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2008-03-09 08:44:18 PM  
The article title: "Another contender emerges in DVD-format war"

From the article: "We shall not rekindle the format war."


STOP THE MADNESS
 
2008-03-09 08:45:26 PM  
www.chicagotribune.com

I can see how that would cost less than Blu-ray. I'll go right out and buy one.
 
2008-03-09 08:50:57 PM  
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: MADNESS

www.aolcdn.com

/couldn't help it
 
2008-03-09 08:52:07 PM  
From TFA: Although he has yet to approach the studios...

It's over, man. Without movie distribution it's going to be dead in the water. HD-DVD, BluRay, hell- we have both. But nobody is going to want to purchase a new format that has no studio support.
 
2008-03-09 09:14:17 PM  
Blue lasers v. red lasers? Great, now they are inserting politics into every farking thing.
 
2008-03-09 09:31:43 PM  
The companies always have to get greedy and create these format wars instead of just making one kind. And people like CtrlAltDelete are left holding a worthless HD-DVD player at the end. I didn't buy either, but you would think after so many of this type, they would figure it out.
 
2008-03-09 10:00:41 PM  
ukiah: The companies always have to get greedy and create these format wars instead of just making one kind. And people like CtrlAltDelete are left holding a worthless HD-DVD player at the end. I didn't buy either, but you would think after so many of this type, they would figure it out.

It's about royalties. The winners make money, and the losers have to pay.
 
2008-03-09 10:38:55 PM  
lordargent: The winners make money, and the losers have to pay.

Sony really is screwed on Blu-Ray. A portion of the purchase price of a PS3 goes to the Blu-Ray group. They personally paid hundreds of millions of dollars to studios to get them to adopt, and they took a big hit on a Cell chip manufacturing plant when they sold it to Toshiba. It's a case of 'Yay, we won!.......crap.'
 
2008-03-09 11:17:44 PM  
ukiah: The companies always have to get greedy and create these format wars instead of just making one kind. And people like CtrlAltDelete are left holding a worthless HD-DVD player at the end. I didn't buy either, but you would think after so many of this type, they would figure it out.

Oh, I knew what I was getting into, don't get me wrong. It was dead when I bought it. BestBuy had a deal where I could get The Matrix boxed set, an HD-DVD player for the XBox 360, The Zodiac, Elizabeth: The Golden Age, Children of Men, American Gangster and a couple others all for something like $100. I already had an HD-DVD player on my computer tower (came with it, I didn't ask for it) but for $45 Grandma could have it on the big screen too.

I like movies and I'm poor.

I like firesales.
 
2008-03-09 11:40:29 PM  
Damnit, it's like watching the Clintons campaign.
 
2008-03-09 11:46:20 PM  
Another contender emerges in DVD-format war

Uh, not really. Without studios, which includes Sony, forget it.

Solomon dissents. "Our idea is to create a player that people can afford. There is room for the two of us."

Sure, people who don't want to watch movies may buy your device, but nobody else. I don't care how cheap it is, it's still going to be a fairly expensive paper weight and that isn't going to be successful in the long run.
 
2008-03-09 11:54:32 PM  
People are tired of this crap.

Blu-Ray is it, and prices are going top drop very fast now that they have the market cornered.

I am sure many people like myself have gone out already and gotten a blu-ray now that they are sure that it's beat out HD-DVD.

This company will fail.
 
2008-03-10 12:01:25 AM  
Blu-Ray is it, and prices are going top drop very fast now that they have the market cornered.

What kind of business theory is that? Seems backwards to whats happened with monopolies in general. No competition, hmm lets charge less since there is no other alternative for the consumer.
 
2008-03-10 12:06:03 AM  
Fark Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and HD-whatever this is.

Gimme a full on-demand HD library now!
 
2008-03-10 12:06:21 AM  
Actually, there are several formats in existence that are up against Blu-ray Disc.

China's Enhanced Versatile Disc is one such contender. Jointly developed between the Chinese and New York state based On2 Technologies, it uses a traditional 4.5GB or 9.1GB DVD disc while utilizing On2's proprietary VP5 and VP6 video codecs.

Taiwan's Forward Versatile Disc is another contender. It uses a slightly modified DVD (narrower track pitch, optional third layer, up to 15GB in capacity) in combination with Microsoft's WMV9 video codec.

Both were created for local markets as a way to reduce the outflow of money to foreign IP holders as well as aiding local manufacturers.

