Am I the only one here who remembers "Hyperdrive Multipliers" from Star Wars: The Roleplaying Game? There was a chart that showed how many days/hours it took to get from one planet to another, and each ship would then multiply that by their hyperdrive.

The Millenium Falcon's was ".5" making it the "Fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy." But when the main hyperdrive was down, they had to make it to Bespin on their Hyperdrive Backup, which was x6, according to the RPG. All we need to do is figure out how far Bespin was from the Anoat system.

Anoat wasn't on the chart, but Hoth was, and Anoat had to be closeby. Anybody know where to find that chart? (Other than in the book, in a box, in my parent's garage, that is.)

So the real question is how many times did Jabba violate Leia with his... well whatever Hutt's have down south?

JSieverts: All of this specialized knowledge, yet not one of you can open a bra...sad...so very very sad

I wouldn't say that.Jedi's were the Catholic priests of the Old Republic. I have it on personal knowledge that Qui-Gon Jinn is entirely to blame for Anakin Skywalker going to the, uh... "dark side". Skywalker, now known throughout the galaxy as "Darth Vader" (total queen, too- always wears leather, always strangely alone), had a lot of repressed anger that he never got to confront Qui-Gon about. And you know what Her Royal Highness Yoda always said about anger- it leads to the Dark Side. Damn that Qui-Gon and his dirty Jedi mind tricks on the poor, unsuspecting Anakin... "Yes, Anakin, that is my light saber poking you through my pants".

If I were a Jedi, however, you can bet on black that I'd be abusing the force. I'd be force-tweaking nipples left and right, but the Jedi mind trick would be my personal favorite. "You've always wanted to make out with your twin sister". "You'll invite me in for a drink after our date. And put on some Barry White." Bow chicka wow.




/stolen

durbnpoisn: This: KRSESQ: But the Millenium Falcon's Hyperdrive wasn't working, remember? I assume that means they were limited to sublight travel.

Whoop, forgot. Either way, if top speed is "point five past light" and Star Wars wasn't several decades long, I'm thinking that all the planets of Star Wars are clustered realy, really, really close to each other. That is, the entire "Galaxy Far Far Away" is a handful of light-years on a side.

There are maps out there that show the size of the galaxy and the positions of the planets.
(do your own GIS, they are all over the place.)

The thing to understand is that Lucas had no understand of the terms used for astronomical distance, speed, travel, or pretty much anything else, when he wrote the first script. This is why there were so many stupid errors in the dialog. The two most famous are:
1. "She's the ship the made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs"

Which is totally nonsensical, unless he's referring to how he mapped his course. Which still wouldn't make sense because he was bragging about speed.

2. "She can do point 5 past light speed"

Which is nonsensical because nothing can travel past the speed of light. But, more importantly, they use hyperspace, which is a literally "folding" of space. It doesn't necessarily involve speed, or even travel. He was sort of speaking in terms of what was known as Warp Drive in another universe.
In any case, that was probably one of the most empty, useless, comments in the film. Unless you just blissfully suspend your need to make sense of it.

In any case... All such things must simply be thrown aside because they are minor to the story at large. If you start breaking down the lack of any physical sense to the science in Star Wars, you will never begin to enjoy the movies for what they were. Action, special effects, and great battles where no one ever seems to bleed.

Wouldn't a solid state laser just cauterize you?

mtman900: samimgreen: Certainly makes the world go 'round, for me, eh...

heh, everyone is free to do what they want.

It's my opinion that when guys fawn over intarweb girls in threads... it's pretty pathetic and just pushes the ladies away.

Unless, of course, it is done with humor or something. Then it's ok.

Hey, I tried the geek humor, you now, PI, go round *rolls eyes*

JSieverts: All of this specialized knowledge, yet not one of you can open a bra...sad...so very very sad

heh, I'm sure that your ability to snark an internet forum really makes you the guy with all of the chicks out there.

I'll have you know I've been able to take off a chick's bra in less than 12 parsecs

mtman900: JSieverts: All of this specialized knowledge, yet not one of you can open a bra...sad...so very very sad

heh, I'm sure that your ability to snark an internet forum really makes you the guy with all of the chicks out there.

