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2008-03-12 10:41:38 AM  
But it's so obviously evil!

Why does the Democrat Congress hate America?
 
2008-03-12 10:41:48 AM  
And Away we go...
 
2008-03-12 10:41:53 AM  
Shame on them.
 
2008-03-12 10:42:11 AM  
Don't mock drown me bro
 
2008-03-12 10:42:16 AM  
Do you feel safer now?
 
2008-03-12 10:42:19 AM  
www.mjsdisco.com
 
2008-03-12 10:42:24 AM  
Awesome, we now live in a country that openly condones torture.
 
2008-03-12 10:42:24 AM  
I would love to see what was the voting breakdown...
 
2008-03-12 10:42:28 AM  
"Mr. Speaker, I rise in somewhat reluctant support of this vote to override the President's veto of H.R. 2062, the Intelligence Authorization Act of 2008. Although I voted against this authorization when it first came to the floor, the main issue has now become whether we as a Congress are to condone torture as official U.S. policy or whether we will speak out against it. This bill was vetoed by the President because of a measure added extending the prohibition of the use of any interrogation treatment or technique not authorized by the United States Army Field Manual on Human Intelligence Collector Operations to the U.S. intelligence community. Opposing this prohibition is tantamount to endorsing the use of torture against those in United States Government custody.

"Mr. Speaker, we have all read the disturbing reports of individuals apprehended and taken to secret prisons maintained by the United States Government across the globe, tortured for months or even years, and later released without charge. Khaled al-Masri, for example, a German citizen, has recounted the story of his incarceration and torture by U.S. intelligence in a secret facility in Afghanistan. His horror was said to be simply a case of mistaken identity. We do not know how many more similar cases there may be, but clearly it is not in the interest of the United States to act in a manner so contrary to the values upon which we pride ourselves.

"My vote to override the President's veto is a vote to send a clear message that I do not think the United States should be in the business of torture. It is anti-American, immoral and counterproductive."

/yep, that was Ron Paul
//too late now!
 
2008-03-12 10:42:30 AM  
You know who else used 'enhanced interrogation techniques'?

They called it 'Verschärfte Vernehmung' (new window)
 
2008-03-12 10:42:42 AM  
Disgusting... just disgusting.
 
2008-03-12 10:43:02 AM  
Have they tried waterboarding? I hear that works well getting what you want.
 
2008-03-12 10:43:03 AM  
I think this thread should have the Benny Hill theme pumped into it somehow...
 
2008-03-12 10:43:38 AM  
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Approves.
 
2008-03-12 10:43:55 AM  
I wonder what's it's like to have to wipe the brown off your broken nose every time the stupidest man in public office stops short.
 
2008-03-12 10:43:56 AM  
Well, now no one in the country has any excuse to not know the true nature of our glorious and sanctimonious "leaders".

Is it time yet?
 
2008-03-12 10:44:04 AM  
Good. What else are our interrogators going to do when they need to get that information? American lives depend on this practice people.
 
2008-03-12 10:44:08 AM  
Could care less anymore... I'm leaving! Goodbye!
 
2008-03-12 10:44:12 AM  
How long until the police get to use this for civilian interrogation? Can they combine this with the taser for full effect?
 
2008-03-12 10:44:18 AM  
You know who else thought torture was a good state policy...
 
2008-03-12 10:44:20 AM  
It's just an implementation of "Freedom Lite".
 
2008-03-12 10:44:25 AM  
charlatan brown: Awesome, we now have always lived in a country that openly condones torture.

Welcome to every country in the history of the planet.

oh and FTFY
 
2008-03-12 10:44:40 AM  
Don't be naive people....regardless of what's "allowed" there will always be torture to extract information.
 
2008-03-12 10:44:45 AM  
it would be nice to see who voted for / against.

it also be intesrting to see how many side issues were attached to this bill.

I never understand how a bill can have so many added issues attached to it with nothing to do with the main issue.
 
2008-03-12 10:44:55 AM  
Anyone else remember being told that we had to kill Saddam because he uses torture?
 
2008-03-12 10:45:43 AM  
sirgrim: Have they tried waterboarding? I hear that works well getting what you want.

FTW
 
2008-03-12 10:45:44 AM  
UpstateMonkey: Don't be naive people....regardless of what's "allowed" there will always be torture to extract information.

Yes but it would be illegal.
 
2008-03-12 10:46:00 AM  
rjShadow: It's just an implementation of "Freedom Lite".

It does feel less filling!
 
2008-03-12 10:46:10 AM  
Dont worry farkers. I've got some help with teh popcorn.

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/It's kettle corn though...
 
2008-03-12 10:46:18 AM  
Memes Ate My Balls: Anyone else remember being told that we had to kill Saddam because he uses torture?


^THIS THIS THIS THIS
 
2008-03-12 10:46:50 AM  
What's next? Will we be a nation that condones elephant walks, panty raids? Oh the humanity, we are teh EVIL! Please love us Osama!
 