Versatile Multilayer Disc sounds like it is similar to FVD in that it uses a slightly different track pitch and more layers combined with better compression codecs. Of course the suck part of that is that you can't burn your own FVD or VMD movies with generic DVD±R drives like you can with EVD. Heck, even both HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc have subversions for using regular DVD and DVD±R media.

Honestly, the price of Blu-ray disc is already coming down to the point that this technology is almost too late. Forward momentum is already carrying it forward in Japan, US/Canada and Europe. This format might do well in central and southeast Asia, Africa and South America, but only if it can beat EVD, FVD and BRD.
 
2008-03-10 12:09:31 AM  
Headline implied I already thought about it once.
 
2008-03-10 12:11:47 AM  
Dinjiin: China's Enhanced Versatile Disc is one such contender. Jointly developed between the Chinese and New York state based On2 Technologies, it uses a traditional 4.5GB or 9.1GB DVD disc while utilizing On2's proprietary VP5 and VP6 video codecs.

Taiwan's Forward Versatile Disc is another contender. It uses a slightly modified DVD (narrower track pitch, optional third layer, up to 15GB in capacity) in combination with Microsoft's WMV9 video codec.


How can they be contenders if no one has heard of them? Just from reading what you've written, they don't look like contenders at all, more like pretenders.
 
2008-03-10 12:23:14 AM  
CtrlAltDelete: I like movies and I'm poor.

No kidding. I've been buying HD-DVD movies like mad from Amazon and Best Buy. I bought an extra player in case my current one dies and I can't find a replacement for $99. Oh man.. get Planet Earth on HD-DVD or BR. That's one heck of a demo for HD...

I could care less if "it's not supported". These movies are on HD now, and they play now and won't stop playing. Besides, most of them are hybrid discs, and will play in ordinary DVD players too (which Blu-Ray can't do).
 
2008-03-10 12:24:31 AM  
hitmanric: Blu-Ray is it, and prices are going top drop very fast now that they have the market cornered.

What kind of business theory is that? Seems backwards to whats happened with monopolies in general. No competition, hmm lets charge less since there is no other alternative for the consumer.


Amazon price cuts some Blu-ray titles to $14.95
 
2008-03-10 12:25:34 AM  
Tobin_Lam: How can they be contenders if no one has heard of them? Just from reading what you've written, they don't look like contenders at all, more like pretenders.


They're not really primary contenders in Europe, Japan or N America. In those markets, they may end up as secondary formats for people who purchase imports, not unlike the Video CD (VCD) or Super Video CD (SVCD) support that your DVD player most likely has.

Again, I see them being big (maybe) in their country of inception as well as the poorer markets I described above.

I mean, if a Blu-ray player is 50 head of oxen and two of your daughters as opposed to only 30 head of oxen, 5 chickens and your most fugly daughter for VMD, which would you go for?
 
2008-03-10 12:26:21 AM  
Dinjiin: I mean, if a Blu-ray player is 50 head of oxen and two of your daughters as opposed to only 30 head of oxen, 5 chickens and your most fugly daughter for VMD, which would you go for?

Depends. Is the ox hot?
 
2008-03-10 12:35:04 AM  
Oh man, a whole hundred bucks less than blu-ray and almost 20 movies available!?!?

You anti-Sony guys are in luck!

ROOTKIT 4-EVA BABY
 
2008-03-10 12:35:18 AM  
xtex: Is the ox hot?

i4.photobucket.com


/PBF FTW
 
2008-03-10 12:35:58 AM  
I think 'Unlikely' is the tag more suited for this article.
 
2008-03-10 01:08:16 AM  
Dinjiin: Actually, there are several formats in existence that are up against Blu-ray Disc.

China's Enhanced Versatile Disc is one such contender. Jointly developed between the Chinese and New York state based On2 Technologies, it uses a traditional 4.5GB or 9.1GB DVD disc while utilizing On2's proprietary VP5 and VP6 video codecs.


Did you actually read your link? Looks more like an attempt to create DVDs without having to pay license fees. That, and it's DOA.
 
2008-03-10 01:15:34 AM  
EbolaNYC: Blu-Ray is it, and prices are going top drop very fast now that they have the market cornered.

Maybe for consumers, but since January the prices for Blu-ray authoring tools have increased 15%.
 
2008-03-10 01:30:50 AM  
Handsome B. Wonderful: Did you actually read your link? Looks more like an attempt to create DVDs without having to pay license fees. That, and it's DOA.

Yeah, it sounds as if EVD was developed in order to avoid having Chinese citizens paying high royalty costs to Japanese and American IP holders. They managed to cut a favorable licensing deal with On2, so they went with them instead.