I'll have you know I've been able to take off a chick's bra in less than 12 parsecs

I just make her do it while I'm getting the chains ready and am getting into my Jabba costume.

mtman900: Heh, I don't know, like I said earlier: anyone who looks to patch up all of Lucas's oversights is working too hard. But, I buy the whole black hole explanation, and kinda like it myself.

Hey, beats me. I think the viewer is supposed to know that Han isn't ignorant of what a parsec is... He's just full of it.

HAN
Fast ship? You've never heard of the
Millennium Falcon?

BEN
Should I have?

HAN
It's the ship that made the Kessel
run in less than twelve parsecs!

Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with
obvious misinformation.

NathanAllen: So the real question is how many times did Jabba violate Leia with his... well whatever Hutt's have down south?

The Hutts are hermaphrodites. They start off as males and become females when they wish to reproduce.

StubePT: So in essence, Luke was never really a master Jedi... he was just good enough to get the job that Ben and Yoda needed him to do. Of course, had the Emperor's trap worked (stupid Ewoks), that would have changed everything.....

read back in my comments... after Ep 5 Luke returned to Obi Wan's shack to find a Jedi manual, of sorts, booby trapped so only Luke could access it.

In it he found detailed training lessons, including how to construct a lightsaber. He spent a lot of time honing those talents, and his battle in Ep 6 reflected that.

GodLovesBeer:
durbnpoisn: ... If you start breaking down the lack of any physical sense to the science in Star Wars, you will never begin to enjoy the movies for what they were. Action, special effects, and great battles where no one ever seems to bleed.

Wouldn't a solid state laser just cauterize you?


I see your point there... Let me be more clear... Did you ever notice, that most of the people you see gunned down are either droids, stormtroopers, or clonetroopers? All equally faceless?

Not like there's anything wrong with it... I'm just saying, they were some of the most brutal fights in movies, all in all, yet thry didn't SEEM that violent. Even when Han shot that trooper in the head, it didn't make anyone wince.

digging around on the Wall Street Journal site and I came across an editorial about Gygax's passing. And it was purely positive. Sweet!

Link (new window)

samimgreen: I just make her do it while I'm getting the chains ready and am getting into my Jabba costume.

Industrious, but I don't think my girlfriend would go for it.

She's more interested in examining the incestuous and oh-so-sexually-wrong Luke/Leia angle.

/Who am I kidding
//My girlfriend hates Star Wars :(((((

sendtodave: Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with
obvious misinformation.

heh, that's actually a pretty funny way to examine it. I've never interpreted it that way before.

durbnpoisn:
Which is nonsensical because nothing can travel past the speed of light. But, more importantly, they use hyperspace, which is a literally "folding" of space. It doesn't necessarily involve speed, or even travel. He was sort of speaking in terms of what was known as Warp Drive in another universe.

I have to say it...a hyperdrive is not a warp drive. Warp drives "fold" space, while a hyperdrive enables a ship to enter hyperspace. It's an alternate dimension/universe/plane of existence that coincides with the normal universe, where the laws of physics aren't the same.

/I prefer planespace myself. 2D space travel is awesome.

Tell your sister... you were right...

Also, I've been dying to ask; is that my old astromech and the protocol droid I built?

durbnpoisn: I see your point there... Let me be more clear... Did you ever notice, that most of the people you see gunned down are either droids, stormtroopers, or clonetroopers? All equally faceless?

This pretty much made Episode 2 really difficult for me to watch. I saw it in the theaters 4 times with my girlfriend-at-the-time, who was just in it for Chewbacca.

The scene where all of the Jedi die... really depressed me. Something about the time those guys put into their peace-keeping skills, most killed by a droid manufactured in mere hours.

Also, how they were being duped. I know, it's just a movie, but the thought of that shiat is depressing.

3 days, 8 hours, and 23 minutes, including smoke breaks.

Doctor Funkenstein: Pxtl: I don't remember if he saw Ghost Kenobi before or after returning to Dagobah.

It was before but he was useless. He just pops up at Hoth and is like, "Hey, loopy-tits, get to Dagobah and check in with Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me." Flash forward, sweet-like-Sunkist Lucas empties Episode I out of his bowels and Kenobi is instructed by Qui Gon Jinn, not Yoda.

Kenobi was first trained by yoda as a child, but became padawan to Jinn.
Like all the other "younglings".

/so what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.

An El Sobrante Fortnight!

Definition of an "El Sobrante fortnight" is yet to be
determined. But reliable sources say the time span is
somewhere between two weeks and a decade.


