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(YouTube) Video After finishing second in Sunday's "Kobalt Tools 500", Tony Stewart lets Goodyear know how great their tires perform   (youtube.com) divider line 143
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2008-03-10 07:10:15 AM  
Thanks, submitter.

I've been saying this for years. The same thing applies to their street tires. Goodyear tires are some of the worst tires you can put on a vehicle. They're noisy, provide poor wet weather traction and are prone to blowouts. I've had 5 tire failures with Goodyear tires and not one single failure with other brands.

When the Firestone tire fiasco broke, immediately following that story, a media story broke which claimed Goodyear was worse than Firestone. Goodyear responded with teams of lawyers and the story quickly died.
 
2008-03-10 07:29:51 AM  
Well - dunno - I've had Goodyears on some pretty nasty cars, Corvettes, Turbo Supras, and drove the crap out of them.
VERY hard driving.
No problems.
On the other hand my parents had a set that just peeled apart on their little Camry.
I think tires (except for Blizzaks) tend to be a crapshoot. I've driven on most of them and really have not found consistency in any of them (except for Blizzaks-as I said). The boys did seem to be doing a lot of wibble woobles on the track, tho.
 
2008-03-10 07:40:15 AM  
Anyone remember the Good Year/Hoosier "Tire War" of 1993?

RIP Neil Bonnett and Rodney Orr.
 
2008-03-10 07:55:12 AM  
Here's a transcript:

"Excuse, excuse, excuse. Excuse, second place, excuse."
 
2008-03-10 08:06:24 AM  
I wish Tony would stop mincing words and just speak his mind.
/Wonder how big the fine will be.
 
2008-03-10 08:13:51 AM  
Unshavenhelga: Here's a transcript:

"Excuse, excuse, excuse. Excuse, second place, excuse."


Bullshiat. Most of the top five are saying the same thing, just a little more diplomatically. Tony just calls them out a little harder. After where he started, I'm pretty sure 2nd is just fine with him. But I sure any reason to biatch about Smoke is all you need, Dick.
 
2008-03-10 08:23:40 AM  
Those tires were definitely crap. Cars were out there wrecking all by themselves. And only 13 cars on lead lap? Only the better drivers could drive on those tires.
 
2008-03-10 08:30:23 AM  
Every car was running on Goodyears, right? So every car and driver had equal "footing" in the race.

What next? biatch about the tracks not being under domes?
 
2008-03-10 08:31:19 AM  
Burninator!: Only the better drivers could drive on those tires.

As it should be.
 
2008-03-10 08:36:48 AM  
Kyosuke: Burninator!: Only the better drivers could drive on those tires.

As it should be.


Agreed and for the most part it was the better drivers in the top 10. But, that said, those tires were dangerous. And all tires, even from the same batch are NOT equal. You have to have a softer compound than what they used.
 
2008-03-10 08:47:14 AM  
Bullshiat. Most of the top five are saying the same thing, just a little more diplomatically. Tony just calls them out a little harder. After where he started, I'm pretty sure 2nd is just fine with him. But I sure any reason to biatch about Smoke is all you need, Dick.

I will give him credit for not blaming Goodyear for his inability to win. That said two months from now (and with a Goodyear fattened bank account) Tony the whiner will be probably be doing commercials from the blimp.

/Goodyear tires = overpriced crap
//Love my Michelins
 
2008-03-10 08:47:42 AM  
Kyosuke: Every car was running on Goodyears, right? So every car and driver had equal "footing" in the race.

What next? biatch about the tracks not being under domes?


Actually, boy, they were concerned about their own safety and the safety of the other drivers. Since everyone had them, everyone was prone to spinning out randomly and causing a huge wreck.
 
2008-03-10 08:51:04 AM  
HulkHands: Actually, boy, they were concerned about their own safety and the safety of the other drivers. Since everyone had them, everyone was prone to spinning out randomly and causing a huge wreck.