Of course, there have been rumors that EVD was designed as a bluff in order to negotiate lower IP fees for DVD and Blu-ray players and media for the Chinese market. Not sure how well it has worked.

As for the players themselves, I keep reading that it's an on again, off again affair. Maybe when HD televisions fall below a specific price point, it'll pick up again. Fark knows what the Chinese are thinking.

As for FVD, I think it is just a way for the Taiwanese to say "fark you" to the Japs and mainland China. I really have not heard much about it other than of its existence.
 
2008-03-10 02:35:45 AM  
JerseyTim: Fark Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and HD-whatever this is.

Gimme a full on-demand HD library now!


I'm with this. I don't want a BluRay player b/c I don't purchase movies. I watch them once and then I'm done. I also don't like having to go out and rent a movie only to return it later (or rent it online and wait for it to be mailed to me)

Just lemme stream the damn thing in HD. Comcast has a few HD On-Demand titles but they could use a lot more. They're $7 each but compared to the startup costs of BluRay and then a $4 rental fee, $7 for On-Demand is pretty reasonable. No new equipment to purchase, instantaneous viewing, and you never leave the couch.

Just asking here...what do you guys do with movies you buy? How often do you watch them?
 
2008-03-10 03:41:08 AM  
Blu-Ray won. It has the backing of all the major content providers. These late comers are just pissing in the wind.
 
2008-03-10 04:12:28 AM  
"We do not intend to take on Blu-ray," said Shirly Levich

Fail Subby.
 
2008-03-10 06:34:15 AM  
Most worthless technology ever. By the time they even get any steam, BluRay prices will have already dropped down to a level everyone could accept; with a much higher audio and video standard in BluRay, there would be no reason to use that company's tech.

Also, their PR guy needs to be fired for not knowing the basics of sales. Unless you are selling at a loss, you never EVER let your customers or distributors know your true costs.

Paraphrased FTFA:
begins with - 'Ours sells for $199'
talks about - 'engineers in Shanghai'
ends with - 'we could sell our player for $90 and still make a profit'.

Holy hell. FLAMINGFACEPALMOFFURY.JPG


/me sits back and waits for butthurt HD DVD owners to take snipes at Sony just because
 
2008-03-10 07:27:39 AM  
kntgsp: "We do not intend to take on Blu-ray," said Shirly Levich

Fail Subby.


I came here to say this =)
It's not much of a DVD "war" if they aren't even taking each other on
 
2008-03-10 07:34:09 AM  
ChicagoJohn: JerseyTim: Fark Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and HD-whatever this is.

Gimme a full on-demand HD library now!

I'm with this. I don't want a BluRay player b/c I don't purchase movies. I watch them once and then I'm done. I also don't like having to go out and rent a movie only to return it later (or rent it online and wait for it to be mailed to me)

Just lemme stream the damn thing in HD. Comcast has a few HD On-Demand titles but they could use a lot more. They're $7 each but compared to the startup costs of BluRay and then a $4 rental fee, $7 for On-Demand is pretty reasonable. No new equipment to purchase, instantaneous viewing, and you never leave the couch.

Just asking here...what do you guys do with movies you buy? How often do you watch them?




Well, for all of us filmophiles, we like to collect movies. Having a physical copy of the movie is something special to us, regardless of how often we actually watch the movie. I have both formats, and I'm stocking up on HD DVDs now since they're so cheap. Betamax of the 21st century, wooooo!
 
2008-03-10 08:58:01 AM  
Subby here: 1st greenlight in, well, ever... Not for lack of trying.

My $.02 on this is: With my tax refund and upcoming tax 'rebate' I am buying a Sony 42" HD tv and the matching Blu-Ray player from the Sony Outlet center in the Pleasant Prairie Outlet mall. I have seen both in play, and quite frankly I havent seen any difference in quality.

Why then am I going with Blu-ray? I prefer Sony equipment. Thats the whole reason. I have a Sony Home theater, and have had nothing bad to say about it.

I also have inherited about 50 Blu-ray DVDs from a friend who got killed by a drunk driver, but that doesnt have anything to do with it.
 
2008-03-10 09:21:23 AM  
atheist1295: ChicagoJohn: JerseyTim: Fark Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and HD-whatever this is.

Gimme a full on-demand HD library now!

I'm with this. I don't want a BluRay player b/c I don't purchase movies. I watch them once and then I'm done. I also don't like having to go out and rent a movie only to return it later (or rent it online and wait for it to be mailed to me)

Just lemme stream the damn thing in HD. Comcast has a few HD On-Demand titles but they could use a lot more. They're $7 each but compared to the startup costs of BluRay and then a $4 rental fee, $7 for On-Demand is pretty reasonable. No new equipment to purchase, instantaneous viewing, and you never leave the couch.