Thanks again, Les!

wouldn't The Ghost Kenobis be a great band name?

QU!RK1019: Tell your sister... you were right...

Also, I've been dying to ask; is that my old astromech and the protocol droid I built?

Hey, is that that fat vampire from the first Blade?

honk: hiiamchris: The parsec is a unit of length, not time.

Yeah, we know. Han Solo's a little slow on it, though.

I had a hard time with that claim in the original movie until I read the Han Solo Trilogy. Making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs is indeed a measurement of distance, and an indication of how close he cut to the black holes of the Maw. This could only be done by an exceptionally brave* pilot with an exceptionally fast ship.

*or crazy

I've seen Eps. IV & V like 100 times, I've read almost every book, I have encyclopedias, so I can honestly say I'm an authority. And here's my authoritative answer...


...who gives a Sith?

This reminds me of a great joke...

If someone can tell me how long Luhe trained on Dagobah, I will tell you what a vagina feels like.

pendy575: This reminds me of a great joke...

If someone can tell me how long Luhe trained on Dagobah, I will tell you what a vagina feels like.

Because you are one?

Reminds of the old Steve Martin routine:

"OK, I don't like to gear my material to the audience but I'd like to make an exception because I was told that there is a convention of plumbers in San Francisco this week - I understand about 30 of them came down to the show tonight - so before I came out I worked-up a joke especially for the plumbers. Those of you who aren't plumbers probably won't get this and won't think it's funny, but I think those of you who are plumbers will really enjoy this...

This lawn supervisor was out on a sprinkler maintenence job and he started working on a Findlay sprinkler head with a Langstrom 7" gangly wrench. Just then, this little apprentice leaned over and said, "You can't work on a Findlay sprinkler head with a Langstrom 7" wrench." Well this infuriated the supervisor, so he went and got Volume 14 of the Kinsley manual, and he reads to him and says, "The Langstrom 7" wrench can be used with the Findlay sprocket." Just then, the little apprentice leaned over and says, "It says sprocket not socket!"

Were these plumbers supposed to be here this show? Or..."

hiiamchris: flixter: I think he was there for a few thousand parsecs.

The parsec is a unit of length, not time.

/just sayin

But Han passed through an area with a black hole cluster, thus making the Kessell Run in 12 parsecs would be quite a feat, as it was the shortest distance on record.

This: Whoop, forgot. Either way, if top speed is "point five past light" and Star Wars wasn't several decades long, I'm thinking that all the planets of Star Wars are clustered realy, really, really close to each other.

Or their scale is logarithmic, not linear, like the "warp factor" mess they use in Star Trek.

wage0048: honk: hiiamchris: The parsec is a unit of length, not time.

Yeah, we know. Han Solo's a little slow on it, though.

I had a hard time with that claim in the original movie until I read the Han Solo Trilogy. Making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs is indeed a measurement of distance, and an indication of how close he cut to the black holes of the Maw. This could only be done by an exceptionally brave* pilot with an exceptionally fast ship.

*or crazy

Damn it, beat me to it/

wage0048: honk: hiiamchris: The parsec is a unit of length, not time.

Yeah, we know. Han Solo's a little slow on it, though.

I had a hard time with that claim in the original movie until I read the Han Solo Trilogy. Making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs is indeed a measurement of distance, and an indication of how close he cut to the black holes of the Maw. This could only be done by an exceptionally brave* pilot with an exceptionally fast ship.

*or crazy

Ok, I know this explains it, but even still, it's some author trying to back their way into a plausible explanation... but it's canon now, no matter how ridiculous it might be.

samimgreen:
Hey, I tried the geek humor, you now, PI, go round *rolls eyes*

Well, at least I got it... :D

I GOT IT!
According to the Battle Zone Astrogation Gazetteer (which Fark won't let me link to), the trip from Hoth to Bespin is four hours with a Class One Hyperdrive.

Now, off to find what class of hyperdrive backup the Millennium Falcon had, and you will all have your answer!!!

Oh come on samim...that was damn funny. Not just funny...but damn funny.

pendy575: Oh come on samim...that was damn funny. Not just funny...but damn funny.

Nuh uh, cuz I touched one once, I was all like, COOTIES! and she was all like giggling, and I was all like, GOOSHY! and she was all like...

