at least a few weeks, or a summer, instead.

There are groups (and yeshivot) that organize such programs, they take you all over the country, seeing plenty of historical sites and museums, where you explore the history of Israel between the end of the 2nd Temple and the founding of the State

Incredibly interesting stuff

cameroncrazy1984: Aaaand these "Israelis" were...oh wait, immigrants from Europe who saw the economic opportunites for themselves and they created a state out of Muslim land.

Which part of "Jews came back" isn't clear?

And it wasn't Muslim land, it was a backwater and ignored province of the sick man of Europe. Al Aqsa was in complete disrepair, the Muslims never had a capital city in Jerusalem, they never cared for it much until the Jews came back

Tatsuma: When Islam makes it ok to beat up women in your family, and Islamic cleric tacitly or openly back honor killings, it has everything to do with Islam.

Hell yeah

Islam is a religion I do not practice nor do I understand completely. Muslims are different from me so I think they are less than me. I see myself as a non-practicing Protestant Christian but feel I have authority to speak for all Christians. Other Christians are white and safe. Other people of different religious backgrounds are dusky and scary. Jews are okay because of the Holocaust.

Tatsuma: Tommy Moo: Oh, also fark Islam.

Islam is supposedly against honor killings. I say supposedly, because you don't often hear clerics from the Middle-East talking against this publicly, but you often hear them about how much you can beat your wife, so I'm not sure.

KaponoFor3: Muslim "honor" killings -- something that moral relativists tell us we can't make moral judgments about and that cultural relativists tell us that the West can't criticize the culture that festers such acts. Pathetic.

Moral relativism is killing western society. The fact that people think they can't say anymore that cutting off the clitoris of a little girl, honor killings or having sex with underage girls is wrong because "they've been doing it for so long, it's their culture!" makes me sick.

You mean the kind of moral relativism that says it's wrong for Iraq to invade Kuwait, but perfectly legit for America to turn around and do the exact same thing to Iraq 12 years later?

Tatsuma: I've already explained in earlier posts

Insufficiently. You described it as being a slow process, but you still didn't address the jump between "We still don't tolerate it in Western Society" to "It's killing Western Society... albeit a little more slowly than my previous posts might have inclined you to believe."

So should i start learning Chinese or Arabic?

cameroncrazy1984: Aaaand these "Israelis" were...oh wait, immigrants from Europe who saw the economic opportunites for themselves and they created a state out of Muslim land.

And how did it become Muslim land? I'll give a hint: it involved years of violence by the Religion of Peace^(TM) against the natives.

Jon Snow: kronicfeld: Ah, yes, the old "moral relativism" canard, and the straw men who espouse it. Way to take down that imaginary enemy, you brave warriors.

No kidding. I love how attempting to unravel the environmental underpinnings of undesired behavior in order to stop it translates into acceptance of and support for those behaviors in some peoples' minds. Clearly the only morally acceptable solution is to ignore the causal factors at the societal level and relish the feelings of superiority and two minutes' hate these incidents engender.

That there was freaking GOLDEN. That is exactly what is ticking me off about this. I seriously could not have said it better.

Tatsuma: Kyosuke: No one says that. Excellent strawman attempt, though.

Uh, moral relativism certainly isn't essential to civilization.

And yes, there are plenty of people on Fark that I can name who said that cutting off the clitoris of a little girl, as long as it didn't happen in their own country, was fine because it was part of their culture, the same goes for honor killings and pedophilia.



Point to one, you lying sack of shiat. I wish you'd eat a Qassam.

Looks like the family is going to be charged with attempted murder of the girl. Then again that kind of raging stupidity tends to cure itself.

Ethics aside... you shoot a girl, and don't check to see if she is dead? Then you call the paramedics to boot to proclaim that you whacked her?

I guess he can look forward to sausage enemas in his near future.

HA! The religion of peace!

The only upside of things is that she survived. Must be a killer headache now though.

Tatsuma: Which part of "Jews came back" isn't clear?

And it wasn't Muslim land, it was a backwater and ignored province of the sick man of Europe. Al Aqsa was in complete disrepair, the Muslims never had a capital city in Jerusalem, they never cared for it much until the Jews came back

Which part of "Muslims never left" isn't clear? I might not keep up the property I own very well because I am poor, doesn't mean I don't still own it.