Just asking here...what do you guys do with movies you buy? How often do you watch them?



Well, for all of us filmophiles, we like to collect movies. Having a physical copy of the movie is something special to us, regardless of how often we actually watch the movie. I have both formats, and I'm stocking up on HD DVDs now since they're so cheap. Betamax of the 21st century, wooooo!


People said the same thing about CD's. Look what iTunes did to those people. No one buys CD's anymore, it's a waste of time and money. Stores can't compete with the price of downloading things. Soon movies will be like this and BD will be put into the closet with the Beta-max and Mini-disc players.
 
2008-03-10 09:34:14 AM  
carbonxe: atheist1295: ChicagoJohn: JerseyTim: Fark Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and HD-whatever this is.

Gimme a full on-demand HD library now!

I'm with this. I don't want a BluRay player b/c I don't purchase movies. I watch them once and then I'm done. I also don't like having to go out and rent a movie only to return it later (or rent it online and wait for it to be mailed to me)

Just lemme stream the damn thing in HD. Comcast has a few HD On-Demand titles but they could use a lot more. They're $7 each but compared to the startup costs of BluRay and then a $4 rental fee, $7 for On-Demand is pretty reasonable. No new equipment to purchase, instantaneous viewing, and you never leave the couch.

Just asking here...what do you guys do with movies you buy? How often do you watch them?



Well, for all of us filmophiles, we like to collect movies. Having a physical copy of the movie is something special to us, regardless of how often we actually watch the movie. I have both formats, and I'm stocking up on HD DVDs now since they're so cheap. Betamax of the 21st century, wooooo!

People said the same thing about CD's. Look what iTunes did to those people. No one buys CD's anymore, it's a waste of time and money. Stores can't compete with the price of downloading things. Soon movies will be like this and BD will be put into the closet with the Beta-max and Mini-disc players.


Yes, but downloading an album of mp3s is roughly 100mb. To download a full HD (not a compressed piece of shiat) movie would be around 30gb. There's a bit of a difference there...
 
2008-03-10 09:37:28 AM  
carlos_1987: I came here to say this =)
It's not much of a DVD "war" if they aren't even taking each other on


Read the next paragraph.

They will pretty much be taking each other on. They're not going to undercut the price of BD by much, and it's a proprietary format. BD players will get cheaper and so will movies.

TFA doesn't even say how much the discs will cost. It just talks about the price of the player, which will go down. If the discs are the same price, then what's the point? If the discs are cheaper, you're still going to have trouble unless you make hybrid players (which shouldn't be hard....)
 
2008-03-10 09:43:13 AM  
By the time they even get any steam, BluRay prices will have already dropped down to a level everyone could accept

Will they now? Think again... the costs on players will level out for the next year or so (and possibly spike upwards before xmas so they can 'drop' for sale prices). Media is definately not coming down for several years and is likely to go up now that Sony subsidies are drying up like a desert after the rain... disc pressers are scrambling for funding in a tightening economy to afford conversion and the few pleaces that put in partial or full conversions to support BR hadn't even finished paying for their DVD lines yet... the physical media cost may drop a smidge (though it's about as low as it is going to get according to experts, at lease for the next 3 years or so until more production capabilities are online and the costs spread out more), but repro/press costs are not going down any time soon and it's likely there may even be a big spike upwards as some of these overwhelemed companies fold because they can't afford the xpensive BR upgrades required (and some are still paying off DVD equipment!!).

On the whole BR player and media costs will be far higher than standard def DVD for at least a year, perhaps as long as 3 years. And the next gen formats are already being discussed and demoed at a high level! BR/HDVD and the like may be an interim solution at best, a stepping stone for the well to do with disposable income. Heck, the bulk of sets globally are still standard def! And who knows what will happen to those numbers if a US or perhaps global recession (or worse) takes hold for any length of time... and one should also bear in mind just how long it took DVD to kill of VHS - how long will it take BR on the best of terms, which it isn't, to kill DVD off?
 
2008-03-10 09:43:35 AM  
This "format war" amuses me to no end. Back in the VHS v. Betamax (vs. Laserdisc) days, consumers could only get their entertainment via tapes or the aforementioned discs. If they wanted to see, for example, "Gone With the Wind," they could only stroll down to their local video barn and rent it.