2008-03-12 10:46:52 AM  
The muslems cut heads off and don't obey any law either so who cares if we do it to terrusts thay get what they deserve becuase they want to kill us and if you disagree you are just a stupid lib who hates america this is the battle the Lord has chosen for us. Go America! I hope you hateful liberals who want to sell us out go the way of Rachel Corrie.
 
2008-03-12 10:46:59 AM  
Memes Ate My Balls: Anyone else remember being told that we had to kill Saddam because he uses torture?

Yes because making prisoners drink gasoline then shooting them is exactly the same as mock drowning them...

not to defend waterboarding, but seriously get a grip on reality
 
2008-03-12 10:47:09 AM  
Get over it.

We torture.

Your American ideals of the U.S. being the "good guys" is about 60 years outdated.


This is how things work.

See how far righteous indignation gets you geo-politically.
 
2008-03-12 10:47:20 AM  
Ammerrricaaa... FARK YEAH!
 
2008-03-12 10:47:34 AM  
Al Qaeda just sent us the fingers of four kidnapped Austrian tourists, but you guys make sure that Bushiatler doesn't pour water on anybody. That would be a real crime.
 
2008-03-12 10:47:35 AM  
Does anyone have a cogent argument against torture in the arena of terrorism (leaving out the problems with that definition) that isn't based primarily on "it's wrong"?

I'm not really in either camp, I'm just curious.
 
2008-03-12 10:47:38 AM  
tweekster: charlatan brown: Awesome, we now have always lived in a country that openly condones torture.

Welcome to every country in the history of the planet.

oh and FTFY


Operating word: "Openly"

Difference: legal vs. illegal
 
2008-03-12 10:47:51 AM  
from Wiki:

World War II
During World War II, Japanese troops, especially the Kempeitai, as well as the Gestapo,[31] the German secret police, used waterboarding as a method of torture.[32] During the Japanese occupation of Singapore the Double Tenth Incident occurred, this included waterboarding consisted of binding or holding down the victim on his back, placing a cloth over his mouth and nose, and pouring water onto the cloth. In this version, interrogation continued during the torture, with the interrogators beating the victim if he did not reply and the victim swallowing water if he opened his mouth to answer or breathe. When the victim could ingest no more water, the interrogators would beat or jump on his distended stomach.[33][34]




USA!!!!! USA!!!!!! USA! IM SO PROUD!!!!!!
 
2008-03-12 10:47:52 AM  
vernonFL: UpstateMonkey: Don't be naive people....regardless of what's "allowed" there will always be torture to extract information.

Yes but it would be illegal.


And that's stopped us before? And really, if we need to do it to get information out of a terrorist, so be it.
 
2008-03-12 10:48:31 AM  
1derful: Get over it.

We torture.

Your American ideals of the U.S. being the "good guys" is about 60 years outdated.


This is how things work.

See how far righteous indignation gets you geo-politically.


Do you honestly believe that right and wrong are irrelevant, and the government should do whatever necessary to strengthen the State?
 
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2008-03-12 10:48:32 AM  
I trust Cheney and our President and then Hillary to know who to torture.
 
2008-03-12 10:48:36 AM  
Memes Ate My Balls: Anyone else remember being told that we had to kill Saddam because he uses torture?

We had to kill Saddam because he tired to 'kill my daddy [incredulous snort]', and fight evil doers, mushroom clouds, and islamo-communist-nazis that want to swear on the Koran when taking public office. WMDs.
 
2008-03-12 10:48:43 AM  
FTA: The vetoed legislation would have limited the CIA to using only the 19 interrogation methods approved in the Army field manual. That guidebook bans the use of waterboarding, a technique that simulates drowning.

Ok, so... anyone know where I can find these 19 interrogation methods? Does George just want to round that up for an even 20?
 
2008-03-12 10:49:00 AM  
Just to be sure, wedgies and indian-burns are still legal too, right?
 
2008-03-12 10:49:06 AM  
i can't wait for the day that all the other countries start looking upon us the same way that everyone looked upon germany (granted, we did not find out about a majority of the atrocities until later in the war).
on the other side though, if a terrorist suspect is known to hold evidence of a major attack that will endanger a large amount of citizens (not 3,000, but many more), then i think we should do what it takes to get the info from him.

this is the catch 22 that i think most americans feel--constitution vs common sense.
 
2008-03-12 10:49:58 AM  
George W. Bush: "We Do Not Torture" (Except when we do). He isn't even trying to hide the lies anymore.

It is a sad day in America when we have lowered our standards to match the worst dictatorships in the world.
 
2008-03-12 10:49:59 AM  
joethorne.: Does anyone have a cogent argument against torture in the arena of terrorism (leaving out the problems with that definition) that isn't based primarily on "it's wrong"?

The intelligence you get by torturing someone isn't accurate?

People will say *anything* to stop from being tortured.
 
2008-03-12 10:50:01 AM  
joethorne.
Does anyone have a cogent argument against torture in the arena of terrorism (leaving out the problems with that definition) that isn't based primarily on "it's wrong"?
I'm not really in either camp, I'm just curious.


Ummm, how do you know it is terrorists that are being tortured?
 
2008-03-12 10:50:19 AM  
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