You mean they actually had to control their race cars, rather than just pushing the throttle to the floor all the way around the track?!?! No wonder they were having problems.
 
2008-03-10 08:56:04 AM  
Just goes to show: it's an exhibition, not a sport.
 
2008-03-10 09:04:38 AM  
Unshavenhelga: "Excuse, excuse, excuse. Excuse, second place, excuse."

No, actually he said he was amazed he was able to make it to second place.
 
2008-03-10 09:08:46 AM  
friendinpa: I will give him credit for not blaming Goodyear for his inability to win. That said two months from now (and with a Goodyear fattened bank account) Tony the whiner will be probably be doing commercials from the blimp.

/Goodyear tires = overpriced crap
//Love my Michelins


Don't think that will happen they have had a hate/hate relationship for many years. And again with the whining bit, gets old dude. Nobody can say what the feel without being called a whiner? Geez, in a place where they are called robots very often, I would think that you would want that.

OregonVet: Just goes to show: it's an exhibition, not a sport.

Maybe not a sport, but sure as fark is NOT an exhibition. Too much money on the line.
 
2008-03-10 09:22:11 AM  
Don't think that will happen they have had a hate/hate relationship for many years. And again with the whining bit, gets old dude. Nobody can say what the feel without being called a whiner? Geez, in a place where they are called robots very often, I would think that you would want that.

Look, I like Smoke but his act is what's getting old. When he does not win he acts like a petulant child and while perhaps not directly blaming anyone he will biatch about something after every race. Other drivers, the track, the car, the garage, NASCAR, there is always someone that is making his life unnecessarily difficult. Why do you think the reporters run to him after a race?

Of course the drivers should say what they think and how they feel it, but there are many ways to state your thoughts and feelings and Smoke knows only one of them.

It was mentioned above that most if not all drivers had something to say about the tires, and most of them addressed the problem honestly and tactfully. You understood exactly what they meant and they walked away looking professional.
 
2008-03-10 09:28:32 AM  
Oregon Vet
Just goes to show: it's an exhibition, not a sport.

How do you figure that from bad tires? How many footballs are used in a NFL game? Baseballs sometimes last one pitch, bats shatter. If a pro even has a bad feeling about a tennis ball it will not be used. Since when in sports is the equipment perfect?
 
2008-03-10 09:29:13 AM  
 
2008-03-10 09:31:48 AM  
Kyosuke: You mean they actually had to control their race cars, rather than just pushing the throttle to the floor all the way around the track?!?! No wonder they were having problems.

There's a subtlety here that you are obviously not grasping. The tires were so hard and slick, the drivers said they couldn't race with other cars or think about going side by side. They were all basically out there battling their own tires and trying not to cause a wreck by themselves. That's extreme poor handling, whereas normally they would have a lot more comfort room to race. The drivers are always "controlling" their cars, but these tires made them almost uncontrollable. Anybody who watched the race would have seen that.
 
2008-03-10 09:53:27 AM  
friendinpa:

Guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Maybe I'm a little prejudiced, have followed the guy since before the IRL days. I just don't think that he is any different than any other driver. If you don't win, it is always the car setup, the tires, the track, the wind, something else. I haven't seen too many guys say, "I drove like shiat today". I have seen him be happy with a 2nd or 5th. Some people will always see a reason as an excuse. Will be interested in tonights Sirius show though.
 
2008-03-10 10:07:34 AM  
lunchinlewis: There's a subtlety here that you are obviously not grasping.

What, the "subtlety" of having tire adhesion be one of the factors that limits a racecar's speed? Every other form of auto racing in the world deals with it, why can't they?

OMG, they might have to slow in the corners, and rely on their talent to keep their cars from breaking free.
 
2008-03-10 10:14:09 AM  
Stewart whines about something after every race.
 
2008-03-10 10:17:42 AM  
What I'm mostly surprised about is how Jr. didn't wreck. It looked like he was racing on ice coming out of 2 and 4. Guy must've taken a drift class or something.
 