Now, there are a lot of choices of formats and I'll agree, both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD look really nice, especially for action films. But what a lot of people (and most of the media) are forgetting is that streaming and torrented/DL'd content is become an acceptable means of viewing entertainment. atheist1295 makes a good point about filmophiles liking to collect movies. However, they are in the minority of movie consumers.

Hell, the stuff I shoot for work is shot in high-def and I just stream the edited media. My employers don't have Blu-Ray/HD-DVD players in their laptops, and if they can load a Quicktime or Windows Media into a PPT or web presentation, so much the better.
 
2008-03-10 09:53:27 AM  
IT'S OVER
 
2008-03-10 10:25:49 AM  
Fantastic. Why the hate? Competition only helps us the consumer. Why should $ony take it all?
 
2008-03-10 10:37:25 AM  
Availability != viability.

Fail, subby.
 
2008-03-10 10:39:42 AM  
TechieZero :
Fantastic. Why the hate? Competition only helps us the consumer. Why should $ony take it all?

"$ony" doesn't take it all.
 
2008-03-10 10:59:45 AM  
carbonxe: atheist1295: ChicagoJohn: JerseyTim: Fark Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and HD-whatever this is.

Gimme a full on-demand HD library now!

I'm with this. I don't want a BluRay player b/c I don't purchase movies. I watch them once and then I'm done. I also don't like having to go out and rent a movie only to return it later (or rent it online and wait for it to be mailed to me)

Just lemme stream the damn thing in HD. Comcast has a few HD On-Demand titles but they could use a lot more. They're $7 each but compared to the startup costs of BluRay and then a $4 rental fee, $7 for On-Demand is pretty reasonable. No new equipment to purchase, instantaneous viewing, and you never leave the couch.

Just asking here...what do you guys do with movies you buy? How often do you watch them?



Well, for all of us filmophiles, we like to collect movies. Having a physical copy of the movie is something special to us, regardless of how often we actually watch the movie. I have both formats, and I'm stocking up on HD DVDs now since they're so cheap. Betamax of the 21st century, wooooo!

People said the same thing about CD's. Look what iTunes did to those people. No one buys CD's anymore, it's a waste of time and money. Stores can't compete with the price of downloading things. Soon movies will be like this and BD will be put into the closet with the Beta-max and Mini-disc players.


I still buy CDs. Having a physical copy, free of DRM and with all the artwork and lyrics, etc, is totally worth and extra 2-5 dollars.
 
2008-03-10 11:01:11 AM  
I still buy CDs. Having a physical copy, free of DRM and with all the artwork and lyrics, etc, is totally worth an extra 2-5 dollars.

/Damn my proofreading.
 
2008-03-10 11:16:12 AM  
LondosHair: IT'S OVER


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Nothing's over, just give me something to drink!
 
2008-03-10 12:08:17 PM  
hitmanric: Blu-Ray is it, and prices are going top drop very fast now that they have the market cornered.

What kind of business theory is that? Seems backwards to whats happened with monopolies in general. No competition, hmm lets charge less since there is no other alternative for the consumer.


If they want to provide motivation for people to go from DVD to Blueray they'll have to do something. Just becuase you have the market cornered doesn't mean you have an automatic demand.
 
2008-03-10 12:45:15 PM  
LondosHair: IT'S OVER

DVD: 99% market share
BR: 1% market share

I'm sorry, you said something about over? What was that again?
 
2008-03-10 01:06:59 PM  
Kreigenstein: LondosHair: IT'S OVER

DVD: 99% market share
BR: 1% market share

I'm sorry, you said something about over? What was that again?


yeah when any NEW technology comes out, escpecially right after a format war it will be low. Check back a couple of years from now and see what your %'s look like then

when Dvds first came out:

VHS:99%
DVD:1%

OH NOES we shouldn't buy DVD!!! VHS will WIN!

when CDs first came out:

tapes: 99%
CDs: 1%

ZOMG we should invest more in tapes, there's no contest here!!!

technology is our friend

/resistance is futile
 
2008-03-10 01:15:32 PM  
I drunk what: Kreigenstein: LondosHair: IT'S OVER

DVD: 99% market share
BR: 1% market share

I'm sorry, you said something about over? What was that again?

yeah when any NEW technology comes out, escpecially right after a format war it will be low. Check back a couple of years from now and see what your %'s look like then


The point was the format was is not over just yet.

My subpoint is that the focus has been on BR vs HD-DVD and that was a Red Herring, the real issue that was almost universally missed is whether either one can replace DVD.

Remember LaserDiscs? They existed well before DVD but was not able to dethrone VHS. Methinks BR is going to play out like that.
 
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