/I'd get out of my mom's basement if she hadn't locked the door from the outside and cut down the stairs.

AHA! Wookieepedia states that the Millennium Falcon's hyperdrive backup is a Class 10. Therefore, it took roughly 40 hours for them to reach Bespin!

rocinante721: I hosted a TFD on this.

Either Luke trained for about a week, or it took the Falcon about 6 months without Hyperdrive to get from detaching from the Imperial Cruiser to Cloud City, with the Fett in tow.

The latter would explain the time needed for Luke's proficiency to back-flip over logs & levitate crap, as well as to explain the decent pre-planning Vader had in order to ambush Han & Leia at Bespin.

/not subby
//some nerd said this is addressed in the non-canon SW fiction

ok, but...

Are we talking standard days?
What if a day on Dagobah is longer or shorter than an average day?
What if his training was 2 days, but 78 hours?

Question for the nerds....

Why didn't ObiWan recognize the droids when they met in A New Hope?


/seriously.

Dennis_Moore: Question for the nerds....

Why didn't ObiWan recognize the droids when they met in A New Hope?


/seriously.

They all look alike...

/oh no he din't!

by the time IV was made, ObiWan was drinking about 3 bottles of Arturian Brandy a day.....in fact, ObiWan is not a name, it is a description, it means drunken geezer

Nevermind, my idea doesn't work.

Han, Leia, Chewie, and 3PO leave Hoth, get chased by the Empire for, what, a day? (I'm being generous here... let's say they hid out in the space slug long enough to get some sleep.) Another two days later, and they're at Cloud City. It's hard to say how long they're there before being captured, but it's not really plausible to assume that if the Empire arrived right before they did, they would wait a while before springing the trap. So, probably captured the same day. Tortured the same day? Maybe, maybe not. But let's at least assume that Han gets frozen the next day.

That's only four days. Unfortunately, that doesn't match up for the three days, seventeen hours Luke needs to get from Hoth to Dagobah, and the one day, three hour trip from Dagobah to Bespin.

All I know is that being a nerd is so much damn fun.

Let's see.... assuming he wasn't really buff when he got there (can't tell because he was wearing long sleeves before), and how he seemed to have learned a lot from Yoda about fighting, shielding himself from hate, and meditating I'd say he was there at least a month but all other evidence points to like two or three days.

Star Wars nerd here:

Really, the only thing we have to go one to measure time in that movie would the fact that the Falcon is heading to the Bespin star system without a hyperdrive system. Naturally, Fett didn't follow them for over 5 years (average distance between stars is about 4 light years, and it's sublight that they're traveling), he would have eventually gotten bored, knocked out their sublight engines, hailed the Empire and hung around until the ship was pulled into the Super Star Destroyer.

So there had to have been some other form of FTL engine on the Falcon that was used. My personal theory is that hyperdrive is like a transwarp engine from 'Star Trek' and there's a standard warp engine. Kind of explains that line about how the Falcon can "...be at the other side of the Galaxy by now." in just a couple of hours. The transwarp/hyperdrive is used most of the time due to there being no Imperial Speed Limits in interstellar space. So, instead of just being able to hyerdrive somewhere, they had to take the slower 'warp engine', it would have taken several days, if not a week or two. Also, it would account for Fett being able to figure out where they were going, get the Empire there to wait for them, convince Lando to go along with it, and to get enough troops there and withdrawal all the ships before the Falcon arrived.

Luke's increase in his skills with the force were already visible in the beginning of 'Empire Strikes Back' when he pulled the light saber from the ice. It's possible that Ben was teaching him off an on, or Ben had a journal in his home for Luke to use (no dialog from the movies really will debate that Luke stayed away from Tattooine until the beginning of 'Return of the Jedi'. I think that there were some lessons that could only be taught by a teacher that was still living, something that Ben was not.

Time flies when you're havin fun...

samimgreen: digging around on the Wall Street Journal site and I came across an editorial about Gygax's passing. And it was purely positive. Sweet!

Link (new window)

Good find. It's a nice article.

That Slave Leah second from left, front row has some 60" hips.

Hot and all but dammn.

Dennis_Moore: Question for the nerds....

Why didn't ObiWan recognize the droids when they met in A New Hope?


/seriously.

Here is why (new window)

I'm sorry, the correct answer is who gives a sh*t

/FTW