2008-03-10 10:18:48 AM  
www.americaremembers.com

well cry me a hairspray river, eloise
 
2008-03-10 10:19:34 AM  
Kyosuke: OMG, they might have to slow in the corners, and rely on their talent to keep their cars from breaking free.

Actually, a tire can only take so much friction/grip. Braking adds to the friction, which is why you aren't supposed to brake while turning.
 
2008-03-10 10:20:35 AM  
OregonVet: Just goes to show: it's an exhibitionexpedition, not a sport.

ftfy
 
2008-03-10 10:21:25 AM  
HulkHands: Actually, a tire can only take so much friction/grip. Braking adds to the friction, which is why you aren't supposed to brake while turning.

I'm well aware. Thank you for the quick physics lesson.
 
2008-03-10 10:21:55 AM  
Kyosuke: Every other form of auto racing in the world deals with it, why can't they?

Thanks for the update! Every form of racing also requires a tire compound suited for the HP/weight ratio of the cars, among other things. The tire they brought didn't stick. So the race ended up being more about controlling the cars and not spinning out than racing against the competition. Goodyear can do better.

Seriously, did you watch the race, and if so, did you enjoy that type of racing?
 
2008-03-10 10:25:51 AM  
Kyosuke: lunchinlewis: There's a subtlety here that you are obviously not grasping.

What, the "subtlety" of having tire adhesion be one of the factors that limits a racecar's speed? Every other form of auto racing in the world deals with it, why can't they?

OMG, they might have to slow in the corners, and rely on their talent to keep their cars from breaking free.


Bet you're an F1 fan, so let me make this real simple for you. Yesterday was NASCAR's version of F1 at Indy a few years ago, only the race went on, was competitive, and there was passing.
 
2008-03-10 10:26:13 AM  
Stewart is just asking for better tires, and has been doing so (along with other drivers) for quite some time.

At least they're not some sort of quitters when they have problems with adhesion and should just slow down in the corners, like "every other from of auto racing":
http://www.inforally.sibiul.ro/formula1-news-606-tyre_boycott_set_to_kill_f1_usa .html
 
2008-03-10 10:26:54 AM  
A bad tire can change the handling characteristics to be less forgiving. It might not just be overall tire adhesion.
 
2008-03-10 10:30:20 AM  
Joe

It's cool, I have followed him for awhile too, although admittedly not pre-IRL. Back in the day it was kind of cool, he was young, brash and wicked good. IMHO if you have been around as long as he has and just happen to be a former series champion it is probably time to grow up a little and start acting like a professional. The brash young outsider routine only works if you are young and an outsider.
 
2008-03-10 10:30:48 AM  
This problem would be solved if they all switched to flying cars.
 
2008-03-10 10:32:56 AM  
Kyosuke: lunchinlewis: There's a subtlety here that you are obviously not grasping.

What, the "subtlety" of having tire adhesion be one of the factors that limits a racecar's speed? Every other form of auto racing in the world deals with it, why can't they?

OMG, they might have to slow in the corners, and rely on their talent to keep their cars from breaking free.


Well Einstein, having a SET of bad tires happens to most drivers, but EVERYONE have shiatty tires is a different matter. Sure Tony is normally a whiney biatch, but this time, he has a valid point. As someone pointed out earlier, watching Dale Jr come out of 2 and 4 was creepy, it WAS like he was driving on ice. And ask Matt Kenseth what he thought of the tires after his 3rd (and final) spin out. Get a clue before you say words, you might not come off looking so ignorant next time.

/amazed at the lack of "hillbilly's turning left" posts
 
2008-03-10 10:35:50 AM  
Shattersoul: /amazed at the lack of "hillbilly's turning left" posts

I handled them in another thread today. Good times.
 
2008-03-10 10:37:43 AM  
Kyosuke: I'm well aware.

Yet you claim they need to slow in the corners. so you claim to have this knowledge, but you sure aren't applying it.
 
2008-03-10 10:42:59 AM  
Unshavenhelga: Here's a transcript:

"Excuse, excuse, excuse. Excuse, second place, excuse."


He specifically goes out of the way not to blame the tires for his getting 2nd place. Also, the #1 car was using Goodyear too.
 
2008-03-10 10:44:29 AM  
I only caught about the last 40 laps of yesterday's race, but has anyone mentioned the track conditions/weather in terms of the effect it might have on grip? They had rain and snow the day before in Atl, which certainly would make the track pretty green, and the air temperature was only in the 60s. If Goodyear brought the same tire they had the last time they ran at Atlanta, and there was no rubber down on the track, and track temps were abnormally low, traction would be a problem, no?

Oh, and Tony Stewart is a whiny little biatch. I've started cheering for Kyle Busch, just because anybody who pisses off TS is ok in my book.
 
2008-03-10 10:45:57 AM  
This shouldn't be cast as loudmouth Tony Stewart yet again venting. Everybody was being outspoken and blasting the tires, including Earnhardt and Gordon. And the latter two will probably get Goodyear's -- and NASCAR's -- attention.
 
2008-03-10 10:46:28 AM  
I understand why the cars need the best tires possible... You have to give the only athlete on that 'sport' the best equipment possible.
 
2008-03-10 10:47:21 AM  
Unshavenhelga: Here's a transcript:

"Excuse, excuse, excuse. Excuse, second place, excuse."


I'm not defending him, but he was trashing Goodyear before the race, too.
 
2008-03-10 10:50:42 AM  
The last of the non-corporate shills in NASCAR.
 
2008-03-10 10:51:01 AM  
Stewart would know. He's raced just about anything and everything on any and every surface known to racers.
 
2008-03-10 10:51:04 AM  
hugram: I understand why the cars need the best tires possible... You have to give the only athlete on that 'sport' the best equipment possible.

Remember when the NBA tried that microfiber basketball a while back, and it sucked so bad and everyone complained and they switched back? It's kinda like that.

/If your baseball bat breaks, you get a new one
//If your tire blows, you hit a wall at 150 mph
 
2008-03-10 10:55:15 AM  
Okay, Stewart haters, shut it. There are some very important things that you obviously aren't getting.

1) Atlanta is the FASTEST track NASCAR races at except for Daytona or Talledega, and the cars can go faster at Atlanta because it's not a restrictor plate track.

2) Stewart never once complained about not winning. He in fact said he had no idea how he managed to finish second, and thanked his team for that.

3) When you are driving 200+ mph, and can't control your car because the tires are too slick, that's a problem. Mainly, because there's always the possibility that someone could GET KILLED.

4) Had safety nazi Jeff Burton said something, you guys wouldn't be batting an eyelash. But because Stewart called Goodyear out for being dumbfarks and possibly getting someone seriously injured, you decide to get pissy.

5) Remember, Stewart was in two HARD crashes last weekend, and was probably extremely worried that he was going to get hurt worse because of Goodyear's farkup. If someone had endangered MY safety in a wreckless manner, I'd let them have it also.
 
2008-03-10 10:58:36 AM  
BunkyBrewman: Stewart would know. He's raced just about anything and everything on any and every surface known to racers.

I don't know much about racing, but I get that vibe that he would race soapbox carts on Saturdays if he could. The dude just loves racing.

Didn't he do the Indy 500 and another race on the same day once? And it didn't seem to be just a PR thing.
 
2008-03-10 10:58:40 AM  
Con_Authority: I've had 5 tire failures with Goodyear tires and not one single failure with other brands.

Apparently, you are as smart as Tony Stewart.
 
2008-03-10 10:58:57 AM  
www.hoosiertire.com
 
2008-03-10 11:00:19 AM  
Joe Moneybags McBigCock:
Nobody can say what the feel without being called a whiner? Geez, in a place where they are called robots very often, I would think that you would want that.

There's a difference between saying what you feel and what Tony Stewart does every farking week. I'd swear he was menopausal. The guy is a fat asshole.
 
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